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elitatwo Congregatio 308	Posted - 2014.09.19 23:45:00 - [1] - Quote In order to make this weapon system viable in all sizes for pvp again those explosion radius and velocity attributes need to go! No, - it will not be the end of EVE - it will not break the game - it will not solve the problems some players created - turrets have have zero to do with them - I do not want to join the CSM now or at any time - I am not joking - it is not up for discussion - you cannot have my stuff - I am not high - I will not change my mind for any amount of isk or solar systems Yes, - it can be quite powerful - it has counters - more than one - I know how the outcome will look like because I have been around for that long - before those attributes in question came - some changes to a handful of ships would need to be made - the benfits will be clear as soon as SiSi gets hit - you can ask me whatever might concern you - you can pm me Specific missile ranges that also need addressing: - Torpedos need a range increase of at least 100% of the current battleship level (Raven) - stealth bomber class ships would get cruise missiles instead of torpedos signature
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 420	Posted - 2014.09.19 23:45:02 - [2] - Quote In order to make this weapon system viable in all sizes for pvp again those explosion radius and velocity attributes need to go! No, - it will not be the end of EVE - it will not break the game - it will not solve the problems some players created - turrets have have zero to do with them - I do not want to join the CSM now or at any time - I am not joking - it is not up for discussion - you cannot have my stuff - I am not high - I will not change my mind for any amount of isk or solar systems Yes, - it can be quite powerful - it has counters - more than one - I know how the outcome will look like because I have been around for that long - before those attributes in question came - some changes to a handful of ships would need to be made - the benfits will be clear as soon as SiSi gets hit - you can ask me whatever might concern you - you can pm me Specific missile ranges that also need addressing: - Torpedos need a range increase of at least 100% of the current battleship level (Raven) - stealth bomber class ships would get cruise missiles instead of torpedos signature
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 2926	Posted - 2014.09.20 01:04:00 - [3] - Quote To clarify, are you asking that every type of missile be able to apply full damage to everything it can hit?
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 2980	Posted - 2014.09.20 01:04:07 - [4] - Quote To clarify, are you asking that every type of missile be able to apply full damage to everything it can hit?
elitatwo Congregatio 308	Posted - 2014.09.20 01:39:00 - [5] - Quote That is actually not what is going to happen. Let me take the Drake as an example of a missile boat. Let her also have heavy missiles. Let us assume that we got those attributes removed and we are shooting at shield fitted navy hurricane. For this example let's imagine the six launchers on the Drake are loaded with mjolnir missiles (used to be thunderbolt) and your launchers are grouped. Now the Drake fires her first volley* and the navy hurricane has you in her crosshairs at 15km. The volley that the six launchers add up to a total damage of 1100 hp EM damage (rounded guessed value). Being EVE that it is, the hurricane pilot is experienced in fitting a hurricane and has a medium neut and a rapid light launcher fitted. Of course he cannot stand Drakes and shoots back. Taking tech 2 fittings into account he will propably have fitted his ship to have an EM resistance of let's say 64%. Now a little math ( sorry), 1100 x (1 - 0.64) = 396. The combat 'log' will now show that the Drake hits you for 396hp EM damage. But hold on, why did I babble something about that terrible desicion of the hurricane pilot to fit a rapid launcher instead of another medium neut?? Sounds silly, right? Imagine that hurricane pilot was indeed knowing what he was doing and that rapid light launcher had defender missiles loaded that he was also shooting. Defender missiles do not need a target lock to do anything, so you can just press 'F2' to start spamming. Back to my Drake vs navy hurricane fight example, assume 2 heavy missiles were shot down from the rapid launchers defender missiles which would result in a total damage taken of 261hp EM damage. Look at that, those pesky heavy missiles do not look so scary as they looked just a minute ago. By the way, if you repeat that fight now on SiSi the 'log' of that same fight will show you values in the range of 'heavy missile hits for 96 damage...' And to answer your question, yes I do want full application all the time. Take another example how my Drake here will fare against a Taranis with links n such. Let the Taranis be 45km away from the Drake, the Drake in persuit of the Taranis. The Drake with a meta 3 mwd goes 1000m/s, the Taranis goes about 5200km. If the flight time of heavy missiles do not change they will try to follow and hit the Taranis for 15 seconds (I think, need to look that up). The Taranis pilot doesn't like his odds here and flies in a straight line away from the Drake. He can warp of, but let's assume he doesn't. I know the speed of heavy missiles is in the range of 5000m/s (need to look that up too). Being at that range, my missile first need to accelerate to 5000m/s and as they should fly in the direction of that Taranis. But as luck will have it, the missiles run out of (flight) time before they ever reach the Taranis and he now realizes that he can just warp away. signature
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 420	Posted - 2014.09.20 01:39:59 - [6] - Quote That is actually not what is going to happen. Let me take the Drake as an example of a missile boat. Let her also have heavy missiles. Let us assume that we got those attributes removed and we are shooting at shield fitted navy hurricane. For this example let's imagine the six launchers on the Drake are loaded with mjolnir missiles (used to be thunderbolt) and your launchers are grouped. Now the Drake fires her first volley* and the navy hurricane has you in her crosshairs at 15km. The volley that the six launchers add up to a total damage of 1100 hp EM damage (rounded guessed value). Being EVE that it is, the hurricane pilot is experienced in fitting a hurricane and has a medium neut and a rapid light launcher fitted. Of course he cannot stand Drakes and shoots back. Taking tech 2 fittings into account he will propably have fitted his ship to have an EM resistance of let's say 64%. Now a little math ( sorry), 1100 x (1 - 0.64) = 396. The combat 'log' will now show that the Drake hits you for 396hp EM damage. But hold on, why did I babble something about that terrible desicion of the hurricane pilot to fit a rapid launcher instead of another medium neut?? Sounds silly, right? Imagine that hurricane pilot was indeed knowing what he was doing and that rapid light launcher had defender missiles loaded that he was also shooting. Defender missiles do not need a target lock to do anything, so you can just press 'F2' to start spamming. Back to my Drake vs navy hurricane fight example, assume 2 heavy missiles were shot down from the rapid launchers defender missiles which would result in a total damage taken of 261hp EM damage. Look at that, those pesky heavy missiles do not look so scary as they looked just a minute ago. By the way, if you repeat that fight now on SiSi the 'log' of that same fight will show you values in the range of 'heavy missile hits for 96 damage...' And to answer your question, yes I do want full application all the time. Take another example how my Drake here will fare against a Taranis with links n such. Let the Taranis be 45km away from the Drake, the Drake in persuit of the Taranis. The Drake with a meta 3 mwd goes 1000m/s, the Taranis goes about 5200km. If the flight time of heavy missiles do not change they will try to follow and hit the Taranis for 15 seconds (I think, need to look that up). The Taranis pilot doesn't like his odds here and flies in a straight line away from the Drake. He can warp of, but let's assume he doesn't. I know the speed of heavy missiles is in the range of 5000m/s (need to look that up too). Being at that range, my missile first need to accelerate to 5000m/s and as they should fly in the direction of that Taranis. But as luck will have it, the missiles run out of (flight) time before they ever reach the Taranis and he now realizes that he can just warp away. signature
Lykouleon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1448	Posted - 2014.09.20 02:28:00 - [7] - Quote No. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
elitatwo Congregatio 308	Posted - 2014.09.20 02:30:00 - [8] - Quote Lykouleon wrote: No. That is why you are not allowed to vote.. signature
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 2928	Posted - 2014.09.20 13:17:00 - [9] - Quote Well, giving a phoenix upwards of 90k alpha against every target in the game would be...different I suppose. Now, nobody uses defender missiles because they simply do not work effectively. Nor can you say missiles would be balanced entirely around interceptors being able to outrun them. If the drake had the taranis at 0, fired caldari navy scourge, which travel at slightly over 6km/s with my skills, then the taranis would be destroyed in a single hit. Given that no other weapon system completely ignores the size of your targets, why should missiles?
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 2980	Posted - 2014.09.20 13:17:49 - [10] - Quote Well, giving a phoenix upwards of 90k alpha against every target in the game would be...different I suppose. Now, nobody uses defender missiles because they simply do not work effectively. Nor can you say missiles would be balanced entirely around interceptors being able to outrun them. If the drake had the taranis at 0, fired caldari navy scourge, which travel at slightly over 6km/s with my skills, then the taranis would be destroyed in a single hit. Given that no other weapon system completely ignores the size of your targets, why should missiles?

Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6195	Posted - 2014.09.20 13:21:00 - [11] - Quote lol what the hell is this? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
Iain Cariaba 346	Posted - 2014.09.20 15:35:00 - [12] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: lol what the hell is this? That is someone with no apparent clue on how missiles truly work coming up with ideas on how to fix them. OP has had a spree of poorly conceived ideas trying to fix things that aren't broken. Suspect OP's buddy decided to stop playing and gave OP his account, as no 2006 player should be as clueless as OP appears to be. Either that, or OP is troll. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem.
elitatwo Congregatio 311	Posted - 2014.09.20 16:38:00 - [13] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: lol what the hell is this? That is someone with no apparent clue on how missiles truly work coming up with ideas on how to fix them. OP has had a spree of poorly conceived ideas trying to fix things that aren't broken. Suspect OP's buddy decided to stop playing and gave OP his account, as no 2006 player should be as clueless as OP appears to be. Either that, or OP is troll. Careful what you say.. signature
elitatwo Congregatio 311	Posted - 2014.09.20 16:55:00 - [14] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Well, giving a phoenix upwards of 90k alpha against every target in the game would be...different I suppose. Now, nobody uses defender missiles because they simply do not work effectively. Nor can you say missiles would be balanced entirely around interceptors being able to outrun them. If the drake had the taranis at 0, fired caldari navy scourge, which travel at slightly over 6km/s with my skills, then the taranis would be destroyed in a single hit. Given that no other weapon system completely ignores the size of your targets, why should missiles? Tough luck I suppose. As far as I have seen no Taranis is alone in space and it was a fictional example that this will not be the end of things. Yep and Moros that haz 100.000 alpha is fine, yes. Have recently seen a Leviathan that was shooting a few citadel torpedos? You should try dat out, you can speedtank them right now in a super. Maybe the kids should not use dreadnought class ships to run level 2 missions in lolsec. I cannot understand that noone else wants the power back that was taken from us. What I do understand is a bunch of worrier carebears that don't want to deal with challenges. I say this is important and I have said so many, many times in the past. This is no different. Let someone run values if you do not believe me. I know from experience that it will not be as bad as you think it will be. signature
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 420	Posted - 2014.09.20 16:55:46 - [15] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Well, giving a phoenix upwards of 90k alpha against every target in the game would be...different I suppose. Now, nobody uses defender missiles because they simply do not work effectively. Nor can you say missiles would be balanced entirely around interceptors being able to outrun them. If the drake had the taranis at 0, fired caldari navy scourge, which travel at slightly over 6km/s with my skills, then the taranis would be destroyed in a single hit. Given that no other weapon system completely ignores the size of your targets, why should missiles? Tough luck I suppose. As far as I have seen no Taranis is alone in space and it was a fictional example that this will not be the end of things. Yep and Moros that haz 100.000 alpha is fine, yes. Have recently seen a Leviathan that was shooting a few citadel torpedos? You should try dat out, you can speedtank them right now in a super. Maybe the kids should not use dreadnought class ships to run level 2 missions in lolsec. I cannot understand that noone else wants the power back that was taken from us. {{Redacted personal attack. -- ISD LackOfFaith}} I say this is important and I have said so many, many times in the past. This is no different. Let someone run values if you do not believe me. I know from experience that it will not be as bad as you think it will be. signature
Iain Cariaba 348	Posted - 2014.09.20 17:45:00 - [16] - Quote elitatwo wrote: As far as I have seen no Taranis is alone in space and it was a fictional example that this will not be the end of things. The fact that you have not seen this further shows you haven't been playing for foe as long as that toon has been around. Regardless, the fact that you have not seen this does nothing to reduce its validity as an example. elitatwo wrote: Yep and Moros that haz 100.000 alpha is fine, yes. Yes, it is, because tracking speed means that 100k alpha can't hit anything with even a moderate transversal speed. elitatwo wrote: Have recently seen a Leviathan that was shooting a few citadel torpedos? You should try dat out, you can speedtank them right now in a super. So with your idea, that Leviathan would be able to apply its massive firepower to frigates. Why? Because explosion velocity and explosion radius are the missile form of a gun's tracking speed. elitatwo wrote: I cannot understand that noone else wants the power back that was taken from us. What I do understand is a bunch of worrier carebears that don't want to deal with challenges. What you want is not a return of some lost immaginary power that was allegedly taken from you. What you want would make missiles so overpowered that it would be suicide to use anything else in the game. Calling those who don't disagree with you "carebears that don't want to deal with challenges" makes about as much sense as trying to put lasers on a Drake. Oh, wait... Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem.
Iain Cariaba 599	Posted - 2014.09.20 17:45:52 - [17] - Quote elitatwo wrote: As far as I have seen no Taranis is alone in space and it was a fictional example that this will not be the end of things. The fact that you have not seen this further shows you haven't been playing for foe as long as that toon has been around. Regardless, the fact that you have not seen this does nothing to reduce its validity as an example. elitatwo wrote: Yep and Moros that haz 100.000 alpha is fine, yes. Yes, it is, because tracking speed means that 100k alpha can't hit anything with even a moderate transversal speed. elitatwo wrote: Have recently seen a Leviathan that was shooting a few citadel torpedos? You should try dat out, you can speedtank them right now in a super. So with your idea, that Leviathan would be able to apply its massive firepower to frigates. Why? Because explosion velocity and explosion radius are the missile form of a gun's tracking speed. elitatwo wrote: I cannot understand that noone else wants the power back that was taken from us. {{Redacted personal attack. -- ISD LackOfFaith}} What you want is not a return of some lost immaginary power that was allegedly taken from you. What you want would make missiles so overpowered that it would be suicide to use anything else in the game. Calling those who don't disagree with you "{{Redacted personal attack. -- ISD LackOfFaith}}" makes about as much sense as trying to put lasers on a Drake. Oh, wait... EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
Iain Cariaba 348	Posted - 2014.09.20 17:46:00 - [18] - Quote elitatwo wrote: I say this is important and I have said so many, many times in the past. This is no different. Well, I say the sky is lemon yellow. Guess what, we're both equally correct. elitatwo wrote: Let someone run values if you do not believe me. I know from experience that it will not be as bad as you think it will be. How could you possibly have experience that missiles with no explosion velocity or radius would not be as bad as we think? Where ever you got that experience wasn't on EvE. Maybe you should go back to that game and give your buddy back his account. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem.
Iain Cariaba 599	Posted - 2014.09.20 17:46:42 - [19] - Quote elitatwo wrote: I say this is important and I have said so many, many times in the past. This is no different. Well, I say the sky is lemon yellow. Guess what, we're both equally correct. elitatwo wrote: Let someone run values if you do not believe me. I know from experience that it will not be as bad as you think it will be. How could you possibly have experience that missiles with no explosion velocity or radius would not be as bad as we think? Where ever you got that experience wasn't on EvE. {{Redacted personal attack. -- ISD LackOfFaith}} EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 2928	Posted - 2014.09.20 18:00:00 - [20] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: lol what the hell is this? A troll thread.

elitatwo Congregatio 311	Posted - 2014.09.20 18:04:00 - [21] - Quote Son, I do not ususally respond to npcs since it is pointless. But I am telling you again that you should be very, very careful what you claim. I am using missiles since eigth hours of what was called the tutorial back then. At my first day I began with 50.000 skillpoints and tried out all weapon systems there were on my gifted Merlin. Regardless of wether I comment on the 'slight' increase of viewers of eveboard or not that is the reason I still have small autocannons at one. My two launcher Merlin was what I was looking for. The day you started, you had more skillpoints than I did at that time. signature
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 420	Posted - 2014.09.20 18:04:38 - [22] - Quote Son, I do not ususally respond to npcs since it is pointless. But I am telling you again that you should be very, very careful what you claim. I am using missiles since eigth hours of what was called the tutorial back then. At my first day I began with 50.000 skillpoints and tried out all weapon systems there were on my gifted Merlin. Regardless of wether I comment on the 'slight' increase of viewers of eveboard or not that is the reason I still have small autocannons at one. My two launcher Merlin was what I was looking for. The day you started, you had more skillpoints than I did at that time. signature
elitatwo Congregatio 311	Posted - 2014.09.20 18:06:00 - [23] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: lol what the hell is this? A troll thread. If and when I am not really serious, you can figure this out very quickly. signature
Iain Cariaba 348	Posted - 2014.09.20 18:55:00 - [24] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Son, I do not ususally respond to npcs since it is pointless. But I am telling you again that you should be very, very careful what you claim. I am using missiles since eigth hours of what was called the tutorial back then. At my first day I began with 50.000 skillpoints and tried out all weapon systems there were on my gifted Merlin. Regardless of wether I comment on the 'slight' increase of viewers of eveboard or not that is the reason I still have small autocannons at one. My two launcher Merlin was what I was looking for. The day you started, you had more skillpoints than I did at that time. Yep, the fact you are rapidly losing this discussion must bring out the fact that I am between corps at this moment, as if because I temporarily find myself in NPC corp that I am invalid. Funny how no one else in the many threads I have been involved in has pointed that out. Then again, I try not to post drivel about topics I have no knowledge in. You go right ahead and use my time between corps to justify in your own mind that what I say has no value. That is also twice that you have obliquely implied some sort of threat towards me that I should be careful? So what if I say you are wrong, or say you are not who you claim to be. Am I, in my terrible NPCness, that much of a threat to your immagined forum superiority? Besides, there is not a thing you can do about it. As for experience with missiles. I played this game for 6 months to learn the system before making this toon, and from minute one was focused in missiles. With the exception of the capital missiles, there is not a missile system in this game I cannot use, and use well due to all missile support skills at 5. I eventually got to the point where I found missiles lacking, and branched out into guns. Bottom line is this. Because you make the choice to restrict your play options does not make a valid argument for changing the way missiles have worked for at least the last 7 years. If you're that unhappy with the game mechanics, do what all the rest of the entitlement carebear set does and unsub, please. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem.
Iain Cariaba 599	Posted - 2014.09.20 18:55:14 - [25] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Son, I do not ususally respond to npcs since it is pointless. But I am telling you again that you should be very, very careful what you claim. I am using missiles since eigth hours of what was called the tutorial back then. At my first day I began with 50.000 skillpoints and tried out all weapon systems there were on my gifted Merlin. Regardless of wether I comment on the 'slight' increase of viewers of eveboard or not that is the reason I still have small autocannons at one. My two launcher Merlin was what I was looking for. The day you started, you had more skillpoints than I did at that time. Yep, the fact you are rapidly losing this discussion must bring out the fact that I am between corps at this moment, as if because I temporarily find myself in NPC corp that I am invalid. Funny how no one else in the many threads I have been involved in has pointed that out. Then again, I try not to post drivel about topics I have no knowledge in. You go right ahead and use my time between corps to justify in your own mind that what I say has no value. That is also twice that you have obliquely implied some sort of threat towards me that I should be careful? So what if I say you are wrong, or say you are not who you claim to be. Am I, in my terrible NPCness, that much of a threat to your immagined forum superiority? Besides, there is not a thing you can do about it. As for experience with missiles. I played this game for 6 months to learn the system before making this toon, and from minute one was focused in missiles. With the exception of the capital missiles, there is not a missile system in this game I cannot use, and use well due to all missile support skills at 5. I eventually got to the point where I found missiles lacking, and branched out into guns. Bottom line is this. Because you make the choice to restrict your play options does not make a valid argument for changing the way missiles have worked for at least the last 7 years. {{Redacted personal attack. -- ISD LackOfFaith}} EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.

ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1642	Posted - 2014.09.21 03:42:00 - [26] - Quote Locked for some cleanup work. Personal attacks are bad, mmkay? ISD LackOfFaith Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.

ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1784	Posted - 2014.09.21 03:42:13 - [27] - Quote Quote: 2. Be respectful toward others at all times. The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others. 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not conductive to the community spirit that CCP promotes. As such, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated. 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. 23. Post constructively. Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting. Cleaned up the thread as per the above rules. Please stay civil, constructive, and on-topic. Mature discussions that do not devolve into slap fights are encouraged. > ISD LackOfFaith > Captain > Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) > Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.
Duchess Starbuckington Starbuckington Manor 301	Posted - 2014.09.24 13:21:00 - [28] - Quote So the two counters to pwnmobile insta-kill Drakes and Ravens are... being in a fast enough interceptor and defenders that barely work even at the best of times. Yeeeeeeah. Either this is a troll or you really, really haven't thought through how absurdly overpowered this would make cruiser+ missiles. I can already see myself doing absolutely horridly broken things in a Torp Raven with no damage reductions vs smaller targets... Edit: wait, a torp Raven? Hell no, why bother with that when I could fit cruise and be a 250KM death-sphere to anything smaller than a BS.
Duchess Starbuckington Starbuckington Manor 305	Posted - 2014.09.24 13:21:28 - [29] - Quote So the two counters to pwnmobile insta-kill Drakes and Ravens are... being in a fast enough interceptor and defenders that barely work even at the best of times. Yeeeeeeah. Either this is a troll or you really, really haven't thought through how absurdly overpowered this would make cruiser+ missiles. I can already see myself doing absolutely horridly broken things in a Torp Raven with no damage reductions vs smaller targets... Edit: wait, a torp Raven? Hell no, why bother with that when I could fit cruise and be a 250KM death-sphere to anything smaller than a BS.
Dia'Sarbator Barren Asteroid Research Corp 1	Posted - 2014.10.09 21:45:00 - [30] - Quote Duchess Starbuckington wrote: So the two counters to pwnmobile insta-kill Drakes and Ravens are... being in a fast enough interceptor and defenders that barely work even at the best of times. Yeeeeeeah. Either this is a troll or you really, really haven't thought through how absurdly overpowered this would make cruiser+ missiles. I can already see myself doing absolutely horridly broken things in a Torp Raven with no damage reductions vs smaller targets... Edit: wait, a torp Raven? Hell no, why bother with that when I could fit cruise and be a 250KM death-sphere to anything smaller than a BS. Honestly speaking ... Missles just need a 15 ish % boast in raw dmg across the board for a couple of reasons... #1 They have a delayed Alpha that needs to be made up for #2 They never have the ability of applying their full Damage. 15 % ish should bring them a lot closer to where gunnery is.



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