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Nukeitall	Posted - 2006.08.06 03:37:00 - [91] I'm probably coming off as a..'suck up', but.. Red Alliance has some of the most determined pilots I've ever seen - even in the face of overwhelming odds and a continual information warfare from various sources. My compliments, if they mean anything. (Granted I've never seen them in battle, but I've read enough posts for long enough to get the gist of what is mostly going on.) --------- >>Disclaimer: Anything Nukeitall says is not to be taken seriously. Mostly.
Rax Kon	Posted - 2006.08.06 05:32:00 - [92] Originally by: Rax Kon Post with your main! If this is your main - read the Forum Rules to find out how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu That is so wrong this is my main. you delete my posts leaving a forum rule of no alts? look at what toon is training on this account this one because its my main. he is in a noob corp because im training his learning skills then joining a corp. Serathu you may want to do your job better.
Dragerest Total Warehouse Logistics Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.06 05:46:00 - [93] Rax Kon read the rules again: if you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:08:00 - [94] TBH, given what they are up against, it is a given that RA will eventually "lose". However, given the losses inflicted upon those that have ganged up against them, I'd say they are doing quite well under the circumstances. The fact that the Coalition is taking such heavy losses speaks volumes about RA.
Puncher BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:15:00 - [95] Keep givin'em hell RA...
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:25:00 - [96] Originally by: Goktar illiat Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: Goktar illiat hehe you utterly despise someone from a rumour ? nice work RA ! Rumour? Right. RA themselves are proud that they use these kind of tactics so you're either clueless or a fierce brown noser. neither. you just wrote you despised them from a ->supposed<- use of game mechanics. You do understand right ? I fought aginst RA myself and it is not "supposed" it is the following: -RA abuse the logon log off mechanism. -RA use tons of WCS on their ships. -RA run complexes on daily basis with logon traps to stop any one else from stopping them to run the plex. No one who plays the game right and is not a 2 time griefer would ever respect these kind of tactics sicne they are all based on exploitation and once they get nerfed RA Will Disband. Anyway RA wacked Tons of Coaltion ships by the looks of it so congrats for that victory although i would say that the lag was the one who dealt the final blow but thats something we all go through so it was a victory for RA never the less. "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:14:00 - [97] heh funny that even with ascn coalition still takes tons of losses and smacks like crazy on the forums. You guys make yourselves look like such whinny little prats on the forums. In rust we trust!!!
Fargas Minmatar RUS Academy Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:17:00 - [98] yesterday coalition forces left c-j6 klik, .... davno pora
WARPIG3 DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:18:00 - [99] Originally by: c0rn1 Edited by: c0rn1 on 05/08/2006 22:17:10 Edited by: c0rn1 on 05/08/2006 22:15:00 For the strong BoB guys in here. We could give you a 1 week vacation in C-J if you want to and you can try your best there. If you are successful, RA can rebuild the towers again and we go on. IF RA is successful defending it, they can have Delve. But just to give you a small hint how it is trying to kill POSs which always come out of reinforcement at your lowest game time and strongest for RA. Shields are boosted in 30 mins with 6 carriers. NP and after DT stron is refueled. 8 hardeners are not a rare at RA POSs. If you want a try, contact me. I will convince the coalition of a 1 week ceasefire with RA so you can have a challenge. regards P.S.: This is a game. and a game demands challenges. Are you up for it? Is that an invite to BOB to join the Coalition. to help yall take out RA. Cause yall are't getting the job done? 10,000 VS 870 not anough?
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:27:00 - [100] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel I fought aginst RA myself and it is not "supposed" it is the following: -RA abuse the logon log off mechanism. -RA use tons of WCS on their ships. -RA run complexes on daily basis with logon traps to stop any one else from stopping them to run the plex. No one who plays the game right and is not a 2 time griefer would ever respect these kind of tactics sicne they are all based on exploitation and once they get nerfed RA Will Disband. Anyway RA wacked Tons of Coaltion ships by the looks of it so congrats for that victory although i would say that the lag was the one who dealt the final blow but thats something we all go through so it was a victory for RA never the less. Respect? Funny to hear from the Coalition who fights 15 to 1 about respect and honesty... Furthermore Coalition loses battle after battle even have great numbers advantage over it's rival... It offends Coalition... Leave RA their space and sign a NAP, so RA will do plexes in their own territory and will not bother urs... ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry

Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:43:00 - [101] Originally by: Obivan Efa Stuff So many alliances and corps have piled aginst just out of the fact they hate their play style which is based on exploitation that earns them victory after victory in several battels ! "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Vex Seraphim Gallente Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:49:00 - [102] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Obivan Efa Stuff So many alliances and corps have piled aginst just out of the fact they hate their play style which is based on exploitation that earns them victory after victory in several battels ! ^^ i've got one word for you: Bandwagon.
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:57:00 - [103] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel So many alliances and corps have piled aginst just out of the fact they hate their play style which is based on exploitation that earns them victory after victory in several battels ! Exploits? If it so ask Dev's fix it... I remember days of drone exploits - a lot of exploits with Drone-to-POS and Drone-to-BLOB-Lag... that was exploits.. Look at RA's movies at movie section with Capitalship fights and so on and u will see fair fights and respectfull victories... I'm sick of exploits talks...It's all seems like lame excuse... ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
Isabel Sweet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.06 08:22:00 - [104] I was there not in big battle hours but in skirmishes hours. fought some small engagements , escaped at least 4 times when i should be dead (primary in inty by the sniper fleet of RA priceless - if i was not drunk i would be wet in my pants), killed a RA alt. What i saw. RA is good, coordinated, commited. I am lookin foward to learn more from you. Rest is fun. Get used to it. :D. Now stop forum whoring and get in space to kill eachother.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 08:48:00 - [105] Originally by: Obivan Efa Exploits? If it so ask Dev's fix it... The WCS nerf will be the start Mr Fanboi and then we will see how it goes from there and how RA's Kill loss ratio will be . "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Sean Dillon Caldari Shadows of the Dead Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.06 08:53:00 - [106] Edited by: Sean Dillon on 06/08/2006 08:53:58 Your forgetting to mention the losses from n-real yesterday and 28- 2 days before. Those battles were a loss for ra.
Burzhuj REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 09:01:00 - [107] WCS nerfed already, Interdictors...
Recco Mithril Inc Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.08.06 09:05:00 - [108] I just want to say a few things. since everyone is talking about lame tacktics and so on. R.A use log on/off kill few guys. [You can do this. there is nothing that say¦s otherwise] So they kill few off the Coalition. Coalition use numbers. Blob them to death and now you got ASCN to help you guys out. OMG how many now in the coaltion without ASCN. 7000 ? vs maybe 850 [in numbers not depending on how many online] and also with a few friendly corp¦s on both side.. Tell me who use¦s the lame tacktics again.. As a former CWRA member and R.A im proud off my guys. Have fun and fly well. P.S. since everyone is reading this.. My opinion is that the "Coalition" cry¦s and cry¦s on the forums all the time when RED Alliance kick¦s there ass. ___________________________________ http://www.mithrilinc.com
Minevra Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:22:00 - [109] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Obivan Efa Exploits? If it so ask Dev's fix it... The WCS nerf will be the start Mr Fanboi and then we will see how it goes from there and how RA's Kill loss ratio will be . It will be lots of coalition frigs, intys, cruisers and so on ships kills. Btw how much frigs of RA coalition killed with 2+ wcs?
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:29:00 - [110] Originally by: Omniwar Lets say that RA killed all those ships, that would make them pretty good wouldnt it? Lets say the POS killed most of those ships, that would make RA's enemies pretty bad wouldnt it? Either way would make RA better and their enemies simply bad i think that's about it yeah :) Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...

Basilii Minmatar Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:30:00 - [111] so let me understand , Corn1 who is -v- alince diplomat invites bob to fight RA ? hmmmm it is pretty interesting since you surely not enought atm . 10000 vs 800 and you still loosing and still crying on forums for help . ra keep the good job .
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:32:00 - [112] Originally by: Obivan Efa Respect? Funny to hear from the Coalition who fights 15 to 1 about respect and honesty... . I find it surprising to see so many people hammer on the 15 vs 1 statistic while totally 'forgetting' the advantages a POS defender has here. With current POS mechanics and the proper timing (of strontium) I personally could keep an alliance like BoB occuppied shooting POS for at least a month. And that's just me and the POS then. If I were to be the CEO of a dedicated 50 man corp, that month would become a whole lot more painful for the attacker. Therefor my respect goes to the coalition who keep on trying despite the immense advantages a devoted POS alliance has here. To CCP: Randomize the Reinforced time please.
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:42:00 - [113] Originally by: Obivan Efa Respect? Funny to hear from the Coalition who fights 15 to 1 about respect and honesty... . I find it surprising to see so many people hammer on the 15 vs 1 statistic while totally 'forgetting' the advantages a POS defender has here. With current POS mechanics and the proper timing (of strontium) I personally could keep an alliance like BoB occuppied shooting POS for several weeks at least. And that's just me and the POS then. If I were to be the CEO of a dedicated 50 man corp, those few weeks would be extended considerably. Therefor my respect goes to the coalition who keep on trying despite the immense advantages a devoted POS alliance has here. It is clear the POS mechanics are not working out as intended and heavily favour the rich (# of POS) and (a few) devoted POS managers with alarmclocks. CCP: Randomize the Reinforced time.
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:06:00 - [114] Originally by: Aeon Yakati Originally by: Obivan Efa Respect? Funny to hear from the Coalition who fights 15 to 1 about respect and honesty... . I find it surprising to see so many people hammer on the 15 vs 1 statistic while totally 'forgetting' the advantages a POS defender has here. With current POS mechanics and the proper timing (of strontium) I personally could keep an alliance like BoB occuppied shooting POS for several weeks at least. And that's just me and the POS then. If I were to be the CEO of a dedicated 50 man corp, those few weeks would be extended considerably. Therefor my respect goes to the coalition who keep on trying despite the immense advantages a devoted POS alliance has here. It is clear the POS mechanics are not working out as intended and heavily favour the rich (# of POS) and (a few) devoted POS managers with alarmclocks. CCP: Randomize the Reinforced time. If you are such a big coalition fanboi, why did you leave -v- for BoB then? - BH
Soraya Silvermoon	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:11:00 - [115] Its a hard blow yes.. And its big losses and good job for RA.. If u want an explanation (not an excuse for losses): 1st battle: RA engage dreads at pos and support warp in in lag hell... on top of this TS server "mysteriously goes down" And Ra decimate whatever they can see as fleet is without command. the rest of the day: Coalition numbers are brought way down and fighting with a lot less numbers of bses against RA fleet, and RA pos under the circumstance of warp in lag. I personally lost a bs and I engaged 5 times. only once wich I were able to load ships n overview at location of battle. Anyway as I said its no excuse and it wount change anything neither the morale nor the outcome of the war. Anyways as stated earlier. game is unplayable with thouse kinds of battles.. CCP seriously need to take action.. either allocate server resources or make the game mechanics so that its possible to take down poses without having to rally such numbers. Lag dont discriminate. (except when warping into a pos and the fleet sit 10 mins in que to get shot by the pos in order to load a frame).
Basilii Minmatar Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:14:00 - [116] hmm pos wars. every alince in eve killed /killing pos's every day , everyone find his own way to defeat the enemy. and only poor coalition pilots cant do it . t2 tissue maybe give you ? or t2 toilet paper?
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:14:00 - [117] Originally by: Aeon Yakati I find it surprising to see so many people hammer on the 15 vs 1 statistic while totally 'forgetting' the advantages a POS defender has here. With current POS mechanics and the proper timing (of strontium) I personally could keep an alliance like BoB occuppied shooting POS for several weeks at least. And that's just me and the POS then. If I were to be the CEO of a dedicated 50 man corp, those few weeks would be extended considerably. Therefor my respect goes to the coalition who keep on trying despite the immense advantages a devoted POS alliance has here. It is clear the POS mechanics are not working out as intended and heavily favour the rich (# of POS) and (a few) devoted POS managers with alarmclocks. CCP: Randomize the Reinforced time. But this conflict lasts for a loooong time near a yaer as I know... And Coalition seting their POSs too and RA killing that POSs.. So what's the point? RA with 200+ active pilots can fight Coalition POSs but Coalition can't fight RA POSs even with much larger capital fleet? Maybe the key for victories in such war not the number of pilots but tactics and brain work? ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:24:00 - [118] I would really like to know how many large POS RA has killed in any major station system in the last 6 months.. 1? 2? None?
Jaabaa Prime Dental Drilling Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:30:00 - [119] The deaths at the POS at C-J6MT Planet II Moon 1 weren't exactly in the coalition's favour, oh well ** happens. A few words though about RA's tactics and how I personally assess them: --- 1) Logon, attack enemy ships, logoff and do something else with an alt. Valid tactic, who wants to sit in a station/POS for hours out numbered in local. Frustation level: 4/10 --- 2) Warp in at +200k using fully equipped T2 tempests then getting out before anyone can get close enough to scramble you. Valid tactic, but damn, can't you use the same warp in point repeatedly, please. Frustation level: 6/10 --- 3) Set up POS strontium levels so that the POS some out of reinforced "just" before downtime and refuel POSs using capital ships with jump drives. Legal tactic but it only became viable with the addition of capital ships to the game, no blockade can stop it regardless of it's size. Frustation level: 10/10 --- 4) Logging on capital fleet at one time to engage a capital fleet at a POS. Valid tactic, shows good communication and dedication. Frustation level: 0/10 --- So the only thing that is really** frustrating is the ability to manage and maintain POS installations using capital ships with next to no risk. You can have hundreds of pilots in system and roaming the area but there is little they can do to counter the "cyno refuelling" of POS installations. Let's be honest, if capital ships couldn't transport POS fuel, then the siege that happened in F2A would have been over in no time, and the same would apply to C-J6MT. But IMHO CCP's plans about sovreignty, siege and POS refueling went out the window as soon as jump drives entered the game. -- Mini Skill Planner
Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:33:00 - [120] There's two kinds of pos wars. 1) Stupid defences - you only need to plant a few poses and not shoot any or shoot only a few offline smalls or something. This is the only situation when RA goes to offence in pos war at the moment, and it's stupid since it actually forces the attacker to be the defender. But like I said, C-J siege isn't that since RA isn't the attacker and the moons are already full. This is the biggest stupidity of pos wars also btw, since you can theoretically conquer a station without really fighting the enemy at all. 2) Shooting poses down to plant your own poses. Now, coalition has had to do 2). 2) is either a) time consuming and boring or b) time consuming and next to impossible and quite dangerous due to organized enough resistances. RA being very dedicated and poses being hard to conquer with any kind of decent-sized force defending them it is quite quessable that this is the b) situation. Like many have hinted to the ignorant, it is _VERY_ hard to conquer poses when they have dedicated defenders who know what they're doing, and RA know what they're doing. I'd like to see those who are whining about numbers and stuff to try it themselves with their corp/alliance/something.



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