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Soyemia
Minmatar Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: GM Ender Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08 Ok...
WeÆve finished the investigation. There was indeed a guilty party. It was a brand new GM who obviously didnÆt understand the rules as they were thorougly explained to him, who took it upon himself to cheat in such an outrageous manner.
This is in fact the first time in three and a half years that a GM has been found cheating in such a way. I wanted to get that out of the way before any conspiracy nuts pop up. But oh boy, was it a doozy.
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job, as we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesnÆt belong to you in your account, you canÆt expect to be allowed to keep it.
He will get control of his account back as soon as weÆre satisfied that we have retrieved all the stuff.
Lead GM Ender
How could he knew that taht guy was GM? I can greate a char with GM in front of name.
Proud member of fix. Hated on finnish channel. |
Tachy
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:16:00 -
[152]
GMs talk to you in red speach. --*=*=*--
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Dugan Lee
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:23:00 -
[153]
They should be talking about this on The View this morning.
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Matori Kar
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:24:00 -
[154]
Originally by: GM Ender Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job.... We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
Can you confirm that this 'errant' GM has had his player accounts banned aswell?
And, erm, do GMs get FREE player accounts??? :D and was that a job opening I see there? :p
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Joey1
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:26:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Soyemia
Originally by: GM Ender Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08 Ok...
WeÆve finished the investigation. There was indeed a guilty party. It was a brand new GM who obviously didnÆt understand the rules as they were thorougly explained to him, who took it upon himself to cheat in such an outrageous manner.
This is in fact the first time in three and a half years that a GM has been found cheating in such a way. I wanted to get that out of the way before any conspiracy nuts pop up. But oh boy, was it a doozy.
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job, as we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesnÆt belong to you in your account, you canÆt expect to be allowed to keep it.
He will get control of his account back as soon as weÆre satisfied that we have retrieved all the stuff.
Lead GM Ender
How could he knew that taht guy was GM? I can greate a char with GM in front of name.
No ya cant :) Before you make assumptions please do check them :) you seem to have made a ass of your self today ay?
Anywho, in any situation were you ask members of the public to become a "Admin" you are bound to get jerks whome abuse it but what can you do but perma ban them ;)
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Jenny Firespit
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:26:00 -
[156]
Anyone remember in the past when complexes were kinda new? Selenne or someone from the MC said they killed a scorpion in outer ring fitted with 3x gist x-type xl shield boosters and other x-type mods, this was before anyone was even running the complexes, sound a bit fishy?
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Eefrit
VakAtioth
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:29:00 -
[157]
GM Ender, the feedback is apreciated. Nothing worse than being kept in the dark.
/Eefrit
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Pepperami
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:31:00 -
[158]
Interesting, I presume all the GM's player accounts were banned too?
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StiZum Hilidii
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:32:00 -
[159]
Originally by: GM Ender Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08 Ok...
WeÆve finished the investigation. There was indeed a guilty party. It was a brand new GM who obviously didnÆt understand the rules as they were thorougly explained to him, who took it upon himself to cheat in such an outrageous manner.
This is in fact the first time in three and a half years that a GM has been found cheating in such a way. I wanted to get that out of the way before any conspiracy nuts pop up. But oh boy, was it a doozy.
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job, as we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesnÆt belong to you in your account, you canÆt expect to be allowed to keep it.
He will get control of his account back as soon as weÆre satisfied that we have retrieved all the stuff.
Lead GM Ender
any one tells me they are a gm in local and want their loot back you know what i would do FREE PERSON OF EARTH AGAINST EVE IN COMMUNIST CHINA
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Altai Saker
Omniscient Order Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:34:00 -
[160]
Ditto on what stan said, also wowza at this whole thing.
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w0rmy
Intensive CareBearz
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:34:00 -
[161]
Originally by: GM Ender
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesnÆt belong to you in your account, you canÆt expect to be allowed to keep it.
No, but they also dont prevent you accessing your account in the meantime either.
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Dark Shikari
What single item is larger than a jetcan?
My ego?
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:35:00 -
[162]
Good to hear swift action was taken. Only proper course action. Props for reinforcing your policies like that. Well done.
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Testicular Testes
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:36:00 -
[163]
Thumbs up for handling this. But how in the world did a person stupid enough to both cheat, die with that ship and get caught manage to become a GM? You do interview these people, right?
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News
Minmatar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:38:00 -
[164]
Well done on getting to the bottom of this and taking appropriate action.
One question though, would you have noticed something like this if no thread about the incident was made?
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:39:00 -
[165]
Originally by: GM Ender Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08 Ok...
We’ve finished the investigation. There was indeed a guilty party. It was a brand new GM who obviously didn’t understand the rules as they were thorougly explained to him, who took it upon himself to cheat in such an outrageous manner.
This is in fact the first time in three and a half years that a GM has been found cheating in such a way. I wanted to get that out of the way before any conspiracy nuts pop up. But oh boy, was it a doozy.
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job, as we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesn’t belong to you in your account, you can’t expect to be allowed to keep it.
He will get control of his account back as soon as we’re satisfied that we have retrieved all the stuff.
Lead GM Ender
Can I have his job?™
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Melkor Bloodaxe
Minmatar LEGI0N
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:39:00 -
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I know I am not allowed to ask about it, since it's 'discussing' moderator actions, but since this whole case stinks already I will do it even though it's not allowed.
What about the people who are warned/banned because of this whole stinky thread? Are they gonna be unwarned/unbanned, or is this just gonna be a "this is the forum, forum rules applie no matter what, so the warnings/bans are legit"?
Just curious ____ "Since when is justified killing more fun than random killing?" -HippoKing-
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Novarei
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:41:00 -
[167]
Nice to see this got sorted, pretty quickly too :)
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Taketa De
Gallente Seneca Federation
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:50:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Melkor Bloodaxe I know I am not allowed to ask about it, since it's 'discussing' moderator actions, but since this whole case stinks already I will do it even though it's not allowed.
What about the people who are warned/banned because of this whole stinky thread? Are they gonna be unwarned/unbanned, or is this just gonna be a "this is the forum, forum rules applie no matter what, so the warnings/bans are legit"?
Just curious
Somehow I doubt they work by the "rule" that 2 wrongs make a right.... --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel. |
w0rmy
Intensive CareBearz
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:50:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Testicular Testes Thumbs up for handling this. But how in the world did a person stupid enough to both cheat, die with that ship and get caught manage to become a GM? You do interview these people, right?
My question would be...
As dumb as this GM apparently was, how come it took the public to bring it to the attention, before the GM was caught?
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Dark Shikari
What single item is larger than a jetcan?
My ego?
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Taketa De
Gallente Seneca Federation
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:54:00 -
[170]
Originally by: w0rmy My question would be...
As dumb as this GM apparently was, how come it took the public to bring it to the attention, before the GM was caught?
Originally by: GM Ender We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
While the sweeps are regular, I would be very suprised if they were instantanious and happening 24hrs a day. It's probably a manual review thing that takes people time.
(Tho an automatic "red falg" expert system could probably be made more easily that has another GM look over certain actions right away) --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel. |
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Ombey
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:56:00 -
[171]
, just
To be honest, I just scanned this thread, same old, same old, right? Wrong. GM Ender's post has floored me.
How can someone who has (had) *such* a cool job, risk it for something so trivial as cheating in a game? If his arse isn't sore from kicking himself, I'd be amazed.
Good job to the other GMs for finding it so fast. --
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:56:00 -
[172]
Rules don't work on the basis of 2 wrongs make a right.
Originally by: Dugan Lee Serious question:
I'm assuming that all of his backlogged actions are going to be combed over, but my question is: If he wouldn't have been stomped by some do-gooders, would it have been inevitable that he would have been caught for this specific cheat?
It would be nice to know that log reviews and GM training is done in a way so that they would understand getting caught would be inevitable if they cheated (and it should be).
Maybe it is... and this guy was just a ginormous idiot.
He would have been caught by the log checking they normally do in all likelyhood so guess he would have been caught eventually. Damage wasn't too big this way though.
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Brackun
Caldari Lords of Ruin Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:58:00 -
[173]
I'm curious as to how to such an idiot gets to be an Eve Online GM in the first place. ------------------------------------------- Just a humble mission runner, that likes to kill people... |
Dugan Lee
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ombey , just
To be honest, I just scanned this thread, same old, same old, right? Wrong. GM Ender's post has floored me.
How can someone who has (had) *such* a cool job, risk it for something so trivial as cheating in a game? If his arse isn't sore from kicking himself, I'd be amazed.
Good job to the other GMs for finding it so fast.
We'll - I doubt that GM job pays super great... and we've already established it was something like $3200 worth of items. That may explain part of the motives.
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Druid R
Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:03:00 -
[175]
worth a sticky for a week to show what has happened and how it has been swifty dealt with (sacking) and a token post from the guy who got banned once they let him back.
Grats on the kill guys, i'd be hesitant to give all that loot back as well, oh well, go write an eve chronicle about the kill or soething :)
Dru.
Welcome to the hijacked sig club. YARRR!!!11!one -Kaemonn I wanters, aren't getters. ohh. Oops. -Capsicum |
Ombey
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dugan Lee
We'll - I doubt that GM job pays super great... and we've already established it was something like $3200 worth of items. That may explain part of the motives.
Fair comment, but still- it is a cool job to lose. If you're going to be a thief, don't be greedy. And wait till you've been around for more than 5 minutes! --
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Tequilapepper
Amarr Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Tequilapepper on 04/08/2006 12:09:59
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Testicular Testes Thumbs up for handling this. But how in the world did a person stupid enough to both cheat, die with that ship and get caught manage to become a GM? You do interview these people, right?
My question would be...
As dumb as this GM apparently was, how come it took the public to bring it to the attention, before the GM was caught?
How it took the public attention? We looked at our killboard (FIX) and seen a 20 days old noob with estimated 40 bills worth of fitting on a scorpion with skills enough to use them all... you know that makes you suspect some... Anyway we are glad GM solved the situation in a fast and definitive manner. As at least with bugs, lag peaks (like last night) and stuff like that, we love to think that at least cheating is not possible.
Respectfully
Tequilapepper
FIX Military Director
Fight for Love... or for the love for Fight! |
Dugan Lee
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:15:00 -
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Do you really thing it's a cool job? I've worked CS answering emails and it sucks. Now - I'd rather do it for a game then for a service industry... but on the other hand, think of how many flat out retarded and waste of time petitions you deal with a day.
GM's, please chime in if I'm completely off base about the job responsibilities, but I would say that the job is copy/pasting 80% of the petitions, dealing with minor problems 18% of the petitions, and dealing with complex (possibly interesting) petitions about 2%.
I doubt the job is anything to write home about. I'd rather be a player, or a guide, before being a GM in any game.
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GM Ender
Amarr Game Masters
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:18:00 -
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For those who were asking if the guy would have been caught if there hadn't been such a public occurrance...yes, absolutely.
It would have taken a little bit longer, granted, since it *is* a manual process to go through all these logs and actions, but he would have been caught regardless.
Oh, and being an EVE GM is pretty much the best job there is :)
To answer the other question, on whether we don't interview people before hiring. Of course we do. However, inevitably you'll get a rotten apple sooner or later. We have had three and a half years of straight-arrow GM's, so I think that our track record is pretty darn good so far.
That being said, it is unfathomable to me that anyone would risk it and his reputation for something like this.
Lead GM Ender
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
No, but they also dont prevent you accessing your account in the meantime either.
It depends on your bank tbh. If you got overpaid by say 15,000ú (and you went straight out and ****ed it away) they would lock your account as it's probably going to be overdrawn once they remove the 15,000ú :)
Plus if a bank thinks your guilty of something like, dunno, being a drug dealer or something of the ilk then they can freeze ur account only stating "our internal fraud department has asked us to freeze the account for a week"..
Anyhow, I dont see why an account has to be bann'd, S***ely a GM can claw back the stuff directly :/. I have heard of a few of things being taken back before and never heard of a ban ;P..
Oh well ---- WTB Aurora S bpo - Evemail me in game.. Scammed by "Not Superman" AKA "Nyphur" Then go visit the link |
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