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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
947
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Posted - 2014.09.27 07:01:00 -
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I can see closing down a lot of the empty channels that no one uses, but closing them all down is really a bad idea. But if players made their own language channels and advertised, the groups of players could moderate them and keep out a lot of the riff raff that could exist.
How about instead of closing them down, you set up player appointed moderators to keep the trouble out? you know give them ban hammer rights etc.
This is our game, let us help you where we can. If you have players to volunteer as isd then you should have players do the same for moderation in public language chat channels. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
947
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Posted - 2014.09.27 07:03:00 -
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Hell I bet most players who dont understand english will know this is going to happen. |
Horoth blod
Noir. Academy Of Sound Mind
0
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Posted - 2014.09.27 07:09:00 -
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No no no no bad idea, there is a lot of people in these channels and yes I might be a bit harsh but this is eve. We live to troll shot and make fun of each other. Guess we just have to make player run channels insted.
Bad move Ccp. |
anzelotte
well of abyss
2
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Posted - 2014.09.27 07:38:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote: however over the course of the last 12 months or so we have had a rise in the number of complaints regarding politically motivated trolling and inappropriate content being displayed in them.
why just do not accepting petitions for such matters? add to eula\rules\channel motd\etc that 'language channels provided "as is", and if you don't like something there is "block" mechanics'.
don't understand why you initially start accept petitions for such matters. it's not game related at all, it's social related.
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Simon Anaidni
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.27 07:51:00 -
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Very poor decision, politics and trolling in game as in RL are part of the attracting factors of EVE.
I fear we will lose many foreign players, and that will take away from the sandbox.
While you may dislike "fielding" complaints, MAN UP.
Many of these foreign players, have actual RL bloodshed occuring in their countries, this is one of their "releases" , and while some of them may hate me because I'm American, I for one desire not to quiet them in any way shape or form.
We are all part of the sandbox, our RL, fuels eve, Pays CCP, allows you to have a job you love, allows someone in a very poor situation, in a war torn part of the world, in a politically oppressive arena, to have a bit of relef, and a place to sound off amongst themselves, and for them to sound off to me and tell me how stupid, arrogant, and shamefull I am.
And damit I deserve that, and they have the right to tell it to me any damn way they feel like it. |
Elly May
Lock'n'Point
1
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Posted - 2014.09.27 07:56:00 -
[156] - Quote
8 pages and still no response? Embarrassing. |
Kazruw Drol
Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion
16
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Posted - 2014.09.27 08:01:00 -
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Paul AtreidesMuad wrote:Hello i already filled a ticket on this matter, overall ukrainian community supports this idea but only cause of huge number of trolls from russian channel better known as sruchat, i cant speak for other channels its probably terrible news for tham, but we think the way out exists and its quite simple, as ccp said player owned channels(we made ours after Russian invasion started) and atm its more active then official ukranian channel and everyone is happy with moderation no political discussion and just enjoying spaceship pewpew, thing is new players and how they gonna find those channels hence i propose ccp to add some player owned chats to a new made tab called unofficial languages or how you preffer to call it, so a new person can check a channel and see for example UA channel and how many people it has(we are quite active atm over 60 active members ) im really looking forward to have this option in new expansion. This pretty much confirms the speculation that the channels are getting removed due to the situation between Russia and Ukraine and the related trolling. CCP should still think twice before proceeding with this terrible idea. Letting the Russians keep an official channel while the Ukrainians lose theirs isn't exactly the best display of diplomacy I've ever seen... I may or may not be impersonating one of my alts or vice versa. |
Samsara Toldya
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2014.09.27 08:03:00 -
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Sad thing:
While it seems to be a final decision mad by CCP they didn't announce it in the "Information" forum. They published it inside the "general discussion" forum as if they wanted us du discuss it.
That's what happen if you are not a native english speaker forced to express yourself in another language. Even a community manager isn't immune to such failure.
Thanks to CCP Falcon for showing us the importance of native language channels by messing up with english language himself.
Appreciated! |
Amely Miles
Exiled Tech Space Monkey Protectorate
29
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Posted - 2014.09.27 08:05:00 -
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booo ccp boo ...imagine having to dig thru the rookie chat to help people and going ...russian russian french albanian ...wtf language is that? |
Rain6637
Team Evil
20043
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Posted - 2014.09.27 08:12:00 -
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I lurk Korean channel religiously with the whole gang. like ISD mentioned, there is a language barrier that I get help with google voice, to read their Hangul (in Korean), and respond in culturally sensitive and respectful voice that conveys respect and empathy (being a native speaker-but-not-reader-or-writer of Korean myself.)
my presence isn't always welcomed with open arms, due to the difference in cumputing environments and other cultural sensitivities. I don't know, perhaps the extravagance at it all. they find it repulsive and gaudy and maybe feel some resentment. I can't imagine it was reported? my rig setup in my bio, and in particular my RP geisha character Feanira who from time to time illicits a negative response from ethnic Koreans. ...could this be a problem?
but for the most part I don't think it's that bad an issue. As far as I've seen K-comms is full of hip and abbreviated lingo , respectful-form predicates (albeit shortened), and I never noticed any cause for intervention beyond the RP racism in response to my very valued teammate in Team Evil who is obviously fanatic japanese but happens to speak korean as well as I do.
Does it really have to go?
where will these localization refugees go for their advice, like the english-speaking players who can ask for mission raven fits in any number of channels? If only google had slightly more functionality in translating korean into english and back again.
you can't just let them loose in New Eden they're good as dead President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
151
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Posted - 2014.09.27 08:33:00 -
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This is a bad idea! These channels are not help channels but meeting places. To fix the problem you have just add a message of the day saying just that.
These meeting places keeps people in the game. If it wasn't for the dutch language channel i would have had lots more trouble meeting people and getting to find the good people i play with now. This removal is a bad idea! |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4566
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Posted - 2014.09.27 08:56:00 -
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lolcorpholder alt wrote:CCP, why give use time to disucss this if you dont follow the discussion?
Simple.
CCP has 2 ways of thinking.
Announce a change, if:
A. Response is positive. Join in and be very proud about that awesome feature you added.
B. Response is negative. Just ignore their customers and stick all our heads into the Icelandic ground and hope they eventually forget what we did. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Darkblad
Hilfe is like free Entertainment
507
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Posted - 2014.09.27 09:02:00 -
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It appears like there's no way to respond to this thread in London. EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |
zabbas
Nalle Luppakorva
0
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Posted - 2014.09.27 09:02:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Paul AtreidesMuad wrote:Hello i already filled a ticket on this matter, overall ukrainian community supports this idea but only cause of huge number of trolls from russian channel better known as sruchat, i cant speak for other channels its probably terrible news for tham, but we think the way out exists and its quite simple, as ccp said player owned channels(we made ours after Russian invasion started) and atm its more active then official ukranian channel and everyone is happy with moderation no political discussion and just enjoying spaceship pewpew, thing is new players and how they gonna find those channels hence i propose ccp to add some player owned chats to a new made tab called unofficial languages or how you preffer to call it, so a new person can check a channel and see for example UA channel and how many people it has(we are quite active atm over 60 active members ) im really looking forward to have this option in new expansion. Aaand, the culprits I suspected eventually surfaced. Ukrainian and Russian troll each other and so 33 other channels are shut down so CCP spare themselves some trouble. What a briliant way to go, CCP! I think this post sums up the situation perfectly.
It is not like removing language channels will solve the problem. Only thing we can read between the lines is "we(CCP) don't care about the problem". It is not a solution for the problem, you just swipe it under a carpet. Of course it will make more difficult for new players with poor English/French/German/Russian/Japanese to seek for help, question is how CCP is planing to address this problem. |
Gudius II N-Meistriii
Reikoku Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2014.09.27 09:07:00 -
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So I could write a really long story about how the cozy dutch channel totally enhanced my gameplay experience starting out and felt way more familiar than the overpopulated spammy rookie channel. And how I had many good chats there and hardly ever is abuse going on but that won't change a thing so....
Is there any chance some of the regulars (people who have been in the channel for years, not fighting, helping noobs etc (and I don't even have to be one of them we can vote or suggest peope there maybe?)) can inherit the channel with the proper name "Nederlands" as soon as you guys reset it and give us/them the moderator priviliges so we can keep it alive as volunteers. And MAYBE EVEN keep it supereasy to find for the noobies.
In general we don't even really need mods in the dutch channel except for the rare commercial spammer, but without any I'm guessing it won't work either? |
Jezza McWaffle
Pandora Sphere Disavowed.
149
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Posted - 2014.09.27 09:09:00 -
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I like how the title says 'Consolidation' but what CCP really means is a butt **** of everyone who does not speak an 'Official' language. C6 Wormhole blog http://holelotofwaffle.wordpress.com/ |
Angeleh
Silverflames
29
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Posted - 2014.09.27 09:33:00 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote:(There is a "Player Channels" category, but I've no idea how to get a channel listed there.) When you join a player channel someone else have made, it gets listed in there so you can find it again.
There is a separate "My Channels" for channels you have created. But only visible if you actually own a channel.
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OK, what I really came to say was.
I don't hang out in other language channels much, and personally I think localization of software is a terrible idea and only cause bugs and other issues. (no English is not my first language, and I actually have a very hard time learning other languages).
I am still opposed to the removal of the language channels though. Not everyone like to chat in English, or understand all English terms. Where are people going to go to have a random chat in Eve in non-English? Into 100 different channels where they only got themselves to talk to because their small community is split up? Where is someone who didn't understand an English term going to go to get a translation that understand the context of Eve? Where are people going to find each other to form corps of people with same language background? I think those corp are bad idea myself, but they are still popular in MMOs and would think CCP would like Eve to be considered a possible game to play by people who only join own-language guilds.
I know I don't like people spamming 50 different languages in the channels I am in, I find it very confusing, so I like when it is strictly forbidden. This change is just going to pollute the English channels. Not only hurting the people who were in the language specific channels, but everyone else too.
A little numbers, currently 7% (1648 (in game channel list + calculator) of the 24568 (launcher)) people online are in the language channels. |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2443
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Posted - 2014.09.27 09:37:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Good afternoon capsuleers Some of you who've been on Singularity may have noticed that the officially hosted language have vanished from the channel listing in the client. Previously we've supported a total of 39 language channels in game, however over the course of the last 12 months or so we have had a rise in the number of complaints regarding politically motivated trolling and inappropriate content being displayed in them. With most of these languages having no official support from CCP, this means that investigating and answering tickets of this nature from these channels is sometimes not possible due to a significant language barrier. This is contrary to our policy of moderating and enforcing our terms of service (in particular the sections on player conduct) in persistent CCP hosted channels within the EVE client. As such, with Oceanus we'll be removing the officially hosted language based channels from the EVE Online client, and only the help channels for our officially supported languages will remain. We'd like to let you all know in advance, and invite you to create your own player run language channels after the Oceanus release is deployed in order to continue discussions in your native languages if you wish to do so. - F <3
Or i dunno , you could have a standard MOTD in every channel that they are not moderated/supported .
People are free to open/close them when they feel like it.I hardly ever go to the dutch language channel because i find it too much epeening and kiddietalk , however i find it a verry bad idea to remove it completely because of the reasons you stated.These channels are a huge asset to new players in a complex game as they can ask questions and get answers in their own language wich should uncomplicate it a lot more.I'd sooner close the rookie help channel then the language channels if i had to choose from wich new players have the biggest advantage in getting to know the ropes in eve.
What's next , removing general dicsussion forum because it needs way more moderation then the other parts of the forum ?
But on the other side why should i care , i don't go to these language channels and hardly play the game any more ... /shrug
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Johnny Volka
Romantic Warriors
6
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Posted - 2014.09.27 10:24:00 -
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Paul AtreidesMuad wrote:Hello i already filled a ticket on this matter, overall ukrainian community supports this idea but only cause of huge number of trolls from russian channel better known as sruchat, i cant speak for other channels its probably terrible news for tham, but we think the way out exists and its quite simple, as ccp said player owned channels(we made ours after Russian invasion started) and atm its more active then official ukranian channel and everyone is happy with moderation no political discussion and just enjoying spaceship pewpew, thing is new players and how they gonna find those channels hence i propose ccp to add some player owned chats to a new made tab called unofficial languages or how you preffer to call it, so a new person can check a channel and see for example UA channel and how many people it has(we are quite active atm over 60 active members ) im really looking forward to have this option in new expansion.
Or add a reference to the channel "-ú-¦-Ç-¦-ù-+-¦[UA]" in the header channel "help" |
Abrams13 Zohn
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.09.27 10:38:00 -
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Nice we are homeless ! RIP CCP/EvE |
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Darkblad
Hilfe is like free Entertainment
507
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Posted - 2014.09.27 10:46:00 -
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Did any motd of the 39 channels updated to notify existing and new visitors of them about this change? What's the probability of chat links to unofficial chat channels in the remaining (five plus E-UNI) help channels? Who will provide and maintain a list of channels created by players to provide an alternative to the communities that exist in the channels about to vanish? How will it be possible that such channels are not used by their owners/moderators to exclude individual members not because they troll/spam/harass but just because the mods don't like someones face(/origin/corp or alliance membership) EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |
Ray Ayanammi
Quantum Singularity Technologies Ltd.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.27 10:47:00 -
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we are not Scandinavians like you CCCP. we are hotheaded Europeans who say 1 or 2 words more than usuall. If you having problems with Tickets make something about it, assign more GMs to those channels hire more people to deal with it. dont just close the damn channels cause its inconvenient for you. typical Northern thinking, never fails to amaze me. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2983
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Posted - 2014.09.27 11:32:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:Did any motd of the 39 channels updated to notify existing and new visitors of them about this change? What's the probability of chat links to unofficial chat channels in the remaining (five plus E-UNI) help channels? Who will provide and maintain a list of channels created by players to provide an alternative to the communities that exist in the channels about to vanish? How will it be possible that such channels are not used by their owners/moderators to exclude individual members not because they troll/spam/harass but just because the mods don't like someones face(/origin/corp or alliance membership)
Non-supported channels have no MOTD, which means that their dissapearence will not get any other forewarning than the one carried by the few channel users who also are GD users. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Gilliet
NorCorp Shipyards The Predictables
3
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Posted - 2014.09.27 11:47:00 -
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Closing the specific chat channel will have a pretty big negative impact on new players. When I for something over 4 years ago started playing eve was the help of the Norwegian chat enormous help.
As well as the fact that most people I play with, I met the first time in just my mother tongue chat channel. Yes CCP it is and it was a lot of trolling and the fairly intense language then as now. But dear CCP, Eve is a game that goes well with adult players. we endure, we have and will use a language not suitable for children.
As far as I know there is no coercion and be in the channel and it is completely optional and indeed join, read and use the specific chats.
Those who like and trolls will not stop trolling the chat channel playing disperse, they will just trolls more elsewhere.
Pleas lets us haw those chats:) |
Noton Alcyone
The Shadow Phoenix Fleet supercell.
1
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Posted - 2014.09.27 12:43:00 -
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such a strange
as first i play eve
this is really bad decision
what happen to all noob who don't know to talk english
language channel is the most important to noobs and if you remove those
all the noobs from non english country will gone away
and you can see the strange word at 'HELP' Channel |
Funzinnu BT
Pikachu's Iron Tail
79
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Posted - 2014.09.27 12:44:00 -
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Very bad idea
Please think of the fact that in non-English speaking country to enjoy EVE. |
Prt Scr
569th Freelancers
89
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Posted - 2014.09.27 13:25:00 -
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Does this mean we all have to learn Icelandic? |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
217
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Posted - 2014.09.27 13:30:00 -
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Simon Anaidni wrote: Many of these foreign players, have actual RL bloodshed occuring in their countries, this is one of their "releases" ...
This is a bloody game, I don't care about what is happening in their countries, people play to get AWAY from reality...
Noton Alcyone wrote:what happen to all noob who don't know to talk english Learn it or GTFO...
Quote:if you remove those all the noobs from non english country will gone away Oh stop teasing me, I can just hardly wait... |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2444
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Posted - 2014.09.27 13:31:00 -
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And people say us bittervets don't think about the newbro's .... guess we learned that from CCP itself eh.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
217
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Posted - 2014.09.27 13:41:00 -
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Angeleh wrote:OK, what I really came to say was.
I don't hang out in other language channels much, and personally I think localization of software is a terrible idea and only cause bugs and other issues. (no English is not my first language, and I actually have a very hard time learning other languages).
I am still opposed to the removal of the language channels though. Not everyone like to chat in English, or understand all English terms. Where are people going to go to have a random chat in Eve in non-English? Into 100 different channels where they only got themselves to talk to because their small community is split up? Where is someone who didn't understand an English term going to go to get a translation that understand the context of Eve? Where are people going to find each other to form corps of people with same language background? I think those corp are bad idea myself, but they are still popular in MMOs and would think CCP would like Eve to be considered a possible game to play by people who only join own-language guilds.
I know I don't like people spamming 50 different languages in the channels I am in, I find it very confusing, so I like when it is strictly forbidden. This change is just going to pollute the English channels. Not only hurting the people who were in the language specific channels, but everyone else too.
A little numbers, currently 7% (1648 (in game channel list + calculator) of the 24568 (launcher)) people online are in the language channels. Bye, have fun playing Checkers or Tiddly Winks...
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