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Bazman Caldari The Establishment	Posted - 2006.08.03 00:09:00 - [31] don't give up testy, i'm a gallente whiner yet pro minmatar! 7 Mids for Maelstrom! Lets face it, Tux listened to my idea on the Gallente Teir 3 Battleship, he can't possibly turn around now and NOT listen to me! :P ----- Sig removed, maximum allowed image dimensions are 400x120 and maximum allowed size is 24,000 bytes. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -wystler Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.03 00:10:00 - [32] Originally by: Stamm Artillery does not equal sniper. You don't need tracking mods or sensor boosters to use it. In addition, you can put these mods on your low slots, less effective, but they use less cap and CPU. That's really all I have to add. ahahahaha, you never fired in your eve life arties, havent you? btw a named shield xl booster still uses 170 cpu, unless you wanna load your lows with cpu II's you not gonna fit 2. a mael with xl booster and 2 additional amps would rep an average 272 hp/s. You aint gonna hold off even 5 BS with that for any noticeable time. its way better to load up on resists and hp's Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Horza Otho Minmatar Silver Star Federation	Posted - 2006.08.03 00:11:00 - [33] Originally by: Randay Maybe its because your name is TESTY MCTEST. Why don't you spend some time MCTESTing the f'in ship before you start whining. go away troll, i bet u dont even fly a minmatar ship.
Horza Otho Minmatar Silver Star Federation	Posted - 2006.08.03 00:12:00 - [34] Originally by: Stamm Artillery does not equal sniper. You don't need tracking mods or sensor boosters to use it. In addition, you can put these mods on your low slots, less effective, but they use less cap and CPU. That's really all I have to add. dont add anything else, because u clearly have no clue about artilerry
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.08.03 00:14:00 - [35] i mostly agree with Testy Minnies have some very fluffy concepts... that doesn't work very well with their weapons too i can see the point to shield tank a proj ship (as proj have crap dps) and use lows for damage... but when you do that you have to give to the ship the bonuses and slots needed for the role it will cover... is not that "is minnie" so it have crap midslots and 7.5 shield boost bonus even if is obvious that in a fleet battle these things are not going to work... and as testy said to have 450sig instead of 500 or 115 speed instead of 110 is hardly any balance for these problems and will still not help the ship to fulfitt its fleet role.
Outa Rileau	Posted - 2006.08.03 00:14:00 - [36] Originally by: Horza Otho Originally by: Stamm Artillery does not equal sniper. You don't need tracking mods or sensor boosters to use it. In addition, you can put these mods on your low slots, less effective, but they use less cap and CPU. That's really all I have to add. dont add anything else, because u clearly have no clue about artilerry Shut up horza... your Alts tempest is wai too gewd ------------------------- Getting Sig Removed / Rank 8 / SP: 762039 of 2048000
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution	Posted - 2006.08.03 00:39:00 - [37] Frankly, I think the concerns over the maelstrom are valid. I've explained why in so many other threads that I can't be assed to post it all here, so it comes down to this: the maelstrom is the last hope for a Minmatar AC boat that can take on the blasterthron and the hyperion. The AC tempest already cannot maintain range thanks to Null, and the hyperion will make that situation even worse. Furthermore, the AC tempest's one respite is about to disappear: ECM is getting nerfed. Following the changes, I see the AC tempest losing to all of the Gallente BS. It will also lose to properly setup gank-tank ravens since its equalizer--the single multispec most AC tempest pilots run--will have been nerfed into uselessness. TBH, the only other battleships I see the AC tempest winning against are the Amarr ones. In all other situations it will be pretty much useless. Because of this, I'd hoped that the maelstrom would get the mids and the speed it needs to be an effective AC boat, but it sounds like Tux isn't interested in that role for it. This basically means that large autocannons might as well be removed from the game, since none of the ships that rely on them will be competitive. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Sovereign533 Caldari 133rd Ghost Wing	Posted - 2006.08.03 00:40:00 - [38] come on, read the dev blog. they are STILL WORKING on the Maelstrom and the Hyperion.. they already changed teh Hyperion's bonus.. and may i ask how you think you know what the ship would be like? the attributes on the test server are outdated.. the only place you'll see these ships in action is the CCP private test server.. they are fighting eachother in different scenario's to make sure these ships are as balanced as can be.. every race and ship has it good and bad points.. you don't HAVE to fly the tier3 battleships or the tier2 battlecruisers..
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.03 00:43:00 - [39] Originally by: Outa Rileau What is this with "OMG WE WANT 7 DMIS NWO NOW NOW!!11" sh*t? I've been tanking my raven with 6 midslots for a long long time... I even know people who shield tank tempests with no problems Thats because your raven is an afk pvp ship. Lock, press missiles, go get a beer, press shield booster, see the wife, come back and collect killmail. When using turrets you have to consider tracking and range something that med slots are very much needed for. so a raven has 5 slots to tank with. 1. no need for propulsion 2. no need for webber Raven 1x Xl booster 1x amp 2x invun II 1x cap booster 1x 20k scram Maelstorm (if it could be used close range) 1x Ab/mwd 1x webber 1x scram 1x cap booster o gee i have a 2 slot tank
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.08.03 00:45:00 - [40] Originally by: Sovereign533 come on, read the dev blog. they are STILL WORKING on the Maelstrom and the Hyperion.. i read the blog, for sure they are still working on them and it seem Tux is considering to replace the shield boost bonus... but also it seem that he is still focused about his idea of minnie ships are so and so shield tankers so "few" mid slots and low shield hps

Sovereign533 Caldari 133rd Ghost Wing	Posted - 2006.08.03 00:45:00 - [41] Originally by: Kaleeb Originally by: Outa Rileau What is this with "OMG WE WANT 7 DMIS NWO NOW NOW!!11" sh*t? I've been tanking my raven with 6 midslots for a long long time... I even know people who shield tank tempests with no problems Thats because your raven is an afk pvp ship. Lock, press missiles, go get a beer, press shield booster, see the wife, come back and collect killmail. When using turrets you have to consider tracking and range something that med slots are very much needed for. so a raven has 5 slots to tank with. 1. no need for propulsion 2. no need for webber Raven 1x Xl booster 1x amp 2x invun II 1x cap booster 1x 20k scram Maelstorm (if it could be used close range) 1x Ab/mwd 1x webber 1x scram 1x cap booster o gee i have a 2 slot tank they said that the maelstrom isn't designed to be a short range dmg dealer/tank/tackler.. it needs other ships to do this..
Nyxus GALAXIAN	Posted - 2006.08.03 00:58:00 - [42] The funny thing is, the Rokh is the one that doesn't need 7 mids. Because the resist bonus can take the place of a midslot resist module. And the Maelstrom, whose bonus requires a midslot (no passives for you!) only get's 6. I can understand that they want to limit the Mael's AC ability, but at the very least fleet battles take 2 sensor booster II's and a tracking computer. Most times 2 and 2. That doesn't leave much for the Mael, while the Rokh get's the better bonus (resist let's you live longer vs incoming fire) and an extra slot that it really doesn't need. It could tank fine with 2 slots. Invuln II, XL SB + bonus 4tw. Just seems like it's backwards to me. Like the Abaddon getting an extra low slot and a resist bonus. It's redundant. Nyxus Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.08.03 00:58:00 - [43] Edited by: Ath Amon on 03/08/2006 00:58:48 Originally by: Sovereign533 Originally by: Kaleeb Originally by: Outa Rileau What is this with "OMG WE WANT 7 DMIS NWO NOW NOW!!11" sh*t? I've been tanking my raven with 6 midslots for a long long time... I even know people who shield tank tempests with no problems Thats because your raven is an afk pvp ship. Lock, press missiles, go get a beer, press shield booster, see the wife, come back and collect killmail. When using turrets you have to consider tracking and range something that med slots are very much needed for. so a raven has 5 slots to tank with. 1. no need for propulsion 2. no need for webber Raven 1x Xl booster 1x amp 2x invun II 1x cap booster 1x 20k scram Maelstorm (if it could be used close range) 1x Ab/mwd 1x webber 1x scram 1x cap booster o gee i have a 2 slot tank they said that the maelstrom isn't designed to be a short range dmg dealer/tank/tackler.. it needs other ships to do this.. Mael (1) mid 3 sensors 3 tracking comps (remember that 1400mm have the worst tracking) low 3 gyro 0-1 grid? 2-3 plates/hards wait is a tempest! Mael 2 mid 3 sensors 2-3 hards/extenders 0-1 tracking low 3 gyro 0-1 grid? 2-3 traks 2-3 shield tank woot! rokh mid 2-3 sensors (caldari have "long" range sensors while minnie "short" range) 4-5 hards/extenders low 4 field stabs 1 grid/cpu they seem equal?
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution	Posted - 2006.08.03 00:58:00 - [44] Originally by: Sovereign533 they said that the maelstrom isn't designed to be a short range dmg dealer/tank/tackler.. it needs other ships to do this.. If not then they need to do something to the tempest to make it effective vs. the blasterthron and hyperion. The only time an AC tempest can out-range a blaster boat is when the tempest it outside of scramble range, thanks to Null L. Moreover, even if Null didn't exist, the AC tempest couldn't maintain range on the hyperion, again resulting in death. Bottom line: the balance is broken. The battleship AC boat vs. battleship blasterboat issue needs a balance pass. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
babylonstew Caldari Caldari Scouting and Intel Group	Posted - 2006.08.03 01:43:00 - [45] one thing you have all missed it seams regaurding the rokh, every one got thier wish, a caldari ship that needs cap to shoot and tank, how many have actually taken this into concideration with all the ranting?, 8 425 II with am or whatever are goign to eat cap at a scary rate. back on topic, i personally would have prefered the meal to be an ac boat, speed and tracking bonus maybe?, low(ish) mass thenkeep the temp as the fleet sniper which it isnt too bad at most will agree, then min would have the phoon, kinda multi role ship, pest fleet arty ship, and the meal, mins close range, fastish, close range ac boat. id actually fly one then Forum advice Linkage
Sovereign533 Caldari 133rd Ghost Wing	Posted - 2006.08.03 01:54:00 - [46] Originally by: babylonstew one thing you have all missed it seams regaurding the rokh, every one got thier wish, a caldari ship that needs cap to shoot and tank, how many have actually taken this into concideration with all the ranting?, 8 425 II with am or whatever are goign to eat cap at a scary rate. back on topic, i personally would have prefered the meal to be an ac boat, speed and tracking bonus maybe?, low(ish) mass thenkeep the temp as the fleet sniper which it isnt too bad at most will agree, then min would have the phoon, kinda multi role ship, pest fleet arty ship, and the meal, mins close range, fastish, close range ac boat. id actually fly one then agree in all, exept the "fly one" part
Karath Anno	Posted - 2006.08.03 03:46:00 - [47] Maybe IÆve just not played this game long enough to become massively jaded but when I read the latest dev blog I came away with the impression that they realize the Maelstrom may need to have its bonuses reworked to fit the intended role. After all it did end by saying that the MoaÆs shield bonus was changed because it faced basically the same problem...
Arian Snow Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.03 03:54:00 - [48] Edited by: Arian Snow on 03/08/2006 03:55:17 Quote: a caldari ship that needs cap to shoot and tank, how many have actually taken this into concideration with all the ranting?, 8 425 II with am or whatever are goign to eat cap at a scary rate Not really an issue since the Rokh can fit a passive tank, its bonus is fine for it! The maelstroms current one isn't! though I am sure It will change. My problem with the Maelstrom is that I cannot see why the minmatar would need another Arty sniper. The Tempest is very good at it. Why pay more for a Maelstrom when the Tempest can do the same job just as well at a lower cost? In fact I cannot really see any situation where I would choose a Maelstrom over a Tempest! I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
Rigsta Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.08.03 03:55:00 - [49] Originally by: Testy Mctest Evidently nothing we propose or say on this forum gets listened to. To be honest it's the wrong forum. That aside, the split slots do work... if there is a bonus to both of them... or if the ship is designed to focus on something other than its weapons. So most of the split slot ships don't really work well since they don't meet those criteria :/ Nice and versatile though. ----------------------------------------------- CRY HAVOC! And let slip the combat drones! To meander aimlessly towards your target... Perhaps stopping for a picnic along the way... And then turn
Dethis Caldari Eve University The Big Blue	Posted - 2006.08.03 03:57:00 - [50] Edited by: Dethis on 03/08/2006 03:58:23 Originally by: Karath Anno Maybe IÆve just not played this game long enough to become massively jaded but when I read the latest dev blog I came away with the impression that they realize the Maelstrom may need to have its bonuses reworked to fit the intended role. After all it did end by saying that the MoaÆs shield bonus was changed because it faced basically the same problem... Some people have selective reading they seem to choose to ignore the fact its not finalized Honestly everyone complaining is jumping the gun until they have a concrete idea of what it will be just chill out ps rabble rabble rabble -------- Kill em all and let god sort em out

Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.08.03 06:12:00 - [51] Originally by: Dethis Some people have selective reading they seem to choose to ignore the fact its not finalized Honestly everyone complaining is jumping the gun until they have a concrete idea of what it will be just chill out ps rabble rabble rabble i agree many people have selective reading, not just for dev blogs, but even for posts i think minmatar pilots are worried for the first part of the post about the mael Originally by: dev blog Maelstrom med slots, the argument I've seen so far is that it needs at least 3 slots for speed mod, webbie and a scrambler, anything less than 4 slots is too little to tank with. I recognize that logic but we intend the Maelstrom to be a shield tanking artillery boat, relying on other ships to tackle for you. from these lines it seem that Tux is still sticking with a 6 med slot config and have no intention to put to 7... also some post above, just to quote myself ... Originally by: Ath Amon Originally by: Sovereign533 come on, read the dev blog. they are STILL WORKING on the Maelstrom and the Hyperion.. i read the blog, for sure they are still working on them and it seem Tux is considering to replace the shield boost bonus... but also it seem that he is still focused about his idea of minnie ships are so and so shield tankers so "few" mid slots and low shield hps
Montero Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.03 06:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Testy Mctest This game's never going to be balanced until the devs admit that split slot layouts suck, and that going 5 m/s faster than other ships doesn't make up for having a small cap and low base hp. qft --------- Scrapheap Challenge
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest	Posted - 2006.08.03 06:56:00 - [53] Originally by: Stamm Artillery does not equal sniper. You don't need tracking mods or sensor boosters to use it. In addition, you can put these mods on your low slots, less effective, but they use less cap and CPU. That's really all I have to add. You are right behind Dixon for idiot of the year award. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
fmercury Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.03 07:01:00 - [54] Originally by: Stamm Artillery does not equal sniper. You don't need tracking mods or sensor boosters to use it. In addition, you can put these mods on your low slots, less effective, but they use less cap and CPU. That's really all I have to add. Do you have any idea how bad artillery tracking is?
Kyguard LFC 3rd Front Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.03 07:23:00 - [55] Minmatar.. welcome to the world of amarr aka the abbadon and the apoc. They can tank, but they sure as hell can't do any recordable damage === God is on the side with the best arti
KilROCK Minmatar Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.03 08:13:00 - [56] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Stamm Artillery does not equal sniper. You don't need tracking mods or sensor boosters to use it. In addition, you can put these mods on your low slots, less effective, but they use less cap and CPU. That's really all I have to add. You are right behind Dixon for idiot of the year award. My thought exactly.. SMACKING IN A TOPIC NEAR YOU / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.03 08:25:00 - [57] Who cares about tier 3 bs? I certainly don't. Want an ultimate closerange meanie? Fly blasterdomi. Want damage... thron has enough. Agility, speed... yeah phoon rocks, right? I find it funny when they make gallente ships with no drone bays while they happily give drones to other races. I completely agree with testy here, mostly they just pimp up caldari race to shut up whinners... but we shall soon see caldarists whining about crappy rails, not able to hit frigs at 2km etc(and whining like i cannot use t2 rails...). That's the biggest expectation for me, from whole tier 3 bs joke. --------- Torture by ccp: pic
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.03 08:29:00 - [58] Originally by: fmercury Originally by: Stamm Artillery does not equal sniper. You don't need tracking mods or sensor boosters to use it. In addition, you can put these mods on your low slots, less effective, but they use less cap and CPU. That's really all I have to add. Do you have any idea how bad artillery tracking is? No he flies amarr... race where long range guns track better than other race long range guns after ship tracking bonus and few tracking comps. --------- Torture by ccp: pic
Twilight Moon Minmatar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.03 08:37:00 - [59] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Dixon I thought you had given up... ** off, you little ***. Learn to play the game and stop pretending you understand a single thing about, well, anything. Fancy getting a fleet of ECM abusing Tempests / Phoons together and goning about on a massive gank fest against anyone in sight, show people what an unhappy Minmatar playerbase means? ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
Serj Darek Minmatar Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2006.08.03 08:39:00 - [60] Originally by: Outa Rileau What is this with "OMG WE WANT 7 DMIS NWO NOW NOW!!11" sht? I've been tanking my raven with 6 midslots for a long long time... I even know people who shield tank tempests with no problems This is just pure flamebait. Originally by:* Tuxford I love how you guys can take stats from a test server that is few months out of date and then panic over them.



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