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nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 18:35:00 - [1] Edited by: nync on 05/08/2006 18:36:33 On friday morning Coalition + ASCN started to camp system C-J6MT, trying to prevent RED Alliance forses gathering to defend it. Station was camped with 15+ med and small bubbles. At 23:19 Coalition capital fleet , warped to RA POS 2-1 with support of BS fleet. C-J6MT local at this moment was 255 ppl, with about 60-70 RA gang and the rest hostile pilots. In 3 engagements at 2-1 POS Coalition+ASCN forses lost 3 carriers and another 2 near station 30 min later. Enemy dreds retreated to system 1v-. One RA POS was put into reinforsed mode. Hostile Alliances present in system: ERA, LV, -V-, KOS, ASCN. Total losses for both sides from 04.08.2006 till 05.08.2006 DT in C-J6MT and neighboring systems : Coalition + ASCN: (source - Red Alliance killboard) Battleships -71, HAC's - 5, Command ships- 2, Recon ships - 3, Interdiktors - 5. Carriers - 5. RA : ( source - ASCN, -V-, LV, ERA killboards) Battleships - 6, Recon ships - 1, HAC's - 2. I do not count frig, inty and as.frig losses as I don't care. Saying about lag -- it was real bad, after warping to POS I couldn't see anything for about 1 min, locking target - from 1 to 2 min, activating guns -- only on some targets, reloading - 1-2 min. Never saw half ppl called primary, refreshing overview didn't help. Warping out took me about 2 min, was unable to seen friendly POS for about 2-3 min after warping to it. Whilst warping out saw my shield and armor going down, luckily I survived. But still it was a good fight, thks and respect to all involved. RA you the best!
MadClaw	Posted - 2006.08.05 18:38:00 - [2] I wouldn't pay to much attention to killboard statistics but i do know we took quite some losses. Very heavy lag even tho : dieing without ever seeing a hostile isn't fun
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.05 18:47:00 - [3] If your a russian, do you automaticly become pro at eve?
Cohkka LoneWolf Mining R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.05 18:51:00 - [4] Originally by: Crucifier If your a russian, do you automaticly become pro at eve? Yes. The stats look very good, by the way. Keep it up! Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Stamm Amarr GALAXIAN	Posted - 2006.08.05 18:51:00 - [5] Originally by: Crucifier If your a russian, do you automaticly become pro at eve? Pretty much looks like it from those stats. Then again lag at a POS does tend to gank hostile BSs, even still those results are nothing short of spectacular.
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 18:52:00 - [6] Edited by: Ediz Daxx on 05/08/2006 18:53:38 Seriously.. whats the reason for posts like this? To boost your already enormous egos or what? Edit: Oh and give credit to the poor POS too why dont you.. i know you didnt kill 71 BSes.. the POS killed more then half of them...
Stamm Amarr GALAXIAN	Posted - 2006.08.05 18:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Ediz Daxx Seriously.. whats the reason for posts like this? To boost your already enormous egos or what? Probably difficult to see if you're involved in the conflict, but if you're not this is pretty much as close to news as you can get. I'm pleased to read these type of threads.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.05 18:57:00 - [8] Edited by: LUKEC on 05/08/2006 18:58:16 Impressive numbers. POS kill or player kill... coalition lost ships. I don't really see the difference there, unless someone explains it to me. Also nice to know that Blob isn't everything. --------- Torture by ccp: pic
Eyst Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.05 18:57:00 - [9] This post has more content than 99% of stuff in these forums. Granted the source is biased, but it is still fun to know what is going on in rest of 0.0 than you fly.
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 18:59:00 - [10] It takes skills to kill ships vs ships.. it doesnt take skills when the POS is doing the dirty work and then people claim that they are killing massive amounts of hostiles.

PirateShampoo Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:09:00 - [11] The POS ganked my poor old interdictor
wierchas noobhunter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:10:00 - [12] nice stats best luck guys join col ! now
MissBehaving Caldari Angels Of Mercy	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Ediz Daxx Edited by: Ediz Daxx on 05/08/2006 18:53:38 Seriously.. whats the reason for posts like this? To boost your already enormous egos or what? Edit: Oh and give credit to the poor POS too why dont you.. i know you didnt kill 71 BSes.. the POS killed more then half of them... Havent you guys made post after post over the past few months about how you have pumelled RA? *[DjDangle's Alt]*
dgfhdfg	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:13:00 - [14] Hmm... POSes goin down almost every day, i think, and it looks like nobody have big problems to take down enemy POSes when you have enemy heavely outnumbered, exept coalition. Am i right?
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:13:00 - [15] Originally by: MissBehaving Originally by: Ediz Daxx Edited by: Ediz Daxx on 05/08/2006 18:53:38 Seriously.. whats the reason for posts like this? To boost your already enormous egos or what? Edit: Oh and give credit to the poor POS too why dont you.. i know you didnt kill 71 BSes.. the POS killed more then half of them... Havent you guys made post after post over the past few months about how you have pumelled RA? Read my second post...
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:15:00 - [16] Originally by: dgfhdfg Hmm... POSes goin down almost every day, i think, and it looks like nobody have big problems to take down enemy POSes when you have enemy heavely outnumbered, exept coalition. Am i right? Absolutely. - BH
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:15:00 - [17] Originally by: dgfhdfg Hmm... POSes goin down almost every day, i think, and it looks like nobody have big problems to take down enemy POSes when you have enemy heavely outnumbered, exept coalition. Am i right? I bet RA poses are using logon "sploit".... --------- Torture by ccp: pic
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Ediz Daxx It takes skills to kill ships vs ships.. it doesnt take skills when the POS is doing the dirty work and then people claim that they are killing massive amounts of hostiles. If you remember your whole BS support gang warped on 15 km on POS without our gang being present there, so I'm asking the question I had floating since yesterday: why exactly did your FC warp you on such a suicide jump on an enemy fully loaded POS? - BH
Omniwar Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:16:00 - [19] Lets say that RA killed all those ships, that would make them pretty good wouldnt it? Lets say the POS killed most of those ships, that would make RA's enemies pretty bad wouldnt it? Either way would make RA better and their enemies simply bad *Spawn of the Devil*
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Omniwar Lets say that RA killed all those ships, that would make them pretty good wouldnt it? Lets say the POS killed most of those ships, that would make RA's enemies pretty bad wouldnt it? Either way would make RA better and their enemies simply bad hehehe Nice going RA, shame about the lag :(

Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Omniwar Lets say that RA killed all those ships, that would make them pretty good wouldnt it? Lets say the POS killed most of those ships, that would make RA's enemies pretty bad wouldnt it? Either way would make RA better and their enemies simply bad Yea we would rather have RA firing at our capital ships then have our own ships go in and help our capitals. Your post just make you look stupid..
Stamm Amarr GALAXIAN	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Ediz Daxx Originally by: Omniwar Lets say that RA killed all those ships, that would make them pretty good wouldnt it? Lets say the POS killed most of those ships, that would make RA's enemies pretty bad wouldnt it? Either way would make RA better and their enemies simply bad Yea we would rather have RA firing at our capital ships then have our own ships go in and help our capitals. Your post just make you look stupid.. He's coming across as quite reasonable, and you're coming across as someone in bitter denial.
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Stamm Originally by: Ediz Daxx Originally by: Omniwar Lets say that RA killed all those ships, that would make them pretty good wouldnt it? Lets say the POS killed most of those ships, that would make RA's enemies pretty bad wouldnt it? Either way would make RA better and their enemies simply bad Yea we would rather have RA firing at our capital ships then have our own ships go in and help our capitals. Your post just make you look stupid.. He's coming across as quite reasonable, and you're coming across as someone in bitter denial. Please post really vague statements and then dont care to explain what you mean.. nice job.
McDan Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:27:00 - [24] Edited by: McDan on 05/08/2006 19:28:00 Originally by: Omniwar Lets say that RA killed all those ships, that would make them pretty good wouldnt it? Lets say the POS killed most of those ships, that would make RA's enemies pretty bad wouldnt it? Either way would make RA better and their enemies simply bad I would tend to agree, however there was something very strange going on at the time. Not my place to say what happened but I am sure someone will soon oblige. As always, the numbers above do not tell the whole story.
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Ediz Daxx Edited by: Ediz Daxx on 05/08/2006 18:53:38 Seriously.. whats the reason for posts like this? To boost your already enormous egos or what? Edit: Oh and give credit to the poor POS too why dont you.. i know you didnt kill 71 BSes.. the POS killed more then half of them... Seriously.. whats the reason for posts like this? To boost your already enormous egos or what? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=374161 As for pos or not yesterday I partisipated in 14 bs kill with no POS involvements in them.
porktress	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:28:00 - [26] What are the coalition going to do IF red alliance do ever die? I mean so many alliances working together, i wonder from stats like these if you are capable of killing anything as your single entitys? GG RA
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:29:00 - [27] Edited by: Ediz Daxx on 05/08/2006 19:33:13 Originally by: nync Originally by: Ediz Daxx Edited by: Ediz Daxx on 05/08/2006 18:53:38 Seriously.. whats the reason for posts like this? To boost your already enormous egos or what? Edit: Oh and give credit to the poor POS too why dont you.. i know you didnt kill 71 BSes.. the POS killed more then half of them... Seriously.. whats the reason for posts like this? To boost your already enormous egos or what? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=374161 As for pos or not yesterday I partisipated in 14 bs kill with no POS involvements in them. Did i post that thread? No thats right i didnt.. if i had any say in anything that thread would never have been made.
DirtyHarry Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:37:00 - [28] Originally by: porktress What are the coalition going to do IF red alliance do ever die? I mean so many alliances working together, i wonder from stats like these if you are capable of killing anything as your single entitys? GG RA RA wont die out, its not their style, they will keep fighting till they run out of money for pos' and fuel... which isnt going to happen anytime soon :) Keep it up you crazy russians ^^ Havocide - DirtyHarry
NUBIARN MAJORITY	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:46:00 - [29] i have to say RA are very good PVPers some may not like their tactics or their swiggly russian but you have to admit they are good at what they do.
Dragerest Total Warehouse Logistics Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:47:00 - [30] good job RA

Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:54:00 - [31] RA delivers results, and Coalition delivers loot. Keep up the amazing work, Reds.
Wrayeth Inexorable Retribution	Posted - 2006.08.05 19:58:00 - [32] Build a better server, they'll build a better blob. Better blobs lead to more lag. More lag leads to massive deaths. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:07:00 - [33] While the numbers from this fight are good. Whats really amazing is that red is still out there fighting for their space, beating on the coalition of "we cant do it alone " alliances. GJ Red give them hell.
Ghargon Apocalypse Enterprises	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:13:00 - [34] Edited by: Ghargon on 05/08/2006 20:13:36 Originally by: Ediz Daxx Edited by: Ediz Daxx on 05/08/2006 18:53:38 Seriously.. whats the reason for posts like this? To boost your already enormous egos or what? Edit: Oh and give credit to the poor POS too why dont you.. i know you didnt kill 71 BSes.. the POS killed more then half of them... personally i like these posts, i know that its biased and i know RA use questionable tactics, but they seem to have been having quite good success even though heavily outnumbered. Good job RA Keep it up and keep on informing the rest of us who aren't in the area. I never think of the future - It comes soon enough
awwsd	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:19:00 - [35] Edited by: awwsd on 05/08/2006 20:21:24 Like it's hard to drop a bubble on the hostiles and procede to snipe them off while under fire of a large pos.. To the people commenting that obviously know nothing of these things - go back and mission ***** :) damn alt, wtf.
Drilla Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:26:00 - [36] Nice stats considering LV has killed 12 RA battleships last 3 days while loosing 13 ... Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Kyguard LFC 3rd Front Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:27:00 - [37] Although I support the Coalition and completely despise RA for their supposed use of game mechanics, I have to point out that these sort of complete losses always occur when ASCN is around.. === God is on the side with the best arti
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:47:00 - [38] Originally by: Kyguard Although I support the Coalition and completely despise RA for their supposed use of game mechanics, I have to point out that these sort of complete losses always occur when ASCN is around.. That's because mysteriusly theres always so much lag where ascn goes
Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:49:00 - [39] Edited by: Stormhold on 05/08/2006 20:53:04 Edited by: Stormhold on 05/08/2006 20:52:27 I haven't really been online for last few days, but from previous expiriences I got to say that defending poses is surprisingly easy even when the enemy outnumbers you and your fleet has enough patience to wait for a suitable moment. What's particularily screwed up, not in this case though, is that unless you maintain a staying 51% or higher moon coverage with large poses, the enemy can quickly attack AND get to defensive mode to defend their own poses. In some systems like C-J for example it is of course easy to keep full or almost full pos coverage, but in some systems it is far beyond, though in most of those cases the attacker would also need an immense amount of poses to get to this defensive mode. Oh well, just a random rant. The whole concept of POS warfare at the moment is really sucky.
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:53:00 - [40] Originally by: Drilla Nice stats considering LV has killed 12 RA battleships last 3 days while loosing 13 ... What 3 days are you talking about? Gimme the dates, please. _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.

Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:56:00 - [41] Gotta love the underdogs. Go RA! ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
Greenhalf Caldari R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 20:59:00 - [42] Just look this: http://killboard.red-alliance.info/index.php?op=list&shiptype=Dreadnaughts&name= & this http://killboard.red-alliance.info/index.php?op=list&shiptype=Carriers&name= It's a good results? I think. GG RA Do not trust, be not afraid, do not ask.
Brain Day Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.08.05 21:01:00 - [43] Go Go RA! And yes indeed, underdogs ftw.
Fargas Minmatar RUS Academy Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 21:08:00 - [44] Originally by: Drilla Nice stats considering LV has killed 12 RA battleships last 3 days while loosing 13 ... perfect example of lv propaganda dude, check ra killboard for lv losses, i found 38 killed lv bships there last 3 days i suppose you got your figures from eve-ams, this means your members post about 30% of losses klik, .... davno pora
Fubumaki Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 21:18:00 - [45] I can tell you what happened from a coalition Pilots eye view. OMG Dreads are under attack, warp in to the rescue. coming out of warp................................ oh look, maybe, nope.............................. there is something....... oh its my pod........... Well atleast it was my pod........................ .................................................. Im sure i should have apeared in a station by now. checks task manager 2GB MEMORY LEEK! CTD BSOD -bzzzt- I'm just preparing my impromptu remarks.
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 21:37:00 - [46] Edited by: Beyond Horizon on 05/08/2006 21:38:29 Originally by: Drilla Nice stats considering LV has killed 12 RA battleships last 3 days while loosing 13 ... Strangely, but I counted 40 battleships, 8 hacs, 2 command ships and 2 carriers lost by LV *only* in the last 3 days! Lies lies Drilla, your propaganda worked for you before but now we won't be silent anymore :D rhymed hehe edit: spelling - BH
Rax Kon	Posted - 2006.08.05 21:46:00 - [47] Originally by: Kyguard Although I support the Coalition and completely despise RA for their supposed use of game mechanics, I have to point out that these sort of complete losses always occur when ASCN is around.. Yes ascn do have times they loose alot of ships no doubt, but they own some of the best if not the best regions in south 0.0. what does your alliance own?
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.05 21:52:00 - [48] Originally by: Rax Kon Originally by: Kyguard Although I support the Coalition and completely despise RA for their supposed use of game mechanics, I have to point out that these sort of complete losses always occur when ASCN is around.. Yes ascn do have times they loose alot of ships no doubt, but they own some of the best if not the best regions in south 0.0. what does your alliance own? Freedom of speech is worth alot these days. Actually i'd trade it for all your ark. --------- Torture by ccp: pic
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.05 21:55:00 - [49] Hmm, I'm replying to this thread because it's the freshest, but I think my point is pretty broad. From all the info availiable to someone not involved in the RA conflict, I have to ask: With the current state of POS warfare, why bother? This conflict proves that when a dedicated force is defending an area, with substantial resources to back up their defence, taking the territory is near impossible. In this case, it seems RA was outblobbed by 3:1 (quote: "C-J6MT local at this moment was 255 ppl, with about 60-70 RA gang and the rest hostile pilots."). Can't blame them there for "causing lag" I would think. But bubbling a POS siege force is a valid tactic, so is sniping that force w/ POS help. But the point remains that claiming RA space is a damned hard proposition. I'm not saying that it can't be done, just that it'll take more than what the Coalition has done so far. Game mechanics favor the defender. ASCN (for exaample) would be favored in a defence of their their territory for the same reason, if the defenders were as dedicated as RA is. Maybe it's time for a territorial truce? Then just shoot each other up when you're in lock range. -- [THARS] is recruiting 1 ebil pirate. Be the one!
xeom Obsidian Sins	Posted - 2006.08.05 21:57:00 - [50] The game mechanics favor the defender . First time i've ever heard that. CCP where are our t2 shield power relays? \| Join[..SIN]

Poison Beam	Posted - 2006.08.05 21:57:00 - [51] Red Alliance (homeless) seriously guys, you are pathetic.
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.05 22:02:00 - [52] Originally by: xeom The game mechanics favor the defender . First time i've ever heard that. From all accounts, if the defender is dedicated and has the means to sustain the defence, yes. Jump drive eliminate the fuel hauling need. The attacking force faces warp-in loading lag. POS towers/guns aren't subject to clent lag. Etc. I think XZF was the exception that proves the rule. -- [THARS] is recruiting 1 ebil pirate. Be the one!
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 22:05:00 - [53] Originally by: Poison Beam Red Alliance (homeless) seriously guys, you are pathetic. I wonder if you had any effort to earn the place you mine roids in... - BH
Drilla Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 22:10:00 - [54] Haha - you walked straight into that trap. I liked who you are all up about that I under played our losses and didnt notice that I actually posted you lost twice what the OP wrote of RA losses - you can check them yourselves on eve-ams. I guess both sides play the number game then? Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Drilla Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 22:13:00 - [55] Originally by: xeom The game mechanics favor the defender . First time i've ever heard that. You should get out more then. Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.05 22:14:00 - [56] Edited by: c0rn1 on 05/08/2006 22:15:00 For the strong BoB guys in here. We could give you a 1 week vacation in C-J if you want to and you can try your best there. If you are successful, RA can rebuild the towers again and we go on. But just to give you a small hint how it is trying to kill POSs which always come out of reinforcement at your lowest game time and strongest for RA. Shields are boosted in 30 mins with 6 carriers. NP and after DT stron is refueled. 8 hardeners are not a rare at RA POSs. If you want a try, contact me. I will convince the coalition of a 1 week ceasefire with RA so you can have a challenge. regards P.S.: This is a game. and a game demands challenges. Are you up for it? x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 22:22:00 - [57] Originally by: Drilla Haha - you walked straight into that trap. I liked who you are all up about that I under played our losses and didnt notice that I actually posted you lost twice what the OP wrote of RA losses - you can check them yourselves on eve-ams. I guess both sides play the number game then? ... ? You are embarassing yourself, please don't try to make this as something you intended to happen :) As the OP told - the losses were taken from LOTKA VOLTERRA KILLBOARD by day 1 of c-j6 siege. Think > post. So if you are blaming someone of inaccuracy you should try blaming your kb, since the stat was taken from there. - BH
Poison Beam	Posted - 2006.08.05 22:25:00 - [58] Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: Poison Beam Red Alliance (homeless) seriously guys, you are pathetic. I wonder if you had any effort to earn the place you mine roids in... Yes I made a BIG EFFORT and close your big mouth looser I wonder if you want to earn the place when you exploit the complexes
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 22:41:00 - [59] I've checked the Red Alliance killboard for Coalition losses. I've checked the Coalition member alliances' killboards for Red Alliance losses. It's clear that the numbers in the OP are correct, and that Drilla is lying and/or ignorant of the kills posted.
Altai Saker Omniscient Order Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:06:00 - [60] Who cares eitherway... RA are bad for the game and use the lamest tactics "allowed". I fully support the coalition, is their anywhere I can make a donation?

Goktar illiat Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:07:00 - [61] Originally by: Kyguard Although I support the Coalition and completely despise RA for their supposed use of game mechanics hehe you utterly despise someone from a rumour ? nice work RA !
Altai Saker Omniscient Order Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:09:00 - [62] Originally by: Goktar illiat Originally by: Kyguard Although I support the Coalition and completely despise RA for their supposed use of game mechanics hehe you utterly despise someone from a rumour ? nice work RA ! Having fought them on numerous occasions I can assure you their's no "rumour" about their meagaming tactics.
Kyguard LFC 3rd Front Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:17:00 - [63] Edited by: Kyguard on 05/08/2006 23:21:23 double.. remove this please === God is on the side with the best arti
Kyguard LFC 3rd Front Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:18:00 - [64] Originally by: Rax Kon Originally by: Kyguard Although I support the Coalition and completely despise RA for their supposed use of game mechanics, I have to point out that these sort of complete losses always occur when ASCN is around.. Yes ascn do have times they loose alot of ships no doubt, but they own some of the best if not the best regions in south 0.0. what does your alliance own? Having the best regions doesn't give you an excuse to lose a ****load of ships, so your point is invalid stupidalt. === God is on the side with the best arti
Walter Model CRICE Corporation Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:19:00 - [65] Good stuff RA
Kyguard LFC 3rd Front Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:20:00 - [66] Originally by: Goktar illiat hehe you utterly despise someone from a rumour ? nice work RA ! Rumour? Right. RA themselves are proud that they use these kind of tactics so you're either clueless or a fierce brown noser. === God is on the side with the best arti
Drilla Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:26:00 - [67] Yapp yapp Below is the RA Battleship losses for C-J6MT (not even other systems) for Friday and Saturday alone - and on top of that these are only from the LV and ASCN killboards - havnt bothered checking the rest as you get the pic of the nber accurate numbers in the OP. Besides - siege of C-J started The 2nd. but I guess RA had too many losses the 3rd to admit that. Quote: 2006.08.05-19:12:00 SephiriotH REUNI0N ScorpionC-J6MT 2006.08.05-14:55:00 OSTOR R.u.S.H. Raven C-J6MT 2006.08.04-23:22:00ZoronREUNIONApocalypseC-J6MT 2006.08.04-23:20:00MACTEPSolar DragonsApocalypseC-J6MT 2006.08.04-22:37:00StefoudemonRussian SOBRApocalypseC-J6MT 2006.08.04-22:25:00KorshunR.u.S.H.DominixC-J6MT 2006.08.04-19:22:00 Gobluin R.u.S.H. Armageddon C-J6MT 2006.08.04-09:48:00 BarmulR.u.S.H. Tempest C-J6MT 2006.08.04-09:38:00 Faithless F UA Industry Armageddon C-J6MT 2006.08.04-22:25:00KorshunR.u.S.H.DominixC-J6MT Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:33:00 - [68] Originally by: Altai Saker Originally by: Goktar illiat Originally by: Kyguard Although I support the Coalition and completely despise RA for their supposed use of game mechanics hehe you utterly despise someone from a rumour ? nice work RA ! Having fought them on numerous occasions I can assure you their's no "rumour" about their meagaming tactics. Well has a Ex-RA member ... never saw using those while in gangs with a lot of other RA members...
Goktar illiat Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:36:00 - [69] Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: Goktar illiat hehe you utterly despise someone from a rumour ? nice work RA ! Rumour? Right. RA themselves are proud that they use these kind of tactics so you're either clueless or a fierce brown noser. neither. you just wrote you despised them from a ->supposed<- use of game mechanics. You do understand right ?
Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:37:00 - [70] Very nice Coalition! Keep the good work up. They have how many stations now? 1? Thats a damn good job considering how many they once had RA was cool because of CWRA's signatures and ALTZ, section XIII was doing a good job aswell. Where are these corps now

Kyguard LFC 3rd Front Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:42:00 - [71] Originally by: Goktar illiat neither. you just wrote you despised them from a ->supposed<- use of game mechanics. You do understand right ? I put that in because I've never experienced it myself so can't say it's 100% true, but probably 99% since both RA and Coalition say it is done. === God is on the side with the best arti
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:42:00 - [72] Originally by: Tassi RA was cool because of CWRA's signatures and ALTZ, section XIII was doing a good job aswell. Where are these corps now CWRA is in Geminate region I think, and Section XIII is with one foot in Venal and the other in Tribute
steveid Penetrate	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:48:00 - [73] i clicked on the post title with the full intention of posting that altho i like you guys a lot - who cant like that resiliance under all the pressure - posting day 1 results is just tarded. After reading them I have to once again say wow. I made sure i posted this before i was jaded by the inevitable 3 pages of smacktalking and omgusuck. Great job (again), and my respect for you guys goes up another level. Many more victories like this and i'll hump your leg and become a fully fledged fanboi :D
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:48:00 - [74] Originally by: c0rn1 Edited by: c0rn1 on 05/08/2006 22:17:10 Edited by: c0rn1 on 05/08/2006 22:15:00 For the strong BoB guys in here. We could give you a 1 week vacation in C-J if you want to and you can try your best there. If you are successful, RA can rebuild the towers again and we go on. IF RA is successful defending it, they can have Delve. But just to give you a small hint how it is trying to kill POSs which always come out of reinforcement at your lowest game time and strongest for RA. Shields are boosted in 30 mins with 6 carriers. NP and after DT stron is refueled. 8 hardeners are not a rare at RA POSs. If you want a try, contact me. I will convince the coalition of a 1 week ceasefire with RA so you can have a challenge. regards P.S.: This is a game. and a game demands challenges. Are you up for it? Whoa, where did that one come from fwiw we're gonna keep on going round ****ing everyone off, in the hope that one day someone will pull this stuff with us (whether you believe that is true for all of BoB matters not to me, I can assure you that it is true for myself). We've claimed our space, at some point we may even expand once again, but given that pretty much everyone moans and whines about pos warfare in its current state (can't say I disagree, either) then I don't see why any of BoB would be in any great rush to take part in such a flawed system of combat. You guys kind of have to to achieve the goals you've set for yourselves, we've just gotta chase down goons. tbh, thinking about it, that might not be a bad trade ;)
Devoras2 Amarr Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:49:00 - [75] 1 word: Cluster f u c k! Dev And they call me slow.... hey! Thats an insult!
Drist Grettistak Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:50:00 - [76] I was in the fight that he speaks of by the pos i lost my ship to the most destructive force in the universe,lag This game is unplayable when big fleets assemple in a system pure and utter nonsence, U just sit there and see your heavily tanked ship go down and theres nothing u can do cause not even 1 mod activates on your ship.and from the time i saw my shields start to go down and until the next frame started to materialise was around 5 minutes,and that frame was my pod. Playing the game under these circumstances is pure and utter nonsence. What is going on CCP? Ive lost to many ships in to many engagements to Lag that the game is starting to get very very very booring. And btw ,what are u guys posting about here off topic? stay in thread
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.05 23:53:00 - [77] Originally by: Drilla Yapp yapp Below is the RA Battleship losses for C-J6MT (not even other systems) for Friday and Saturday alone - and on top of that these are only from the LV and ASCN killboards - havnt bothered checking the rest as you get the pic of the nber accurate numbers in the OP. Besides - siege of C-J started The 2nd. but I guess RA had too many losses the 3rd to admit that. Quote: 2006.08.05-19:12:00 SephiriotH REUNI0N ScorpionC-J6MT 2006.08.05-14:55:00 OSTOR R.u.S.H. Raven C-J6MT 2006.08.04-23:22:00ZoronREUNIONApocalypseC-J6MT 2006.08.04-23:20:00MACTEPSolar DragonsApocalypseC-J6MT 2006.08.04-22:37:00StefoudemonRussian SOBRApocalypseC-J6MT 2006.08.04-22:25:00KorshunR.u.S.H.DominixC-J6MT 2006.08.04-19:22:00 Gobluin R.u.S.H. Armageddon C-J6MT 2006.08.04-09:48:00 BarmulR.u.S.H. Tempest C-J6MT 2006.08.04-09:38:00 Faithless F UA Industry Armageddon C-J6MT 2006.08.04-22:25:00KorshunR.u.S.H.DominixC-J6MT Really, no need to list one loss twice in that list... So, it then makes it only 9 BS losses for us. The latest BS was lost after the original post. So, the nync didn't include only 2 bs losses, which I honestly think he didn't know about at the moment of his posting. And no, at least I can't see any other BS losses for us on the boards of your fellow coalition members, so your list is complete. Thank you! _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Hyllekjeks Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2006.08.06 00:00:00 - [78] good work ra. Nice to see that you guys never give up Sig must be under 24000 bytes - Cathath ([email protected]) I mean there is a fun in beeing hated, it puts a fire in your ass and it gets ******* boring to be loved by everyone
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 00:24:00 - [79] Edited by: Amthrianius on 06/08/2006 00:24:45 Judging by the -V- scorp's setup in another post, im not suprised they lose so much. There guys prolly don't even know how to warp out when not scrambled ;\| I approve of these update posts I disaprove of the bitter smack coming from LV+-V-'s 10000 Player coalition ---------------
Polydectes Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 00:24:00 - [80] Edited by: Polydectes on 06/08/2006 00:24:38 Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Tassi RA was cool because of CWRA's signatures and ALTZ, section XIII was doing a good job aswell. Where are these corps now CWRA is in Geminate region I think, and Section XIII is with one foot in Venal and the other in Tribute No offense to current CWRA members, but it is a shadow of what it once was. All but one of the old directors has left the corp, and everyone that I flew with in CWRA has left. Including the CEO, Warrages who has left eve, and too many others to name. EDIT: We did have kick as sigs, thanks Hugo -------------------------------------------------

Generatorn Amarr The Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.06 00:43:00 - [81] go russians \o/
Broska FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 00:57:00 - [82] Edited by: Broska on 06/08/2006 00:57:50 OMG RA PROPAGANDA!!! RA ARE WINNING THE WAR!! THE COALITION IS DOOMED! DOOMED I SAY!! ALL YOUR BASES BELONG TO RA!!!! EDIT I FORGOT: OMG RA KILLED A NOOB SHIP THE COALITION IS COLLAPSING!!! /sarcasum Yeah tbh it doesn't matter how many kills RA is going to get becauase in the end there on the loosing side. It's also nice to see that RA loss's arn't properly reported but there kills are. I'll leave that to the neutrals to decide why that is. Oh and have fun being wtfpwnd by the coalition RA.
Steve Bennett Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 01:00:00 - [83] I rarely post in these partizan threads due to the issue of facts being confused, ignored, or misinterpreted - please accept my appology for fanning flames. I'd just like to say that - yes - the numbers look 'bad' for the coalition. However, we went into this seige with the full understanding that its gonna hurt us - and hurt bad. Even still, we managed the dedication and persiverence to press on, knowing that we're going to suffer losses. When Operation Overlord (D-Day) was being planned in 1944, the allies expected 80% casualties from their paratrooper divisions. Even still, their cause was important enough to them (and us) that they went ahead with it anyway. We all knew assaulting deathstars, especially RA built and operated deathstars, was going to results in us hurting. These numbers simply show that we are willing to take a few blows to accomplish our task. It simply says that we have the gonads to lose our ships, and that we're okay with that because we really REALLY want to defeat RA. SB --------
Rax Kon	Posted - 2006.08.06 01:05:00 - [84] Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: Rax Kon Originally by: Kyguard Although I support the Coalition and completely despise RA for their supposed use of game mechanics, I have to point out that these sort of complete losses always occur when ASCN is around.. Yes ascn do have times they loose alot of ships no doubt, but they own some of the best if not the best regions in south 0.0. what does your alliance own? Having the best regions doesn't give you an excuse to lose a ****load of ships, so your point is invalid stupidalt. 1.) not a alt new main with 3 years eve play time (sold old main for isk ) lol who's stupid? 2.) your posting in this thread makes me think you are a poor troll and most likely a child still. 3.) when you are a rich alliance with a ton of ships sitting in the station you tend to get blown up more, care less. and they do more then loose ships they keep there own 0.0 region which takes killing also. guess i could say maybe you will learn some day, but maybe not.
lazyb22 M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 01:22:00 - [85] Originally by: nync Edited by: nync on 05/08/2006 18:36:33 On friday morning Coalition + ASCN started to camp system C-J6MT, trying to prevent RED Alliance forses gathering to defend it. Station was camped with 15+ med and small bubbles. At 23:19 Coalition capital fleet , warped to RA POS 2-1 with support of BS fleet. C-J6MT local at this moment was 255 ppl, with about 60-70 RA gang and the rest hostile pilots. In 3 engagements at 2-1 POS Coalition+ASCN forses lost 3 carriers and another 2 near station 30 min later. Enemy dreds retreated to system 1v-. One RA POS was put into reinforsed mode. Hostile Alliances present in system: ERA, LV, -V-, KOS, ASCN. Total losses for both sides from 04.08.2006 till 05.08.2006 DT in C-J6MT and neighboring systems : Coalition + ASCN: (source - Red Alliance killboard) Battleships -71, HAC's - 5, Command ships- 2, Recon ships - 3, Interdiktors - 5. Carriers - 5. RA : ( source - ASCN, -V-, LV, ERA killboards) Battleships - 6, Recon ships - 1, HAC's - 2. I do not count frig, inty and as.frig losses as I don't care. Saying about lag -- it was real bad, after warping to POS I couldn't see anything for about 1 min, locking target - from 1 to 2 min, activating guns -- only on some targets, reloading - 1-2 min. Never saw half ppl called primary, refreshing overview didn't help. Warping out took me about 2 min, was unable to seen friendly POS for about 2-3 min after warping to it. Whilst warping out saw my shield and armor going down, luckily I survived. But still it was a good fight, thks and respect to all involved. RA you the best! This is a good overview of the situation. Great fight RA well executed!! We expect a different outcome next time. Lazyb22
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Fluffy wing Fangs	Posted - 2006.08.06 01:23:00 - [86] In the current game state, it might've become almost irrelevant to count BS losses as losses. A year old player can make the 50M it costs to replace a fully insured BS in 1 hr of agent running or a bit of mining really easily. 71 BS to take down a POS? Pocket change for most alliance, as one BS loss for a single pilot is almost nothing if you have access to either level 4 missions or 0.0 space. If you would strip the list of anything but capships and Tech 2 ships, it would still be an impressive list for RA, but that's what you get when you assault a POS. Taking a POS into reinforced is still quite a feat, even though the coalition took losses. ------------------------------------------ A lapdance is always better when the exotic dancer is crying..
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 02:27:00 - [87] Originally by: Drilla Yapp yapp Below is the RA Battleship losses for C-J6MT (not even other systems) for Friday and Saturday alone - and on top of that these are only from the LV and ASCN killboards - havnt bothered checking the rest as you get the pic of the nber accurate numbers in the OP. Besides - siege of C-J started The 2nd. but I guess RA had too many losses the 3rd to admit that. Quote: 2006.08.05-19:12:00 SephiriotH REUNI0N ScorpionC-J6MT 2006.08.05-14:55:00 OSTOR R.u.S.H. Raven C-J6MT 2006.08.04-23:22:00ZoronREUNIONApocalypseC-J6MT 2006.08.04-23:20:00MACTEPSolar DragonsApocalypseC-J6MT 2006.08.04-22:37:00StefoudemonRussian SOBRApocalypseC-J6MT 2006.08.04-22:25:00KorshunR.u.S.H.DominixC-J6MT 2006.08.04-19:22:00 Gobluin R.u.S.H. Armageddon C-J6MT 2006.08.04-09:48:00 BarmulR.u.S.H. Tempest C-J6MT 2006.08.04-09:38:00 Faithless F UA Industry Armageddon C-J6MT 2006.08.04-22:25:00KorshunR.u.S.H.DominixC-J6MT Originally by: nync Total losses for both sides from 04.08.2006 till 05.08.2006 DT in C-J6MT and neighboring systems : Now match the time on your list and the timeline given by the OP. Go ahead and embarass yourself some more please :) Altai Saker, you are clueless kind sir. Your accussations aren't even worth paying attention to. Do you really believe that RA pvpers fly with a thought "OH, I want to cheat, what xploit should I use on this one?" We are just as normal as you are. - BH
DirtyHarry Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 03:03:00 - [88] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: c0rn1 Edited by: c0rn1 on 05/08/2006 22:17:10 Edited by: c0rn1 on 05/08/2006 22:15:00 For the strong BoB guys in here. We could give you a 1 week vacation in C-J if you want to and you can try your best there. If you are successful, RA can rebuild the towers again and we go on. IF RA is successful defending it, they can have Delve. But just to give you a small hint how it is trying to kill POSs which always come out of reinforcement at your lowest game time and strongest for RA. Shields are boosted in 30 mins with 6 carriers. NP and after DT stron is refueled. 8 hardeners are not a rare at RA POSs. If you want a try, contact me. I will convince the coalition of a 1 week ceasefire with RA so you can have a challenge. regards P.S.: This is a game. and a game demands challenges. Are you up for it? Whoa, where did that one come from fwiw we're gonna keep on going round ****ing everyone off, in the hope that one day someone will pull this stuff with us (whether you believe that is true for all of BoB matters not to me, I can assure you that it is true for myself). We've claimed our space, at some point we may even expand once again, but given that pretty much everyone moans and whines about pos warfare in its current state (can't say I disagree, either) then I don't see why any of BoB would be in any great rush to take part in such a flawed system of combat. You guys kind of have to to achieve the goals you've set for yourselves, we've just gotta chase down goons. tbh, thinking about it, that might not be a bad trade ;) I think he is just mad that their coalition of 5~ alliances cant organise the logistics to take down some pos' from a single alliance :< Havocide - DirtyHarry
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 03:03:00 - [89] Originally by: Amthrianius No need to cry, honey, Nebba will make it all better. Nebba - The Vocal Majority
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.08.06 03:05:00 - [90] Edited by: welsh wizard on 06/08/2006 03:06:59 Originally by: Polydectes No offense to current CWRA members, but it is a shadow of what it once was. Aha! Haven't heard that for a while, someone else has earnt the official ATUK "Shadow of their formerselves" accolade I see. Good to see the award is still going strong. ps, Good work RA!

Nukeitall	Posted - 2006.08.06 03:37:00 - [91] I'm probably coming off as a..'suck up', but.. Red Alliance has some of the most determined pilots I've ever seen - even in the face of overwhelming odds and a continual information warfare from various sources. My compliments, if they mean anything. (Granted I've never seen them in battle, but I've read enough posts for long enough to get the gist of what is mostly going on.) --------- >>Disclaimer: Anything Nukeitall says is not to be taken seriously. Mostly.
Rax Kon	Posted - 2006.08.06 05:32:00 - [92] Originally by: Rax Kon Post with your main! If this is your main - read the Forum Rules to find out how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu That is so wrong this is my main. you delete my posts leaving a forum rule of no alts? look at what toon is training on this account this one because its my main. he is in a noob corp because im training his learning skills then joining a corp. Serathu you may want to do your job better.
Dragerest Total Warehouse Logistics Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.06 05:46:00 - [93] Rax Kon read the rules again: if you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:08:00 - [94] TBH, given what they are up against, it is a given that RA will eventually "lose". However, given the losses inflicted upon those that have ganged up against them, I'd say they are doing quite well under the circumstances. The fact that the Coalition is taking such heavy losses speaks volumes about RA.
Puncher BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:15:00 - [95] Keep givin'em hell RA...
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 06:25:00 - [96] Originally by: Goktar illiat Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: Goktar illiat hehe you utterly despise someone from a rumour ? nice work RA ! Rumour? Right. RA themselves are proud that they use these kind of tactics so you're either clueless or a fierce brown noser. neither. you just wrote you despised them from a ->supposed<- use of game mechanics. You do understand right ? I fought aginst RA myself and it is not "supposed" it is the following: -RA abuse the logon log off mechanism. -RA use tons of WCS on their ships. -RA run complexes on daily basis with logon traps to stop any one else from stopping them to run the plex. No one who plays the game right and is not a 2 time griefer would ever respect these kind of tactics sicne they are all based on exploitation and once they get nerfed RA Will Disband. Anyway RA wacked Tons of Coaltion ships by the looks of it so congrats for that victory although i would say that the lag was the one who dealt the final blow but thats something we all go through so it was a victory for RA never the less. "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:14:00 - [97] heh funny that even with ascn coalition still takes tons of losses and smacks like crazy on the forums. You guys make yourselves look like such whinny little prats on the forums. In rust we trust!!!
Fargas Minmatar RUS Academy Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:17:00 - [98] yesterday coalition forces left c-j6 klik, .... davno pora
WARPIG3 DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:18:00 - [99] Originally by: c0rn1 Edited by: c0rn1 on 05/08/2006 22:17:10 Edited by: c0rn1 on 05/08/2006 22:15:00 For the strong BoB guys in here. We could give you a 1 week vacation in C-J if you want to and you can try your best there. If you are successful, RA can rebuild the towers again and we go on. IF RA is successful defending it, they can have Delve. But just to give you a small hint how it is trying to kill POSs which always come out of reinforcement at your lowest game time and strongest for RA. Shields are boosted in 30 mins with 6 carriers. NP and after DT stron is refueled. 8 hardeners are not a rare at RA POSs. If you want a try, contact me. I will convince the coalition of a 1 week ceasefire with RA so you can have a challenge. regards P.S.: This is a game. and a game demands challenges. Are you up for it? Is that an invite to BOB to join the Coalition. to help yall take out RA. Cause yall are't getting the job done? 10,000 VS 870 not anough?
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:27:00 - [100] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel I fought aginst RA myself and it is not "supposed" it is the following: -RA abuse the logon log off mechanism. -RA use tons of WCS on their ships. -RA run complexes on daily basis with logon traps to stop any one else from stopping them to run the plex. No one who plays the game right and is not a 2 time griefer would ever respect these kind of tactics sicne they are all based on exploitation and once they get nerfed RA Will Disband. Anyway RA wacked Tons of Coaltion ships by the looks of it so congrats for that victory although i would say that the lag was the one who dealt the final blow but thats something we all go through so it was a victory for RA never the less. Respect? Funny to hear from the Coalition who fights 15 to 1 about respect and honesty... Furthermore Coalition loses battle after battle even have great numbers advantage over it's rival... It offends Coalition... Leave RA their space and sign a NAP, so RA will do plexes in their own territory and will not bother urs... ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry

Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:43:00 - [101] Originally by: Obivan Efa Stuff So many alliances and corps have piled aginst just out of the fact they hate their play style which is based on exploitation that earns them victory after victory in several battels ! "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Vex Seraphim Gallente Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:49:00 - [102] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Obivan Efa Stuff So many alliances and corps have piled aginst just out of the fact they hate their play style which is based on exploitation that earns them victory after victory in several battels ! ^^ i've got one word for you: Bandwagon.
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.08.06 07:57:00 - [103] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel So many alliances and corps have piled aginst just out of the fact they hate their play style which is based on exploitation that earns them victory after victory in several battels ! Exploits? If it so ask Dev's fix it... I remember days of drone exploits - a lot of exploits with Drone-to-POS and Drone-to-BLOB-Lag... that was exploits.. Look at RA's movies at movie section with Capitalship fights and so on and u will see fair fights and respectfull victories... I'm sick of exploits talks...It's all seems like lame excuse... ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
Isabel Sweet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.06 08:22:00 - [104] I was there not in big battle hours but in skirmishes hours. fought some small engagements , escaped at least 4 times when i should be dead (primary in inty by the sniper fleet of RA priceless - if i was not drunk i would be wet in my pants), killed a RA alt. What i saw. RA is good, coordinated, commited. I am lookin foward to learn more from you. Rest is fun. Get used to it. :D. Now stop forum whoring and get in space to kill eachother.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 08:48:00 - [105] Originally by: Obivan Efa Exploits? If it so ask Dev's fix it... The WCS nerf will be the start Mr Fanboi and then we will see how it goes from there and how RA's Kill loss ratio will be . "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Sean Dillon Caldari Shadows of the Dead Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.06 08:53:00 - [106] Edited by: Sean Dillon on 06/08/2006 08:53:58 Your forgetting to mention the losses from n-real yesterday and 28- 2 days before. Those battles were a loss for ra.
Burzhuj REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 09:01:00 - [107] WCS nerfed already, Interdictors...
Recco Mithril Inc Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.08.06 09:05:00 - [108] I just want to say a few things. since everyone is talking about lame tacktics and so on. R.A use log on/off kill few guys. [You can do this. there is nothing that say¦s otherwise] So they kill few off the Coalition. Coalition use numbers. Blob them to death and now you got ASCN to help you guys out. OMG how many now in the coaltion without ASCN. 7000 ? vs maybe 850 [in numbers not depending on how many online] and also with a few friendly corp¦s on both side.. Tell me who use¦s the lame tacktics again.. As a former CWRA member and R.A im proud off my guys. Have fun and fly well. P.S. since everyone is reading this.. My opinion is that the "Coalition" cry¦s and cry¦s on the forums all the time when RED Alliance kick¦s there ass. ___________________________________ http://www.mithrilinc.com
Minevra Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:22:00 - [109] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Obivan Efa Exploits? If it so ask Dev's fix it... The WCS nerf will be the start Mr Fanboi and then we will see how it goes from there and how RA's Kill loss ratio will be . It will be lots of coalition frigs, intys, cruisers and so on ships kills. Btw how much frigs of RA coalition killed with 2+ wcs?
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:29:00 - [110] Originally by: Omniwar Lets say that RA killed all those ships, that would make them pretty good wouldnt it? Lets say the POS killed most of those ships, that would make RA's enemies pretty bad wouldnt it? Either way would make RA better and their enemies simply bad i think that's about it yeah :) Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...

Basilii Minmatar Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:30:00 - [111] so let me understand , Corn1 who is -v- alince diplomat invites bob to fight RA ? hmmmm it is pretty interesting since you surely not enought atm . 10000 vs 800 and you still loosing and still crying on forums for help . ra keep the good job .
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:32:00 - [112] Originally by: Obivan Efa Respect? Funny to hear from the Coalition who fights 15 to 1 about respect and honesty... . I find it surprising to see so many people hammer on the 15 vs 1 statistic while totally 'forgetting' the advantages a POS defender has here. With current POS mechanics and the proper timing (of strontium) I personally could keep an alliance like BoB occuppied shooting POS for at least a month. And that's just me and the POS then. If I were to be the CEO of a dedicated 50 man corp, that month would become a whole lot more painful for the attacker. Therefor my respect goes to the coalition who keep on trying despite the immense advantages a devoted POS alliance has here. To CCP: Randomize the Reinforced time please.
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 10:42:00 - [113] Originally by: Obivan Efa Respect? Funny to hear from the Coalition who fights 15 to 1 about respect and honesty... . I find it surprising to see so many people hammer on the 15 vs 1 statistic while totally 'forgetting' the advantages a POS defender has here. With current POS mechanics and the proper timing (of strontium) I personally could keep an alliance like BoB occuppied shooting POS for several weeks at least. And that's just me and the POS then. If I were to be the CEO of a dedicated 50 man corp, those few weeks would be extended considerably. Therefor my respect goes to the coalition who keep on trying despite the immense advantages a devoted POS alliance has here. It is clear the POS mechanics are not working out as intended and heavily favour the rich (# of POS) and (a few) devoted POS managers with alarmclocks. CCP: Randomize the Reinforced time.
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:06:00 - [114] Originally by: Aeon Yakati Originally by: Obivan Efa Respect? Funny to hear from the Coalition who fights 15 to 1 about respect and honesty... . I find it surprising to see so many people hammer on the 15 vs 1 statistic while totally 'forgetting' the advantages a POS defender has here. With current POS mechanics and the proper timing (of strontium) I personally could keep an alliance like BoB occuppied shooting POS for several weeks at least. And that's just me and the POS then. If I were to be the CEO of a dedicated 50 man corp, those few weeks would be extended considerably. Therefor my respect goes to the coalition who keep on trying despite the immense advantages a devoted POS alliance has here. It is clear the POS mechanics are not working out as intended and heavily favour the rich (# of POS) and (a few) devoted POS managers with alarmclocks. CCP: Randomize the Reinforced time. If you are such a big coalition fanboi, why did you leave -v- for BoB then? - BH
Soraya Silvermoon	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:11:00 - [115] Its a hard blow yes.. And its big losses and good job for RA.. If u want an explanation (not an excuse for losses): 1st battle: RA engage dreads at pos and support warp in in lag hell... on top of this TS server "mysteriously goes down" And Ra decimate whatever they can see as fleet is without command. the rest of the day: Coalition numbers are brought way down and fighting with a lot less numbers of bses against RA fleet, and RA pos under the circumstance of warp in lag. I personally lost a bs and I engaged 5 times. only once wich I were able to load ships n overview at location of battle. Anyway as I said its no excuse and it wount change anything neither the morale nor the outcome of the war. Anyways as stated earlier. game is unplayable with thouse kinds of battles.. CCP seriously need to take action.. either allocate server resources or make the game mechanics so that its possible to take down poses without having to rally such numbers. Lag dont discriminate. (except when warping into a pos and the fleet sit 10 mins in que to get shot by the pos in order to load a frame).
Basilii Minmatar Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:14:00 - [116] hmm pos wars. every alince in eve killed /killing pos's every day , everyone find his own way to defeat the enemy. and only poor coalition pilots cant do it . t2 tissue maybe give you ? or t2 toilet paper?
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:14:00 - [117] Originally by: Aeon Yakati I find it surprising to see so many people hammer on the 15 vs 1 statistic while totally 'forgetting' the advantages a POS defender has here. With current POS mechanics and the proper timing (of strontium) I personally could keep an alliance like BoB occuppied shooting POS for several weeks at least. And that's just me and the POS then. If I were to be the CEO of a dedicated 50 man corp, those few weeks would be extended considerably. Therefor my respect goes to the coalition who keep on trying despite the immense advantages a devoted POS alliance has here. It is clear the POS mechanics are not working out as intended and heavily favour the rich (# of POS) and (a few) devoted POS managers with alarmclocks. CCP: Randomize the Reinforced time. But this conflict lasts for a loooong time near a yaer as I know... And Coalition seting their POSs too and RA killing that POSs.. So what's the point? RA with 200+ active pilots can fight Coalition POSs but Coalition can't fight RA POSs even with much larger capital fleet? Maybe the key for victories in such war not the number of pilots but tactics and brain work? ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:24:00 - [118] I would really like to know how many large POS RA has killed in any major station system in the last 6 months.. 1? 2? None?
Jaabaa Prime Dental Drilling Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:30:00 - [119] The deaths at the POS at C-J6MT Planet II Moon 1 weren't exactly in the coalition's favour, oh well ** happens. A few words though about RA's tactics and how I personally assess them: --- 1) Logon, attack enemy ships, logoff and do something else with an alt. Valid tactic, who wants to sit in a station/POS for hours out numbered in local. Frustation level: 4/10 --- 2) Warp in at +200k using fully equipped T2 tempests then getting out before anyone can get close enough to scramble you. Valid tactic, but damn, can't you use the same warp in point repeatedly, please. Frustation level: 6/10 --- 3) Set up POS strontium levels so that the POS some out of reinforced "just" before downtime and refuel POSs using capital ships with jump drives. Legal tactic but it only became viable with the addition of capital ships to the game, no blockade can stop it regardless of it's size. Frustation level: 10/10 --- 4) Logging on capital fleet at one time to engage a capital fleet at a POS. Valid tactic, shows good communication and dedication. Frustation level: 0/10 --- So the only thing that is really** frustrating is the ability to manage and maintain POS installations using capital ships with next to no risk. You can have hundreds of pilots in system and roaming the area but there is little they can do to counter the "cyno refuelling" of POS installations. Let's be honest, if capital ships couldn't transport POS fuel, then the siege that happened in F2A would have been over in no time, and the same would apply to C-J6MT. But IMHO CCP's plans about sovreignty, siege and POS refueling went out the window as soon as jump drives entered the game. -- Mini Skill Planner
Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:33:00 - [120] There's two kinds of pos wars. 1) Stupid defences - you only need to plant a few poses and not shoot any or shoot only a few offline smalls or something. This is the only situation when RA goes to offence in pos war at the moment, and it's stupid since it actually forces the attacker to be the defender. But like I said, C-J siege isn't that since RA isn't the attacker and the moons are already full. This is the biggest stupidity of pos wars also btw, since you can theoretically conquer a station without really fighting the enemy at all. 2) Shooting poses down to plant your own poses. Now, coalition has had to do 2). 2) is either a) time consuming and boring or b) time consuming and next to impossible and quite dangerous due to organized enough resistances. RA being very dedicated and poses being hard to conquer with any kind of decent-sized force defending them it is quite quessable that this is the b) situation. Like many have hinted to the ignorant, it is _VERY_ hard to conquer poses when they have dedicated defenders who know what they're doing, and RA know what they're doing. I'd like to see those who are whining about numbers and stuff to try it themselves with their corp/alliance/something.

Kheo Sen Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:41:00 - [121] RA are not that easy to get rid off. Coalition refuses to accept this "more then obvious" fact. Both sides smack in resonable amounts, some toons smack more then a lot - i guess all the RL frustration must be spilled somewhere.Some random toons and toon alts feel the need to respond with some smarta.s replys. I think i just made a resume of EVE-O corp. and alliance discussions forums.
k1Lz Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:45:00 - [122] respect for RA fighting in C-J, u guys are the best in DEFENDING a POS, what i want to see is a POS who do not shoot ONE designated target and changing the target at 10 sec after the target is down. For the rest who think coalition is an easy target pls step inside lets have some fun .. or just stfu.
PirateShampoo Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:56:00 - [123] Originally by: Burzhuj WCS nerfed already, Interdictors... Yeah we've all seen how long they last in battles...
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:00:00 - [124] CCP should organise a POS tournament. ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:03:00 - [125] Originally by: Beyond Horizon If you are such a big coalition fanboi, why did you leave -v- for BoB then? So everyone whoi's pointing out a few, commonly forgotten, POS warfare mechanics automatically falls in your definition of a 'fanboi' ? However if that's an attempt to troll, try again.
King Dave Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:20:00 - [126] GJ ra, well played, defending is alot easier than attackign though :) ------------------------------- don't speak english... f1, f2, alt-q!
McDan Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:22:00 - [127] Edited by: McDan on 06/08/2006 12:23:45 Originally by: Basilii hmm pos wars. every alince in eve killed /killing pos's every day , everyone find his own way to defeat the enemy. and only poor coalition pilots cant do it . t2 tissue maybe give you ? or t2 toilet paper? Let us not get carried away here ladies. RA may have won a few battles in this war but that is bound to happen in any large war regardless of numbers. The fact of the matter is that RA only has a single station left after having owned several regions. They were always bound to have an advantage when we entered the endgame. At this point it is no longer about PVP supremacy. POS warfare is the focus, RA know this as well as anyone, and anything else that happens is simply a side issue.
MACTEP Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:25:00 - [128] Originally by: c0rn1 Edited by: c0rn1 on 05/08/2006 22:17:10 Edited by: c0rn1 on 05/08/2006 22:15:00 For the strong BoB guys in here. We could give you a 1 week vacation in C-J if you want to and you can try your best there. If you are successful, RA can rebuild the towers again and we go on. IF RA is successful defending it, they can have Delve. But just to give you a small hint how it is trying to kill POSs which always come out of reinforcement at your lowest game time and strongest for RA. Shields are boosted in 30 mins with 6 carriers. NP and after DT stron is refueled. 8 hardeners are not a rare at RA POSs. If you want a try, contact me. I will convince the coalition of a 1 week ceasefire with RA so you can have a challenge. regards P.S.: This is a game. and a game demands challenges. Are you up for it? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL again and again coalition try to destroy RA using forces of other alliances))did not laugh so a long time ago... May be we will make attempt call from other side? How will coalition fight vs RA without -LV- for few months))) And it is interestingly to look what will remain from it)))What do you think about it Brave man? its will be more respectable then CALL BOB ON OFF FORUM to show their skill in capture c-j ))) coalition will mine and hunt while RA again ll lose their ships )))humiliatingly RA don t cry on off forum "omg they blob us .....smb plz come and help us"....)))))))) i think i know answer...... Time flows new patches appear new ships and only old war remains unchanging )))the same fan...the same actions...nothing more nothing less p.s. wanna abbadon )
Ilmonstre Minmatar Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2006.08.06 13:29:00 - [129] Originally by: DirtyHarry I think he is just mad that their coalition of 5~ alliances cant organise the logistics to take down some pos' from a single alliance :< you dont understand do ya. most alliances have few people online the last 3 hours pre dt and the first few after dt and it seems most POS come out of reinforced during those hours and RA alliance has decent numbers around those hours so they can basicly send in more people then even the combined forces of the said other alliances and you also know that alot of alliances have deadweight and RA has very few of those in their alliance now.
Rover Vitesse Gallente Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 13:57:00 - [130] For all those watching from the sidelines, interested in what has become perhaps, THE longest and bitterest war in Eve history, I'm glad what The Coalition v RA are doing in the south is still making the headlines after all this time. Now, if the combatants sat back and realized that they are taking part in one of the longest running Events ever (except perhaps for the Gallente Election ), kept the smack down, just enjoyed being a part of history in the making and forgot about the statistics for a few minutes, we would all be happier. You can't make an ommelette without breaking a few eggs, lets see what the results are at the end of this conflict. Rovers Chronicles

Velios M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:10:00 - [131] I would also defy any other alliance in EVE to take part in this conflict with RAand not suffer the same losses as we are. All talk of questionable tactics aside, they are putting up a great fight but there will only be one outcome here. We have taken some severe losses, luck has been against us on a few occasions but we are still going to get through this. Rover is right, this is probably one of the longest territorial campaigns in EVE so far and more capital ships have been deployed throughout this campaign (on both sides) than in any other I can recall. This campaign is part of history, win or lose it's going to be remembered for a long time. M.Corp BPC Packages
Zakalwe	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:23:00 - [132] Originally by: MACTEP LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL again and again coalition try to destroy RA using forces of other alliances))did not laugh so a long time ago... Master, You were not the Minister of Info in Bagdad ? Hmmm... Dan Simmons Hyperion and Iain.M.Banks Culture Novels : for SF Connoisseurs only
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:24:00 - [133] Originally by: Aeon Yakati Originally by: Beyond Horizon If you are such a big coalition fanboi, why did you leave -v- for BoB then? So everyone whoi's pointing out a few, commonly forgotten, POS warfare mechanics automatically falls in your definition of a 'fanboi' ? However if that's an attempt to troll, try again. Nope, only a question cause I'm curious. Feel free to answer when ready :) - BH
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:28:00 - [134] Originally by: Velios I would also defy any other alliance in EVE to take part in this conflict with RAand not suffer the same losses as we are. All talk of questionable tactics aside, they are putting up a great fight but there will only be one outcome here. We have taken some severe losses, luck has been against us on a few occasions but we are still going to get through this. Rover is right, this is probably one of the longest territorial campaigns in EVE so far and more capital ships have been deployed throughout this campaign (on both sides) than in any other I can recall. This campaign is part of history, win or lose it's going to be remembered for a long time. Yes indeed. And, despite the calls of glorifcation posts, I for one am glad these kinds of posts are made, it makes for interesting reading for those that are observing from afar. GG all.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:48:00 - [135] Edited by: Plutoinum on 06/08/2006 14:51:43 Was well played from RA. We've surely made some mistakes, otherwise we wouldn't have lost so many BS at a pos in one engagement on Friday. Not gonna discuss this here. But the guys that weren't there and know it all better should just shut up, especially the guys, who never had to fight against a hostile sniper fleet at a hostile large pos. If you have to take down over 20 (?) large-poses against a defending fleet, it isn't easy. Noone ever said that RA are morons. They know how to fight this and to use their advantages. So to RA: 'Well played.' and the others, who know it all, but actually have no clue what's happening in C-J: 'rabble rabble bla bla'
Nagilam	Posted - 2006.08.06 14:49:00 - [136] Edited by: Nagilam on 06/08/2006 14:50:17 RA killboards are unbelievably inaccurate and biased. Guys i killed alone, have not posted their losses. E.g One very very prominant RA pvper hasnt lost a ship since June on RA killboards, but on the LV killboards he has lost 4-5 Apocs and his pod...all very recently. We had all the propaganda before and it made no difference and it wont again. Enuf said. Nagilam Quam Singulari Lokta Volterra
Shadoo The Taining corp	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:13:00 - [137] Edited by: Shadoo on 06/08/2006 15:13:40 Well played RA. Despide what everyone says about the boredom of fighting you (having camped gate for 16h straight with not even a noob corp alt come through, I can testify to that) -- you continue to make the fight interesting every now and then with good attacks like this. Let's continue to enjoy a good fight and keep down the smack . Personally I find it interesting to see the tables turned with the Coalition sieging your last 0.0 home base. I'm sure those been in this fight for a while remember when it was the other way around in Wicked Creek (RA Capital Siege of Q-GQ) . Perhaps we can all agree that with both sides having BS support fleet in a system where capitals are at work -- things get pretty interesting for the attacking side . See you on the battlefield!
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:48:00 - [138] Originally by: MACTEP LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL again and again coalition try to destroy RA using forces of other alliances))did not laugh so a long time ago... May be we will make attempt call from other side? How will coalition fight vs RA without -LV- for few months))) And it is interestingly to look what will remain from it)))What do you think about it Brave man? its will be more respectable then CALL BOB ON OFF FORUM to show their skill in capture c-j ))) coalition will mine and hunt while RA again ll lose their ships )))humiliatingly RA don t cry on off forum "omg they blob us .....smb plz come and help us"....)))))))) i think i know answer...... Time flows new patches appear new ships and only old war remains unchanging )))the same fan...the same actions...nothing more nothing less p.s. wanna abbadon ) if you do not understand what I wrote then a long LOLLLLL won't help ya, mate. This post hadn't too much to do with RA themselves. it's about game mechanics which holds your current state in favor. Dianabolic saw it right. They don't WANT to play vs a flawed system at the moment. I am not calling BoB to help us outblobbing the system anymore. All I wanted is to make the ppl understand how fecked up the POS warfare system really is. Sorry that you didn't stand in the middle of my conclusion. RA was just used a synonym for perfect POS warfare. o/ x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
Feterous Jolin Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:23:00 - [139] Originally by: PirateShampoo The POS ganked my poor old interdictor hahaha /me shells out iskies for shampoo's replacement dictor -- My views do not represent my corporation nor my alliance.
Velios M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:02:00 - [140] Before RA starts to post more dread kills, Ill get the first word in. We have 300+ people in C-J and the lag is SO bad that people are CDT'ing when they jump into that system. RA are preying on people that crash and when dread pilots log back on they are logging back in in pods. Totally disgraceful. 2 dreads lost to this so far, and we have not even been able to get to a POS yet. ALL dread losses lost in this way will be petitioned.

Myal Terego PAX Interstellar Services Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:04:00 - [141] yup losing connection at a friendly pos, due to client freeze and logging back on in a clone lab is pretty lame, GG Red, you guys are the best ninjas in space ive ever fought.
Atlus Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:10:00 - [142] Ahahahaha... it needs 11 minutes for a coalition member to post his execuses on forum after losing dread :D its a damn Record :D
Velios M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:13:00 - [143] It's not an excuse, it's reality. Despite this though we are still gonna beat you, just know that all these dreads will probably be replaced with petitions. Maybe RA should concentrate on properly defending their system rather than taking advantage of lag.
FREAKZILLA1 Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:20:00 - [144] congrats on ur lameness today RA.
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:27:00 - [145] Originally by: FREAKZILLA1 congrats on ur lameness today RA. buhuuu, cry me a river - BH
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:28:00 - [146] Originally by: Atlus Ahahahaha... it needs 11 minutes for a coalition member to post his execuses on forum after losing dread :D its a damn Record :D What, you are proud of doing something that is a blatant exploit, that causes you to lose respect from people who even respected you? Its pathetic, and it isn't the RA that I used to know. Talk about a downturn from the russians in CA; you guys are absolutely pathetic in comparison. Shame on you. --------
dj lightning Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:28:00 - [147] Good job RA keep it up Might have to come down for some targets after TCF have been crushed
Soraya Silvermoon	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:28:00 - [148] I crashed while at a friendly pos and inside a friendly fleet... But since I`ve warped off to a spot and RA most likely have scanned me I cant log back in as RA will kill the dread.. This means I cant play the game. Worse exploitation of lag and game mechanics and server issues in general I`ve never seen before.. Why Dont we post this stuff in a new thread? Named RA EXPLOITING? Its a disgrace to the game what we go through daily with RA up here... (Ra know I usually give respect where respect is due. but now. I dont think I`ll pay respect or say good fight)
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:29:00 - [149] Originally by: dj lightning Good job RA keep it up Might have to come down for some targets after TCF have been crushed You guys are obviously blissfully unaware of how closely TCF and RA are affiliated, then --------
Atlus Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:31:00 - [150] Edited by: Atlus on 06/08/2006 18:33:13 Oh i am sorry i have forgotten that you are 1st sort of people for gm's and they reimburse your losses fast as you send petition... and we - 2nd sort ppl cant even hope that our losses will be reimbursed at all :D to enslaver: i dont need your respect and i am not the one who you knew someday

dj lightning Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:31:00 - [151] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: dj lightning Good job RA keep it up Might have to come down for some targets after TCF have been crushed You guys are obviously blissfully unaware of how closely TCF and RA are affiliated, then me/sighs targets targets and more targets.
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:31:00 - [152] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: dj lightning Good job RA keep it up Might have to come down for some targets after TCF have been crushed You guys are obviously blissfully unaware of how closely TCF and RA are affiliated, then and what this has to do with you? - BH
Skrypt Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:37:00 - [153] I have to say... I do sometimes enjoy reading RA's posts of small victories. I think once they're gone it will make for a great laugh and will be rather esteeming. I look forward to the post (I predict it'll be very soon) that ends all these bitter engagements. ___________
FREAKZILLA1 Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:39:00 - [154] Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: FREAKZILLA1 congrats on ur lameness today RA. buhuuu, cry me a river Its a dishonorable exploit that took advantage of poor game mechanics/lag, I am not crying as I am sure that the lost dreads will be replaced. I am simply stating the FACT that your tactics are lame much like your pvp skill in general.
La Tortura Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:48:00 - [155] So, let me guess what's happened... LV dreads gathered for attack and logged off at friendly pos, waiting for a few hours to take advantage of their time zone - it's getting late in Russia, and many of RA's have to go to work early tomorrow. So, they logged off, but forgot about existing of probes, immediatelly got probed and popped. Seems it happened that way, am I right? -- ignorance is bliss
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:50:00 - [156] Originally by: La Tortura So, let me guess what's happened... LV dreads gathered for attack and logged off at friendly pos, waiting for a few hours to take advantage of their time zone - it's getting late in Russia, and many of RA's have to go to work early tomorrow. So, they logged off, but forgot about existing of probes, immediatelly got probed and popped. Seems it happened that way, am I right? Wrong, they warped into c-j and got hit with lag hammer and emergency warped off due to connection lost to server.
Soraya Silvermoon	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:50:00 - [157] nope we jumped into c-j6. and were going to engage pos.. But 400ppl in local mess up things. so ppl crash left and right and the ones who crashes dies even we are not at an enemy pos and inside a friendly fleet
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:53:00 - [158] Originally by: Velios ALL dread losses lost in this way will be petitioned. We will petition the GMs to pop your dreads because we couldn't activate our modules on the jump in, furthermore we had frozen screen for 5 minutes, so in 5 minutes we could take out alot of your dreads, so your dirty exploiting draeds should be popped by GMs :DDDD - BH
Soraya Silvermoon	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:54:00 - [159] This is allso wrong.. We did not warp or anything.. we sat at the pos waiting to get organized to attack towers in near future. but some of us crashed. and some died while loggin in and some of us cant log in.
La Tortura Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:57:00 - [160] well, if so, your coverts should have probed your disconnected dreads and your support fleet should have warped to the disconnected dreads. As RA did. btw, someone from LV spoke someday about ships that shouldn't disappear when logged off in enemy space. So it has happened today, CCP hadn't even change their rules. Seems fair for me. -- ignorance is bliss

Selfe Caldari UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:58:00 - [161] Cant wait untill siege day 2 is posted :) Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:01:00 - [162] Logging off and client crashing and not being able to log back in are 2 different things. they didnt log off there. they crashed when they jumped in and since they didnt have an attack timer, they should've disappeared before RA could've probed em down and move the fleet there. x x x x x x x x x x x x x x -V- Diplomat -V- High Council Member Life's a waste of time ...
La Tortura Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:06:00 - [163] Originally by: c0rn1 Logging off and client crashing and not being able to log back in are 2 different things. they didnt log off there. they crashed when they jumped in and since they didnt have an attack timer, they should've disappeared before RA could've probed em down and move the fleet there. So now everyone who logged off in space (aka "logoffsky"(tm)) and got probed and killed can now pretend that he had logged out and get his ship reimbursed. Quite an interesting idea, I admit. Think RA guys should support your petition on this terms, if they _really_ do it as often as you have been telling us. -- ignorance is bliss
Brain Day Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:11:00 - [164] The RA killboard is funtimes, a third dread just went pop.
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:41:00 - [165] Originally by: c0rn1 Logging off and client crashing and not being able to log back in are 2 different things. they didnt log off there. they crashed when they jumped in and since they didnt have an attack timer, they should've disappeared before RA could've probed em down and move the fleet there. yeayea, same here, just make sure that our losses will be fully compinsated too if you are going to get reamburesement, so the things will be honest that way, mkay sweety? - BH
La Tortura Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:45:00 - [166] lol 6 dreads and a carrier down already :) -- ignorance is bliss
Betonela Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:46:00 - [167] dunno the history of RA but u seams to be a pwnage machine gogo
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:48:00 - [168] It's not a problem, the coalition has a fool proof strategy, bring 400 people, lag the system to death, and if your enemy happen to be able to lock you despite this, they'll petition the loss.
Brain Day Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:58:00 - [169] 10 carriers on the phoenix kill..
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:00:00 - [170] Originally by: Amerame It's not a problem, the coalition has a fool proof strategy, bring 400 people, lag the system to death, and if your enemy happen to be able to lock you despite this, they'll petition the loss. Priceless :D - BH

Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:00:00 - [171] Edited by: Plutoinum on 06/08/2006 20:04:11 Originally by: Amerame It's not a problem, the coalition has a fool proof strategy, bring 400 people, lag the system to death, and if your enemy happen to be able to lock you despite this, they'll petition the loss. Yes Mr. intelligent, if you show us how to control the system, protect the dreads against the attacking fleet and their carrier support and finally kill these large poses with 100 people, we might try that next time. (btw. there are only 3xx people in local at the moment, this includes afk people and reds)
Soraya Silvermoon	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:03:00 - [172] Originally by: Amerame It's not a problem, the coalition has a fool proof strategy, bring 400 people, lag the system to death, and if your enemy happen to be able to lock you despite this, they'll petition the loss. NO your wrong.. We sendt people out of the system even so we would get less lag as lag is helping the defenders n working against the attacker.
Drake Mezcal	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:05:00 - [173] Listen folks, i dont post much but i just want to comment, I was in todays battle and i thought it was one of the most organised ops we have done, but when it came to engage the enemy fleet, i locked a hostile scorpion, my first target....My fps were fine, it wasnt jumpy at all. Yet after 15minutes of the engagement and even thought the scorpion had warped out, it still appeared on my overview and i was still aquiring a target on it. Locking a non-existant target for 15minutes and unable to click anywhere else. with only 230 people in local, and most of them away near the gates, i think that is pathetic. You have no idea how much i DONT like blaming things on lag, because we are all aware of it and should find ways around it. But at the end of the day we took every precation, we loaded off grid, we staying in the pos grid all the time and kept drones in, yet this is what happens. Appauling. For the record Red Alliance, you did well, but to CCP, sort it out, otherwise how the hell are any major alliances going to progress through the game when even after EVERY precation nessaccary, taking a pos down becomes suicide. This is my point of view, so if this offends anyone i dont speak on behalf of my alliance.
Waahoo Minmatar Dental Drilling Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:06:00 - [174] I was gang warped out along with the other dreads. So if you think you managed to kill my Naglfar because you are so uber then you are indeed uber. Because you did it at 16.2 AUs. Screenshot
Evengard Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:07:00 - [175] Originally by: FREAKZILLA1 Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: FREAKZILLA1 congrats on ur lameness today RA. buhuuu, cry me a river Its a dishonorable exploit that took advantage of poor game mechanics/lag, I am not crying as I am sure that the lost dreads will be replaced. I am simply stating the FACT that your tactics are lame much like your pvp skill in general. Ships lost due to lag or non-server related disconnection will not be reimbursed. ___________________ Recon and Intercept
Billykid	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:17:00 - [176] Originally by: Waahoo I was gang warped out along with the other dreads. So if you think you managed to kill my Naglfar because you are so uber then you are indeed uber. Because you did it at 16.2 AUs. Screenshot Either they all fitted a Tombs Modified sensor booster or CCP is teh lose!
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:17:00 - [177] Lag is part of the fleet battle at the moment, and will probably keep being so for months. Everyone know the risk, everyone know there will be lag. If you put your capital fleet in a dangerous position it's your responsability, don't look stupid by "it's ok we're going to petition if we lose anyway". I agree that it's close to impossible to land the finishing blow on the last system of a mid sized alliance, if they put all their forces defending it even with incridible odds 10 to 1 it's difficult to win without tremendous losses, I think it's fair. I bet that if RA had 2 systems you'd be able to clean one of the two no problem and minimal losses. It might be an unintended result of the game mechanisms and the lag, but it sounds fair to me, if you want to completely erase an medium / large sized from the map, be ready for a bloodbath and to lose a few dreads on each PoS when you attack their last stronghold.
Quarantine Federation of Synthetic Persons YouWhat	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:18:00 - [178] Originally by: Waahoo I was gang warped out along with the other dreads. So if you think you managed to kill my Naglfar because you are so uber then you are indeed uber. Because you did it at 16.2 AUs. Screenshot Careful, if you petition that you'll probably get banned for 2 weeks.
Whoturned Outthelights	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:20:00 - [179] I treat this as a game and tbh would just feel a bit sorry for them if my "enemies" lost ships as a result of poor game coding/lag, its not really something to be proud of. Its like scoring a goal when your opponents keeper is down injured, yes its a goal buts not really playing the game (and at the end fo the day this is a game)
Fargas Minmatar RUS Academy Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:31:00 - [180] Edited by: Fargas on 06/08/2006 20:32:38 Originally by: Waahoo I was gang warped out along with the other dreads. So if you think you managed to kill my Naglfar because you are so uber then you are indeed uber. Because you did it at 16.2 AUs. Screenshot dude, i was here. you were in siege mode while we were killing that phoenix, and when you started to speed up you was immediately scramled and you never warped away. Mby you used some king of exploit to make this screenshot, dunno. klik, .... davno pora

Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:39:00 - [181] Edited by: Chowdown on 06/08/2006 20:39:45 Originally by: Fargas Edited by: Fargas on 06/08/2006 20:32:38 Originally by: Waahoo I was gang warped out along with the other dreads. So if you think you managed to kill my Naglfar because you are so uber then you are indeed uber. Because you did it at 16.2 AUs. Screenshot dude, i was here. you were in siege mode while we were killing that phoenix, and when you started to speed up you was immediately scramled and you never warped away. Mby you used some king of exploit to make this screenshot, dunno. Err evidence please, he has presented his. Where is the POS dump in C-J, save us the trouble of looking. Or do they not trust RUA with such important matters anymore?
Fargas Minmatar RUS Academy Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:42:00 - [182] omg chow, pretty weak attemt to troll already replaced that carrier? there are no RUA poses in c-j6 klik, .... davno pora
Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:44:00 - [183] Edited by: Chowdown on 06/08/2006 20:44:30 Originally by: Fargas omg chow, pretty weak attemt to troll already replaced that carrier? there are no RUA poses in c-j6 Damn that was our only hope. Congrats on the carrier kill.
Mj Pronin Caldari R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:44:00 - [184] Originally by: FREAKZILLA1 Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: FREAKZILLA1 congrats on ur lameness today RA. buhuuu, cry me a river Its a dishonorable exploit that took advantage of poor game mechanics/lag, I am not crying as I am sure that the lost dreads will be replaced. I am simply stating the FACT that your tactics are lame much like your pvp skill in general. Dishonorable to attack with 10/1 advantage. As for the lag- we have 90 pilots in the system. you bring 300+ So you are the ones to use poor game mechanics and create lag. i'm not even stating the fact that you create even more lag when you log in your support fleet after fight starts and this way cause much more pressure on the cluster. As for your loss. Can you prove that is was crash and not lame logoff from your side? Even more- why didt you tell your 300+ comrades over TS that you crashed and was in need of cover? Ask yourself a question why RA covert managed to find your ship quicker and our fleet reacted even more quicker than your own gang? Thinking of this i more than sure that all you saying is lame excuse for your lame logoff. You deserve your punishment. All you can blame- yourself and your lazy fleet for letting you die without providing cover
McDan Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:48:00 - [185] Edited by: McDan on 06/08/2006 20:50:50 Originally by: Mj Pronin Originally by: FREAKZILLA1 Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: FREAKZILLA1 congrats on ur lameness today RA. buhuuu, cry me a river Its a dishonorable exploit that took advantage of poor game mechanics/lag, I am not crying as I am sure that the lost dreads will be replaced. I am simply stating the FACT that your tactics are lame much like your pvp skill in general. Dishonorable to attack with 10/1 advantage. As for the lag- we have 90 pilots in the system. you bring 300+ So you are the ones to use poor game mechanics and create lag. i'm not even stating the fact that you create even more lag when you log in your support fleet after fight starts and this way cause much more pressure on the cluster. As for your loss. Can you prove that is was crash and not lame logoff from your side? Even more- why didt you tell your 300+ comrades over TS that you crashed and was in need of cover? Ask yourself a question why RA covert managed to find your ship quicker and our fleet reacted even more quicker than your own gang? Thinking of this i more than sure that all you saying is lame excuse for your lame logoff. You deserve your punishment. All you can blame- yourself and your lazy fleet for letting you die without providing cover LOL login ay? they were 350km above the pos the whole time. Don't make the mistake of thinking everyone will stoop to your levels.
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:54:00 - [186] Edited by: Amthrianius on 06/08/2006 20:55:00 It shows you at 16+ au because the client sometimes loses sync with the server. This often happens with dread as they get stuck on the slightest things such as drones or other dread's but it doesnt update the client. So you are still there, but stuck on something. No real lag issue just client > server sync issues. Happened to me and my dread a few times, mostly the culprit is drones and it shows me 19au or so with enemy pos still shooting me. So i relog and it warps me back to the enemy pos which means i had never warped out to begin with. ---------------
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:55:00 - [187] Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: Velios ALL dread losses lost in this way will be petitioned. We will petition the GMs to pop your dreads because we couldn't activate our modules on the jump in, furthermore we had frozen screen for 5 minutes, so in 5 minutes we could take out alot of your dreads, so your dirty exploiting draeds should be popped by GMs :DDDD You're talking of this screenie ? Yes, sure, we generate lag on purpose to warp to a hostile large-pos with our ships and have fun this way. Screenie taken after the first 'engagement'. I'd call this russian server roulette. Not meant as an offense here, but the outcome is as uncertain as in russion roulette. Don't believe that we like to play that with capitals.
Jaabaa Prime Dental Drilling Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:58:00 - [188] Originally by: Mj Pronin As for your loss. Can you prove that is was crash and not lame logoff from your side? Why should a carrier pilot "lamely" logoff at a friendly POS just after jumping into the system with a capital fleet ? Originally by: Mj Pronin Ask yourself a question why RA covert managed to find your ship quicker and our fleet reacted even more quicker than your own gang? I have been asking myself that too ... How can you get scan probes launched (3 of them) AND a full analysis AND warp the cov ops there AND warp the gang to the cov ops AND kill the ship ... ALL in the time it takes for a ship to disappear after crashing without a PVP timer being active ? Care to share the secret with us -- Mini Skill Planner
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:06:00 - [189] Originally by: Mj Pronin As for your loss. Can you prove that is was crash and not lame logoff from your side? Actually, I can provide some footage to that effect . I have the Capitals jumping in on Fraps with 2 crash warping out a little after cynoing in. Of course a fraps will only show them turning & warping to a random place right after cyno-jump, so naturally that won't satisfy your mind that he did not go to take a little break and logged off right after cynoing in with the rest of the fleet . I also have the Moros gank (nice job) on Fraps and the Carrier + 2 Dreads killed while stuck in warp. Going to do some vid editing and post my first flick soon I hope .
Naphtalia Millennium E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:06:00 - [190] Edited by: Naphtalia on 06/08/2006 21:08:15 Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Care to share the secret with us 1) 3 coverts starting a scan job every 25seconds 2) alligned fleet should be possible in 40-50sec if you know where the CTD is gonna happen

Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:24:00 - [191] Originally by: La Tortura well, if so, your coverts should have probed your disconnected dreads and your support fleet should have warped to the disconnected dreads. As RA did. btw, someone from LV spoke someday about ships that shouldn't disappear when logged off in enemy space. So it has happened today, CCP hadn't even change their rules. Seems fair for me. Wow, please STFU already. It's pretty clear to me that you haven't the slightest clue about what situations like are like. If they had dreads crashing jumping in, then its pretty unplayable. When it is laggy like this, you can't hope to ove a fleet round, let alone spreadout and get more losses. So please, stfu when you have no idea what you are talking about.
Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:46:00 - [192] Originally by: Evengard Originally by: FREAKZILLA1 Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: FREAKZILLA1 congrats on ur lameness today RA. buhuuu, cry me a river Its a dishonorable exploit that took advantage of poor game mechanics/lag, I am not crying as I am sure that the lost dreads will be replaced. I am simply stating the FACT that your tactics are lame much like your pvp skill in general. Ships lost due to lag or non-server related disconnection will not be reimbursed. or non-server related disconnection For me it sounds very server related.
ralphie crom	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:49:00 - [193] seriously folks, all this smack talk makes me realize how many "man babies", actually play eve. how about just shoot each other and then log off when you get sleepy? being on one side of this war, i fail to understand why you girls are slap fighting over every little engagement that we have; just finish the task at hand and hold your tongue already. and lol, when we are overloading the servers with pilots, im not surprised that it becomes unplayable for many. don't make me shoot your eye out and cast you from valhala kid!
Soraya Silvermoon	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:56:00 - [194] Originally by: ralphie crom seriously folks, all this smack talk makes me realize how many "man babies", actually play eve. how about just shoot each other and then log off when you get sleepy? being on one side of this war, i fail to understand why you girls are slap fighting over every little engagement that we have; just finish the task at hand and hold your tongue already. and lol, when we are overloading the servers with pilots, im not surprised that it becomes unplayable for many. don't make me shoot your eye out and cast you from valhala kid! Whining to lag is one thing.. Read up.. What were worked up about is exploits...
Fargas Minmatar RUS Academy Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:59:00 - [195] stfu already you were trying to do login trap and were spanked in process blame yourself for it klik, .... davno pora
ralphie crom	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:00:00 - [196] Originally by: Soraya Silvermoon Originally by: ralphie crom stuff quote] Whining to lag is one thing.. Read up.. What were worked up about is exploits... oh i get it, but still this pointless bickering doesnt solve anything; petition, ***** beer. eventually they will change the jedi syste.....i mean log, wcs, pos mechanics.
Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:00:00 - [197] Originally by: Fargas stfu already you were trying to do login trap and were spanked in process blame yourself for it LOL
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:19:00 - [198] Originally by: Fargas stfu already you were trying to do login trap and were spanked in process blame yourself for it Would a hug help? Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Dao 2 The Scope	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:33:00 - [199] Originally by: Mj Pronin As for your loss. Can you prove that is was crash and not lame logoff from your side? u no... the game takes logs of when u crash :\| its not 100% accurate but it shows ;p and it saves it in ur eve folder example: 2006.08.05 18:35:16SHUTDOWN [3692]Crashed 0xC0000005, minidump written in C:/Program Files/CCP/EVE/logs\#crash b3913 2006.08.05 18.35.16.dmp 2006.08.04 06:46:31STARTUP [1888] 2006.08.04 06:46:33SHUTDOWN [3352]connection lost but heres an example of how it isnt accurate so dont atke it for being completely true ;p 2006.08.03 21:47:37STARTUP [2808] 2006.08.03 22:05:46SHUTDOWN [2808] 2006.08.04 04:06:15STARTUP [3352] 2006.08.04 06:46:31STARTUP [1888] 2006.08.04 06:46:33SHUTDOWN [3352]connection lost 2006.08.04 06:46:37SHUTDOWN [1888] ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Blitz0r Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:15:00 - [200] Originally by: Fargas stfu already you were trying to do login trap and were spanked in process blame yourself for it During my time with LV (which is from the start) The command of logoff and hide has been issued 0 (ZERO) times, i have never heard of such a thing within LV, but i do know that RA uses this a lot.. since we have you in our addressbooks.... when the whole screen goes logoff. or logon.. we always keep our BS support close to our Capital fleets.. usually on grid. M.Corp BPC Packages

Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:15:00 - [201] Guys, are you serious or just plainly ...? You are blaming us for attacking your ships, while lately you sole goal is to destroy our alliance at any cost, don't you? We kill as many as we can. How the hell should we know if your pilot just logged off, or crashed? Or shall we start to ask your permission every time we engage your ships, when we are about to attack? Shall we start to ask your permission to jump on you while you are attacking our POS? Shall you ask your permission to use probes to find your ships in space? Do we exploit now the game by using probes? Do we now exploit the game sumply by staying there and fighting back? During a few last days I have seen dozens of your pilots logging off while we were atacking their ships, when they were jumping in or whatever either to save their precious ship or the clone. More and more with every day. Shall we respect you for that? Or are we exploiting the game here as well, because we are not "allowed" to attack your pilots, unless they are in the huge blob and only at certain times when you are 100% ready? You came to our system with large fleet. You pretty well know, that server can't handle this at the moment, but you still try, because you know that only your numbers give you some chance to achieve at least something. So, you must blame yourselves, and yourselves only. Or do you expect us to logoff, or leave the system to let you attack our POS in "peace", so we don't create any extra lag for you? And that nonsense about reimbursement. Will GMs reimburse our losses as well, because numerous pilots in our fleet CTD when we warp on your large fleets? Will GMs reimburse our ships and POSes, because when our pilots CTD it is even worse due to our lesser numbers, since it is impossible to login back in for 2-5 minutes? Will GMs reimburse our POSes if we loose any, because you create enormous lag in the system? Will GMs reimburse our POSes/ships, because you are actively using addressbook exploit? Will GMs reimburse ships to our pilots, who are trying to undock, but the only thing they see is the black screen, and a few minutes later their new clone due to the fact that your fleet creates enormous lag when it is jumping to the station, or staying near the station (it has happened quite a few times already)? _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Galeb Minmatar Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:34:00 - [202] Originally by: Pastora Guys, are you serious or just plainly ...? Haha, i so agree with Pastora. I have tried to undock 4 times, just to get out of the station. All I would see is a black screen for 5 min then appear in my new clone... (and i have logs to prove it) so what do we call that now? Lame -V-/KOS station camp exploit? you're such a joke. STFU crybabies.
Taaketa Frist Information Science Security Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:35:00 - [203] Edited by: Taaketa Frist on 07/08/2006 00:36:53 To summarise this thread now for all the people who just started to read it. The Thread in Brief. RA > "They are shooting us!" Coaltion > "They are shooting us!" PEW PEW PEW smacktalk PEW PEW PEW OMG LAG PEW PEW PEW Smacktalk (Adlib: unidentified posters) The end. edit: In no way do I blame eitherside. I love to watch the smack its like a whole 'other game. -------------- Dang nabit
Selfe Caldari UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:37:00 - [204] This thread is just gonna go round and round in circles. Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
Mj Pronin Caldari R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:18:00 - [205] Read the last post of Pastora. This is exact what i wanted to say. Coalition.If you cannot play under conditions you created in this region so whf you still doing in c-j6? Go play your baby agent running and scord mining in empire. This is war. And winners are never judged. As this morning breaks out it cleary shows who is winning in this region. If you have any possibility to kill enemy- you doing this. And you dont care how you doing this. Only the kill counts. Remember- this is our region and we have nothing to lose and not going anywhere. So you may go on crash losing your capitals, or logoff losing them or whetever your want. As long as we killing them i dont care about your lame reasons why you losing them-save them for your finance representatives if your want your toys to be compencated.
Leo McGarry Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:21:00 - [206] Why is anyone trying to engage the Russians in conversation? Its not worth your time.
Skrypt Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:39:00 - [207] Originally by: Mj Pronin Remember- this is our system and we have nothing to lose and not going anywhere. Fixed. ___________
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.08.07 06:42:00 - [208] Originally by: Leo McGarry Why is anyone trying to engage the Russians in conversation? 'cause they can't beat Russians in game ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
V0rador Amarr Chicago Mobsters Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:45:00 - [209] lack of honor here. Good game RA.
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:58:00 - [210] Originally by: Mj Pronin Read the last post of Pastora. This is exact what i wanted to say. Coalition.If you cannot play under conditions you created in this region so whf you still doing in c-j6? Go play your baby agent running and scord mining in empire. This is war. And winners are never judged. As this morning breaks out it cleary shows who is winning in this region. If you have any possibility to kill enemy- you doing this. And you dont care how you doing this. Only the kill counts. Remember- this is our region and we have nothing to lose and not going anywhere. So you may go on crash losing your capitals, or logoff losing them or whetever your want. As long as we killing them i dont care about your lame reasons why you losing them-save them for your finance representatives if your want your toys to be compencated. Hey RA survived and thats a victory for sure, but I think that you should calm down in chest beating. The coalition in fact did take almost all your land. And looking at what the RA empire was and what it is now, thats a very big diference.

YZAAR Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:58:00 - [211] Edited by: YZAAR on 07/08/2006 11:59:12 Originally by: Pastora Will GMs reimburse our POSes/ships, because you are actively using addressbook exploit?
Hardin Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:10:00 - [212] It's Stalingrad in space! ------------------------------ Hardin's Blog (BACK UP!)
LTD THOR Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:16:00 - [213] Originally by: Hardin It's Stalingrad in space! m8.. you suck RLY! My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;)
Gunship Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 13:02:00 - [214] Fact: One battle does not loss or win the war. I think defending a POS is easier than attacking one. I think lag does make it harder to get the force you need in order to do the job. I think if downtime was move to 18:00 eve, or did not exist it would move the ballance. I think it's a game for me and work for others. I think we should all have a beer and chill So you want to join us?
Hardin Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.08.07 13:10:00 - [215] Originally by: LTD THOR Originally by: Hardin It's Stalingrad in space! m8.. you suck RLY! Thank you for that constructive and witty reply. I am not quite sure why my lighthearted comment seem to have upset you so - as it was merely intended as a non-critical observation. If it has caused you offence for some inexplicable unknowable reason then I apologise wholeheartedly as I do not go out of my way to deliberately upset anyone except terrorist Minmatars and pirates. ------------------------------ Hardin's Blog (BACK UP!)
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.08.07 13:46:00 - [216] Originally by: Gunship I think if downtime was move to 18:00 eve, or did not exist it would move the ballance. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 U rocks dude!! DT is a russian exploit for sure - the only thing prevents Coalition's victory... Lol ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
Rover Vitesse Gallente Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:07:00 - [217] Originally by: Obivan Efa Originally by: Gunship I think if downtime was move to 18:00 eve, or did not exist it would move the ballance. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 U rocks dude!! DT is a russian exploit for sure - the only thing prevents Coalition's victory... Lol You are such an RA fanboi I would be embarressed if I were in RA. Cheerleaders should be left on the sidelines. However, here is my personal opinion, delivered in a grown-up, thought out, concise manner. Right then, what's happening with C-J6MT? Lets look at a few facts. In order to take down these "Death-Star" POS that RA have placed requires a MASSIVE amount of Capital Ships. To protect these ships, you need a fairly large support fleet. Add into this that RA want to defend these POS (and get a few Capital Kills at the same time), and that means one thing. LOTS of people in one system. There is no way around this simple fact. Now, we all know that the server simply can't cope with the amount of hardware and pilots we are trying to cram in. There is no point in saying "take less ships", because the job just wouldn't get done. We cannot simply blockade the system and starve the POS out; jump drives have taken that option away from us. RA are smart. They know what they are doing and how best to achieve their aims. Therefore, the tools are simply not in the game for us to remove RA from C-J6MT, and all we are succeeding in doing is losing more capital ships for no net gain. Until either POS are changed in some way, to make it easier to remove them with less ships, or a random hardened state, or just something that enables the attackers to use less ships (and therefore less lag), things aren't going to change. I guess what I am trying to say is that C-J6MT is at a stalemate. The Coalition have the willing but not the tools to finish the job. RA have the willing and the defenders advantage on their side. Facts, not rumours, chest-beating or fanboi-ism. Have a nice day. Rovers Chronicles
La Tortura Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:17:00 - [218] To the all the pilots from so-called "Coalition" who propose some changes to POS'es here. Unfortunatelly you guys suggest and demand to/from CCP all wrong things... well, less lag isn't wrong, but that's all. You ask for "to make it easier to remove them with less ships, or a random hardened state, or just something that enables the attackers to use less ships (and therefore less lag)" etc etc etc. It wouldn't work. It probably will be worse for yourself, than for RA. What you really should demand from CCP is that these restrictions, like less POS hitpoints or random outofreinforcedstate are to be applied only to RA poses, but not to yours. This way you probably will happily win this war. -- ignorance is bliss
2Shae Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:17:00 - [219] Right i dont want to cause a flame but, when you've got alliances like LV who are well experianced and genrally have been a very good pvp force in the past combined with complete idiots like KOS, who like to scream for their lives in local chat when they're being killed and get more people killed because of it, its a complete recepie for disaster. Good pvpers especially on this scale come from experiance, LV + RA have that experiance and the losses on those sides are about equal, however this "coalition (omg lets make the overview pretty colours)" style alliance apparently isnt working for them. I'd be willing to bet that if LV went back to the way they attacked FIX when they first formed, they'd do a much better job. Without a doubt there are good alliances and corps in this war but when you combine with nubs its just makes the good guys with the **** friends look bad and the underdogs look great. At the end of the day some of the alliances / corps in the coalition need to learn how to fight on this scale and the tides might start changing, but without that your going to continue to suffer humiliating losses (and i dont care whether it was the pos or not, you died, nuff said.) Hopefully soon things will start changing, i want to see some real fights between LV / -V- and RA and less of this clay pigeon shooting that RA have been fed.
Fargas Minmatar RUS Academy Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:20:00 - [220] actually, in that specific situation coalition had all chances to win. But for some strange reason their commander didnt used our mistakes. Lucky day. klik, .... davno pora

Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:24:00 - [221] Originally by: Rover Vitesse You are such an RA fanboi I would be embarressed if I were in RA. Cheerleaders should be left on the sidelines. Actually I'm playing EVE for a long time but have never feel any special love to RA... quite the contrary.. because of different motives.. But RA vs. Coalition activities are making me RA's true fan And those Coalition member comments always make me laugh... We need to do a selection of such comments for our scions. ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
Rover Vitesse Gallente Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:27:00 - [222] Originally by: La Tortura To the all the pilots from so-called "Coalition" who propose some changes to POS'es here. Unfortunatelly you guys suggest and demand to/from CCP all wrong things... well, less lag isn't wrong, but that's all. You ask for "to make it easier to remove them with less ships, or a random hardened state, or just something that enables the attackers to use less ships (and therefore less lag)" etc etc etc. It wouldn't work. It probably will be worse for yourself, than for RA. What you really should demand from CCP is that these restrictions, like less POS hitpoints or random outofreinforcedstate are to be applied only to RA poses, but not to yours. This way you probably will happily win this war. Way to misquote and pull everything out of context. I was offering solutions to enable the tides of war to turn both ways. If there is simply NO WAY to remove an entrenched defender note: I said NO WAY, not VERY HARD, then don't you agree that something is wrong? I made a well structured and intelligent post; if you can not or will not reply in like manner, then you may as well not bother replying at all. Remember, THINK !, TYPE!, READ AGAIN! and then hit the POST REPLY! button. Rovers Chronicles
La Tortura Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:41:00 - [223] Originally by: Rover Vitesse Way to misquote and pull everything out of context. Nothing was misquoted, nothing was pulled out of context as well. Quote: I was offering solutions to enable the tides of war to turn both ways. Nope, you tried to find a way to make things easier for you, to be able to take CJ. You don't care about, say, XZH, H-W or latest Catch conflict, as you don't want to look on to these examples of succesfull for atackers POS wars. Yes, indeed, it is hard to beat out a strong enemy from his last system, but don't you think that it is supposed to be so? So that dedicated group of players have to be able to defend the last system against superior forces for some time? Quote: If there is simply NO WAY to remove an entrenched defender note: I said NO WAY, not VERY HARD, then don't you agree that something is wrong? Of course there are ways to do it, you just don't aware of them. If you don't know something it doesn't mean that the "something" does not exist. If you never saw say an elefant, go to a zoo and take look on it. Quote: I made a well structured and intelligent post; if you can not or will not reply in like manner, then you may as well not bother replying at all. Remember, THINK !, TYPE!, READ AGAIN! and then hit the POST REPLY! button. Don't be so nervous, man. Easy. And think yourself before you post. You looks too bitter in spite of all your tries to not to make your posts "well structured". I would strongly suggest you look around, out of RA-LV conflict and "think" about it. -- ignorance is bliss
Beyond Horizon Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:57:00 - [224] Originally by: Rover Vitesse Originally by: La Tortura To the all the pilots from so-called "Coalition" who propose some changes to POS'es here. Unfortunatelly you guys suggest and demand to/from CCP all wrong things... well, less lag isn't wrong, but that's all. You ask for "to make it easier to remove them with less ships, or a random hardened state, or just something that enables the attackers to use less ships (and therefore less lag)" etc etc etc. It wouldn't work. It probably will be worse for yourself, than for RA. What you really should demand from CCP is that these restrictions, like less POS hitpoints or random outofreinforcedstate are to be applied only to RA poses, but not to yours. This way you probably will happily win this war. Way to misquote and pull everything out of context. I was offering solutions to enable the tides of war to turn both ways. If there is simply NO WAY to remove an entrenched defender note: I said NO WAY, not VERY HARD, then don't you agree that something is wrong? I made a well structured and intelligent post; if you can not or will not reply in like manner, then you may as well not bother replying at all. Remember, THINK !, TYPE!, READ AGAIN! and then hit the POST REPLY! button. Mkay, what makes you think you are the ones who should do the "removing" thingie ? We ain't whining when we fail to outblobb you to take a system, now are we? Only your coalition from the whole EVE are DEMANDING some POS changes ... you should think about it for a moment... - BH
Tieger Gallente FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:31:00 - [225] Originally by: La Tortura Of course there are ways to do it, you just don't aware of them. If you don't know something it doesn't mean that the "something" does not exist. If you never saw say an elefant, go to a zoo and take look on it. So tell me then, what would YOU do? Taking down those POS whit firepower isn`t a solution even if we can yield the numbers. You cant blockade the system either since fuel can be brought in whit jumpdrives. Should we camp all those (hundreds?) of systems surrounding C-J for 23/7 for weeks in order to intercept that cyno-field the fuel carriers use? I guess it IS possible (in theory anyway). The question is, is this extensive efforts reasonable when compared to the objective; destruction of a couple of large POS in a single system run by a handful of pilots?
Marneous Calgar	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:45:00 - [226] The other problem is that while we may have 10K or whatever of pilots as members of the alliance the only members who are actually doing anything are the PVP'ers others are just mining away in 0.0 or empire. A lack of greater support of the infrastructure within the Coalition is something that is a great hinderence. RA has been winnnowed down to the players who are highly dedicated so they are able to reduce this problem. Once the Coalition can get the infrastructure going, mining corps mining to support the manufacturing corps building ships/mods/ammo and PVP'ers shooting away things might improve. Only problem with that is that people need to give more to their corp or whatever to do all this and thats completely dependant on how the person is.
La Tortura Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.07 16:25:00 - [227] Originally by: Tieger Originally by: La Tortura Of course there are ways to do it, you just don't aware of them. If you don't know something it doesn't mean that the "something" does not exist. If you never saw say an elefant, go to a zoo and take look on it. So tell me then, what would YOU do? Taking down those POS whit firepower isn`t a solution even if we can yield the numbers. You cant blockade the system either since fuel can be brought in whit jumpdrives. Should we camp all those (hundreds?) of systems surrounding C-J for 23/7 for weeks in order to intercept that cyno-field the fuel carriers use? I guess it IS possible (in theory anyway). The question is, is this extensive efforts reasonable when compared to the objective; destruction of a couple of large POS in a single system run by a handful of pilots? I would suggest you leave LV and join one of more successfull alliances that had done the similar jobs - had taken out defended enemy POS'es - in the last few weeks. They'll gladly show you how this boring work could be done. -- ignorance is bliss
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.08.07 16:34:00 - [228] Originally by: La Tortura I would suggest you leave LV and join one of more successfull alliances that had done the similar jobs - had taken out defended enemy POS'es - in the last few weeks. They'll gladly show you how this boring work could be done. Leaving LV and joing RA maybe? ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
Tieger Gallente FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 17:00:00 - [229] Originally by: La Tortura I would suggest you leave LV and join one of more successfull alliances that had done the similar jobs - had taken out defended enemy POS'es - in the last few weeks. They'll gladly show you how this boring work could be done. Thats very tempting offer, but no thanks. If you have a working solution for the liberation of heavily fortified C-J, something the coalition hasnt tried or considered yet, just eve mail it to me and i`ll pay you 5 isk. I wont be holding by breath though.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 17:14:00 - [230] Edited by: Plutoinum on 07/08/2006 17:22:49 Originally by: La Tortura I would suggest you leave LV and join one of more successfull alliances that had done the similar jobs - had taken out defended enemy POS'es - in the last few weeks. They'll gladly show you how this boring work could be done. It depends on the defender. I assume that the defender knows how to defend, how to setup and operate a battle pos for maximum advantage and that he has a competent fleet available for that purpose, operates with carriers in that pos to fight the dreads and their support fleet and so on. If you think that we never took out battle poses, you are blatently wrong. But the pos war has evolved and the defenders get better in it. Although we were able to take out several large battle pos in JLO in 28y (correct me, if I'm wrong) with 6-7 dreads with a rather simple system lock-down, the tactics have improved and it doesn't work anymore. Those times I thought: "Wow, 7 dreads, what a lot of fire power". Well, actually there were already some hardened pos, were 6 dreads had already problems. Then a few months ago in C-J with up to 17 dreads, we shot a bunch of large poses in reinforced mode and destroyed some, but under heavy losses. First day was ok, but slow progress, second day ended in another lag disaster with 4 or 5 dreads lost, 3 in one engagement. Then the problem, when the dread come out of siege mode, get into trouble and server is almost dying. Now in C-J yesterday it was probably the best organized and equipped pos attack that we did so far. If we had had that a few months ago we would just have 'pwned' every RED system with it, because they weren't so experienced in pos tactics, but yesterday it didn't work and we reached a limit. I think we are at the point, where you can't beat an experienced defender with the proper experience. First you kill the node and lose your ships. I don't think that anyone suggests to shoot more than a dozen large towers into reinforcment, when it means that you lose 4 or 5 capitals and a bunch of BS on each single pos and then you have to do it all again, when the pos come out of reinforcement. The effort and the costs are just not reasonable to kill a pos that's maybe defended by maybe 40 people, who know what they are doing. (Don't know how many they actually were.)

Zigadenus M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 17:51:00 - [231] The key limiting factor is the lag. If it were not for the lag, the system would probably be acceptable. But when >75% of significant losses (capital ships) is entirely lag related, then something needs to change. ________________________________________________ Kyle > Why do you have to ask me all these complicated questions? Zerodragon > Dude, IÆm trying to save your setup from complete suckage.
Rover Vitesse Gallente Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.07 17:59:00 - [232] Originally by: La Tortura snip! Which just proves your failure to understand the issues we are dealing with here. I'll break it down into little chunks, to make it easier for you to understand. 1)The POS are hardened and defended so much that at least 15 Dreads are required to take them down in a reasonable timescale. FACT. 2)The system has been blockaded for such a long time the only feasible way RA can refuel the towers is by jumping Capital ships in; impossible to blockade against. FACT. 3)When fielding Capital ships, you have to provide cover against the defenders, or you may as well write them off. FACT. 4)When the defenders of the POS attack the Capital fleet, you have to try to defend your Capital ships. This will ALWAYS be at the enemy POS. Lots of capitals+Lots of support+Lots of defenders=LAG. FOR BOTH SIDES. Even the RA guys in this thread have said so. FACT. 5)There comes a point where it is simply not worth it to use your capital ships, because they are simply not going to take down the RA POS. FACT. I have taken part on more POS takedowns than I care to remember. Back in the day it was possible to do it in a reasonable timescale with Battleships. As the science of POS ownership has improved, it has got to the stage where a dedicated team can keep a POS running indefinately, with little risk to themselves apart from a few Battleships when the attacking Capital fleet turns up. Those are the facts, if you don't want to believe me, then nothing I say will make you change your mind. Rovers Chronicles
ching'sta Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.07 18:20:00 - [233] The coalition got more cannonfodder meaning they dont care really. They win and take space anyway. Ra got less players thats why they play more intense and skilled they have to be sharpen when dealing with massive numbers like that and the coalition dont. anyway thats what a noobie like me think.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 20:15:00 - [234] Originally by: Obivan Efa Originally by: Gunship I think if downtime was move to 18:00 eve, or did not exist it would move the ballance. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 U rocks dude!! DT is a russian exploit for sure - the only thing prevents Coalition's victory... Lol "Dont argue with the Idiot sicne he will drag u down to his level and beat you up with experience " Guys it is useless to argue with a fanboi realy ! "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Hessi The Forsakened Companions	Posted - 2006.08.07 22:50:00 - [235] Originally by: La Tortura Originally by: Tieger Originally by: La Tortura Of course there are ways to do it, you just don't aware of them. If you don't know something it doesn't mean that the "something" does not exist. If you never saw say an elefant, go to a zoo and take look on it. So tell me then, what would YOU do? Taking down those POS whit firepower isn`t a solution even if we can yield the numbers. You cant blockade the system either since fuel can be brought in whit jumpdrives. Should we camp all those (hundreds?) of systems surrounding C-J for 23/7 for weeks in order to intercept that cyno-field the fuel carriers use? I guess it IS possible (in theory anyway). The question is, is this extensive efforts reasonable when compared to the objective; destruction of a couple of large POS in a single system run by a handful of pilots? I would suggest you leave LV and join one of more successfull alliances that had done the similar jobs - had taken out defended enemy POS'es - in the last few weeks. They'll gladly show you how this boring work could be done. I seriously hope you are not refering to your "friends" in D2 here, because then this would be the fastest try to rewrite EVE history. D2 was not able to take a single player defended GS POS down during the whole XZH campaign, the best they managed was to put some into reinforced. The only POSses they destroyed before the fighting stopped was a POS that was caught during anchoring and POSses in Fade that were not defended. D2 bought XZH by putting more than 40 Large POS up in a 80 moon system, a definite victory, but don t claim things that just didn t happen please.
Luna Negra FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.08 06:18:00 - [236] Originally by: La Tortura more successfull alliances that had done the similar jobs - had taken out defended enemy POS'es - in the last few weeks. They'll gladly show you how this boring work could be done. I think we will hire you to do the job to back up your claims? Gravity you win again!
La Tortura Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.08 07:49:00 - [237] Originally by: Luna Negra I think we will hire you to do the job to back up your claims? Man, no offence, I know that nerves on the both sides are still tensed, but you've just shown a perfect case of the functional illiteracy - a case when people are able to read written text but aren't able to understand it's meaning. You shouldn't hire _me_, I'm just a modest casual "afterwork" player. You should hire those who have done the job, and there are the examples of the job being done. Haven't got thru all that other gevalt posted above. Too many lettars. I just want to remind Coalition pilots, remind them one more time, that almost all major siege operations in the EVE had come to the end with the bitter loss of the defending side. One way or another. So even if POS warfare favors the defender - and it should, think you all would agree with me - it seems that it doesn't favor devender hard enough. And that CJ case is an exception from the rule but not the rule itself. The CJ case shows only that Coalition forces are stronger than RA, but still not enough strong to be able to strike a long and successfull offensive operation on the system which has all opponent's resources allocated to it. And looking on the fact that the Coalition has 10:1 against RA total, and 3:1 on the CJ battlefield, the next conclusion should be that the quantity is't plain equal to the "force" in EVE. Also the Coalition didn't want to sacrifice part of their real life for the game, for example take a week off to raise their ranks in RA favour time to kiil POS'es put into reinforced. I perfectly understand the Coalition in it tho, as I wouldn't do it myself as well. But seems like the RA core is willing to trade some of they life for the victory in the game, and that gives them another advantage. Good luck to both sides. Think you'll never be sorry about the time spend in this game. -- ignorance is bliss
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.08 08:05:00 - [238] la turtura, would u say d2 isnt stronger then goonswarm?, because s2 couldnt shoot down their pos`s for pretty similiar reasons. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Tieger Gallente FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.08 08:20:00 - [239] Originally by: La Tortura stuff Ignorance is a bliss, indeed. Why dont you go over the replies to your claims one more time? Originally by: La Tortura So even if POS warfare favors the defender - and it should, think you all would agree with me - it seems that it doesn't favor defender hard enough. True, bigger fleets should be needed to take em down. I mean theres virtually no lag in POS "battles" as it is. And whats whit the comment that the coalition doesnt have enough dedication to fight RA? p7, anyone? Really, letting something like that out from your mouth just shows how little you know about the situation.
el Bodak Varsity Corsairs	Posted - 2006.08.08 08:29:00 - [240] Originally by: La Tortura You shouldn't hire _me_, I'm just a modest casual "afterwork" player. In one sentence you've succeeded in eroding every last grain of credibility that might have existed in all of the arrogant critique and commentary you've posted so far, and there's no shortage there. Well done! Originally by: La Tortura You should hire those who have done the job, and there are the examples of the job being done. So I guess everyone should start ignoring anything you have to say on the matter as well, since you clearly don't know wtf you're on about.

Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.08 08:51:00 - [241] OK, my two cents I'm really not **ed of at RA and I think few people are, if I just look at the fights last weekend. From the perspective of the warring parties, it was a decent fight (though I don't speak russian, so I have no clue as to what was said in local ). Also the game mechanic of POS warfare is generally not that bad IMO. It think it has its flaws, some people don't like the POS spamming employed by RA. But I feel that is a valid tactic under the current system, so no complaints from me there. It can also be kinda boring I guess to sit for hours and hours shooting POS after POS. But again, the mechanics do function in principle. The REAL problem, and the reason for a huge amount of frustration, is the incompatibility of current game mechanics with server performance. If servers were capable of handling 600 ships fighting in a system, at a POS, with little to no lag, I am sure C-J could have been the stuff of epic tales for years to come. A massive capital warfleet attacking heavily defended POSses, capable of incinerating a battleship with a single volley. The defenders coming in, sniper battleships with the heaviest ammo money can buy, picking off dreads with focused fire, trying to blow them up. And then flying off just in time (or just too late) before the support fleet for the dreads manage to lock them down, but in the meantime facing withering fire from the POS guns, taking heavy losses. That would have been awesome. Regardless of the losses on either side, regardless of who would have won. Unfortunately, due to hardware failure, we get players infuriated and frustrated as all they do is look at slideslows or empty black screens while they see shields and armor disappear, under fire from an invisible enemy, unable to activate any module. THAT causes the frustration, and the feeling of 'whatever, we'll come back when they fix this **". And I also think this throws the gauntlet in CCP's face. Either change the game mechanics so that the hardware can handle it, or change the hardware so the current game mechanics can actually work. Either would be good, but one of them MUST be done. And if improving the hardware (or the way the software is programmed, so it takes up less resources) is impossible to implement due to technological restrictions, the only option is to change the game mechanics.
La Tortura Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.08 08:55:00 - [242] Edited by: La Tortura on 08/08/2006 08:55:06 Originally by: el Bodak Originally by: La Tortura You shouldn't hire _me_, I'm just a modest casual "afterwork" player. In one sentence you've succeeded in eroding every last grain of credibility that might have existed in all of the arrogant critique and commentary you've posted so far, and there's no shortage there. Well done! Originally by: La Tortura You should hire those who have done the job, and there are the examples of the job being done. So I guess everyone should start ignoring anything you have to say on the matter as well, since you clearly don't know wtf you're on about. One more example of the functional illiteracy. Good job, man. Keep it up. -- ignorance is bliss
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.08.08 09:20:00 - [243] Edited by: Obivan Efa on 08/08/2006 09:23:00 EVE is changing... Those times then corps with large BS fleet have ruled are passed... U can't just come with a blob in the system and take it in a several hours... Enemy system must be sieged... Siege supposed to be hard, long and exacting... not just come-jump-press F1,F2,F3..-win Siege is a hard work but POS defence is a hard work too... The prise for such work - system or region. And those terms should be accepted. I understend the Coalition... Such sieges can be bored to death, hard and long... thats true So there are 2 exits.. 1) Coalition goes for such siege.. with allday round campings, full blockades for weeks, hard strikes on POSes with big losses and so on.. 2) Coalition signs NAP with RA with mutually acceptable terms. As I can see RA is different from RA more then year time ago... I think that RA has better organisation and more responsible leadership now. All is up to u. ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.08 09:26:00 - [244] Originally by: Obivan Efa EVE changes... Those times then corps with large BS fleet have ruled are passed... U can't just come with a blob in the system and take it in a several hours... Enemy system must be sieged... Siege supposed to be hard, long and exacting... not just come-jump-press F1,F2,F3..-win Siege is a hard work but POS defence is a hard work too... The prise for such work - system or region. And those terms should be accepted. I understend the Coalition... Such sieges can be bored to death, hard and long... thats true So there are 2 exits.. 1) Coalition goes for such siege.. with allday round campings, full blockades for weeks, hard strikes on POSes with big losses and so on.. 2) Coalition signs NAP with RA with mutually acceptable terms. As I can see RA is different from RA more then year time ago... I think that RA has better organisation and more responsible leadership now. All is up to u. Option 1 is not possible under the current game. In a siege, the game will lag to a complete halt. I agree that dreadlosses should happen, even with a big fleet, and even with a lot of support, if the defender has a well-setup POS dreads should be at risk. If there is a big defense fleet, dreads should be at very serious risk. But that risk should be being outgunned by the enemy, being outsmarted. NOT being hit by lag and stare at a black screen, for 10 minutes, not able to activate any mods, then wake up after crashing in a pod.
Raxxar Friends Corp	Posted - 2006.08.08 09:36:00 - [245] Come on ppl, it's just funny to read: "RA POS spamming"... When Chimaera Pact launched their campaign to RA they deployed 24 POS, that was spamming but we killed them all in 24 hours even without dreads. Recently p7 was captured, so RA managed to kill couple of POS there? Why coal can't? Also I don't think that it's RA fault that you use t1 cruisers in your engagements. After watching kos moovie "we fought the lag" I was surprised, I haven't noticed any lags there except in title And yeah, mining ravens made me laugh to death:) Nice innovation! I think you can ask devs to add mining bonus to ravens in kali:)
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.08.08 09:37:00 - [246] Lags are out of terms for sure... Lagging is bad for all.. I agree.. But we can nothing to do with this. Bringing 300+ gang u create lag by urself and for urself... It's all 'bout "blob-jump-kill doctrine".. such things will have less use in new EVE game terms... Siege can't be done in 1-2 days in such cases... that's the point.. If u'll be able to take system in 1 day u'll be able to lose it in 1 day too.. We saw such things in the past. ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
el Bodak Varsity Corsairs	Posted - 2006.08.08 09:40:00 - [247] Originally by: La Tortura One more example of the functional illiteracy. Good job, man. Keep it up. You might want to look into Zyprexa, chief. You're loud and clear, regardless of what you think you meant.
Raxxar Friends Corp	Posted - 2006.08.08 09:47:00 - [248] Originally by: Rover Vitesse Originally by: La Tortura To the all the pilots from so-called "Coalition" who propose some changes to POS'es here. Unfortunatelly you guys suggest and demand to/from CCP all wrong things... well, less lag isn't wrong, but that's all. You ask for "to make it easier to remove them with less ships, or a random hardened state, or just something that enables the attackers to use less ships (and therefore less lag)" etc etc etc. It wouldn't work. It probably will be worse for yourself, than for RA. What you really should demand from CCP is that these restrictions, like less POS hitpoints or random outofreinforcedstate are to be applied only to RA poses, but not to yours. This way you probably will happily win this war. Way to misquote and pull everything out of context. I was offering solutions to enable the tides of war to turn both ways. If there is simply NO WAY to remove an entrenched defender note: I said NO WAY, not VERY HARD, then don't you agree that something is wrong? I made a well structured and intelligent post; if you can not or will not reply in like manner, then you may as well not bother replying at all. Remember, THINK !, TYPE!, READ AGAIN! and then hit the POST REPLY! button. You said no way? You would be surpriced if you\d know how many large POSes go boom every day. And yeah:"THINK !, TYPE!, READ AGAIN! and then hit the POST REPLY! button."
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.08 09:49:00 - [249] Good JOb RA. Fighting the blobbb and obviously doing well, Judging by how p7ssed off your enemies are As long as your enemy dies, who cares how, guns, missiles , drones, pos, blehh Signature removed - Too wide.Laurelin
La Tortura Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.08 10:13:00 - [250] Originally by: el Bodak Originally by: La Tortura One more example of the functional illiteracy. Good job, man. Keep it up. You might want to look into Zyprexa, chief. You're loud and clear, regardless of what you think you meant. Did you wanna tell something? -- ignorance is bliss

el Bodak Varsity Corsairs	Posted - 2006.08.08 10:17:00 - [251] Originally by: La Tortura Did you wanna tell something? I don't think you could afford my help.
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.08 10:50:00 - [252] Gah the smack here on both sides is totally tarded. CCP fix the game. RA GG. Coalition, thx for giving it ur best lads, i had fun. http://members.lycos.co.uk/snailbrain/hateme.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Luna Negra FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.08 11:20:00 - [253] Originally by: Raxxar When Chimaera Pact launched their campaign to RA they deployed 24 POS, that was spamming but we killed them all in 24 hours even without dreads. You destroyed small posses with no guns and no strontium in them. some off them were even offline... Do you honestly compare that to C-J? Gravity you win again!
Raxxar Friends Corp	Posted - 2006.08.08 11:27:00 - [254] Originally by: Luna Negra Originally by: Raxxar When Chimaera Pact launched their campaign to RA they deployed 24 POS, that was spamming but we killed them all in 24 hours even without dreads. You destroyed small posses with no guns and no strontium in them. some off them were even offline... Do you honestly compare that to C-J? Some of them had gun or two. My point was not about config but about spamming.
welsh wizard	Posted - 2006.08.08 11:27:00 - [255] I think you should all make up. Once thats done haul your 15,000 arses to Delve/Querious and shoot the real bad guys. :D
Rover Vitesse Gallente Crisis Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.08 11:37:00 - [256] Originally by: Raxxar You said no way? You would be surpriced if you\d know how many large POSes go boom every day. And yeah:"THINK !, TYPE!, READ AGAIN! and then hit the POST REPLY! button." The art of setting up a L POS and defending it has got so high now (specifically RA, and well done to them for this) that there is no way to take down an RA "death-star" POS. I am not talking about a poorly set-up, poorly defended one like we saw this time last year, and probably still see in certain places in the eve-universe. I could probably find 50 POS today and take them out with the fleet we had assembled. None of the ones ran by RA in C-J6MT would be in those 50 however. Rovers Chronicles
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.08.08 11:56:00 - [257] Originally by: Rover Vitesse The art of setting up a L POS and defending it has got so high now (specifically RA, and well done to them for this) that there is no way to take down an RA "death-star" POS. If u like analogy with Star Wars... than I think that RA is more like "Rebel Alliance" now and The Coalition is like "Galactic Empire".. Small Red Rebel Alliance using The Force stands against Huge Galactic Coaliton... ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.08 12:00:00 - [258] if there would be less lagg my guess is that the statistics would be very different. But ofcourse if i was RA i would be very happy. However its all about working with the system and in that battle RA did it better then We did. anyway they have may one a batlle they havent won the war.
Papa Digger REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.08 12:10:00 - [259] Secret video from RA covert ops pilot. Coalition forces invade C-J6MT. video ---- CEO.
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.08 12:21:00 - [260] Originally by: Papa Digger Secret video from RA covert ops pilot. Coalition forces invade C-J6MT. video Funny, and yet so close to the thruth .

Gunship Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.08 12:25:00 - [261] Originally by: Malachon Draco OK, my two cents And I also think this throws the gauntlet in CCP's face. Either change the game mechanics so that the hardware can handle it, or change the hardware so the current game mechanics can actually work. Either would be good, but one of them MUST be done. Very good post (but did not want to quote the whole thing), so just wanted to highlight your valid point about game mechanics. We do need a solution. Lossing a Dread to lag is one thing, lossing a titan.... As the game progress we need to actualy be able to use the toys we are given. So you want to join us?
Greenhalf Caldari R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.08 21:20:00 - [262] What changes of game mechanics you want? The button " to kill RA member "? All EVE is able to kill POSes, we kill yours POSes. Only the coalition asks to change the game mechanics. Stop crying and lets fight! Do not trust, be not afraid, do not ask.
Altai Saker Omniscient Order Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.08.08 21:24:00 - [263] For those saying "siege the pos omg nubs"... you know that sieging a pos is impossible now that jumpdrives are in right?
SephiriotH REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.13 12:23:00 - [264] Edited by: SephiriotH on 13/08/2006 12:25:19 Edited by: SephiriotH on 13/08/2006 12:24:30 Coalition Gentelmens (and Ladies , if any) it's useless to blame the lag for all outcome . Your carriers did a good job boosting shield/armor for dreads and themselves , they were able to lock the ones under focused fire and give it a nice boost , which was impossible to penetrate with the dmg outpu of approx 50 battleships . If not carriers - your losses were going to be a terrific and currently record of EvE . So it was laggy , but not as much as any normal fleet battle (delay for activating modules for me was about 10-12 seconds, which is fairly acceptable with a local of 400 ppls shooting at each other, nvm , you will see it on videos in a 14 days ). As for catching ships in logoff safe spots - your pilots shooted us on undocking during the black screen . So you just receiving eye for an eye . Enjoy . I'm still wondering , what coalition had forgot in RA Space ? Should be some epic treasure or something, got to look for it myself :}}} Cu in space. Remember : with a good torpedo and bad word You can hurt much more than with bad word alone.
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.14 11:15:00 - [265] Seph rox. As usual. --------------------


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