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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 17:58:00 -
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http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=90772
SOMETHING FISHY IS GOING ON HERE CCP!?
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Khal
Fallschirmjager
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Posted - 2006.08.03 17:59:00 -
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Lawl, nice kill but it'll be edited as flamebait
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Khal Lawl, nice kill but it'll be edited as flamebait
I'm not too concerned about the kill, my concern is that:
a) the character is a month old, yet flying around with that kit? OK, let's assume his main is very, VERY rich. and b) is it even possible to train up the skills necessary to FIT and USE all of that stuff in a month? I've looked at evemon and I don't think it is.
So, wtf is going on here?
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:01:00 -
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Alt's FTW? ___________
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Caerleus
Board of Twenty
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:02:00 -
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I don't know if I should laugh or cry..
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Virida
Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:04:00 -
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Maybe its a alt of a main with much ISK who want to have fun?
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Stanis
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:05:00 -
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Tsanus Ilacante
GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Virida Maybe its a alt of a main with much ISK who want to have fun?
His point is that as far as he (or I) is aware, there is no skill training path which will allow you to fly that ship with appropriate equipment at that character's age?
If you could point it out / provide a skill training path I'd appreciate it.
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Mitten
Caldari Mission Whores
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Khal Lawl, nice kill but it'll be edited as flamebait
I'm not too concerned about the kill, my concern is that:
a) the character is a month old, yet flying around with that kit? OK, let's assume his main is very, VERY rich. and b) is it even possible to train up the skills necessary to FIT and USE all of that stuff in a month? I've looked at evemon and I don't think it is.
So, wtf is going on here?
Its possible that the modules were offline and he indeed did not have the skill to fit them. He may have been traded it through a station or jumped into it while in space. Highly unlikely, but possible.
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Gila Munja
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:07:00 -
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Dunno man, isn't it possible (think I read it in the blurb when I started the game) that someone else can fit a ship and hand it over to you?
Even if you could technically fly it in the most basic sense of "undock and move around", you aren't going to be able to use it in any way properly until around 8 mills skills + (that's my ballpark for a BS)
Even the richest man in the game must be crying about losing all that stuff! Those are some serious mods.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:09:00 -
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Maybe he won the monthly drawing of the buddy program last time.
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Sarmaul
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01 Maybe he won the monthly drawing of the buddy program last time.
My thoughts exactly
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Buxaroo
Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:14:00 -
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I think this guy probably found the scorp in a SS somewhere or possibly was just transporting it for someone and went to the wrong system (appearently ). His mods were probably offline. Probably an alt that someone uses to ferry around ships or whatnot and this guy just got VERY careless it looks like.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo I think this guy probably found the scorp in a SS somewhere or possibly was just transporting it for someone and went to the wrong system (appearently ). His mods were probably offline. Probably an alt that someone uses to ferry around ships or whatnot and this guy just got VERY careless it looks like.
He was killed jumping IN to 0.0. :/
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Lizaa
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:17:00 -
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There is absolutely no way to do it. he has ok charisma base on that char. so even if he took frig 4 route... he couldnt possibly have the skills for a siege launcher in time aswell as the jamming and cap and ship skills required. and yes afaik those were fitted due to them being listed in the drone bay when he was killed.
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Aeaea
XanoTech
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:20:00 -
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Maybe just a FiX guy playing a joke on you?
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 03/08/2006 18:24:40 Very interesting indeed...
Something smells fishy.
Or like crap, either way...
Can you even exit a station with a MOD offline that you don't have the skills to use?
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Blind Man
Caldari Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:21:00 -
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if you dont have the skills to fit the mod it will not go onto your ship, even offline
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Buxaroo
Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Buxaroo I think this guy probably found the scorp in a SS somewhere or possibly was just transporting it for someone and went to the wrong system (appearently ). His mods were probably offline. Probably an alt that someone uses to ferry around ships or whatnot and this guy just got VERY careless it looks like.
He was killed jumping IN to 0.0. :/
Hehe, darwin is very harsh it seems. One scenario is that someone left that scorp in a SS, or even worse at a moon, and someone happened upon it, probably didn't have the skills to fly that race of BS and then either had his alt, who just happened to have caldari cruiser 4 (lol) and didn't want to share the find with anyone else. I have seen ships at places far more stupid that people have ejected from in high sec space (some very unused areas so they thought that no one would use a scanner or something) and this guy just hit the jackpot and trained one of his alts to fly the caldari BS.
As for jumping into 0.0, who knows. It's a pretty dumb thing to do knowing that hostiles would be around and you are in a non-friendly or neutral corp.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:24:00 -
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You'll prolly find it was a reporter or something. We killed one before up north that was flying around like a newb in a decent ship.
No real clue though and it does look strange.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Mitten
Caldari Mission Whores
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man if you dont have the skills to fit the mod it will not go onto your ship, even offline
But if they are already fitted on the ship by someone else, you can jump in it. Or if you find one in space and jump in it, if there are modules which you dont have the skills for, they deactivate. I've done it before.
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:27:00 -
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Obviously a fake.
Look at *where* those mods are, it's hard to believe he could fit draclira's mods in the drone bay.
that Hazad guy screwed up when faking it :P
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:29:00 -
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There's no fathomable reason for a reporter-volunteer to be flying a scorp fitted with the best available mods. Volunteers dont get to spawn mods like that, nor do they get to be in players corps anyway.
Looks fishy, I don't buy the "happen to have an alt thatcould fly it when i found it in a safespot" - thing. Noone leaves that in a safespot, ever, ever.
That's aside from the fact that I doubt anyone would be able to use it at that age anyway, or that someone would transport it without a plethora of scouts if he had just found it. Let alone jump it into a 0.0 chokepoint ...
Final and only possibility I can think of: newb that somehow trained the skills (cba checking if its even possible), and bought himself 50 billion isk with timecards.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha Obviously a fake.
Look at *where* those mods are, it's hard to believe he could fit draclira's mods in the drone bay.
that Hazad guy screwed up when faking it :P
It's a killboard.net bug, check the other killmails on the board.
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HappyKitten
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:31:00 -
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Buddy raffle?
Those are the all best mods possible...
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha Obviously a fake.
Look at *where* those mods are, it's hard to believe he could fit draclira's mods in the drone bay.
that Hazad guy screwed up when faking it :P
Yeah, as Rod says that is a bug with displaying the killmail, here is the raw data:
2006.08.03 13:29
Victim: skyephet Alliance: None Corp: BrownSoft Destroyed: Scorpion System: A2-V27 Security: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Hazad Barud (laid the final blow) Security: 1.5 Alliance: Firmus Ixion Corp: Hunters Agency Ship: Raven Weapon: Mjolnir Torpedo
Name: Funki Security: 4.7 Alliance: Band of Brothers Corp: Reikoku Ship: Sacrilege Weapon: Hornet II
Name: EnEs TaLuNdZiC Security: 0.1 Alliance: None Corp: Legio Ancientis Ship: Maller Weapon: Maller
Name: Empero Security: 1.1 Alliance: None Corp: Legio Ancientis Ship: Prophecy Weapon: Hobgoblin I
Name: miloxus Security: 4.8 Alliance: Firmus Ixion Corp: Ostara Corp Ship: Taranis Weapon: Taranis
Name: Sigel Mantua Security: -3.4 Alliance: Firmus Ixion Corp: Xoth Inc Ship: Arbitrator Weapon: Hammerhead I
Name: Tate Aoko Security: 5.0 Alliance: Firmus Ixion Corp: Dark Centuri Inc. Ship: Blackbird Weapon: Havoc Heavy Missile
Destroyed items:
Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System Draclira's Modified Cap Recharger Mjolnir Torpedo, Qty: 944 (Cargo) Valkyrie I (Drone Bay) Bane Torpedo, Qty: 1045 (Cargo) Estamel's Modified ECM Multispectral Jammer Estamel's Modified ECM Multispectral Jammer Estamel's Modified Siege Missile Launcher Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System Estamel's Modified Large Shield Booster Draclira's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb Draclira's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb Draclira's Modified Cap Recharger Draclira's Modified Cap Recharger Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System Medium Armor Repairer I (Cargo) Heavy Afocal Pulse Maser I (Cargo) Mjolnir Torpedo, Qty: 23 Mjolnir Torpedo, Qty: 23
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 03/08/2006 18:38:07
Originally by: Rod Blaine There's no fathomable reason for a reporter-volunteer to be flying a scorp fitted with the best available mods. Volunteers dont get to spawn mods like that, nor do they get to be in players corps anyway.
Looks fishy, I don't buy the "happen to have an alt thatcould fly it when i found it in a safespot" - thing. Noone leaves that in a safespot, ever, ever.
That's aside from the fact that I doubt anyone would be able to use it at that age anyway, or that someone would transport it without a plethora of scouts if he had just found it. Let alone jump it into a 0.0 chokepoint ...
Final and only possibility I can think of: newb that somehow trained the skills (cba checking if its even possible), and bought himself 50 billion isk with timecards.
I was thinking the same thing...
That's like $3200.00 USD worth of GTC's for that rig?
Insane...
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal That's like $3200.00 USD worth of GTC's for that rig?
Insane...
Well, if that's indeed the case, I'm sure we have just made another fanboy friend :p
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:52:00 -
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Maybe it was some dude's disgruntled wife, who secretly bought her own account, joined the corp, and stole his "precious"
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Blind Man
Caldari Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cherio Could be you just caught a corp thief in the act.
Some one training an alt to have just the Caldari bs skill, so he could steal it from a corp hangar?
where do i sign up for that corp
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Cosmo Raata
Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:53:00 -
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CCP dropping off mods to BoB?
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmo Raata CCP dropping off mods to BoB?
Yes, thanks CCP.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Simon Illian
Caldari Section XIII
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:58:00 -
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did he says something in local, did he act well, fireing ¦ other stuff ... or just act has a newb ?
really strange ... it's not a fake mail ?
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:00:00 -
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A shame so much got destroyed, though, otherwise there would have been a lot of happy campers (literary).
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Mitten
Caldari Mission Whores
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:02:00 -
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Another fact that I forgot.
From what I have seen, if a module is offline it is never destroyed. I have never had an offlined module destroyed.
Everytime I am about to die, I offline all I can before I die and every single time, what I offline stays alive.
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:04:00 -
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Mods, please be kind towards this thread, it is something that does need to be looked at.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:15:00 -
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OK CCP, so what exactly the hell are you playing at here?
Apparently this ship and character was in fact spawned by people with the rights to do so, he then got killed like a nub and is now BANNING the pilots involved????
DOUBLE YOU TEE EFF???
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Mitten
Caldari Mission Whores
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic OK CCP, so what exactly the hell are you playing at here?
Apparently this ship and character was in fact spawned by people with the rights to do so, he then got killed like a nub and is now BANNING the pilots involved????
DOUBLE YOU TEE EFF???
Maybe they are trying to kill the rumors that BoB are Dev alts?
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Microsoft Sam
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:18:00 -
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hahahah ccp are trying to cover it up
this is not the ship you are looking for *waves hand*
tbh though they screwed up, so banning players for their error isnt good mmmmkay.
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Coupo
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:19:00 -
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but we are dev alts - I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
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Haks'he Lirky
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 03/08/2006 19:22:05
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Ribbo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:20:00 -
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wrongy mc wrong wrong imo, im going to write to my local mp over this matter... GOOO DIANABOLIC!
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Gradinger
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:24:00 -
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banning ppl involved? for what reason?
nonetheless exciting story.. whos the author?
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Luc Boye
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:24:00 -
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Hehe, I haven't seen so much drama since Ywev podded a GM -------------------------- MWD Cap Penalty? |
Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic OK CCP, so what exactly the hell are you playing at here?
Apparently this ship and character was in fact spawned by people with the rights to do so, he then got killed like a nub and is now BANNING the pilots involved????
DOUBLE YOU TEE EFF???
What are you talking about? Some post that's missing? -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | Visual Building Guide (Both work in game too!) |
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Suvetar
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:26:00 -
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Folks, Please don't start posting rumours or heresay, the truth will out - as they say.
If people were banned for something, then it's up to those people to protest their case with the GMs, it's not a topic for public discussion.
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Sin Angel
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:26:00 -
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Mistake made...people banned.... sounds about right
Hope they all get unbanned without trouble.
-Sin
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Sarmaul
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:26:00 -
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Just been told that the FIX guy on the mail has been banned as the scorp was a GM alt and the FIX guy refused to give back the loot.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:27:00 -
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No doubt it'll get sorted once a senior gm wakes up.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul Just been told that the FIX guy on the mail has been banned as the scorp was a GM alt and the FIX guy refused to give back the loot.
He actually didn't refuse to give back the loot, he said "ok, if you can tell me what the loot is I'll give it back".
The [gm] couldn't.
SOUNDS LIKE TOUGH BANANAS TO ME YES?
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Bhaal
Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:28:00 -
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Who wants popcorn? ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
My Hero
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Sarmaul
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Sarmaul Just been told that the FIX guy on the mail has been banned as the scorp was a GM alt and the FIX guy refused to give back the loot.
He actually didn't refuse to give back the loot, he said "ok, if you can tell me what the loot is I'll give it back".
The [gm] couldn't.
SOUNDS LIKE TOUGH BANANAS TO ME YES?
I was close.
I suppose the next question is, why is a GM entering a 0.0 chokepoint in a nubchar flying a faction fitted scorp, and why wasn't the fix guy allowed to keep the loot?
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Ribbo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Sarmaul Just been told that the FIX guy on the mail has been banned as the scorp was a GM alt and the FIX guy refused to give back the loot.
He actually didn't refuse to give back the loot, he said "ok, if you can tell me what the loot is I'll give it back".
The [gm] couldn't.
SOUNDS LIKE TOUGH BANANAS TO ME YES?
im not one to cause trouble but i think theres a corrupt gm imo.
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ZaKma
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:30:00 -
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The GM is at fault here. He jumped into 0.0. Didn't he read the popup??
And please, banning people for this? What are you thinking CCP.
Don't be swearin' please. -Suvetar
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DigitalCommunist
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:32:00 -
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This really sounds like something a GM is not supposed to do - spawn stuff for his alts and go screw around in 0.0 disguised as a regular player. Banning people for simply playing the game normally exemplifies it. Araknon should spank him.
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Suvetar
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:32:00 -
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Folks, until you know the facts - don't start accusing CCP or anyone of foulplay, it's deemed as trolling.
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:33:00 -
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Since you're not allowed to link to killboards here, I think it may be in public interest to know the kill ID number on the bob killboard is 90772.
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Buxaroo
Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:33:00 -
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Wow, this has turned into a very weird thread with all the ban rumors floating around.
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo Wow, this has turned into a very weird thread with all the ban rumors floating around.
Rumours?
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Sarmaul
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Originally by: Buxaroo Wow, this has turned into a very weird thread with all the ban rumors floating around.
Rumours?
Exactly - I have corpies who were in HA who have confirmed it.
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Ribbo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo Wow, this has turned into a very weird thread with all the ban rumors floating around.
oh shush, i hear bhaal's offering out popcorn, put your 3d goggles on and enjoy the fun
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine Final and only possibility I can think of: newb that somehow trained the skills (cba checking if its even possible), and bought himself 50 billion isk with timecards.
I'm praying to God allmighty that this quote is true.
I want to see a thread so.damn.badly that goes something like:
OMG I ******* SPEND OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS ON GTRCS AND SOLD THEM FOR ISK AND SOME ******* BLEW ME UP REFUND OR I SUE YOU CCP!!!1!one!!elvendy
I'd be a happy
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Aero089
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:36:00 -
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It was my corpmate. Yes, the kill was real. Yes, the dropped stuff is real. No, I have no diea of what is going on but considering the age of the victim in this case I can fully understand that CCP wants to look into it.
Hazad is banned right now, probably temporarily while CCP checks it out. Do as the moderators say please and stay calm.
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Serkis
Caldari The Funkalistic SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:36:00 -
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If it really was GM that spawned this ship and modules, then why didn¦t he simply transport the character to destination instead of jumping into a gatecamp?
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo Wow, this has turned into a very weird thread with all the ban rumors floating around.
It isn't a rumour, accounts have been banned.
Mods, this isn't heresay, this is fact, but I understand you don't want it blown up (too) much, so I'll not pursue that particular avenue of investigation.
However, I do ask that you leave this thread here for it deals with something that really does damage the very core of this game we play :(
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Luc Boye
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:37:00 -
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1.) we all know BoB are all Devs and GMs. 2.) give me ze loot and I'll admit I'm the GM that screwed up -------------------------- MWD Cap Penalty? |
Brother Bender
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:39:00 -
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Why exactly, if this person *is* a GM would he not spawn himself in Jove space and **** around with his uber mods?
While the loot should not have been conjured by the GM Grimmlin, it was. The player should not be banned for 1) keeping the loot or 2) defending his home space.
Well played Mr GM.
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Brisi
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:39:00 -
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/me gets coke and popcorn.
I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
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MasterDk78
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:39:00 -
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Nice kill...
I hope not it was ccp who entered 0.0 and got ganked and is crying to get his items back lol. if they cant handle tha game, go to test-server lol
for what i understand, it took them 6-8 min to kill this guy
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:40:00 -
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All the silliness about such a char using such an expensive ship aside, yes, you can use those mods with a character that is only a month old. Remember that those are modules with T1 skill requirements. There's nothing that would require intensive skill training except for a bit to get BS skill and torp skill. Easily done within a month. The skill requirements to fit all that stuff are quite small. Of course to use it effectively is another thing.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:41:00 -
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The GM team are looking into the situation and will act appropriately. One poster asked that the mods stay out of the thread, if players follow the forum rules, there will be no need for the moderators to take action.
As for actions taken against any players involved, CCP will not discuss these actions with uninvolved parties. However, any bans levied at this time may be reversed, pending the results of an investigation and recovery of illegal items if there are any.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online |
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tehyarec All the silliness about such a char using such an expensive ship aside, yes, you can use those mods with a character that is only a month old. Remember that those are modules with T1 skill requirements. There's nothing that would require intensive skill training except for a bit to get BS skill and torp skill. Easily done within a month. The skill requirements to fit all that stuff are quite small. Of course to use it effectively is another thing.
try fitting all that with electronics 4 and engineering 4 I'm going to hazard a guess that this char had mroe skills then can be trained in a month. But that doesn't neccesarily mean something stinky in itself.
Just wait till there's real info.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:43:00 -
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I smell foulplay.
Looks like the cavalry arrived in the form of Keiron though.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Alaris
Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Alaris on 03/08/2006 19:44:49 How quickly we forget the corp/alliance naming issue that popped up awhile back. The cat is already out of the bag, a public explanation is required if there was some funny stuff happening. If not, well sucks to be that guy.
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Blind Man
Caldari Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:46:00 -
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I can feel the suspense in here
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Matori Kar
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:47:00 -
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And how many previous times has this ?GM? spawned the same set up and delivered to his alts/friends etc
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Aero089
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:49:00 -
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We're on TS now watching this thread, good fun :)
We're currently talking about getting Hunters Agency recruitment messages in here, hmmm.
Join us! Kill devs! Check us out!
That aside we're waiting in suspense whilst undergoing a CCP sponsored pedicure.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Matori Kar And how many previous times has this ?GM? spawned the same set up and delivered to his alts/friends etc
I'd say none.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tehyarec All the silliness about such a char using such an expensive ship aside, yes, you can use those mods with a character that is only a month old. Remember that those are modules with T1 skill requirements. There's nothing that would require intensive skill training except for a bit to get BS skill and torp skill. Easily done within a month. The skill requirements to fit all that stuff are quite small. Of course to use it effectively is another thing.
Feel free to show me how long it takes to get the skills to fit that eq, as well as how well you get it all to fit. I have a hard time fitting a BS with GOOD fitting skills. No fitting skills? Yeah right.
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Matori Kar
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Posted - 2006.08.03 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Matori Kar And how many previous times has this ?GM? spawned the same set up and delivered to his alts/friends etc
I'd say none.
And how would you know?
/reads alliance name (makes note of rumours)/gets coat and leaves
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Illiya
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:02:00 -
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I seriously wish I understood why we're not allowed to discuss GM decisions here. Hypothetical situation, if a ruling goes against me, and I feel it's unjust, why is it wrong to bring the issue before the community at large.
While CCP may be the overlords of the land, shouldn't we, the players, be allowed to at least form some sort of consensus as to whether something is just or not? As long as the OP is smack free, what exactly is the issue? Or are we supposed to assume that the GMs and the petition process is absolutely infallible at all times? It's not like there has never been a case where multiple GM decisions have directly contradicted one another.
Anyways, getting off my little soap box. I hope this gets straightened out, and if there is foul play a foot, I hope CCP at the very least reimburses any player ships lost while destroying this Scorp. Sig removed - Filesize too large exceeding 24000 maximum bytes - Uly |
Aero089
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:02:00 -
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I personally support Hazad on this one, when I first read the logs I would have doubted the GM's identity as well.
Hazad did the right thing by not trusting the GM in question, there was no immediate way of identifying the person in question.
Either way, the investigation is currently being executed and we're just waiting for the verdict. We're not worried about anything at this point, we're just enjoying tea and cookies on our TS having a laugh over this.
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JA RULER
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:03:00 -
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sorry not 20 minutes but 3 hours was the time from kill to gm chat
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ParMizaN
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:03:00 -
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Well this is interesting..
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Sarmaul
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:03:00 -
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Linkage
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HappyKitten
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:04:00 -
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I am watching this thread with interest.
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Cutie Chaser
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Haks'he Lirky No you cannot get banned for killing somone and taking there loot.
This situation is different.
I realize it is not a standard thing, but I'd really like someone to explain the nuances of this to me. IE in what situtation is a GM allowed to take stuff from me, assuming that I aquired it fairly?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: JA RULER Edited by: JA RULER on 03/08/2006 19:58:36 The banned person in question is my corp mate.
The kill is real. on a gate in A2. in flys a scorp, they pop it after 5 min of trying to break his tank. all the mods was fitted. and worth 40 bil.
20 min after A gm convo the pilot who had Final blow. he said the loot was an exploit and was to be removed. pilot was unhappy but said ok u can remove them. Although he had not him self the loot as it was given to someone else to keep safe. he had only 1 loot from kill on him in his cargo at this point.
GM said he can not find the loot and needs to get it to remove it. pilot says u should already know where it is if u are a GM and he himself is a programmer.
the chat goes back and forth about logs and etc and pilot suspects somthing funny. after this the GM just bans him and does not say why.
thats thats. all of FIX was about to send a pettition as well as BOB but had been told not to so that the SEnior GM can sort out.
The pilot has done nothing wrong and played the game fair. somebody lost there loot and is upset and wham permabanned!!!!!
what the hell is going on CCP!
hope this is sorted out soon as all this is not doing the image of CCP any good!
What happens if this perosn had killed the whole gang? what then? do they get there stuff back?
thanks
So the GM asks for the mods back, they say ok, then give the GM a hard time via a game of 'ok use your tools and guess who has what' and rather than just saying "Ok playerX has these mods, I have this one, playerY has those ones".
Giving a GM a hard time ftl.
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Aero089
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:06:00 -
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Questioning a person's identity ftw!
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/08/2006 20:08:00 Not sure why they posted this killmail in the first place....wouldnt it be smarter to keep it quiet?
Edit: And hello kieron. You post too rarely these days...
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Alois Zimmer
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Giving a GM a hard time ftl.
Wouldn't the GM know what dropped, after all, how else can they replace your ships and fittings when they get blown up and petitioned?
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cutie Chaser Ok, I feel I need to ask this question, for it may effect my own gameplay.
If I am every in a situation where I kill a player and take his loot, is a GM allowed to show up and demand that I hand it over, provided that it was a fair kill? If so, could I be banned for refusing?
If the modules/ships/in-game items were attained illegally or made it into the game by a mistake, the GMs would remove those items. If the items were legal and legit, a GM would not interfere in your gameplay.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online |
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Cutie Chaser
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Originally by: Cutie Chaser Ok, I feel I need to ask this question, for it may effect my own gameplay.
If I am every in a situation where I kill a player and take his loot, is a GM allowed to show up and demand that I hand it over, provided that it was a fair kill? If so, could I be banned for refusing?
If the modules/ships/in-game items were attained illegally or made it into the game by a mistake, the GMs would remove those items. If the items were legal and legit, a GM would not interfere in your gameplay.
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Haks'he Lirky
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cutie Chaser
Originally by: Haks'he Lirky No you cannot get banned for killing somone and taking there loot.
This situation is different.
I realize it is not a standard thing, but I'd really like someone to explain the nuances of this to me. IE in what situtation is a GM allowed to take stuff from me, assuming that I aquired it fairly?
Well the complete facts of this situation are not clear, only speculation at this point.
Although since playing this game from beta, I have killed hundreads of people and a GM has never interfered. A GM would only get involved if there was a exploit etc involved.
In this case though it seems to be a problem from CCP's side rather then the players. Im sure it will be sorted.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Not sure why they posted this killmail in the first place....wouldnt it be smarter to keep it quiet?
That would imply that we have something to hide, which we don't.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Not sure why they posted this killmail in the first place....wouldnt it be smarter to keep it quiet?
That would imply that we have something to hide, which we don't.
No, but you would have been able to keep the items... :)
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Alois Zimmer
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Originally by: Cutie Chaser Ok, I feel I need to ask this question, for it may effect my own gameplay.
If I am every in a situation where I kill a player and take his loot, is a GM allowed to show up and demand that I hand it over, provided that it was a fair kill? If so, could I be banned for refusing?
If the modules/ships/in-game items were attained illegally or made it into the game by a mistake, the GMs would remove those items. If the items were legal and legit, a GM would not interfere in your gameplay.
So if that person had made any kills, would they (the people killed by the illegal ship/pilot) also get their ships back? It's all very confusing.
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Manus Ghostface
Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Aero089 I personally support Hazad on this one, when I first read the logs I would have doubted the GM's identity as well.
Hazad did the right thing by not trusting the GM in question, there was no immediate way of identifying the person in question.
Either way, the investigation is currently being executed and we're just waiting for the verdict. We're not worried about anything at this point, we're just enjoying tea and cookies on our TS having a laugh over this.
Good luck to your pilot, and hopefully when all is said and done he ends up with some fine loot and a hell of a good new sig. :)
That city is well fortified which has a wall of men instead of brick. - Lycurgus |
DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:10:00 -
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If there was nothing done wrong, by the killers, then the kill and the loss of the ship and gears whould stand.
Whom ever got the loot gets what they so deserved, the pilot that lost the uber gear, should be told they are SOL and the kill was within the games rules.
This goes back to one of the golden rules of not flying what you can not fly well.
If there was something "wrong" with the circumstance, let the GM squad sort it, and everyone informed of the consequence of doing "wrong" things in the game.
(I do not see any reason the team that got the kill and loot should be punished or deprived of the loot they WON fairly)
I still don't believe for one second that a month old noob character had the proper skills to fly that ship at all (I could be wrong, but can not get the numbers to add up)
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Blind Man
Caldari Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Not sure why they posted this killmail in the first place....wouldnt it be smarter to keep it quiet?
That would imply that we have something to hide, which we don't.
No, but you would have been able to keep the items... :)
teh *** if they take them away tho
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Pirlouit
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:16:00 -
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Thread cleaned and post from JA RULER deleted - please do not discuss game moderation in the forum even if he is your corpmate. thx Pirlouit.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aero089 Questioning a person's identity ftw!
I've found that the colored text and/or their corp tend to give away their identity.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alois Zimmer
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Giving a GM a hard time ftl.
Wouldn't the GM know what dropped, after all, how else can they replace your ships and fittings when they get blown up and petitioned?
They only replace mods on your killmail. If you don't loot what dropped you're SOL.
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Empero
Amarr Legio Ancientis
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Simon Illian did he says something in local, did he act well, fireing ¦ other stuff ... or just act has a newb ?
really strange ... it's not a fake mail ?
No, he said nothing. and i think he didnt shoot also. Would say: yes, he act like a nub.
Anyway.
Fact is: We killed him.
Fact is: He came into 0.0 without a scout, and he jumped through a gate which is known as a heavy camped gate.
It was a "legal" 0.0 kill and i see absoluty no reason why now a gang mate (Hazad) who was involved in the fight is banned, and why we lost the loot..
So, please.. where is the Problem?
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Not sure why they posted this killmail in the first place....wouldnt it be smarter to keep it quiet?
That would imply that we have something to hide, which we don't.
No, but you would have been able to keep the items... :)
No you wouldn't. Things could actually turn out alot worse if you don't ask.
And besides that, you'd want the possible splioit removed asap no matter if it costs you the loot or not.
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Haulin'Hauling
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:18:00 -
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Here is what i get from EvEMon if i try on myself with starting skills (might have to add space ship command III in it). Swaping Galente for Caldari shouldn't change the total training time if you start as Caldari.
I don't think i missed anything, but if i did there are still a ton of spare time left.
Skill Plan for Haulin'Hauling
1: Instant Recall I (33 minutes, 20 seconds) 2: Analytical Mind I (29 minutes, 24 seconds) 3: Spatial Awareness I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 4: Iron Will I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 5: Spatial Awareness II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 6: Iron Will II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 7: Spatial Awareness III (12 hours, 11 minutes, 40 seconds) 8: Electronics I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 9: Gallente Cruiser I (58 minutes, 8 seconds) 10: Gallente Cruiser II (4 hours, 30 minutes, 47 seconds) 11: Gallente Cruiser III (1 day, 1 hour, 31 minutes, 32 seconds) 12: Gallente Cruiser IV (6 days, 23 minutes, 57 seconds) 13: Science I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 14: Science II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 15: Engineering I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 16: Engineering II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 17: Energy Grid Upgrades I (55 minutes, 33 seconds) 18: Energy Grid Upgrades II (4 hours, 18 minutes, 46 seconds) 19: Energy Pulse Weapons I (55 minutes, 33 seconds) 20: Shield Operation I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 21: Shield Operation II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 22: Missile Launcher Operation I (11 minutes, 37 seconds) 23: Electronic Warfare I (55 minutes, 33 seconds) 24: Spaceship Command IV (1 day, 4 hours, 52 minutes, 47 seconds) 25: Gallente Battleship I (1 hour, 33 minutes, 1 second) 26: Missile Launcher Operation II (54 minutes, 11 seconds) 27: Missile Launcher Operation III (5 hours, 6 minutes, 16 seconds) 28: Standard Missiles I (23 minutes, 15 seconds) 29: Standard Missiles II (1 hour, 48 minutes, 19 seconds) 30: Standard Missiles III (10 hours, 12 minutes, 36 seconds) 31: Heavy Missiles I (34 minutes, 53 seconds) 32: Heavy Missiles II (2 hours, 42 minutes, 27 seconds) 33: Heavy Missiles III (15 hours, 18 minutes, 55 seconds) 34: Missile Launcher Operation IV (1 day, 4 hours, 52 minutes, 47 seconds) 35: Torpedoes I (46 minutes, 30 seconds)
35 skills; Total time: 12 days, 18 hours, 35 minutes, 50 seconds
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Haulin'Hauling Here is what i get from EvEMon if i try on myself with starting skills (might have to add space ship command III in it). Swaping Galente for Caldari shouldn't change the total training time if you start as Caldari.
I don't think i missed anything, but if i did there are still a ton of spare time left.
Skill Plan for Haulin'Hauling
1: Instant Recall I (33 minutes, 20 seconds) 2: Analytical Mind I (29 minutes, 24 seconds) 3: Spatial Awareness I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 4: Iron Will I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 5: Spatial Awareness II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 6: Iron Will II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 7: Spatial Awareness III (12 hours, 11 minutes, 40 seconds) 8: Electronics I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 9: Gallente Cruiser I (58 minutes, 8 seconds) 10: Gallente Cruiser II (4 hours, 30 minutes, 47 seconds) 11: Gallente Cruiser III (1 day, 1 hour, 31 minutes, 32 seconds) 12: Gallente Cruiser IV (6 days, 23 minutes, 57 seconds) 13: Science I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 14: Science II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 15: Engineering I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 16: Engineering II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 17: Energy Grid Upgrades I (55 minutes, 33 seconds) 18: Energy Grid Upgrades II (4 hours, 18 minutes, 46 seconds) 19: Energy Pulse Weapons I (55 minutes, 33 seconds) 20: Shield Operation I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 21: Shield Operation II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 22: Missile Launcher Operation I (11 minutes, 37 seconds) 23: Electronic Warfare I (55 minutes, 33 seconds) 24: Spaceship Command IV (1 day, 4 hours, 52 minutes, 47 seconds) 25: Gallente Battleship I (1 hour, 33 minutes, 1 second) 26: Missile Launcher Operation II (54 minutes, 11 seconds) 27: Missile Launcher Operation III (5 hours, 6 minutes, 16 seconds) 28: Standard Missiles I (23 minutes, 15 seconds) 29: Standard Missiles II (1 hour, 48 minutes, 19 seconds) 30: Standard Missiles III (10 hours, 12 minutes, 36 seconds) 31: Heavy Missiles I (34 minutes, 53 seconds) 32: Heavy Missiles II (2 hours, 42 minutes, 27 seconds) 33: Heavy Missiles III (15 hours, 18 minutes, 55 seconds) 34: Missile Launcher Operation IV (1 day, 4 hours, 52 minutes, 47 seconds) 35: Torpedoes I (46 minutes, 30 seconds)
35 skills; Total time: 12 days, 18 hours, 35 minutes, 50 seconds
Add spaceship command 3, and electronics 5 and engineering 5 to that. Also add weapons upgrades 4 or something. I'd guess you need all that to fit a full officer setup wouldn't you ?
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Manus Ghostface
Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
No you wouldn't. Things could actually turn out alot worse if you don't ask.
And besides that, you'd want the possible splioit removed asap no matter if it costs you the loot or not.
Agreed, I think that was Diana was more worried about was some hacker or other person having a exploit that would allow accelerated training or spoofing to allow use of modules without training. It then snowballed into a gm involvement issue. I can definately understand his concern, because if it had been a exploit, imagine the nastiness combined with trial accounts and isk farmers.
That city is well fortified which has a wall of men instead of brick. - Lycurgus |
Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Not sure why they posted this killmail in the first place....wouldnt it be smarter to keep it quiet?
That would imply that we have something to hide, which we don't.
No, but you would have been able to keep the items... :)
No you wouldn't. Things could actually turn out alot worse if you don't ask.
And besides that, you'd want the possible splioit removed asap no matter if it costs you the loot or not.
Ah, its an exploit? I just figured it was some drunk GM spawning items. Of course if its more serious, I very much agree with you.
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Haulin'Hauling
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Haulin'Hauling Here is what i get from EvEMon if i try on myself with starting skills (might have to add space ship command III in it). Swaping Galente for Caldari shouldn't change the total training time if you start as Caldari.
I don't think i missed anything, but if i did there are still a ton of spare time left.
Skill Plan for Haulin'Hauling
1: Instant Recall I (33 minutes, 20 seconds) 2: Analytical Mind I (29 minutes, 24 seconds) 3: Spatial Awareness I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 4: Iron Will I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 5: Spatial Awareness II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 6: Iron Will II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 7: Spatial Awareness III (12 hours, 11 minutes, 40 seconds) 8: Electronics I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 9: Gallente Cruiser I (58 minutes, 8 seconds) 10: Gallente Cruiser II (4 hours, 30 minutes, 47 seconds) 11: Gallente Cruiser III (1 day, 1 hour, 31 minutes, 32 seconds) 12: Gallente Cruiser IV (6 days, 23 minutes, 57 seconds) 13: Science I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 14: Science II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 15: Engineering I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 16: Engineering II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 17: Energy Grid Upgrades I (55 minutes, 33 seconds) 18: Energy Grid Upgrades II (4 hours, 18 minutes, 46 seconds) 19: Energy Pulse Weapons I (55 minutes, 33 seconds) 20: Shield Operation I (27 minutes, 46 seconds) 21: Shield Operation II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 22: Missile Launcher Operation I (11 minutes, 37 seconds) 23: Electronic Warfare I (55 minutes, 33 seconds) 24: Spaceship Command IV (1 day, 4 hours, 52 minutes, 47 seconds) 25: Gallente Battleship I (1 hour, 33 minutes, 1 second) 26: Missile Launcher Operation II (54 minutes, 11 seconds) 27: Missile Launcher Operation III (5 hours, 6 minutes, 16 seconds) 28: Standard Missiles I (23 minutes, 15 seconds) 29: Standard Missiles II (1 hour, 48 minutes, 19 seconds) 30: Standard Missiles III (10 hours, 12 minutes, 36 seconds) 31: Heavy Missiles I (34 minutes, 53 seconds) 32: Heavy Missiles II (2 hours, 42 minutes, 27 seconds) 33: Heavy Missiles III (15 hours, 18 minutes, 55 seconds) 34: Missile Launcher Operation IV (1 day, 4 hours, 52 minutes, 47 seconds) 35: Torpedoes I (46 minutes, 30 seconds)
35 skills; Total time: 12 days, 18 hours, 35 minutes, 50 seconds
Add spaceship command 3, and electronics 5 and engineering 5 to that. Also add weapons upgrades 4 or something. I'd guess you need all that to fit a full officer setup wouldn't you ?
Nope, officer mods are t1 mods with very low skill requirement. The Officer pdu gives a huge boost to PG and even with lame skills he still has tons cpu and pg to spare.
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zoturi
Karjala Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:28:00 -
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that scorp dropped a 50% invu vield, which is like 5b worth :)
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JA RULER
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:29:00 -
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Can i please ask why my post was deleted? it was factual? and wil stop ppl adding to it and speculating and make sure ppl will understand the facts?
Are we not allowed on a public forum to post factual events?
thanks
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Jbel Moussa
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:30:00 -
[113]
If this is true and it's looking like it is. I QUIT.
Can you say "welcome to wallmart" I used to work at this defunct computer game maker named CCP that went belly up."
Either CCP gets their head out of their *** or they will all be too familiar with the "you want fries with that."
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Haulin'Hauling Nope, officer mods are t1 mods with very low skill requirement. The Officer pdu gives a huge boost to PG and even with lame skills he still has tons cpu and pg to spare.
You did test a full fit with 6 estamel launchers and 2 something else's ? And assuming full lows as well (cpu hogging bcu's maybe ?).
I cba checking it but i'd have thought it wouldn't fit.
Still if ti does that doesn't change that much. Noone fits that stuff on such a char anyway, ever, ever, remember ?
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:31:00 -
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Hazad has our (FIX's) support in this. The log was posted on FIX forums, and won't be posted here; there was a distinct lack of clarity, a failure to point out consequences, and no warning of banning or even that there was such a possibility.... most people in his situation would have ended up banned as well.
The poor guy gets the biggest kill of his career, and then a GM delivered *****-slap.
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Haulin'Hauling
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:32:00 -
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Same as above + Spaceship Command III, Energy 4, Engineering 4 and Weapon upg 4.
Skill Plan for Haulin'Hauling
1: Instant Recall I (33 minutes, 20 seconds) 2: Analytical Mind I (29 minutes, 24 seconds) 3: Instant Recall II (2 hours, 9 minutes, 26 seconds) 4: Analytical Mind II (1 hour, 56 minutes, 30 seconds) 5: Instant Recall III (10 hours, 27 minutes, 8 seconds) 6: Analytical Mind III (9 hours, 32 minutes, 36 seconds) 7: Spatial Awareness I (20 minutes, 50 seconds) 8: Iron Will I (20 minutes, 50 seconds) 9: Spatial Awareness II (1 hour, 37 minutes, 5 seconds) 10: Iron Will II (1 hour, 37 minutes, 5 seconds) 11: Spatial Awareness III (9 hours, 8 minutes, 45 seconds) 12: Spaceship Command III (5 hours, 6 minutes, 16 seconds) 13: Spaceship Command IV (1 day, 4 hours, 52 minutes, 47 seconds) 14: Gallente Cruiser I (58 minutes, 8 seconds) 15: Gallente Cruiser II (4 hours, 30 minutes, 47 seconds) 16: Gallente Cruiser III (1 day, 1 hour, 31 minutes, 32 seconds) 17: Gallente Cruiser IV (6 days, 23 minutes, 57 seconds) 18: Gallente Battleship I (1 hour, 33 minutes, 1 second) 19: Missile Launcher Operation I (11 minutes, 37 seconds) 20: Missile Launcher Operation II (54 minutes, 11 seconds) 21: Missile Launcher Operation III (5 hours, 6 minutes, 16 seconds) 22: Standard Missiles I (23 minutes, 15 seconds) 23: Standard Missiles II (1 hour, 48 minutes, 19 seconds) 24: Standard Missiles III (10 hours, 12 minutes, 36 seconds) 25: Heavy Missiles I (34 minutes, 53 seconds) 26: Heavy Missiles II (2 hours, 42 minutes, 27 seconds) 27: Heavy Missiles III (15 hours, 18 minutes, 55 seconds) 28: Missile Launcher Operation IV (1 day, 4 hours, 52 minutes, 47 seconds) 29: Torpedoes I (46 minutes, 30 seconds) 30: Electronics I (20 minutes, 50 seconds) 31: Electronics II (1 hour, 37 minutes, 5 seconds) 32: Electronics III (9 hours, 8 minutes, 45 seconds) 33: Electronics IV (2 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes, 35 seconds) 34: Electronic Warfare I (41 minutes, 40 seconds) 35: Engineering I (20 minutes, 50 seconds) 36: Engineering II (1 hour, 37 minutes, 5 seconds) 37: Engineering III (9 hours, 8 minutes, 45 seconds) 38: Engineering IV (2 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes, 35 seconds) 39: Weapon Upgrades I (25 minutes) 40: Weapon Upgrades II (1 hour, 56 minutes, 27 seconds) 41: Weapon Upgrades III (10 hours, 58 minutes, 33 seconds) 42: Weapon Upgrades IV (2 days, 14 hours, 5 minutes, 30 seconds) 43: Science I (20 minutes, 50 seconds) 44: Science II (1 hour, 37 minutes, 5 seconds) 45: Energy Pulse Weapons I (41 minutes, 40 seconds) 46: Shield Operation I (20 minutes, 50 seconds) 47: Shield Operation II (1 hour, 37 minutes, 5 seconds)
47 skills; Total time: 21 days, 18 hours, 28 minutes, 33 seconds
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Saerid
Amarr FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:32:00 -
[117]
Good idea to come public with it. Smells rotten to high heaven tbh. Unless there's some very good explanation for it it does seem like a GM goofed up big time and tried to cover it up afterwards. In this particular case the mods hellbent on deleting all the references to data aren't helping any.
Let's hope Kieron comes up with an explanation fast.
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JA RULER
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:32:00 -
[118]
I can conform it was a PERMABAN and not a temporary one. as per the evidence i have seen
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Eefrit
VakAtioth
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:35:00 -
[119]
I'm not making any accusations here, but if you look at the possibilities:
If a GM was abusing his position to pass loot onto a mate, then doing it via getting blown up and having the mate loot the ship is a good way to do it.
That said CCP banning the account initially is likely to give them time to investigate the situation. No other accounts were banned, so there must be something that seems strange to the GMs that this one has been.
It is not in CCPs best interest to ban players for nothing, so I doubt that would happen. However I do think having GM decisions open to the general community would ease a lot of the criticism that the GMs get.
/Eefrit
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Carpet3
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:37:00 -
[120]
*clears throat*
OMG CCP haxs!
And lol at JA Ruler
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ratking
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:37:00 -
[121]
Calm down people - the autocannons and lasers killing the Scorp has hardly cooled down yet as the incident is only a few hours old.
That said, with the insame amounts of real-life $ the nber modules in Eve can generate on Ebay and other trading forums, I really hope that CCP is monitoring the amount of spawned articles on a daily basis, much like an stock exchange would do to avoin insider tradings.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:37:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Kylania
Originally by: Empero It was a "legal" 0.0 kill and i see absoluty no reason why now a gang mate (Hazad) who was involved in the fight is banned, and why we lost the loot..
So, please.. where is the Problem?
Hazad was probably temporarily banned in order to "freeze the evidence" as it were, making sure the modules didn't get moved to other players and therefore harder to track down in the future. Kinda like Customs ships webbing you and then promptly blowing your ass to pieces for your own protection while taking drugs from you.
You left out part of your sentance, I fixed it for you.
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Freddy Jason
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:38:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Freddy Jason on 03/08/2006 20:41:21
Originally by: Kylania
Originally by: Empero It was a "legal" 0.0 kill and i see absoluty no reason why now a gang mate (Hazad) who was involved in the fight is banned, and why we lost the loot..
So, please.. where is the Problem?
Hazad was probably temporarily banned in order to "freeze the evidence" as it were, making sure the modules didn't get moved to other players and therefore harder to track down in the future. Kinda like Customs ships webbing you for your own protection while taking drugs from you.
Give CCP time to figure out what happened and fix it before yelling at them for a temp ban or something.
why was the original post from my friend empero removed? he just explained the situation as he was part of the gang who killed the guy...
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:38:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Haulin'Hauling Nope, officer mods are t1 mods with very low skill requirement. The Officer pdu gives a huge boost to PG and even with lame skills he still has tons cpu and pg to spare.
You did test a full fit with 6 estamel launchers and 2 something else's ? And assuming full lows as well (cpu hogging bcu's maybe ?).
WTB Scorpion with 6 launcher points. Mine only has 4.
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Havelcek
Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:38:00 -
[125]
Originally by: kieron If the modules/ships/in-game items were attained illegally or made it into the game by a mistake, the GMs would remove those items. If the items were legal and legit, a GM would not interfere in your gameplay.
Kieron,
There's a big flaw in your logic, which is that in the case the GM IS interfering with gameplay by using his out-of-game tools to add in-game items for whatever reason. So while its noble and all to want to investigate the situation, doing it by banning the player until you figure out WTF your staff is doing is really really disturbing.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:39:00 -
[126]
Extremely fishy.
The GM would just have removed the items under normal circumstances, no questions asked - and if in a good mood - would have given a short explanation according to the official rules available to the left.
We will see as much of an explanation as with the server hacks around xmas. --*=*=*--
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Aero089
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:42:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Aero089 on 03/08/2006 20:43:36
Originally by: JA RULER I can conform it was a PERMABAN and not a temporary one. as per the evidence i have seen
I can confirm that you didn't listen to TS. He got a message telling him what was going on and that it may take a few hours.
EDIT: SP and such.
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Saerid
Amarr FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:42:00 -
[128]
Ofc CCP has told us multiple times spawning items and such by GM tools always leaves a log trace. Which begs the question does anyone actually monitor those logs?. Or if you run into something fishy like this, are you more likely to have a date with the permaban stick and the log will remain in pristinely untouched state unless someone manages to raise a public stink about it. Which would get them looked through.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:42:00 -
[129]
Why assume that a gm was nasty here ?
Why not assume that he either was already investigating things and just messed it up a little, or that he was actually told to spawn the stuff in the first place ?
I mean, imagine CCP getting a big investor interested or something. And this guy says he would like to know the gameplay of what he's buying into, being something of a e-nerd himself and all that fluff. So CCP says, 'sure go ahead, we'll have dear old gm X spawn you a nice char with some skills and hand you this neatly fitted BS with some leet stuff on it to have fun in', and this guy suprises the fell outta them by taking it all into 0.0 space first thing he does, adn getting whooped in the process...
Doesn't sound convincing does it ? Sure would be funny tho
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:43:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Haulin'Hauling Nope, officer mods are t1 mods with very low skill requirement. The Officer pdu gives a huge boost to PG and even with lame skills he still has tons cpu and pg to spare.
You did test a full fit with 6 estamel launchers and 2 something else's ? And assuming full lows as well (cpu hogging bcu's maybe ?).
WTB Scorpion with 6 launcher points. Mine only has 4.
Oh yeah, true dat
Now I think of it, that does sounds like a true noob actually. Who goes out soloing in a scorp anyway these days ?
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Nero Winger
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:44:00 -
[131]
At the moment it does not matter what the Scorp pilot did to get this modules online or even to get them. I fell ****ed off.
Some Friends kill a guy in a scorpion who entered 0.0 and riked his death fitted with officer mods - thats absolutely his fault.
Even if he has found a way to hack the CCP programms this is not the fault of the player who looted his can.
so simply i do not see the point why Hazad is banned temporarely. he just lootet the can of his victim!
I know somebody told as long as the investigation lasts - but how long will it last? days? weeks? if so wheres the point in banning him? at least he is a paying customer and seeing CCP threating customers this way makes me little bit angry to be true.
sincerly
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:47:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Nero Winger At the moment it does not matter what the Scorp pilot did to get this modules online or even to get them. I fell ****ed off.
Some Friends kill a guy in a scorpion who entered 0.0 and riked his death fitted with officer mods - thats absolutely his fault.
Even if he has found a way to hack the CCP programms this is not the fault of the player who looted his can.
so simply i do not see the point why Hazad is banned temporarely. he just lootet the can of his victim!
I know somebody told as long as the investigation lasts - but how long will it last? days? weeks? if so wheres the point in banning him? at least he is a paying customer and seeing CCP threating customers this way makes me little bit angry to be true.
sincerly
They have to check what happened and maybe that means freezing his logs. Who knows. Its like rumour heaven in here. I would put some faith in ccp.. they want to fix this the best way they can, im sure.
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Jbel Moussa
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:47:00 -
[133]
Can you say "Welcome to Wallmart Hammer here"
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James Don
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:48:00 -
[134]
Edited by: James Don on 03/08/2006 20:48:33
Originally by: kieron If the modules/ships/in-game items were attained illegally or made it into the game by a mistake, the GMs would remove those items. If the items were legal and legit, a GM would not interfere in your gameplay.
All other issues aside as I know this matter is being delt with I still feel the need to ask a few things if I may Kieron.
Actually I cant ask the first one as it's discussing GM's so I wont :p
2ndly :p if these modules arent ment to be in the game yet just how did they get in? and just how many items or how much ISK or skills can people attain illegally?
Im sure you understand that for long term playing and paying players its a grave concern that EVE could possibly be hacked in this way to attain levels of skill within such a short time. -------------------------------------------- notify : Your cloaking systems are unable to activate due to your ship being within 2000 meters of the nearby Snowballs. |
Haulin'Hauling
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:48:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Haulin'Hauling Nope, officer mods are t1 mods with very low skill requirement. The Officer pdu gives a huge boost to PG and even with lame skills he still has tons cpu and pg to spare.
You did test a full fit with 6 estamel launchers and 2 something else's ? And assuming full lows as well (cpu hogging bcu's maybe ?).
I cba checking it but i'd have thought it wouldn't fit.
Still if ti does that doesn't change that much. Noone fits that stuff on such a char anyway, ever, ever, remember ?
Just tested with quickfit, listed skills + electronic upg lvl 1 and tact shield manip lvl 1 (add 3hrs to the total): High: 4xEstamel's Modified Siege Missile Launcher [22xMjolnir Torpedo] 2x Draclira's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb
Med: 1xEstamel's Modified ECM Multispectral Jammer 1xEstamel's Modified Large Shield Booster 3xDraclira's Modified Cap Recharger 3xEstamel's Modified Invulnerability Field
Low: 2xDraclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System 2xFree slot (dmg control?)
1.8k+ free PG and 23cpu, i had to start from another char so there might be some skill interfering but nothing affecting the PG/cpu.
That gives him enuf cap to run all of that all the time (even the 2x smartbombs) while being double nossed and all his resists at 80-90%.
Not judging if ppl should fit that or not, but if they want it's possible to fit a one month old char with all that, i'ld rather buy 250,000 frigs :)
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Cutie Chaser
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:49:00 -
[136]
Kieron, is the accidental creation of items into the game a common occurence? Furthermore, irregardless of the 'event' being discussed, which is not supposed to be up for discussion, is it possible to be informed if this was a goof on the part of a ccp guy vs. an exploit thta someone discovered?
I ask this because if it is a GM goof, then its really not a big deal to me personally (no offense to those involved, I don't want to see anyone banned). HOWEVER, if some random person discovered a way to aquire items illegally, then it is a large concern, to everyone. I say this because smart people who had discovered a gamebreaking bug to spawn items would prolly be much more careful about it, and for all we know 3/4 of all the loot on the market could be 'tainted' at this very moment, done slowly to avoid the ire of those who would seek them out. In which case the market would be pretty much borked.
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Master Chaot
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:51:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Nero Winger At the moment it does not matter what the Scorp pilot did to get this modules online or even to get them. I fell ****ed off.
Some Friends kill a guy in a scorpion who entered 0.0 and riked his death fitted with officer mods - thats absolutely his fault.
Even if he has found a way to hack the CCP programms this is not the fault of the player who looted his can.
so simply i do not see the point why Hazad is banned temporarely. he just lootet the can of his victim!
I know somebody told as long as the investigation lasts - but how long will it last? days? weeks? if so wheres the point in banning him? at least he is a paying customer and seeing CCP threating customers this way makes me little bit angry to be true.
sincerly
They have to check what happened and maybe that means freezing his logs. Who knows. Its like rumour heaven in here. I would put some faith in ccp.. they want to fix this the best way they can, im sure.
I totally agree with Nero, banning a paying customer who has done nothing wrong is an unacceptable way of investiagion. Checking all logs from involved parties without banning anyone would be acceptable tho...
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Buxaroo
Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:53:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Originally by: Buxaroo Wow, this has turned into a very weird thread with all the ban rumors floating around.
Rumours?
Robert, I meant that it wasn't confirmed at the time I posted that. I was reading something I thought was kind of goofy or easily explained and then it turned into this GM thing which I didn't expect. I feel for anyone who gets banned for silly reasons thats for sure.
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SolSniper
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:55:00 -
[139]
I agree, there is no reason for any persons involved today to be banned, and I hope at the end of this some sort of compensation will be given because you have robbed a paying customer of playing time. Its not right to punish or inconvenince a paying customer for a GM problem. I hope that this ban is lifted soon
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Cutie Chaser
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:00:00 -
[140]
Originally by: SolSniper I agree, there is no reason for any persons involved today to be banned, and I hope at the end of this some sort of compensation will be given because you have robbed a paying customer of playing time. Its not right to punish or inconvenince a paying customer for a GM problem. I hope that this ban is lifted soon
With the ASSUMPTION that it was a GMs fault, is it any more fair to give 40bil(?) worth of modules to a person indirectly in that manner? It would be a lose-lose situation I would think, and so a decision that left someone with 2 hours of lost time yet preserved the integrity of the game might be a fair choice, when viewed in that light. |
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Lt Hole
Caldari Tyrell Corp Curse Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:01:00 -
[141]
Originally by: SolSniper I agree, there is no reason for any persons involved today to be banned, and I hope at the end of this some sort of compensation will be given because you have robbed a paying customer of playing time. Its not right to punish or inconvenince a paying customer for a GM problem. I hope that this ban is lifted soon
I think being banned in this case is like being arrested.
It doesn't mean you've done anything wrong. They just need to hold you in place until they can figure out IF you've done anything wrong.
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Freddy Jason
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:02:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Benco97 Edited by: Benco97 on 03/08/2006 21:00:55 Like someone said, if the ship was spawned by a GM then maybe it was spawned for a legitimate reason? some sort of testing purpose perhaps? I know they have their own closed off system for testing but I assumed that didn't run the current live version so maybe the only way to TRUE test something was on the live server. We need to have faith in CCP until some actual facts are presented, currently we know NOTHING about what happened.
*EDIT* by "closed off system" I DID NOT mean the area of space we cannot reach, I meant their own server
if it would be that way why is there no official statement yet that enlightens us all? we are still guessing around in the dark whats goin on behind the scenes
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Master Chaot
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:04:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Lt Hole
Originally by: SolSniper I agree, there is no reason for any persons involved today to be banned, and I hope at the end of this some sort of compensation will be given because you have robbed a paying customer of playing time. Its not right to punish or inconvenince a paying customer for a GM problem. I hope that this ban is lifted soon
I think being banned in this case is like being arrested.
It doesn't mean you've done anything wrong. They just need to hold you in place until they can figure out IF you've done anything wrong.
i still don't get why they ban the guy who just collected the loot then?
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Jbel Moussa
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:04:00 -
[144]
So.......
When everyone stops playing EVE and CCP goes bankrupt......
I have a few openings in the boneyard at our stud mill in Northern Alberta.
I'll even let you pertend your flying all the best ships and mods.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:07:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Havelcek There's a big flaw in your logic, which is that in the case the GM IS interfering with gameplay by using his out-of-game tools to add in-game items for whatever reason. So while its noble and all to want to investigate the situation, doing it by banning the player until you figure out WTF your staff is doing is really really disturbing.
You know what they say about making assumptions, and you are making a big one by assuming a GM is willing to risk his job by spawning some high end modules for himself or some of his buddies.
No flaw in the thinking, there are a wide variety of ways an item can make it into the game on accident, including mistakenly spawning a module for an event set-up, database or code change that adds the item to the market and more. If an item does not belong in EVE, the GMs have every authority to remove it.
If a bank makes an error and deposits money into your account, they remove the money when they discover the error. You don't get to keep it. EVE is the same way.
Folks, it's time to put away the tin-foil hats. The GMs are investigating and will take proper action as required.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online |
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Doctor Mario
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:07:00 -
[146]
Ever heared about "The Customer is king"?
Don't think so. :-/
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:08:00 -
[147]
Remember that SiSi is on the Dragon Code at the moment. The GM could not accidently have mistaken Tranquility for the testserver.
*imagines a GM showing Stavros how cool spawning items is ... --*=*=*--
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Imaran
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:10:00 -
[148]
Okay, this one has gone far enough.
Locked for discussion of Bans and Moderation.
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Easy Target
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.03 21:14:00 -
[149]
Quote: 2ndly :p if these modules arent ment to be in the game yet just how did they get in? and just how many items or how much ISK or skills can people attain illegally
with a GMs tools i would assume anything in the eve game can be spawned at will.
Same theory as the test server and the seeded market in syndicate. they werent built..
GMs waved their jedi hand and it was all spawned. (bows to the great powers)
Interesting for sure.
hope it gets sorted out quickly as possible, and if the guy who has been banned is an innocent party then that is determined quickly and he gets his account back. :)
Jumping to conclusions and speculating serves no purpose.
it is in the public eye, CCP will want it sorting as much as the FIX players, and the ones looking at the uber lootage.
I like rod blaines theory.. i agree that would indeed rock... :)
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GM Ender
Amarr Game Masters
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:09:00 -
[150]
Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08 Ok...
WeÆve finished the investigation. There was indeed a guilty party. It was a brand new GM who obviously didnÆt understand the rules as they were thorougly explained to him, who took it upon himself to cheat in such an outrageous manner.
This is in fact the first time in three and a half years that a GM has been found cheating in such a way. I wanted to get that out of the way before any conspiracy nuts pop up. But oh boy, was it a doozy.
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job, as we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesnÆt belong to you in your account, you canÆt expect to be allowed to keep it.
He will get control of his account back as soon as weÆre satisfied that we have retrieved all the stuff.
Lead GM Ender
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Soyemia
Minmatar Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:14:00 -
[151]
Originally by: GM Ender Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08 Ok...
WeÆve finished the investigation. There was indeed a guilty party. It was a brand new GM who obviously didnÆt understand the rules as they were thorougly explained to him, who took it upon himself to cheat in such an outrageous manner.
This is in fact the first time in three and a half years that a GM has been found cheating in such a way. I wanted to get that out of the way before any conspiracy nuts pop up. But oh boy, was it a doozy.
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job, as we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesnÆt belong to you in your account, you canÆt expect to be allowed to keep it.
He will get control of his account back as soon as weÆre satisfied that we have retrieved all the stuff.
Lead GM Ender
How could he knew that taht guy was GM? I can greate a char with GM in front of name.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:16:00 -
[152]
GMs talk to you in red speach. --*=*=*--
Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment. |
Dugan Lee
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:23:00 -
[153]
They should be talking about this on The View this morning.
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Matori Kar
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:24:00 -
[154]
Originally by: GM Ender Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job.... We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
Can you confirm that this 'errant' GM has had his player accounts banned aswell?
And, erm, do GMs get FREE player accounts??? :D and was that a job opening I see there? :p
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Joey1
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:26:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Soyemia
Originally by: GM Ender Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08 Ok...
WeÆve finished the investigation. There was indeed a guilty party. It was a brand new GM who obviously didnÆt understand the rules as they were thorougly explained to him, who took it upon himself to cheat in such an outrageous manner.
This is in fact the first time in three and a half years that a GM has been found cheating in such a way. I wanted to get that out of the way before any conspiracy nuts pop up. But oh boy, was it a doozy.
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job, as we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesnÆt belong to you in your account, you canÆt expect to be allowed to keep it.
He will get control of his account back as soon as weÆre satisfied that we have retrieved all the stuff.
Lead GM Ender
How could he knew that taht guy was GM? I can greate a char with GM in front of name.
No ya cant :) Before you make assumptions please do check them :) you seem to have made a ass of your self today ay?
Anywho, in any situation were you ask members of the public to become a "Admin" you are bound to get jerks whome abuse it but what can you do but perma ban them ;)
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Jenny Firespit
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:26:00 -
[156]
Anyone remember in the past when complexes were kinda new? Selenne or someone from the MC said they killed a scorpion in outer ring fitted with 3x gist x-type xl shield boosters and other x-type mods, this was before anyone was even running the complexes, sound a bit fishy?
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Eefrit
VakAtioth
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:29:00 -
[157]
GM Ender, the feedback is apreciated. Nothing worse than being kept in the dark.
/Eefrit
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Pepperami
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:31:00 -
[158]
Interesting, I presume all the GM's player accounts were banned too?
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StiZum Hilidii
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:32:00 -
[159]
Originally by: GM Ender Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08 Ok...
WeÆve finished the investigation. There was indeed a guilty party. It was a brand new GM who obviously didnÆt understand the rules as they were thorougly explained to him, who took it upon himself to cheat in such an outrageous manner.
This is in fact the first time in three and a half years that a GM has been found cheating in such a way. I wanted to get that out of the way before any conspiracy nuts pop up. But oh boy, was it a doozy.
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job, as we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesnÆt belong to you in your account, you canÆt expect to be allowed to keep it.
He will get control of his account back as soon as weÆre satisfied that we have retrieved all the stuff.
Lead GM Ender
any one tells me they are a gm in local and want their loot back you know what i would do FREE PERSON OF EARTH AGAINST EVE IN COMMUNIST CHINA
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Altai Saker
Omniscient Order Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:34:00 -
[160]
Ditto on what stan said, also wowza at this whole thing.
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w0rmy
Intensive CareBearz
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:34:00 -
[161]
Originally by: GM Ender
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesnÆt belong to you in your account, you canÆt expect to be allowed to keep it.
No, but they also dont prevent you accessing your account in the meantime either.
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Dark Shikari
What single item is larger than a jetcan?
My ego?
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:35:00 -
[162]
Good to hear swift action was taken. Only proper course action. Props for reinforcing your policies like that. Well done.
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Testicular Testes
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:36:00 -
[163]
Thumbs up for handling this. But how in the world did a person stupid enough to both cheat, die with that ship and get caught manage to become a GM? You do interview these people, right?
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News
Minmatar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:38:00 -
[164]
Well done on getting to the bottom of this and taking appropriate action.
One question though, would you have noticed something like this if no thread about the incident was made?
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:39:00 -
[165]
Originally by: GM Ender Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08 Ok...
We’ve finished the investigation. There was indeed a guilty party. It was a brand new GM who obviously didn’t understand the rules as they were thorougly explained to him, who took it upon himself to cheat in such an outrageous manner.
This is in fact the first time in three and a half years that a GM has been found cheating in such a way. I wanted to get that out of the way before any conspiracy nuts pop up. But oh boy, was it a doozy.
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job, as we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesn’t belong to you in your account, you can’t expect to be allowed to keep it.
He will get control of his account back as soon as we’re satisfied that we have retrieved all the stuff.
Lead GM Ender
Can I have his job?™
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Melkor Bloodaxe
Minmatar LEGI0N
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:39:00 -
[166]
I know I am not allowed to ask about it, since it's 'discussing' moderator actions, but since this whole case stinks already I will do it even though it's not allowed.
What about the people who are warned/banned because of this whole stinky thread? Are they gonna be unwarned/unbanned, or is this just gonna be a "this is the forum, forum rules applie no matter what, so the warnings/bans are legit"?
Just curious ____ "Since when is justified killing more fun than random killing?" -HippoKing-
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Novarei
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:41:00 -
[167]
Nice to see this got sorted, pretty quickly too :)
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Taketa De
Gallente Seneca Federation
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:50:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Melkor Bloodaxe I know I am not allowed to ask about it, since it's 'discussing' moderator actions, but since this whole case stinks already I will do it even though it's not allowed.
What about the people who are warned/banned because of this whole stinky thread? Are they gonna be unwarned/unbanned, or is this just gonna be a "this is the forum, forum rules applie no matter what, so the warnings/bans are legit"?
Just curious
Somehow I doubt they work by the "rule" that 2 wrongs make a right.... --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel. |
w0rmy
Intensive CareBearz
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:50:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Testicular Testes Thumbs up for handling this. But how in the world did a person stupid enough to both cheat, die with that ship and get caught manage to become a GM? You do interview these people, right?
My question would be...
As dumb as this GM apparently was, how come it took the public to bring it to the attention, before the GM was caught?
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Dark Shikari
What single item is larger than a jetcan?
My ego?
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Taketa De
Gallente Seneca Federation
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:54:00 -
[170]
Originally by: w0rmy My question would be...
As dumb as this GM apparently was, how come it took the public to bring it to the attention, before the GM was caught?
Originally by: GM Ender We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
While the sweeps are regular, I would be very suprised if they were instantanious and happening 24hrs a day. It's probably a manual review thing that takes people time.
(Tho an automatic "red falg" expert system could probably be made more easily that has another GM look over certain actions right away) --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel. |
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Ombey
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:56:00 -
[171]
, just
To be honest, I just scanned this thread, same old, same old, right? Wrong. GM Ender's post has floored me.
How can someone who has (had) *such* a cool job, risk it for something so trivial as cheating in a game? If his arse isn't sore from kicking himself, I'd be amazed.
Good job to the other GMs for finding it so fast. --
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:56:00 -
[172]
Rules don't work on the basis of 2 wrongs make a right.
Originally by: Dugan Lee Serious question:
I'm assuming that all of his backlogged actions are going to be combed over, but my question is: If he wouldn't have been stomped by some do-gooders, would it have been inevitable that he would have been caught for this specific cheat?
It would be nice to know that log reviews and GM training is done in a way so that they would understand getting caught would be inevitable if they cheated (and it should be).
Maybe it is... and this guy was just a ginormous idiot.
He would have been caught by the log checking they normally do in all likelyhood so guess he would have been caught eventually. Damage wasn't too big this way though.
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Brackun
Caldari Lords of Ruin Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.04 11:58:00 -
[173]
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Dugan Lee
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:03:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Ombey , just
To be honest, I just scanned this thread, same old, same old, right? Wrong. GM Ender's post has floored me.
How can someone who has (had) *such* a cool job, risk it for something so trivial as cheating in a game? If his arse isn't sore from kicking himself, I'd be amazed.
Good job to the other GMs for finding it so fast.
We'll - I doubt that GM job pays super great... and we've already established it was something like $3200 worth of items. That may explain part of the motives.
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Druid R
Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:03:00 -
[175]
worth a sticky for a week to show what has happened and how it has been swifty dealt with (sacking) and a token post from the guy who got banned once they let him back.
Grats on the kill guys, i'd be hesitant to give all that loot back as well, oh well, go write an eve chronicle about the kill or soething :)
Dru.
Welcome to the hijacked sig club. YARRR!!!11!one -Kaemonn I wanters, aren't getters. ohh. Oops. -Capsicum |
Ombey
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:09:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Dugan Lee
We'll - I doubt that GM job pays super great... and we've already established it was something like $3200 worth of items. That may explain part of the motives.
Fair comment, but still- it is a cool job to lose. If you're going to be a thief, don't be greedy. And wait till you've been around for more than 5 minutes! --
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Tequilapepper
Amarr Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:09:00 -
[177]
Edited by: Tequilapepper on 04/08/2006 12:09:59
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Testicular Testes Thumbs up for handling this. But how in the world did a person stupid enough to both cheat, die with that ship and get caught manage to become a GM? You do interview these people, right?
My question would be...
As dumb as this GM apparently was, how come it took the public to bring it to the attention, before the GM was caught?
How it took the public attention? We looked at our killboard (FIX) and seen a 20 days old noob with estimated 40 bills worth of fitting on a scorpion with skills enough to use them all... you know that makes you suspect some... Anyway we are glad GM solved the situation in a fast and definitive manner. As at least with bugs, lag peaks (like last night) and stuff like that, we love to think that at least cheating is not possible.
Respectfully
Tequilapepper
FIX Military Director
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Dugan Lee
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:15:00 -
[178]
Do you really thing it's a cool job? I've worked CS answering emails and it sucks. Now - I'd rather do it for a game then for a service industry... but on the other hand, think of how many flat out retarded and waste of time petitions you deal with a day.
GM's, please chime in if I'm completely off base about the job responsibilities, but I would say that the job is copy/pasting 80% of the petitions, dealing with minor problems 18% of the petitions, and dealing with complex (possibly interesting) petitions about 2%.
I doubt the job is anything to write home about. I'd rather be a player, or a guide, before being a GM in any game.
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GM Ender
Amarr Game Masters
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:18:00 -
[179]
For those who were asking if the guy would have been caught if there hadn't been such a public occurrance...yes, absolutely.
It would have taken a little bit longer, granted, since it *is* a manual process to go through all these logs and actions, but he would have been caught regardless.
Oh, and being an EVE GM is pretty much the best job there is :)
To answer the other question, on whether we don't interview people before hiring. Of course we do. However, inevitably you'll get a rotten apple sooner or later. We have had three and a half years of straight-arrow GM's, so I think that our track record is pretty darn good so far.
That being said, it is unfathomable to me that anyone would risk it and his reputation for something like this.
Lead GM Ender
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:25:00 -
[180]
Originally by: w0rmy
No, but they also dont prevent you accessing your account in the meantime either.
It depends on your bank tbh. If you got overpaid by say 15,000ú (and you went straight out and ****ed it away) they would lock your account as it's probably going to be overdrawn once they remove the 15,000ú :)
Plus if a bank thinks your guilty of something like, dunno, being a drug dealer or something of the ilk then they can freeze ur account only stating "our internal fraud department has asked us to freeze the account for a week"..
Anyhow, I dont see why an account has to be bann'd, S***ely a GM can claw back the stuff directly :/. I have heard of a few of things being taken back before and never heard of a ban ;P..
Oh well ---- WTB Aurora S bpo - Evemail me in game.. Scammed by "Not Superman" AKA "Nyphur" Then go visit the link |
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Dugan Lee
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:25:00 -
[181]
Originally by: GM Ender
Oh, and being an EVE GM is pretty much the best job there is :)
Lead GM Ender
Why? Don't those petitions just get mind numbing, or are you like a higher up GM that doesn't have to deal with that stuff? hehe.
I like helping people but I've learned that CS stuff is just a disgusting job. I can't believe how many unreasonable idiots are out there - and I can't even imagine how much worse it would be in a pvp game geared towards a younger (relatively) audience.
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Emsigma
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:29:00 -
[182]
Originally by: GM Ender
To answer the other question, on whether we don't interview people before hiring. Of course we do. However, inevitably you'll get a rotten apple sooner or later. We have had three and a half years of straight-arrow GM's, so I think that our track record is pretty darn good so far.
I can agree that most of the GM's are doing their job properly but so say that you have had 3.5 years of straight-arrow people is an exagurratin, no?
I know of at least 2 GM's who have been petitioned multiple times for severe missconduction where one of the senior GM's had to mail back and apologize for the GM in question and his/her actions.
Overall I must say that this was dealt way better than I assumed it to be and you really did a good job on this one.
A little bit of my trust in the GM's have finally been restored. ---
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SengH
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:29:00 -
[183]
Edited by: SengH on 04/08/2006 12:29:58
Originally by: DeODokktor
Originally by: w0rmy
No, but they also dont prevent you accessing your account in the meantime either.
It depends on your bank tbh. If you got overpaid by say 15,000ú (and you went straight out and ****ed it away) they would lock your account as it's probably going to be overdrawn once they remove the 15,000ú :)
Plus if a bank thinks your guilty of something like, dunno, being a drug dealer or something of the ilk then they can freeze ur account only stating "our internal fraud department has asked us to freeze the account for a week"..
Anyhow, I dont see why an account has to be bann'd, S***ely a GM can claw back the stuff directly :/. I have heard of a few of things being taken back before and never heard of a ban ;P..
Oh well
For all they know the player could have been in cahoots with the GM. If the mods had gone up on escrow and ppl had bought them and the isk spent on other stuff/alts/moved onto ebay. How much time do you think would have to be spent tracking it all down?
This way they freeze the assets before anything can be done to them.
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SengH
Black Omega Security E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:31:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Emsigma
Originally by: GM Ender
To answer the other question, on whether we don't interview people before hiring. Of course we do. However, inevitably you'll get a rotten apple sooner or later. We have had three and a half years of straight-arrow GM's, so I think that our track record is pretty darn good so far.
I can agree that most of the GM's are doing their job properly but so say that you have had 3.5 years of straight-arrow people is an exagurratin, no?
I know of at least 2 GM's who have been petitioned multiple times for severe missconduction where one of the senior GM's had to mail back and apologize for the GM in question and his/her actions.
Overall I must say that this was dealt way better than I assumed it to be and you really did a good job on this one.
A little bit of my trust in the GM's have finally been restored.
Your lucky, all I got for my petition was an oops it was our mistake honest. Can I help you with anything else?
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:31:00 -
[185]
Everybody can have a bad day... putting billions of loot into the game is something quite different no?
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Peachy Peachpants
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:42:00 -
[186]
Ender you're the lead GM for TQ now? I guess Arkanon got shipped to China then?
Thanks for keeping EVE GM Team l33t and awesome. We don't want no cheaters.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:42:00 -
[187]
Ender, I'm glad that this has been resolved and a corrupt GM has been brought to account, however I am not satisfied with your post. You state:
Originally by: GM Ender We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused.
But unfortunately I've seen the logs, that is a blatant inaccuracy. In fact he said that the GM team were more than welcome to take them and asked what items he should return, the GM team could not list such items which led to him becoming suspiscious of what exactly was going on - as the character in question is a programmer himself he was very, rightly, confused that logs don't exist for such things.
He did not flatly refuse at all, he offered to work WITH your team to return them. Was that really too much to ask for? The phrases "I don't mind if you take them" and "pls feel free to remove them" (those are exact quotes) do not constitute "flat refusal" to cooperate.
I think you owe Hazad an apology.
Might I also suggest you put in a feature request with the Devs to have "non-destroyed loot" added as a logging function.
Well done on getting this sorted, I know you guys learn from your mistakes but, in your own words, this one was a bit of a doozy.
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Aero089
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:47:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Dianabolic Ender, I'm glad that this has been resolved and a corrupt GM has been brought to account, however I am not satisfied with your post. You state:
Originally by: GM Ender We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused.
But unfortunately I've seen the logs, that is a blatant inaccuracy. In fact he said that the GM team were more than welcome to take them and asked what items he should return, the GM team could not list such items which led to him becoming suspiscious of what exactly was going on - as the character in question is a programmer himself he was very, rightly, confused that logs don't exist for such things.
He did not flatly refuse at all, he offered to work WITH your team to return them. Was that really too much to ask for? The phrases "I don't mind if you take them" and "pls feel free to remove them" (those are exact quotes) do not constitute "flat refusal" to cooperate.
I think you owe Hazad an apology.
Might I also suggest you put in a feature request with the Devs to have "non-destroyed loot" added as a logging function.
Well done on getting this sorted, I know you guys learn from your mistakes but, in your own words, this one was a bit of a doozy.
Agreed and supported. I have seen the same logs.
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BustyBounty
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:55:00 -
[189]
will anything else the naughty GM has done be investigated aswell? i doubt this is the first time he has done something he shouldnt have.
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Quurst
Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.04 12:55:00 -
[190]
Originally by: kieron You know what they say about making assumptions, and you are making a big one by assuming a GM is willing to risk his job by spawning some high end modules for himself or some of his buddies.
lmao
Still it's pretty scary that the banhammer was unleashed so quickly on the guy discovering the fraud.
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fl0pski
Occassus Republica Process of Elimination
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Posted - 2006.08.04 13:00:00 -
[191]
Hi, did you return the officer items to a you looted from that guy to a GM?
I think its not right or fair towards the eve community to keep illigally spawned items.
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Gilbert Drillerson
DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.04 13:02:00 -
[192]
Two things:
1. It is part of all law that i know about that items stolen dont change status to "not stolen" when sold/transferred. Consider: Someone steals my car and resells it to another buyer (who is in good faith). I see the car on the street and call the police, the buyer looses the car and i get it back.
Now the thief goes to jail and the innocent buyer has lost his money and has to go get them from the thief... that blew them all on quafe and exotic dancers in the PMV-G6 refinery station. So he may NEVR get his money unless the criminal at one point wins the lottery.
It seems unfair to the Buyer, but that is how it is in all criminal law i know about... thus the term Buyer beware... the alternative is to give me the rightfull owner of the car a problem.. (which is even more unfair).
2. The GM in question isnt necessecerily a bad guy out to help a mate or resell the stuff on ebay... I think its much more likely that he is just stupid. I can easily imagine a noob GM wanting to test out the best possible stuff on 0.0 rats planning to remove all the stuff afterwards. It is still wrong and he still looses his job... but it a little more understandable :)
/Gil
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Virida
Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2006.08.04 13:05:00 -
[193]
Thumbs up for CCP, for being honest. I think noone else would be so open at least.
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abraheam
Caldari Emerald Empire Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.08.04 13:06:00 -
[194]
Edited by: abraheam on 04/08/2006 13:08:22 Some may view this as harsh but I dont care.
I dont think anyone in a position to manipulate the game should be able to have any kind of personal account in it. That is like the people that pick the winning lotto numbers playing it, someone investing in oil company stocks able to vote on energy policies, amoung a wide varieties of examples.
To much room for tempatation to take over.
the bottom line is what is more important. Having job or playing a game.
Please dont let this happen again ccp. I know you try hard and I enjoy your game but please try harder. Or at least catch the person before this happens and someone has to get temp banned... under the cirumstances I dont think that was necessary. The GM messed up and whoever hired him. not the player. I gotta say if I was the one temp banned I would no longer be playing this game.
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MasterDk78
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 13:08:00 -
[195]
Originally by: MasterDk78 Nice kill...
I hope not it was ccp who entered 0.0 and got ganked and is crying to get his items back lol. if they cant handle tha game, go to test-server lol
for what i understand, it took them 6-8 min to kill this guy
Ooh.... so i was right lol Btw hazad is a cool guy, i would reacted the same way if i got loot like that and was convoed 20 min after telling to give the loot up LOL
anyhow, compensate haz for the time he could not play, would be proper action, since this isnt really his flaw.
- Best Masterdk78
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.08.04 13:09:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Dugan Lee stomped by some do-gooders
That's what Im going to tell people I'm doing from now on when I gank them - checking they aren't an errant GM for the good of the community :)
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.04 13:10:00 -
[197]
I'd rather have GM's that understand the game then ones that don't, thank you very much. Just requires some professionality to not exploit your position. And some nice mechanics ( and those are in place ) to prevent/catch it.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.04 13:13:00 -
[198]
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 04/08/2006 13:17:08
Originally by: abraheam Edited by: abraheam on 04/08/2006 13:08:22 Some may view this as harsh but I dont care.
I dont think anyone in a position to manipulate the game should be able to have any kind of personal account in it. That is like the people that pick the winning lotto numbers playing it, someone investing in oil company stocks able to vote on energy policies, amoung a wide varieties of examples.
To much room for tempatation to take over.
the bottom line is what is more important. Having job or playing a game.
Please dont let this happen again ccp. I know you try hard and I enjoy your game but please try harder. Or at least catch the person before this happens and someone has to get temp banned... under the cirumstances I dont think that was necessary. The GM messed up and whoever hired him. not the player. I gotta say if I was the one temp banned I would no longer be playing this game.
Not harsh, stupid.
You really prefer to have utter newbies handling your petitions ? Guys who haven't got the faintest idea what you're talking about ?
They have to play the game to work at CCP.
Oh and I agree, banning the player is kinda out of line, and that's the GM team in action, not a rogue newbie GM..
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ParMizaN
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.04 13:17:00 -
[199]
Good to see that the guy was dealt with.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 13:20:00 -
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Interesting ...
just for information, the reason i checked this thread again (after thinking that its probably a joke from the killboard owners the first time i saw it) were accounts of estamel invulnerability fields on escrow (roughly as likely as a "hulk BPO x3 reseller package" ... and some other estamel loot (BCUs etc) ... in six months of trading, i have not seen a single one of them ... ever. Thats the only part of the loot that is a 100% give-away.
And its probably the first time for many years where someone who messed up didnt try to justifiy it with accusing the victim of having weapons of mass destruction ;)
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Oosel
Nightmare Holdings Armorum Unitas
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Posted - 2006.08.04 13:44:00 -
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we had a guy banned not so long ago for claiming escrow loot that a player put up by mistake and he claimed said player then complained to a gm and all hell broke lose with accusations of our guy colluding with someone to do it....
when it was elivated to a higher gm and it was shown that the lesser gm had in fact banned our guy for the wrong reasons he got an apology and back into the game so as much as the guy who popped him getting banned is a downer its not the first time its happened and as long as he gets the time back on his account that he was banned for i cant see him being that annoyed as he offered to help in the first place
with incidents like these it takes time for things to come to light but at least now it has come to light they might now put in place measures to flag up uber loot items like these being spawned into any gm account so incidents like this can be tracked sooner
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abraheam
Caldari Emerald Empire Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:01:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk [Not harsh, stupid.
You really prefer to have utter newbies handling your petitions ? Guys who haven't got the faintest idea what you're talking about ?
They have to play the game to work at CCP.
Oh and I agree, banning the player is kinda out of line, and that's the GM team in action, not a rogue newbie GM..
Sounds to me like he was willing to cooperate, but that wasn't good enough, lack of immediate and unconditional submission and surrender with no questions asked = ban ?
I dont understand how beng an good PvPer makes you able to better work out a hanger bug.....but whatever. I could have sworn that dealt with the workings of the game/coding itself; not how to fit a ship..........
If they need to know the game mechanics that is what the test server is for. having GM capabilities while owning personal account will lead to exactly what happened.
Do you want Eve to be known as the game that is run by griefers? I dont. Things like this ruin games. since the only real reason we know about this incident is becuase a paying customer is involved what else doas the community not know about.
I am at least glad we agree about the banning though.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:04:00 -
[203]
Stop the tinfoil hat theories. They're well aware of the consequences stuff like this could have if alowed. GM's should play the game they GM for.
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Valrandir
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:05:00 -
[204]
Originally by: GM Ender Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08 Ok...
WeÆve finished the investigation. There was indeed a guilty party. It was a brand new GM who obviously didnÆt understand the rules as they were thorougly explained to him, who took it upon himself to cheat in such an outrageous manner.
This is in fact the first time in three and a half years that a GM has been found cheating in such a way. I wanted to get that out of the way before any conspiracy nuts pop up. But oh boy, was it a doozy.
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job, as we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesnÆt belong to you in your account, you canÆt expect to be allowed to keep it.
He will get control of his account back as soon as weÆre satisfied that we have retrieved all the stuff.
Lead GM Ender
Most excellent conclusion. Respect to CCP Shame to the n00b GM
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Valrandir
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dugan Lee
Originally by: Ombey , just
To be honest, I just scanned this thread, same old, same old, right? Wrong. GM Ender's post has floored me.
How can someone who has (had) *such* a cool job, risk it for something so trivial as cheating in a game? If his arse isn't sore from kicking himself, I'd be amazed.
Good job to the other GMs for finding it so fast.
We'll - I doubt that GM job pays super great... and we've already established it was something like $3200 worth of items. That may explain part of the motives.
Wrong, he used the officer fitted scorpion to jump into a 0.0 chokepoint. Indeed how can such people become GM?
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Christopher Scott
Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: abraheam
I dont understand how beng an good PvPer makes you able to better work out a hanger bug.....but whatever. I could have sworn that dealt with the workings of the game/coding itself; not how to fit a ship..........
Oh, I can give you a million reasons on how it does. Believe me, actual game experience makes a big difference with quality assurance and customer support. Think of the difference between a technician speaking from his own experience, or an outsourced service rep reading scripted responses from a manual(with strong accents).
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: abraheam I dont understand how beng an good PvPer makes you able to better work out a hanger bug.....but whatever. I could have sworn that dealt with the workings of the game/coding itself; not how to fit a ship..........
If they need to know the game mechanics that is what the test server is for. having GM capabilities while owning personal account will lead to exactly what happened.
Do you want Eve to be known as the game that is run by griefers? I dont. Things like this ruin games. since the only real reason we know about this incident is becuase a paying customer is involved what else doas the community not know about.
I am at least glad we agree about the banning though.
EVE is run by griefers, it always has been, that's why it's such an awesome game However I wasn't saying GMs should be PvPers, altho they probly should. I was saying they should actually play the game so they're at least familiar with how it works, so they know what a player is talking about when he petitions, playing on test server is pointless and boring and in no way a good measure of what TQ is actually like.
a GM has nothing to do with code or anything like that, they use tools that are provided to them read petitions and make judgement calls within the framework of their policy. How they interpret those petitions is obviously influenced by whether they understand them, and they're a lot more likely to comprehend what people are talking about if they've been in the same situation or at least in she same ballpark..
Would you want a GM handling your manufacturing bug petition if he's never used a lab or factory ingame ? I wouldn't.
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abraheam
Caldari Emerald Empire Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Originally by: abraheam I dont understand how beng an good PvPer makes you able to better work out a hanger bug.....but whatever. I could have sworn that dealt with the workings of the game/coding itself; not how to fit a ship..........
If they need to know the game mechanics that is what the test server is for. having GM capabilities while owning personal account will lead to exactly what happened.
Do you want Eve to be known as the game that is run by griefers? I dont. Things like this ruin games. since the only real reason we know about this incident is becuase a paying customer is involved what else doas the community not know about.
I am at least glad we agree about the banning though.
EVE is run by griefers, it always has been, that's why it's such an awesome game However I wasn't saying GMs should be PvPers, altho they probly should. I was saying they should actually play the game so they're at least familiar with how it works, so they know what a player is talking about when he petitions, playing on test server is pointless and boring and in no way a good measure of what TQ is actually like.
a GM has nothing to do with code or anything like that, they use tools that are provided to them read petitions and make judgement calls within the framework of their policy. How they interpret those petitions is obviously influenced by whether they understand them, and they're a lot more likely to comprehend what people are talking about if they've been in the same situation or at least in she same ballpark..
Would you want a GM handling your manufacturing bug petition if he's never used a lab or factory ingame ? I wouldn't.
Please look ay my edit for that was the maincounter to thisargument I forgot to add to the post in teh first place.
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Joerd Toastius
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: abraheam Edited by: abraheam on 04/08/2006 13:08:22 Some may view this as harsh but I dont care.
I dont think anyone in a position to manipulate the game should be able to have any kind of personal account in it. That is like the people that pick the winning lotto numbers playing it, someone investing in oil company stocks able to vote on energy policies, amoung a wide varieties of examples.
To much room for tempatation to take over.
the bottom line is what is more important. Having job or playing a game.
Please dont let this happen again ccp. I know you try hard and I enjoy your game but please try harder. Or at least catch the person before this happens and someone has to get temp banned... under the cirumstances I dont think that was necessary. The GM messed up and whoever hired him. not the player. I gotta say if I was the one temp banned I would no longer be playing this game.
Seen this argument a thousand times before, and it just doesn't fly. If you apply it to paid support staff you get staff who have no idea how the game works, and if you apply it to volunteers you end up with no volunteers. Everybody who's involved with the game at a level above being a player should play the game IMO, as it makes them better at their jobs - even former players can get out of touch with the current status quo very easily. I'd be far more worried about the people making decisions who don't play than those who do.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 04/08/2006 14:24:07
Sounds like ArachV0id wants to be a GM when he grows up ..
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:25:00 -
[211]
Um your edit is just about abusing position to spawn stuff.
Them actually playing the game doesn't have anything to do with GM powers, and everything to do with a certain level of required knowledge about EVE.
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
a GM has nothing to do with code or anything like that, they use tools that are provided to them read petitions and make judgement calls within the framework of their policy.
I'm a bit surprised a junior GM has access to tools that can bump a character's skills and spawn items.
I would have thought they'de get 3-5 basic abilities, mostly consisting of 'move player to last station they docked at'
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:30:00 -
[213]
Newsflash: GM are people too.
And I would react exactly the same as Haz did. (Yes, players are people too.)
Besides its shocking to see when push comes to shove GM actually find out stuff in logs afterall.
And I wish that sacked GM a happy career in the exciting world of fish cannery business.
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abraheam
Caldari Emerald Empire Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:36:00 -
[214]
All these scenarios are what the test server is for. You dont have to have a sustained charactor participating in player events and interactions to know how to use a factory. Again what parts of the game do you have to know if you can just spawn yourself with the best mods and ships in the game.
I wonder if that GM ever did a complex? Or did any missions...or did R&D agents. Considering he had a 1 month charactor with the best mods in the game probably not.
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Major Smiley
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:39:00 -
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I have to say, good on the GMs for handling this affair quickly and then admitting what actually happened.
Also, keep in mind if they would have said nothing and just kept the loot, they would still have the loot. I can't imagine gaining such valuable items, then being told that they can't keep it. Their sacrifice "outed" a crooked GM and made the EVE universe a little better for everyone.
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Michiyo Daishi
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:47:00 -
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TBH, as a paying customer, I'd like more formality (and proper PR handling) regarding such incidents like this.
Sure you caught him, but that's just plain Blizzard level WoW (yes, I mocketh WoW here). The CCP we all know and love wouldnt have even let such a rotten apple show up as a working paid employee at CCP as a junior GM in the first place.
Cmon CCP, you can do better than that. And no dont give me the PR talk that "there's no such thing as bad publicity." News flash, this one is bad publicity. Get the leather out and start whipping people. Seriously.
Sidenote: News of the now fired employee would be appreciated, so we know who/what kidns of people to avoid hiring next time in case we need trustworthy employees. -
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Pepperami
Interesting, I presume all the GM's player accounts were banned too?
why would they do that?...
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:48:00 -
[218]
I hope the CCp team make that GM sweat in the chair before they let him go?
Was he delivering that ship to someone?
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:51:00 -
[219]
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 04/08/2006 14:52:41
Originally by: abraheam All these scenarios are what the test server is for. You dont have to have a sustained charactor participating in player events and interactions to know how to use a factory. Again what parts of the game do you have to know if you can just spawn yourself with the best mods and ships in the game.
I wonder if that GM ever did a complex? Or did any missions...or did R&D agents. Considering he had a 1 month charactor with the best mods in the game probably not.
They're not allowed to spawn stuff for themselves. That's why he got fired, hello !
A GM's player account is just like anyone else's account, they start as a newbie and play the game normally, no advantages. Same with devs. Wouldn't be any fun playing the game with "cheat codes" anyway.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: GM Ender Edited by: GM Ender on 04/08/2006 11:09:08 Ok...
WeÆve finished the investigation. There was indeed a guilty party. It was a brand new GM who obviously didnÆt understand the rules as they were thorougly explained to him, who took it upon himself to cheat in such an outrageous manner.
This is in fact the first time in three and a half years that a GM has been found cheating in such a way. I wanted to get that out of the way before any conspiracy nuts pop up. But oh boy, was it a doozy.
This particular new GM is now looking for a new job, as we do not, and never have tolarated to even a slight degree, any cheating within EVE. We are much too fully aware of the possible consequences of allowing any cheating to go on among the GM's. We do regular sweeps where we go over the logs of everyone to see what they are doing on their player accounts.
As for the player who ended up with the loot, he has been temporarily banned for refusing to co-operate. We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused. We had no choice but to temporarily ban his account while we retrieve the goods. As Kieron stated above, if the bank accidentally deposits money that doesnÆt belong to you in your account, you canÆt expect to be allowed to keep it.
He will get control of his account back as soon as weÆre satisfied that we have retrieved all the stuff.
Lead GM Ender
Glad it was a GM and not an exploit.
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic Ender, I'm glad that this has been resolved and a corrupt GM has been brought to account, however I am not satisfied with your post. You state:
Originally by: GM Ender We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused.
But unfortunately I've seen the logs, that is a blatant inaccuracy. In fact he said that the GM team were more than welcome to take them and asked what items he should return, the GM team could not list such items which led to him becoming suspiscious of what exactly was going on - as the character in question is a programmer himself he was very, rightly, confused that logs don't exist for such things.
He did not flatly refuse at all, he offered to work WITH your team to return them. Was that really too much to ask for? The phrases "I don't mind if you take them" and "pls feel free to remove them" (those are exact quotes) do not constitute "flat refusal" to cooperate.
I think you owe Hazad an apology.
Might I also suggest you put in a feature request with the Devs to have "non-destroyed loot" added as a logging function.
Well done on getting this sorted, I know you guys learn from your mistakes but, in your own words, this one was a bit of a doozy.
Agreed, and thank you for stating that.
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Posted - 2006.08.04 14:58:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
Was he delivering that ship to someone?
What he said.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:02:00 -
[223]
Originally by: kieron
If a bank makes an error and deposits money into your account, they remove the money when they discover the error. You don't get to keep it. EVE is the same way.
Just for the sake of the argument;
If a bank in Iceland makes that mistake, the money is yours. If they accidentally deposit an amount in the wrong account, if they add an extra zero, etc.
Should the amount be high enough to threaten the welfare of the bank, they can take it to court and get a warrant to correct the mistake. Otherwise you keep it.
At least that's the impression I got from my lawyer when we were talking about this a while back. ----
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Dugan Lee
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:04:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Valrandir
Originally by: Dugan Lee
Originally by: Ombey , just
To be honest, I just scanned this thread, same old, same old, right? Wrong. GM Ender's post has floored me.
How can someone who has (had) *such* a cool job, risk it for something so trivial as cheating in a game? If his arse isn't sore from kicking himself, I'd be amazed.
Good job to the other GMs for finding it so fast.
We'll - I doubt that GM job pays super great... and we've already established it was something like $3200 worth of items. That may explain part of the motives.
Wrong, he used the officer fitted scorpion to jump into a 0.0 chokepoint. Indeed how can such people become GM?
Huh? Did you quote the wrong thread?
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Wierd Beard
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic Ender, I'm glad that this has been resolved and a corrupt GM has been brought to account, however I am not satisfied with your post. You state:
Originally by: GM Ender We asked him to hand it over, and he flatly refused.
But unfortunately I've seen the logs, that is a blatant inaccuracy. In fact he said that the GM team were more than welcome to take them and asked what items he should return, the GM team could not list such items which led to him becoming suspiscious of what exactly was going on - as the character in question is a programmer himself he was very, rightly, confused that logs don't exist for such things.
He did not flatly refuse at all, he offered to work WITH your team to return them. Was that really too much to ask for? The phrases "I don't mind if you take them" and "pls feel free to remove them" (those are exact quotes) do not constitute "flat refusal" to cooperate.
I think you owe Hazad an apology.
Might I also suggest you put in a feature request with the Devs to have "non-destroyed loot" added as a logging function.
Well done on getting this sorted, I know you guys learn from your mistakes but, in your own words, this one was a bit of a doozy.
/signed again
That type of statement reflects poorly on one of our alliance members and on our alliance as a whole.
The very least, the player deserves is an apology.
Good job on sacking the offending employee. I'm sure the CCP staff is just as angry as the players. But it truly sucks that one player had to go through all of this because of one bad apple.
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Amthrianius
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:20:00 -
[226]
Cheating GM's in eve.
A sad day
Please give us the GM name though
The last dev blog mentioning new GM's listed these as the new GM's, so which was it?
GM Markab, GM Fear, GM Panic, GM Mitsurugi, GM Eldini, GM Hokkirass and GM Xamother ---------------
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Amthrianius
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:27:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: Amthrianius Cheating GM's in eve.
A sad day
Please give us the GM name though
The last dev blog mentioning new GM's listed these as the new GM's, so which was it?
GM Markab, GM Fear, GM Panic, GM Mitsurugi, GM Eldini, GM Hokkirass and GM Xamother
They probably won't say, so as not to risk being sued by the former GM for privacy violations or whatever.
I don't see how releasing the "GM Name" would be breaking that, his real name yes, but GM name not possible as only the GM's/DEV's would know his real identity anyway so releasing just his GM name wouldn't breach anything like that. But it would put faith back to some of us who still believe the GM's are covering something up, that maybe they are lying to us about just how 'new' this GM is. Maybe even a Senior GM? ---------------
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:35:00 -
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ccp didn't follow the 'Crucify in the open' politics in the past. Neither against customers, not against their volunteers nor employees.
I don't think they're going to change that now. --*=*=*--
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Aero089
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Aero089 on 04/08/2006 15:42:29 For all those that are flaming CCP right now about this subject:
The case of this GM could happen to ANY company. People need to have a strong Willpower attribute to resist the temptation of abusing their powers. Sometimes in an application process this is not directly obvious and as the Dutch saying goes: "Only after a lamb drowns in a well, Man will close it".
Miscommunication is just like that. In some cases we simply miss a line or interpret a line in a wrong way. Mind you, written text where you don't hear a voice or anything can sound positive in one's mind, but negative and unwillling in another's. I believe the GM that banned Hazad Barud simply didn't get Hazad's intentions and decided to cut him off before he did something like transferring the stuff quickly, making the tracking process only harder.
EDIT: Just be happy CCP is an open, honest company. At least they take responsibility for what happened and briefs the community about what is going on and what measures are being taken.
For the sake of us all, please accept it as it is. At least the involved parties do.
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Chip2k3
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:43:00 -
[230]
But that GM was probs /commanding his skills, so I'm sure he had willpower maxed
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GM Ender
Amarr Game Masters
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:44:00 -
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While I am certainly not going to give out the name of the GM in question, as I feel that would be a total breach of anything resembling professionalism, I can tell you that it was none of the GM's mentioned above.
When I said that this GM was brand new, I meant that he was brand new. He was hired (and fired) after the dev blog quoted was written.
Lead GM Ender
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Stamm
Amarr GALAXIAN
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:48:00 -
[232]
Originally by: GM Ender While I am certainly not going to give out the name of the GM in question, as I feel that would be a total breach of anything resembling professionalism, I can tell you that it was none of the GM's mentioned above.
When I said that this GM was brand new, I meant that he was brand new. He was hired (and fired) after the dev blog quoted was written.
Lead GM Ender
Poor guy. I used to spawn myself a character to kill cheaters when I was a wizard. Then again that was 15 years ago and the game wasn't quite on the same level as Eve :P Then again I wasn't breaking the rules as none applied to me.
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Weirda
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:51:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: Dugan Lee stomped by some do-gooders
That's what Im going to tell people I'm doing from now on when I gank them - checking they aren't an errant GM for the good of the community :)
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inSpirAcy
Caldari The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.04 15:54:00 -
[234]
I'd just like to thank the GMs for bringing this up publicly, rather than resolving it only with the parties involved. It's a good boost of confidence to hear this stuff said in the open.
Good job lads (and ladies)!
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Manus Ghostface
Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:05:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Glad it was a GM and not an exploit.
QFFT, the ramifications of a exploit allowing for accelerated skill training or just spoofed skills would be insane.
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FooB2
Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:05:00 -
[236]
please say it wasnt xhagen. we would all miss his crotch so.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:08:00 -
[237]
Originally by: GM Ender While I am certainly not going to give out the name of the GM in question, as I feel that would be a total breach of anything resembling professionalism.
Indeed, I certainly wouldn't expect any less.
I do however still believe you owe hazad an apology and a rescindment of your claim that he flatly refused to cooperate, Ender.
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Chip2k3
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:15:00 -
[238]
I think if this were in a playground, all the kids would be gathered Dianabolic and GM Ender shouting FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
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JA RULER
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:19:00 -
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WEll he could not have been just hired and fired as his char was over a month old unless he played EVE b4 joining CCP.
Now i wish to say thanks for the swift action, but now i must ask and soon demand that u repel Hazads ban. He wanted to coroprate with teh GM and said he can have the mods.
That was all he coul ddo as he DID NOT IN FACT HAVE THE MODS WITH HIM, as they had been given to someone else in gang to bring to a station for safe keeping then logged. He could not have helped in any other way than whet he did.
ONly when he had a feeling that the GM was not being entirely Trufull did he start asking questions himself that the GM could not answer. Christ sake the entire populace of EVE would have acted the same way from that moment on. he still said the GM could take them but was not going to co-operate with a potential scamm and there by become involved for assisting in there scamm.
IF he had simply done what the GM wanted none of this would have been noticed and your GM would have carried on cheating and killed others with the ship sand mods and they would not have even got any rebursment what so ever.
Hazad deserves a simple apology also. He is a dam good person and a fine pilot. Also English is not is primary tougne.
He did the best he could under the circumstances and for you to continue the ban and blame it on him not helping is just CCP trying to save face and Making out that it is not all CCP fault and wants someone else to share blame.
Now please repel his ban or i wil be back on this forums.
Many thanks
JA RULER
Officer
Hunters Agency
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Down Range
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:28:00 -
[240]
Can someone that has read all this give me a run down on just WTF happened?
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Vanlade
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:31:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Down Range Can someone that has read all this give me a run down on just WTF happened?
Don't be lazy, read the post.
Quote: The question you should ask is not who will let you, but who will stop you.
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Chip2k3
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:32:00 -
[242]
A new GM in his alt account had a scorp fitted with amazing mods, and obviously couldnt use them as his account was only a month old. he used his power to boost his skills and got himself these mods, got blown up and has since been sacked.
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Joerd Toastius
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:32:00 -
[243]
Originally by: abraheam All these scenarios are what the test server is for.
No, they're not. The test server is for testing. Moreover, simply "playing" with things on the test server generally does squat for your understanding of the game unless you're there to answer a specific question.
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Baun
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:32:00 -
[244]
Edited by: Baun on 04/08/2006 16:36:05 This is completely ridiculous.
That said, CCP seems to have always done a good job of curbing any abuses by their paid support. Nothing like this is going to happen for another 3.5 years.
None of the players should have been banned, but I can see why CCP would want to do whatever it could to stop oddles of artificially created top tier loot from entering the game.
Edit: Offhand. If you are going to spawn yourself an uber ship why stop at a large shield booster and t1 drones :O ..... also why not go with a Rattlesnake or something. What kind of a nub cheater was this guy.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Tekka
Caldari Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:36:00 -
[245]
Hopefully also beaten down with a few ban-sticks and banned from CCP.
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ElCoCo
Gallente KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:37:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: GM Ender While I am certainly not going to give out the name of the GM in question, as I feel that would be a total breach of anything resembling professionalism.
Indeed, I certainly wouldn't expect any less.
I do however still believe you owe hazad an apology and a rescindment of your claim that he flatly refused to cooperate, Ender.
Seconded. I would have done the same in his place and not give the modules over based on that chatlog
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Pakalolo
Tha Shiznit
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:37:00 -
[247]
i think this thread just blew the implants out of my fragile caldari head. wow.
there's a few quite respectable players here that now have a big ? by their names. i think they ALL deserve apologies.
And thank you for unlocking this thread and explaining what happened. definite props for that CCP.
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Akira Kaneshiro
Caldari Associated Press
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:39:00 -
[248]
Hazad deserves a simple apology also.
/sign
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Hal2
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:44:00 -
[249]
Edited by: Hal2 on 04/08/2006 16:45:19 I have to also agree on seeing the logs of that GM convo that I would have done the exact thing Haz did as he did nothing wrong.
Things I see wrong here:
1. New GM did wrong 2. GM banned account with no warning (again based on the chat log) and listed it as perma ban 3. Account is still banned 4. It has been stated incorrectly that Haz did not cooperate when based on that chat log he could not have been any more cooperative.
English is my first lanquage and based on the way that the GM represented himself in that chat log I would have been skeptical as well.
This is going on what 2 days now? This should be fixed immediatly and Haz's good name restored.
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James Don
Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:49:00 -
[250]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: GM Ender While I am certainly not going to give out the name of the GM in question, as I feel that would be a total breach of anything resembling professionalism.
Indeed, I certainly wouldn't expect any less.
I do however still believe you owe hazad an apology and a rescindment of your claim that he flatly refused to cooperate, Ender.
/signed,
I was in TS as this was happening and we all agreed it smelt too fishy to be geniune, as Hazad's chat logs would show he did say that if the GM wanted the items he could take them, this was because we believed the GM had the tools to remove the items but needed authority form someone above him, if the items had been given back he may have gotten away with it! -------------------------------------------- notify : Your cloaking systems are unable to activate due to your ship being within 2000 meters of the nearby Snowballs. |
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EnEs TaLuNdZiC
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:54:00 -
[251]
Hi. I was one of the involved in the kill of this co called "FRESH GM CHEATING"
I wanna SAY, Give us the ISK! We deserved it.
I/we don't care if he cheated or not or whatever he was doing.
And skip the crap about the bank how it has done wrong and rable rable rable rable rable, can take their money back and so on.
Give us our ISK, and apologize to everyone affected by your lousy hiring policies.
We are not at fault in anyway, we have deserved the isk, even if it was falsely brought in to the game according to you.
Hell, I don't even care how the modules got into the game.
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SolSniper
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:56:00 -
[252]
Update: As I have spoken Personally to the banned individual he has received the following e-mail:
CCP has taken imediate action against the individual involved. His ban has been lifted but the item received in the kill will not be given back or compensated in anyway. CCP apologizes for the incident.
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Reithan
Caldari Dark Planet Ventures
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Posted - 2006.08.04 16:59:00 -
[253]
Hazad still deserves a public apology after being publicly slammed by GM Ender, IMHO.
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Tristan Hellbringer
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:01:00 -
[254]
EnEs is right, give them their money they deserved. Who cares how he got the modules :/ If he sold GTCs it's nothing against rules. so it's all legit. he just died. his mistake, and modules should be given back to original people from the killmail so they can do with it what they want. simple as that. //crunatus.net__ |
EnEs TaLuNdZiC
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:01:00 -
[255]
Originally by: EnEs TaLuNdZiC Hi. I was one of the involved in the kill of this co called "FRESH GM CHEATING"
I wanna SAY, Give us the ISK! We deserved it.
I/we don't care if he cheated or not or whatever he was doing.
And skip the crap about the bank how it has done wrong and rable rable rable rable rable, can take their money back and so on.
Give us our ISK, and apologize to everyone affected by your lousy hiring policies.
We are not at fault in anyway, we have deserved the isk, even if it was falsely brought in to the game according to you.
Hell, I don't even care how the modules got into the game.
Quoting myself, As "Communist China Productions" doesn't seem to understand
Please read the above and below
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EnEs TaLuNdZiC
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:10:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Endeva Hazad deserves a public apology and enes deserve isk for sure:=)
Look Here CCP
Finally somebody who understands what has to be done I will gladly split the ISK between the involved in the "Kill of the Sorry Ass GM"
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Cmdr Sy
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:12:00 -
[257]
Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 04/08/2006 17:14:46
This wasn't the worst thing that this guy could have done.
Imagine the slapstick attempts to put it right without anyone finding out. Entire regions could have been consumed by flames.
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EnEs TaLuNdZiC
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:14:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Endeva Hazad deserves a public apology and enes deserve isk for sure:=)
Look Here CCP
Finally somebody who understands what has to be done I will gladly split the ISK between the involved in the "Kill of the Sorry Ass GM"
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EnEs TaLuNdZiC
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:14:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Endeva Hazad deserves a public apology and enes deserve isk for sure:=)
Look Here CCP
Finally somebody who understands what has to be done I will gladly split the ISK between the involved in the "Kill of the Sorry Ass GM"
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Selak
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:15:00 -
[260]
Or at least one billion as compensation for trauma and hard time killing this cheater. I think they should be rewarded even more cuz without em u would NEVER had a chance to find this abuse of gm position! So there's my full support ;)
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EnEs TaLuNdZiC
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:17:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Selak Or at least one billion as compensation for trauma and hard time killing this cheater. I think they should be rewarded even more cuz without em u would NEVER had a chance to find this abuse of gm position! So there's my full support ;)
No NO NO NO NO NO
I want the entire "enchilada"
Not some corner of the corn
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Logan Feynman
Legio Ancientis
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:18:00 -
[262]
If this is the only GM cheating in three and a half years, I think the CCP can afford to give the players that caught him the award they initially received.
Hazad deserves an apology.
The EVE economy will not be devastated by a couple of guys receiving a couple of officer mods.
CCP would look better, and all would fly safer and more at ease.
Originally by: Marvin the Paranoid Android You live and learn. At any rate, you live.
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Selak
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:18:00 -
[263]
I think you should recive some shares within ccp company ;)
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Down Range
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:19:00 -
[264]
OK, so I read the whole thread.
Let me get this straight. A GM spawned gear illegally. Gear worth more than most corps have ever seen. You guys kill him and then hide the loot. Real GMs come in and clean up.
And you want the money/loot back? ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME?
No god damned way. Maybe a few million isk. Say 5 for each guy that was on the kill mail. But NO WAY should a player be given isk to match the loot that he "earned". No one earned that isk. Thats the problem in the first place.
No way should fix or bob or anyone else get billions of isk for this little drama.
I have no problem with all of them getting something. Maybe even a little event item badge or something. But you guys didn't EARN ****. You killed a scorp. How much could you really expect, under normal circumstances to get from a scorp? A couple million. Maybe 10 each. If you are really lucky. So if you get anything, thats all you should get.
Sorry, it's not fair to the rest of us that you guys want to cheat like the GM did. It's even sorrier that you can't see that.
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Fara'a
Legio Ancientis
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:20:00 -
[265]
I'm not really sure if the analogy with bank politics aplies here. I mean, it was the GM, thus a person that lost the modules, and was punished with a quick wtfpwnd and lost his job, and I don't think any bank would have any right to claim any property lost in this manner. That GM didn't 'transfer' the loot to those players, he lost the 'stolen' good, so the correct step from CCP would be to offer a reward to those that have their goods, and say: sorry guys, we had an internal teft, here's something for those stuff, we unfortunately can't let you keep.
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SolSniper
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:20:00 -
[266]
OK Hazad deserves an apology for sure from CCP.
He has been made in earlier posts to look like the bad guy and this isnt true. He did nothing wrong accept stop a Cheating GM
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EnEs TaLuNdZiC
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:21:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Down Range OK, so I read the whole thread.
Let me get this straight. A GM spawned gear illegally. Gear worth more than most corps have ever seen. You guys kill him and then hide the loot. Real GMs come in and clean up.
And you want the money/loot back? ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME?
No god damned way. Maybe a few million isk. Say 5 for each guy that was on the kill mail. But NO WAY should a player be given isk to match the loot that he "earned". No one earned that isk. Thats the problem in the first place.
No way should fix or bob or anyone else get billions of isk for this little drama.
I have no problem with all of them getting something. Maybe even a little event item badge or something. But you guys didn't EARN ****. You killed a scorp. How much could you really expect, under normal circumstances to get from a scorp? A couple million. Maybe 10 each. If you are really lucky. So if you get anything, thats all you should get.
Sorry, it's not fair to the rest of us that you guys want to cheat like the GM did. It's even sorrier that you can't see that.
I'm sorry to see that an ALT GM is posting
Give US THE ISK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I posted Previously, I don't care How the ISK got into the game. WE want IT!!!!!!!!
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:22:00 -
[268]
Edited by: voogru on 04/08/2006 17:22:57
Originally by: EnEs TaLuNdZiC I'm sorry to see that an ALT GM is posting
Give US THE ISK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I posted Previously, I don't care How the ISK got into the game. WE want IT!!!!!!!!
You shouldnt have mods that were not supposed to be in the game in the first place.
What if the GM had a full rack of Test XL Tachyons? (A gun which rapes everything and fits on anything).
You shouldnt get the loot or any of the ISK that would have come from it, instead, maybe 10M isk for everyone thats on the kill mail.
Quote: WE want IT!!!!!!!!
Too bad, so sad.
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SolSniper
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:22:00 -
[269]
Down you make no sence. They should get the price of the loot m8. Say the GM had killed them first they would have gotten **** for there ships. They spent over 5min to kill the SOB and you say they didnt deserve it. You need to get your facts befor you post please
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Endeva
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:23:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Down Range OK, so I read the whole thread.
Let me get this straight. A GM spawned gear illegally. Gear worth more than most corps have ever seen. You guys kill him and then hide the loot. Real GMs come in and clean up.
And you want the money/loot back? ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME?
No god damned way. Maybe a few million isk. Say 5 for each guy that was on the kill mail. But NO WAY should a player be given isk to match the loot that he "earned". No one earned that isk. Thats the problem in the first place.
No way should fix or bob or anyone else get billions of isk for this little drama.
I have no problem with all of them getting something. Maybe even a little event item badge or something. But you guys didn't EARN ****. You killed a scorp. How much could you really expect, under normal circumstances to get from a scorp? A couple million. Maybe 10 each. If you are really lucky. So if you get anything, thats all you should get.
Sorry, it's not fair to the rest of us that you guys want to cheat like the GM did. It's even sorrier that you can't see that.
you are just jelous:P and btw that guy enes isnt in bob.if ships had that stuff they deserve it. and scorp dont only drops 10mil max if you are lucky maybe those in venal.
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Logan Feynman
Legio Ancientis
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:24:00 -
[271]
Originally by: Fara'a I'm not really sure if the analogy with bank politics aplies here. I mean, it was the GM, thus a person that lost the modules, and was punished with a quick wtfpwnd and lost his job, and I don't think any bank would have any right to claim any property lost in this manner. That GM didn't 'transfer' the loot to those players, he lost the 'stolen' good, so the correct step from CCP would be to offer a reward to those that have their goods, and say: sorry guys, we had an internal teft, here's something for those stuff, we unfortunately can't let you keep.
They deserve at least something for the nerves they lost ... imagine someone tells you you won the lottery. Then they tell you to give it back, it was an illegal lottery, and one of you few that bought the ticket gets arrested then released without apology.
Originally by: Marvin the Paranoid Android You live and learn. At any rate, you live.
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EnEs TaLuNdZiC
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:25:00 -
[272]
Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 04/08/2006 17:22:01
Originally by: EnEs TaLuNdZiC
Originally by: Down Range OK, so I read the whole thread.
Let me get this straight. A GM spawned gear illegally. Gear worth more than most corps have ever seen. You guys kill him and then hide the loot. Real GMs come in and clean up.
And you want the money/loot back? ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME?
No god damned way. Maybe a few million isk. Say 5 for each guy that was on the kill mail. But NO WAY should a player be given isk to match the loot that he "earned". No one earned that isk. Thats the problem in the first place.
No way should fix or bob or anyone else get billions of isk for this little drama.
I have no problem with all of them getting something. Maybe even a little event item badge or something. But you guys didn't EARN ****. You killed a scorp. How much could you really expect, under normal circumstances to get from a scorp? A couple million. Maybe 10 each. If you are really lucky. So if you get anything, thats all you should get.
Sorry, it's not fair to the rest of us that you guys want to cheat like the GM did. It's even sorrier that you can't see that.
I'm sorry to see that an ALT GM is posting
Give US THE ISK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I posted Previously, I don't care How the ISK got into the game. WE want IT!!!!!!!!
You shouldnt have mods that were not supposed to be in the game in the first place.
What if the GM had a full rack of Test XL Tachyons? (A gun which rapes everything and fits on anything).
You shouldnt get the loot or any of the ISK that would have come from it, instead, maybe 10M isk for everyone thats on the kill mail.
OK
Let's take this the hard way then, here's an example out of the REAL WORLD
Get those JEWS oout PALESTINA; because they have nothing to do down there, Their only claim is that once upon a time in a fairy book called the Holy Bibble or some other book of revelations gives them the right to claim a huge patch of land on someone elses behalf.
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SolSniper
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:26:00 -
[273]
Edited by: SolSniper on 04/08/2006 17:26:42 um wow... lets not bring RL into this. That was kind of a mean post. And history class never hurt anyone
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:28:00 -
[274]
Edited by: voogru on 04/08/2006 17:28:47
Originally by: EnEs TaLuNdZiC
Get those JEWS oout PALESTINA; because they have nothing to do down there, Their only claim is that once upon a time in a fairy book called the Holy Bibble or some other book of revelations gives them the right to claim a huge patch of land on someone elses behalf.
Originally by: EnEs TaLuNdZiC
Originally by: SolSniper Edited by: SolSniper on 04/08/2006 17:26:42 um wow... lets not bring RL into this. That was kind of a mean post. And history class never hurt anyone
Let's have another REAL WORLD EXMAPLE
Why did those JEWS get that huge patch of land down there Anyone ? please enlighten me , and i will enlighten you!
This is where I stop feeding the troll.
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EnEs TaLuNdZiC
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:28:00 -
[275]
Originally by: SolSniper Edited by: SolSniper on 04/08/2006 17:26:42 um wow... lets not bring RL into this. That was kind of a mean post. And history class never hurt anyone
Let's have another REAL WORLD EXMAPLE
Why did those JEWS get that huge patch of land down there Anyone ? please enlighten me , and i will enlighten you!
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Tyganus Hrvatska
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:29:00 -
[276]
yep--guys are right..if so as anyone from ccp can come in game...put all attributes up..take many modules as he wants be all brave he wants and when he get killed u can say oooo..we apologize it was mistake to fire him her..he did wrong ..bla bla bla....and the guys who did the kill will be banned again or worse..maybe next time u will in ccp be silent about that and no one will know what happened....whats from stopping u then..give them their isks they deserved....and thats all u need to do....and be more carefull next time...
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Kiel Vhrok
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:30:00 -
[277]
can we get this enes guy banned too plz?
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:31:00 -
[278]
Originally by: voogru You shouldnt have mods that were not supposed to be in the game in the first place.
What if the GM had a full rack of Test XL Tachyons? (A gun which rapes everything and fits on anything).
You shouldnt get the loot or any of the ISK that would have come from it, instead, maybe 10M isk for everyone thats on the kill mail.
You mean, like, oh I dunno, maybe a tech 4 mining laser?
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Estelle Matsuko
Caldari Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:31:00 -
[279]
Tyganus, either you are an alt of enes or you went to the same school of spelling
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EnEs TaLuNdZiC
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:32:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Tyganus Hrvatska yep--guys are right..if so as anyone from ccp can come in game...put all attributes up..take many modules as he wants be all brave he wants and when he get killed u can say oooo..we apologize it was mistake to fire him her..he did wrong ..bla bla bla....and the guys who did the kill will be banned again or worse..maybe next time u will in ccp be silent about that and no one will know what happened....whats from stopping u then..give them their isks they deserved....and thats all u need to do....and be more carefull next time...
Yes I agree with you, SOLD, ISK recieved, /me HAPPY PUPPY
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EnEs TaLuNdZiC
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:33:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Estelle Matsuko Tyganus, either you are an alt of enes or you went to the same school of spelling
Why don't you go and play with the rest of the ASIAN community on the CHINESE SERVER?
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Selak
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:34:00 -
[282]
Can I get a lil bit of attenton here. Ill fire away one question to all you guys. Im just curious, nothing more, nothing less. What would happen if this scorp actually killed those 5 campers? Think about it.
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Estelle Matsuko
Caldari Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:35:00 -
[283]
Originally by: EnEs TaLuNdZiC
Originally by: Estelle Matsuko Tyganus, either you are an alt of enes or you went to the same school of spelling
Why don't you go and play with the rest of the ASIAN community on the CHINESE SERVER?
Ahhh the dulcet tones of a bigot moving one pace closer to a ban. Bravo.
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EnEs TaLuNdZiC
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:35:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Selak Can I get a lil bit of attenton here. Ill fire away one question to all you guys. Im just curious, nothing more, nothing less. What would happen if this scorp actually killed those 5 campers? Think about it.
WE WOULD RECIEVE AN APOLOGY FROM CCP AND A ***** u guzicu!!!!! According to their policies
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EnEs TaLuNdZiC
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:35:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Kiel Vhrok can we get this enes guy banned too plz?
Get me banned for what?
For taking care of my interests and not yours ?
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Badboy Geezer
Grasshoopers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:39:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Kiel Vhrok can we get this enes guy banned too plz?
what for? if he doesnt like jews its not your problem, is it?
and enes, stop it now cos you're getting out of line with all this. we know you are mad cos ccp prolly wont give you what you deserve but keep it cool
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:40:00 -
[287]
Enes, please stop with the spam, it's not achieving anything.
You're not gonna get any isk, all I think most of us, for myself anyway, want is for Ender to apologise to Hazad and that will be the end of it.
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Selak
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:41:00 -
[288]
Originally by: Badboy Geezer
Originally by: Kiel Vhrok can we get this enes guy banned too plz?
what for? if he doesnt like jews its not your problem, is it?
and enes, stop it now cos you're getting out of line with all this. we know you are mad cos ccp prolly wont give you what you deserve but keep it cool
there's a point ;)
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SolSniper
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:43:00 -
[289]
Ok I will end this now.
Well since CCP has there items back no one will get anything for it. We can now all ***** and complain but no compensation will be given. As for an apology I doubt one will be given. Since CCP has had enough time today to post a formal apology. SO this thread is usless and you might as well give up.
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Viper ShizzIe
Caldari R-U-OK
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:43:00 -
[290]
Can I have your stuff?
(Sorry, I had to)
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Master Chaot
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:43:00 -
[291]
i think it's quite simple CCP should apologize to the whole community and reinstate hazads account immediatly, besides that a gtc for him wouldn't be to much in my opinnion...
it is only the GMs fault and since he was hired by CCP it's CCPs fault aswell. nobody else is responsible in anyway especially not hazad who has done nothing wrong and did not refuse cooperation.
any critics about how ccp dealt with the situation should not be seen as an insult and taken seriously instead to avoid that things like this can happen again in the future!
bringin up statements like the bank thingie is really out of relation here.
so please ccp apologize and remove the ban on hazad he does not deserve this... so some of us could have faith in you again then.
also there is still no explanation why the post of my friend empero was removed from this thread where he just wrote what happened during the gang action...
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:45:00 -
[292]
I've got the perfect idea. It's fair to all parties involved.
Unban Hazad.
Ban Enes.
Everyone happy!
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SolSniper
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:46:00 -
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I posted earlier that Hazads account has been unbanned
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Ruffryder1167
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Illiya I seriously wish I understood why we're not allowed to discuss GM decisions here. Hypothetical situation, if a ruling goes against me, and I feel it's unjust, why is it wrong to bring the issue before the community at large.
While CCP may be the overlords of the land, shouldn't we, the players, be allowed to at least form some sort of consensus as to whether something is just or not? As long as the OP is smack free, what exactly is the issue? Or are we supposed to assume that the GMs and the petition process is absolutely infallible at all times? It's not like there has never been a case where multiple GM decisions have directly contradicted one another.
Anyways, getting off my little soap box. I hope this gets straightened out, and if there is foul play a foot, I hope CCP at the very least reimburses any player ships lost while destroying this Scorp.
you took the words right out of my mouth. Dont fear me |
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Abdalion
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:47:00 -
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Resorting to RL hatemongering isn't acceptable.
Offending posts removed, re-opened. ___
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Red Six
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 17:56:00 -
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Dian - It was a Tech 5 Jovian Mining laser with a fancy name but yeah a good point. This is not the first time a GM has spawned uber items and gotten caught either. The whole Jovian invasion and mining laser 2 fiasco came about because of the first incident.
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Hazad Barud
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Hazad Barud on 04/08/2006 18:07:02 me...
better call it quits guys...
i think we deserve a little something , but we are no tgoing to get it.
i feel sry for the guy that got sacked.
ccp did both well and bad. i am not just sure HOW good or how bad they did.
PS: so far i didnt post a single line, and i will not do in the future. only thing that keeps me in tha game are my alliance and corp m8's, which i wish to thank for the quick reaction.
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Fara'a
Legio Ancientis
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Abdalion Resorting to RL hatemongering isn't acceptable.
Offending posts removed, re-opened.
nice to see at least a Mod is watching. Any official response from GM's soon, or will this go on till forever?
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Abdalion
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Fara'a
Originally by: Abdalion Resorting to RL hatemongering isn't acceptable.
Offending posts removed, re-opened.
nice to see at least a Mod is watching. Any official response from GM's soon, or will this go on till forever?
What official response are you looking for?
It appears as though a GM lead has informed the community that this issue has been resolved.
If individuals feel as though they are owed something out of this, they can petition via normal channels instead of requesting anything on the forums. ___
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Fara'a
Originally by: Abdalion Resorting to RL hatemongering isn't acceptable.
Offending posts removed, re-opened.
nice to see at least a Mod is watching. Any official response from GM's soon, or will this go on till forever?
What official response are you looking for?
It appears as though a GM lead has informed the community that this issue has been resolved.
If individuals feel as though they are owed something out of this, they can petition via normal channels instead of requesting anything on the forums.
I think the community expects an apology from GM Ender for falsly accusing Hazad of non-cooperation, Abdalion. If you could please pass that on we'd appreciate it.
Cheers.
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:25:00 -
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Hazad should be reinstated as soon as possible. I understand the banning in order to seize the gear, even though I would have just let him have it...
That said, Hazad did right in refusing to cooperate initially... The whole thing was very fishy from the get go, if you have read the GM chat log, and Hazad did the right thing in challenging the first person who contacted him regarding this matter... After all, it could have been the guilty party trying to cover up his tracks, for example. Had he complied, the transgression might have gone unnoticed....
To me, this points to a lack of adequate judiciary process, rather than to Hazad's unwillingness to cooperate. From the log, it is CLEAR that Hazad was willing to cooperate if only he could get some validation from the GM over this claim... Ison's notches more notches |
Thora'n
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Stamm
Originally by: GM Ender While I am certainly not going to give out the name of the GM in question, as I feel that would be a total breach of anything resembling professionalism, I can tell you that it was none of the GM's mentioned above.
When I said that this GM was brand new, I meant that he was brand new. He was hired (and fired) after the dev blog quoted was written.
Lead GM Ender
Poor guy. I used to spawn myself a character to kill cheaters when I was a wizard. Then again that was 15 years ago and the game wasn't quite on the same level as Eve :P Then again I wasn't breaking the rules as none applied to me.
What game are you refering to where you spawned characters as a wizard?
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Abdalion
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic I think the community expects an apology from GM Ender for falsly accusing Hazad of non-cooperation, Abdalion. If you could please pass that on we'd appreciate it.
Cheers.
Sure will. ___
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.08.04 18:33:00 -
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I'm locking this topic. Lead GM Ender (can't get any higher in the GM team than him) has posted a recap of the events. The GM involved is no longer working at CCP. The items were removed from the game, Hazad's account has been reinstated and from the e-mail I just received from him, he is happy with the resolution and restitution he received for the ban.
To those asking for restitution for the modules looted, the items were created and brought into the game illegally, thus no restitution will be made. If you disagree with this stance, your alternative is to submit a petition. Creating a ruckus on the forums will not have a positive effect in any attempts to sway that stance.
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