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VoidRay Alabel
3.14Rates The Bastard Cartel
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:42:00 -
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This is probably a bad idea, people who dont speak english or any other supported language will pretty much quit. And the trolls will troll anyways in other channels so.... please don't do it. (Maybe try to mod these channels by asking some known non-troll players for every language ?
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lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
15
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:42:00 -
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Also, according to the in-works vide for oceanus, you are working on the new player experience. This is not it. This is removing parts of the new player experience. Please fix the oceanus page |
Marian Devers
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
50
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:56:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Previously we've supported a total of 39 language channels in game, however over the course of the last 12 months or so we have had a rise in the number of complaints regarding politically motivated trolling and inappropriate content being displayed in them.
Will you also shut down Fozzie's twitter due to "politically motivated trolling"? You know, since you're being so worried about trolling in official CCP communication channels. |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
17
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:58:00 -
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Marian Devers wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Previously we've supported a total of 39 language channels in game, however over the course of the last 12 months or so we have had a rise in the number of complaints regarding politically motivated trolling and inappropriate content being displayed in them. Will you also shut down Fozzie's twitter due to "politically motivated trolling"? You know, since you're being so worried about trolling in official CCP communication channels.
Fozzie being non-native english speaker, probably yes |
Zak Matrix
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:23:00 -
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So there's few/many political trolls on some language channels and the only option is to close all the channels? There's already solution ingame for those trolls, it's called 'blocking'. Or maybe put on similar report button like for isk spammers?
Please don't close the channels. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
12907
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:24:00 -
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This is very sad to see. I for one really enjoy the Swedish channel and I'm sure others feel the same way as I towards "their" language.
Feels a bit like you can't handle (or don't want to handle the complaints) the channels so make it easy and just remove them...? But hey, I'd be up for moderating the Swedish one - problem is that before you could actually find the language you wanted under the "Language" section of channels. Something that I now assume is just gone. So people still wouldn't find their way there without word-of-mouth.
I'd be happy to take it over anyway, unless it's already taken by some random pilot that left back in 2003...
/c
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
797
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:37:00 -
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If there isn't an American version you have to ask yourself 'how good was this really to begin with if the American's didn't make one'.
#murica Not today spaghetti. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:46:00 -
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Chribba wrote:This is very sad to see. I for one really enjoy the Swedish channel and I'm sure others feel the same way as I towards "their" language.
Feels a bit like you can't handle (or don't want to handle the complaints) the channels so make it easy and just remove them...? But hey, I'd be up for moderating the Swedish one - problem is that before you could actually find the language you wanted under the "Language" section of channels. Something that I now assume is just gone. So people still wouldn't find their way there without word-of-mouth.
I'd be happy to take it over anyway, unless it's already taken by some random pilot that left back in 2003...
But ultimately I think this is the wrong move to make.
/c
It would be less unfair to shut only the channels were trouble arises. If (insert nationality X) can't behave at their language channel, we Spanish speakers and the other 34 language speakers are not to blame. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
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Posted - 2014.09.24 20:24:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Chribba wrote:This is very sad to see. I for one really enjoy the Swedish channel and I'm sure others feel the same way as I towards "their" language.
Feels a bit like you can't handle (or don't want to handle the complaints) the channels so make it easy and just remove them...? But hey, I'd be up for moderating the Swedish one - problem is that before you could actually find the language you wanted under the "Language" section of channels. Something that I now assume is just gone. So people still wouldn't find their way there without word-of-mouth.
I'd be happy to take it over anyway, unless it's already taken by some random pilot that left back in 2003...
But ultimately I think this is the wrong move to make.
/c It would be less unfair to shut only the channels were trouble arises. If (insert nationality X) can't behave at their language channel, we Spanish speakers and the other 34 language speakers are not to blame.
Or, heaven forbid, just let people block them. Have had a guy at Finnish channel for years who is blocked by 90 of the channels uses. Randomly someone unblocks for a while, usually still having a monology with his alts (also blocked). Don't think anyone has ever seen him undock |
Akazukin Ataraxis
Dominion Enterprise Psychosomatic.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.24 20:36:00 -
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Just a terrible idea |
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Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
312
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Posted - 2014.09.24 20:37:00 -
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Horrible change. |
Elly May
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.09.24 20:56:00 -
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Don't do it CCP. |
Belia Baal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.24 21:00:00 -
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wow, another stupid decision by CCP |
Feldarath
Tarlake Inc.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.24 21:16:00 -
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Being a part of the Finnish channel community for almost 10 years i have seen it grow from a pure smack and wardec channel into a place for all Fins to hangout no matter what corporation or alliance they are part of. Yes we sometimes argue about some random s***, but that is just a part of our nature.
Removing this channel from us would force us to moderated channels and separate us as a community. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2341
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Posted - 2014.09.24 21:46:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post.
The Rules: 6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited.
Racism, gender stereotyping and hate speech are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
197
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Posted - 2014.09.24 21:50:00 -
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CCP wants to remove language channels because inappropriate discussion in them. Player language channels are proposed replacements for them. This change means that language channel system becomes hidden in EVE. I have few proposals to deal this with style and minimize damage:
1. Official CCP language channels become player operated language channels. CCP needs to find operator for each language channel. Language channel section in chat channel menu is moved under player channel section. This change means that visibility of language channels remain and change is as small as possible.
2. Player operated language channels would have chance to become visible in player channel section in chat channel menu.
3. There could be text like "language channel section has been removed because inappropriate discussion in them. Player operated language channels may exist that replace official language channels". This text would be in language channel menu. Menu itself remains to show that CCP official language channels existed in the past. New players also know to search for player operated language channels based on this text.
Mikhem
Link library to EVE music songs. |
Kazruw Drol
Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion
11
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Posted - 2014.09.24 21:50:00 -
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Don't do it.
Some in game channels are used for gathering intel (i.e. local), others are used for setting up and sharing fleet related things (invites, cap chains, fits etc.), but the only the language specific channels are used for actually chatting. Removing those channels for the reasons stated in the op makes about as much sense as amputating both of your legs just because your socks felt a bit uncomfortable. I may or may not be impersonating one of my alts or vice versa. |
Daniel Aryaliana
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.24 22:11:00 -
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The Swedish channel haven't got any of these issues.. This is such a bad idea. |
COMM4NDER
Legendary Umbrellas Negative Waves
140
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Posted - 2014.09.24 22:17:00 -
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Chribba wrote:This is very sad to see. I for one really enjoy the Swedish channel and I'm sure others feel the same way as I towards "their" language.
Feels a bit like you can't handle (or don't want to handle the complaints) the channels so make it easy and just remove them...? But hey, I'd be up for moderating the Swedish one - problem is that before you could actually find the language you wanted under the "Language" section of channels. Something that I now assume is just gone. So people still wouldn't find their way there without word-of-mouth.
I'd be happy to take it over anyway, unless it's already taken by some random pilot that left back in 2003...
But ultimately I think this is the wrong move to make.
/c
Agreed.
This is bad really bad for new players looking for someone to speak to in their native language being that help or just normal chat.
Add moderation or just leave the channels alone, leave them alone! EVE - Online Launcher [Linux] Installs, launches character prefixes (both SISI & Tranquility). Simplescreenrecorder shm inject |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2954
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Posted - 2014.09.24 22:24:00 -
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Daniel Aryaliana wrote:The Swedish channel haven't got any of these issues.. This is such a bad idea.
Looks like we're the baby they're throwing with the rotten apples i.e. some channel(s) cause(s) ISD tickets because of trolling, so let's get rid of all of them. What could go wrong with pissing veterans and letting down newbies about something as sensitive as their language?
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Scipio Primipilus
The Back Yard Twilight Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.24 22:29:00 -
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This sounds like a really bad idea. The swedish channel is a great place for both vets and new players to just hang out and chat, never seen anything in need of moderation.
It was one of the first channels I joined when I started playing, learned a lot about the game and met some great people. Unlike the help channel which was (is?) just full of trolls. Over the years Svenska has been a place where you can pop in after having been away from the game for a time, get updated and pointed in the right directions etc. On a boring op, there's always someone to chat with a bit, unrelated to what you are doing in EVE and so on.
This is a stupid idea, CCP and you know it. |
uhnboy ghost
retard hills
13
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Posted - 2014.09.24 22:56:00 -
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this is stupid... no wait THIS IS REALLY STUPID!!!!!!
u are shooting yourself in the foot by removing the biggest social/help/corp finding channels in eve, make it easyer to ban stupid ppl instead of destroying the game for the rest of us.
just think of how many noobs in those channels we keep playing doto we helping them understand the game and helps them find corps etc, whit out those channels many noobs will just leave eve for good,
"well they can go to the real help channel"... NO they cant!! for many ppl eve is a really hard game to learn even if u can ask ppl questions in your language. whit out the swedish channel I would not have played eve today!!
and for us older ppl those channels is a good way to be social whit ppl from our country whit out taking sides in sov wars and other stuff
STOP the trolls, stop killing eve and stop beeing so ***** stupid!!!
/uhnboy |
Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
78
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Posted - 2014.09.24 23:37:00 -
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This seems like a bad idea. Essentially, you're arguing that because language channels are listed in the client in a visible place, they need the kind of moderation that the forums get, and since you can't provide that (for reasons that make plenty of sense; I've no issue with this), you're going to do away with that visible listing. I would say: this is a place for a policy change. Those 39 channels serve a useful purpose, as lots of people have pointed out, and their visibility is part of that. So I think you'd be better to bite the bullet and admit that you can't moderate them and aren't going to. Put it in big red letters in a MOTD. And remind people that there's a block function. Penalizing everyone, on the other hand, just in order to punish the few seems less than fair. Your spirit is the true shield. |
JamesMoriarty Black
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2014.09.25 02:06:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed a rule breaking post. The Rules:6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited.
Racism, gender stereotyping and hate speech are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges.
CCP is being racist about other lenguages |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
888
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Posted - 2014.09.25 04:15:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:So players should make their own channels and moderate them themselves. Advertise the channel in the respective forums and get a big player run channel going? For example, someone stated 300-500 German players in one German chat channel, just band all of them together in another player made channel? Or am I missing something painfully obvious here "Official" channnels can be found in the channel list right from the start. Channels created by players are not. It's difficult to reach those players that are new and/or not on the forums or other external ways the community provides information. It's no longer possible to just click the speech bubble in a chat window to find a chat channel where a player's native/preferred language is used. Maylin Li wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:So players should make their own channels and moderate them themselves. Advertise the channel in the respective forums and get a big player run channel going? For example, someone stated 300-500 German players in one German chat channel, just band all of them together in another player made channel? Or am I missing something painfully obvious here Well the only problem is that new players have no idea where to find that channel, you need to know someone to send you there first. As it is now, with it being on an official list, someone who is new to the game can, for example, join the Spanish channel and chat with some Spanish people, without needing the channel name etc... Would it be possible to make the existing un-official language channels read-only, and create a list of linked player channels in the MOTD? Or prehaps keep the channels, but make it clear in the MOTD that these channels are not moderated by CCP and that CCP is not responsible for the content in the channels and that discretion is advised, close the channel if you're offended by some guy trolling with political **** etc. I agree completely with both of these, but you know CCP will do what they want in regards to this. By the looks of things it has already been decided. I would suggest that you grab you channel names now before this change happens. Lets say for example you guys speak German, call it "German Players Local" or something. Next step would be to make a thread about it in GD and in New Citizens and ask CCP to sticky it at the top of the page on both.
Unfortunately, this is pretty much the only thing you can do currently...
Naturally you would need to consolidate with other players and agree on one player run channel for that language. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Xeator
soldiers.fi
46
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Posted - 2014.09.25 05:32:00 -
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Chribba says its the wrong move, then its the wrong move.
Stop this madness! |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2956
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Posted - 2014.09.25 06:10:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:Darkblad wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:So players should make their own channels and moderate them themselves. Advertise the channel in the respective forums and get a big player run channel going? For example, someone stated 300-500 German players in one German chat channel, just band all of them together in another player made channel? Or am I missing something painfully obvious here "Official" channnels can be found in the channel list right from the start. Channels created by players are not. It's difficult to reach those players that are new and/or not on the forums or other external ways the community provides information. It's no longer possible to just click the speech bubble in a chat window to find a chat channel where a player's native/preferred language is used. Maylin Li wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:So players should make their own channels and moderate them themselves. Advertise the channel in the respective forums and get a big player run channel going? For example, someone stated 300-500 German players in one German chat channel, just band all of them together in another player made channel? Or am I missing something painfully obvious here Well the only problem is that new players have no idea where to find that channel, you need to know someone to send you there first. As it is now, with it being on an official list, someone who is new to the game can, for example, join the Spanish channel and chat with some Spanish people, without needing the channel name etc... Would it be possible to make the existing un-official language channels read-only, and create a list of linked player channels in the MOTD? Or prehaps keep the channels, but make it clear in the MOTD that these channels are not moderated by CCP and that CCP is not responsible for the content in the channels and that discretion is advised, close the channel if you're offended by some guy trolling with political **** etc. I agree completely with both of these, but you know CCP will do what they want in regards to this. By the looks of things it has already been decided. I would suggest that you grab you channel names now before this change happens. Lets say for example you guys speak German, call it "German Players Local" or something. Next step would be to make a thread about it in GD and in New Citizens and ask CCP to sticky it at the top of the page on both. Unfortunately, this is pretty much the only thing you can do currently... Naturally you would need to consolidate with other players and agree on one player run channel for that language.
Yes, because (insert power bloc) naturally will share their (insert language) channel with everybody else... right? The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2956
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Posted - 2014.09.25 06:17:00 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote:This seems like a bad idea. Essentially, you're arguing that because language channels are listed in the client in a visible place, they need the kind of moderation that the forums get, and since you can't provide that (for reasons that make plenty of sense; I've no issue with this), you're going to do away with that visible listing. I would say: this is a place for a policy change. Those 39 channels serve a useful purpose, as lots of people have pointed out, and their visibility is part of that. So I think you'd be better to bite the bullet and admit that you can't moderate them and aren't going to. Put it in big red letters in a MOTD. And remind people that there's a block function. Penalizing everyone, on the other hand, just in order to punish the few seems less than fair.
Yes, this look like the usual CCP 5-minutes-before-DT stupid move. Ask nobody, check nothing, just go straight forward with a minimal irrelevant change that is very convenient to CCP and nobody could ever get pissed off...
I concur with the poster above. CCP, take those channels seriously and re-think what you are going to inflict on your players, existing and potential, if you remove the only publicly available and neutral space to socialize and ask for help in their native languages.
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lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
17
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Posted - 2014.09.25 06:39:00 -
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now taking orders for posting packages on the new finnish
1 plex for 500 monthly posts 2 plex for 1200/month 3 plex for unlimited posting bandwidth |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5486
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Posted - 2014.09.25 07:04:00 -
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I'm surprised some intrepid role players have not yet created languages for the factions. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
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