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Cameron Freerunner
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2014.09.12 15:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:The coffin dust on this topic killed John Carter I thought the film killed John Carter. I thought 100 years of derivative science fiction killed John Carter. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6404
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Posted - 2014.09.12 15:17:00 -
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You guys know better and should have venue-shopped for a more agreeable GM.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
681
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Posted - 2014.09.12 15:35:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Instead of creating a thread where lots of goons come and say how terrible and cruel CCP are, demanding that they answer your questions when you know full well they never will and about unfair life is, why not just use the tactic yourself but really really really use it. After all CCP have made it quite clear now that this is not an exploit so get over it, get there and use and abuse it. I am pretty sure after a few more (lots and lots) of titans go pop when they are with theirs PoS they will listen. Of course the other option is that they also believe the mantra "Death to All Supers" so they couldn't care less , either way the best Titan is a dead Titan DEATH TO ALL SUPERS I feel certain they called this exploit long ago? |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4974
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Posted - 2014.09.12 15:38:00 -
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Cameron Freerunner wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:The coffin dust on this topic killed John Carter I thought the film killed John Carter. I thought 100 years of derivative science fiction killed John Carter.
You're all wrong of course. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2014.09.12 15:42:00 -
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flakeys wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:The coffin dust on this topic killed John Carter I thought the film killed John Carter. I rarely put on a movie and not watch it till the end no matter how bad it is , but john carter is an exception to the rule .
I think there is something wrong with me because I liked it |
Brother Mercury
Fire on the Mountain
10
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Posted - 2014.09.12 15:46:00 -
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I don't think it's absolutely necessary for CCP to come out with a definite statement, although it would be the most prudent thing to do.
However, what would be the worst possible course, is if CCP does nothing now, but then, later, after 20 dead titans (destroyed using the same "method"), CCP decides to ban players using the method on the 20th kill. That just shows CCP decided to avoid the problem--or deal with it just enough--until it was glaring them in the face, which is not a great way to deal with game issues. |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.12 15:51:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:flakeys wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:The coffin dust on this topic killed John Carter I thought the film killed John Carter. I rarely put on a movie and not watch it till the end no matter how bad it is , but john carter is an exception to the rule . I think there is something wrong with me because I liked it
My dad allways told me it is impossible to argue over personal taste ... so i won't .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Budan Kado
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.09.12 15:53:00 -
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Brother Mercury wrote:I don't think it's absolutely necessary for CCP to come out with a definite statement, although it would be the most prudent thing to do.
However, what would be the worst possible course, is if CCP does nothing now, but then, later, after 20 dead titans (destroyed using the same "method"), CCP decides to ban players using the method on the 20th kill. That just shows CCP decided to avoid the problem--or deal with it just enough--until it was glaring them in the face, which is not a great way to deal with game issues.
It wont be the first time CCP has looked the other way, then all of sudden changed their minds.
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flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2432
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Posted - 2014.09.12 15:53:00 -
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Brother Mercury wrote:I don't think it's absolutely necessary for CCP to come out with a definite statement, although it would be the most prudent thing to do.
However, what would be the worst possible course, is if CCP does nothing now, but then, later, after 20 dead titans (destroyed using the same "method"), CCP decides to ban players using the method on the 20th kill. That just shows CCP decided to avoid the problem--or deal with it just enough--until it was glaring them in the face, which is not a great way to deal with game issues.
Yet this is how it mostly goes , either it get's overused or overwhined before things get changed.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13169
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:13:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
I think there is something wrong with me because I liked it
If you have been forced to ever watch the second ghost rider then yes, it wasn't bad. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:25:00 -
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In before the rabid regular rabble start with the typical victim blaming and claiming you had the tools available to prevent this from happening. |
Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
198
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:27:00 -
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What's the gameplay reason on allowing a titan to be invulnerable inside a POS forcefield while bridging a fleet? Wouldn't it make sense to force that titan to leave the shields itself? |
Brother Mercury
Fire on the Mountain
10
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:42:00 -
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Gospadin wrote:What's the gameplay reason on allowing a titan to be invulnerable inside a POS forcefield while bridging a fleet? Wouldn't it make sense to force that titan to leave the shields itself?
That's an entirely different issue. |
Vyl Vit
754
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:46:00 -
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Since I view computer gaming as me vs. the guys who wrote the program (and not vs. you folks out there, sorry) if it happens, or can happen by hitting the keys, it's not an exploit. If the guys who wrote the program don't want it in the parameters of available action, then they'd write a tight enough program and it wouldn't be possible (whatever "it" may be.)
THEREFORE - ergo: Programmers calling something in a program they wrote an "exploit" is just blame shifting. You just plain can't tell keyboard key pushers they "aren't allowed" to press certain keys, 'cause you don't like the result. Puleeeze. But, of course, it's done all the time, and it's done so much "players" actually believe such a thing as an "exploit" exists.
Well, yeah it does, every key press possible in a game is an exploit. That's the intention. I'm going to press keys using my knowledge and instinct to move forward in the game YOU wrote - if you don't want me to do it, then write it into the code. Telling me to sit on my hands is NOT part of the game you and I are playing, mister and missus programmers.
You know who you are.
The real question then becomes, with bumping ships that are supposed be secure within a shield, not "Why is this exploit not punished?" That's STUPID. If exploits were punished, you'd hit START, and the screen would then read "GAME OVER." The question? Why did you write your code so loosely that we CAN circumvent an intended defense?. (The odd thing about all this, that strangely goes unmentioned is - why is a Titian inside a field being allowed to interact with ships OUTSIDE the field? THERE is where the "strangeness" is evident.)
While you're at this puzzling puzzle, (duh) what about being able to change the size and shape of a system using overlapping ship trajectories? That's even more interesting - making an L-shaped system....Once again, we could be looking at the sort of conflict of interest inherent with developers playing their games with the customers.
By the away, I resent anyone calling me a cheater if I can do something within a computer game by just pressing keys. If a "programmer" made that mistake ... in the proverbial bar, we'd be out in the proverbial parking lot "discussing" it. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
228
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:52:00 -
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CCP has declared it an exploit. It is an exploit.
Whether or not the rules are being enforced here and/or ships reimbursed is a different discussion. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
483
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Posted - 2014.09.12 16:57:00 -
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After thinking about it for all of 5 seconds, my best guess would be A: difficult to fix like every aspect of starbases; B: they can't exactly station a GM at every starbase, or to follow every titan around, to see who is doing it. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
736
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:10:00 -
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Until CCP addresses a glaring problem, Titan owners need to have a couple of GTFO cyno's fired up at all times they are active. CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
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Diivil
Magellanic Itg Goonswarm Federation
283
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:20:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Until CCP addresses a glaring problem, Titan owners need to have a couple of GTFO cyno's fired up at all times they are active.
Cyno won't help you if they are half way decent with bubbles and do the bump when you have a bridge up. |
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
351
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Posted - 2014.09.12 17:59:00 -
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The way things have happened with this, including forum activity, gives me the impression that CCP is simply apathetic to the whole situation, and wants it swept under the rug.
Profit favors the prepared |
Cherry Yeyo
92
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Posted - 2014.09.12 18:06:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:The way things have happened with this, including forum activity, gives me the impression that CCP is simply apathetic to the whole situation, and wants it swept under the rug.
The perpetrators of this recent wave of pos bumping are old timer veterans with Band of Brothers histories, these are the same guys who exploited the original pos bowling. I think internal affairs should look into this and the hand waving as well. CCP Rise>Sentry drones have enormous downsides |
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Prince Kobol
2166
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Posted - 2014.09.12 18:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
I think there is something wrong with me because I liked it
If you have been forced to ever watch the second ghost rider then yes, it wasn't bad.
Oh dear, I think I really need help |
Iain Cariaba
312
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Posted - 2014.09.12 19:34:00 -
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Never flown a Titan, and never will fly a Titan. I'm not so disappointed with the size of my **** that I need to compensate in other ways.
That being said, the solution to this is simple. Simply move the range at which a cyno appears at a POS shield out to 15km.
Whiney McTitanbear wrote:But it'll take longer to burn back into POS on the one time per year I actually use my epeen for anything other than a ship catapult. So what? The issue you're crying about has been dubbed an exploit by the Devs, so I don't see it becoming a common occurance without the ban hammer being dropped. Either way, it's your choice to fly one of the biggest isk sinks in the game. If you lose it, whether through combat, an exploit, or your own sheer stupidity, I've no sympathy at all for you.
Last POS bash I was in on, when I lived in null, was an uncontested small tower bash, so the Titan pilot that bridged us out felt it was safe to bring his Titan in to shoot the tower. He commented over comms that in over a year of owning that Titan, it was the first time he'd ever fired the guns on it. Yep, over a year without firing a single shot. This is how people use Titans.
I'm also disappointed that the theme of the thread seems to be more 'pay me back for my loss' and less 'fix the problem.' Super pilots seem to think rule #1 of EvE no longer applies to them. Remember the rule of 'don't fly what you can't afford to lose?' Just because your ship costs 100bil isk doesn't mean you get to ignore this rule. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Prince Kobol
2166
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Posted - 2014.09.12 19:37:00 -
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Once again as I really do not want this thread to disappear if the ship in question is 100% within the PoS shields and has been bumped out using the bounding sphere game mechanics that all ships in Eve use, to bump it out of the PoS shields then without any doubt this is an exploit.
What I would like to know and hopefully a member of the CSM can prod one of the Devs to answer this, Do the logs show if a ship is 100% within PoS shield at the point of impact and if so do the GM have access to those log and know what to look for?
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Prince Kobol
2166
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Posted - 2014.09.12 19:42:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote: I'm also disappointed that the theme of the thread seems to be more 'pay me back for my loss' and less 'fix the problem.' Super pilots seem to think rule #1 of EvE no longer applies to them. Remember the rule of 'don't fly what you can't afford to lose?' Just because your ship costs 100bil isk doesn't mean you get to ignore this rule.
Look, if anything I should be arguing for the other side here however those people who have lost Titans in this manner are first and foremost asking CCP for clarification and reimbursement a distance second.
Also the whole if you cant afford you shouldn't fly it, that is fair enough, however when you lose a ship due to a exploit, why shouldn't that person demand there ship back, whether it be a frigate or Titan, its more the principle then the actual losing of the ship. |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
942
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Posted - 2014.09.12 19:49:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:flakeys wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:The coffin dust on this topic killed John Carter I thought the film killed John Carter. I rarely put on a movie and not watch it till the end no matter how bad it is , but john carter is an exception to the rule . I think there is something wrong with me because I liked it
me too, I thought it was a good popcorn flick, and I actually bought it OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
737
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Posted - 2014.09.12 19:56:00 -
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ok CSM - speak up.
CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
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Iain Cariaba
312
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Posted - 2014.09.12 19:57:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote: I'm also disappointed that the theme of the thread seems to be more 'pay me back for my loss' and less 'fix the problem.' Super pilots seem to think rule #1 of EvE no longer applies to them. Remember the rule of 'don't fly what you can't afford to lose?' Just because your ship costs 100bil isk doesn't mean you get to ignore this rule.
Look, if anything I should be arguing for the other side here however those people who have lost Titans in this manner are first and foremost asking CCP for clarification and reimbursement a distance second. Also the whole if you cant afford you shouldn't fly it, that is fair enough, however when you lose a ship due to a exploit, why shouldn't that person demand there ship back, whether it be a frigate or Titan, its more the principle then the actual losing of the ship. Because my opinion is that reimbursement should never be done, whether it be a frigate or a Titan. You undock, you take your chances, period. The fact that supers can't dock does not change this.
As to the clarification, the only thing that needs to be said by CCP is the remedy to the issue and some temp bans to those using the exploit. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Prince Kobol
2166
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Posted - 2014.09.12 20:50:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote: Because my opinion is that reimbursement should never be done, whether it be a frigate or a Titan. You undock, you take your chances, period. The fact that supers can't dock does not change this.
As to the clarification, the only thing that needs to be said by CCP is the remedy to the issue and some temp bans to those using the exploit.
Think you missed the expliot bit... |
Prince Kobol
2166
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Posted - 2014.09.12 20:51:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:flakeys wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:The coffin dust on this topic killed John Carter I thought the film killed John Carter. I rarely put on a movie and not watch it till the end no matter how bad it is , but john carter is an exception to the rule . I think there is something wrong with me because I liked it me too, I thought it was a good popcorn flick, and I actually bought it
A man with good taste
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2182
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Posted - 2014.09.12 21:00:00 -
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Diivil wrote:Since CCP is so reluctant to answer if this is allowed or not I think it's safe to assume that if this thread gets locked or deleted they agree it's an exploit (because you are not allowed to post exploits on this forum). But if it stays open even without a CCP answer it's a legit tactic and we can all go bowling some titans together. Mmmmm, no. It doesn't work like that. If you think it's an exploit, send in a support ticket to the GM team asking for clarification. Just do not post about it on the forum as either A. It's deemed an exploit later on by CCP and you made it public (bad move!) or B. It's not deemed an exploit later on and you caused undue panic in the community, troll-fests and more work for the GM's and ISD (which is of course bad move number two.....).
In other words, by locking this thread I make no statement whatsoever on the validity of the claim that what you state is an exploit, or that it is not. The only statement I make by locking this thread is that the OP broke the forum rules.
Thread locked.
The Rules: 16. Posting about bugs and exploits is prohibited.
Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper channels. Bugs should be brought to the attention of CCP by filing a bug report for our Quality Assurance department. More information on filing bug reports can be found here. Discussions about unverified issues in game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue that the EVE Online community needs to be aware of, it will be communicated via an official statement from CCP after thorough investigation. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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