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Finde learth
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2014.09.26 01:21:00 -
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Why can't i find this article in EVE General Discussion list ? |
Commander Nina Hanomaa
Chapter Six
0
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Posted - 2014.09.26 05:15:00 -
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CCP Rise & NPE should have one hell of a plan to repair the damage this change will do. I know for a fact that my corporation would be 2 members if we didn't have a public channel for my native language group. Blocking and/or reporting spammers has worked well for smaller chat channels. Instead of one week warning to shut down most of the channels, how about getting more ISDs to moderate the channels that do have problems?
Meanwhile, Corporation Ads don't have enough options:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4284351 |
Naburi NasNaburi
A Little Peculiar
borealis
263
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Posted - 2014.09.26 05:17:00 -
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I was talking to the husband about CCPs behavior and attitude as of lately. And we both came to the conclusion that since they started working with SOE they adapted their business model of: You're the customer but have no right to demand anything - all you have to do is pay.
We have been playing SOE games off and on since 1999 and what springs to mind is the typical behavior of: Lets stay silent and not say a word, things will calm down and eventually be forgotten.
This was never your style CCP.. dont start with it now.
You see all these negative responses? ANSWER THEM!
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Meja Ashtan
Chapter Six
9
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Posted - 2014.09.26 05:36:00 -
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So, does this mean that after you quit our language channel, the first one to re-create it again with same name can pretty much dictate who is allowed to talk on these "new" language channels and on what cost?
I don't understand why you would do this to your community. Yeah, I can see that CCP don't want to babysit every chat channel, but this just feels like a d*ck move and makes things for new players very rough. Think about the folks who don't speak native english - you are literally telling them to figure out stuff on their own. And I assume I don't even have to mention what impact this has on recruiting new corp members. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2969
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Posted - 2014.09.26 05:51:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:So you have trolls in a channel.
Let's close the channel and the problem is fixed.
Sorry, but wrong. Troll is still there and will just kmove to the next channel.
The Dutch channel was one of the first I joined amd still occasionally visit. It was of GREAT help when I just started the game.
Sorry CCP, but -10 on the idea. Just with this you made your next patch utterly stupid and ********. Really hope that instead of masking the problem with a dumb move you will solve it and leave la guage channels as they are.
Funny thing...CCP announces this on a forum, 6 pages of nothing but negative replies but no response from CCP on it.
I'm getting an Incarna Deja-vu. And we all remember how that turned out for CCP. But clearly they forgot that not listening to your customer that pays you is something you should do.
I rather feel a jukebox deja-vu. The good thing of messing with people who don't speak your language is that they naturally can't express themselves if they oppose your decission. Everyone making noise here it's practically multilingual, either we wouldn't be able to express ourselves in English.
Language channels are the only thing ressembling a general discussion chat in EVE. They work because they are relatively small compared to the general population of the server (GD with 30,000 participants would be hell), and they work well as they provide a meeting point for factions. Also are useful as cross-section of population: everybody uses them from miners to wormholers to nullsec blocs to lost noobs looking for help or a corp in their language.
A player channel won't do that. A player channel takes some minimal time and effort and thus asks to serve the player(s) who set it up. Why should a powerbloc allow other powerblocs to access newbies (potential recruits) on THEIR language specific channel?
And I just feel it's terribly unfair to kill all channels just because of some unspecified troublemakers. I think that every channel endures some trolls, and everybody using them just blocks them. Why should everybody be punished because some assholes just can't leave alone or block their compatriots?
We in Spanish did nothing, why are we deprived of our channel? (let's ignore for a minute how there is more people who speak Spanish than people who speak German, French, Russian and Japanese combined...)
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Finde learth
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2014.09.26 06:33:00 -
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7 pages, CCP Keep being quiet. Where are CSMs? |
Eternal Corrosion
Yuhu al Medio - Overlodea Primo
30
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Posted - 2014.09.26 11:08:00 -
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As some people have stated above, the problem will still be there for us, the customers, but the solution wont still be available.
If you want to not be responsible about what some trolls say, just put a message in the MOTD saying it and advising how to "be safe".
What is obvious is that all those minorities (in which i include myself) will be greatly damaged because we wont be able to help their new "language-bros" for the first time as effective as before. What is more, some will lose that chat place where they used to communicate with people of their own country that werent on their circles, that place where a lot of people met the first time.
Removing the language chats without adding anything you will lose a lot more that what you think you can gain....
-1 CCP
I will always love LowSec |
Nate Hill
The Scope
Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2014.09.26 13:23:00 -
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It's funny.
Is it concluded that impossibility of resolving all tickets about inappropriate contents in unsupported languages in players hosted channels is acceptable by CCP? And this does comply to your so-called policy.
To be honest unwillingness to hire new employees who have no language barrier is OK.
I can barely accept this reason or lie due to the condition of CCP. And wish oneday World of Darkness will be revived. |
Rod Sackettovic
Final Cut Corporation
Space Dust Union
0
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Posted - 2014.09.26 14:39:00 -
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The English version translated by Google:
A little double-edged sword is not it?
What player do not speak a foreign language, they will not have to turn to lapse if ordered by language ...
He who can not foreign language ;-) |
Finde learth
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2014.09.26 15:40:00 -
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CCP won't change their mind. It's done. |
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Xeator
soldiers.fi
46
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Posted - 2014.09.26 15:42:00 -
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Gonna keep posting and echoing what others say. 7 pages and no blue replies. What are the CSM guys doing?
Lets look at some of the things that have been happening lately like bans of high profile players, Somer etc. CSM jumping all over the place blues posting constantly.
Now we get this one stupid ass change and nobody is willing to man up and face the people who are asking for answers and opposing this horrible change? This is some poor community management right here fellas. |
Naburi NasNaburi
A Little Peculiar
borealis
264
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Posted - 2014.09.26 16:05:00 -
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The Jita Monument needs some "restauration" dont you guys think?  |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
24
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Posted - 2014.09.26 16:31:00 -
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CCP, why give use time to disucss this if you dont follow the discussion? |
Mihnea Tepes
Astral Silence
33
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Posted - 2014.09.26 16:52:00 -
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lolcorpholder alt wrote:CCP, why give use time to disucss this if you dont follow the discussion?
cause they dont like our reaction here?  |
Bori Kiha
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.09.26 18:17:00 -
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At first I thought this was a joke when it was mentioned in the german channel. Like "Hey, let's just tell everyone that this channel gets closed, sit back and watch the rage". But It's true. It's still a joke. A very bad one, though.
CCP will loose a lot of customers because of this. Actual and future ones. I can't understand that they don't see that. The issues with those political motivated harassments can't be so overwhelming that the only option is to kill half of the community.
Don't do this, CCP. It is a really bad idea. |
Ezk1
lmmortality Associates
0
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:03:00 -
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No doubt, this is WORST idea CCP have brought up during all my years in EVE. I hope that CCP has come to its senses by patch day. Otherwise this whole move is same as saying "F*CK YOU!" to community and setting communitys house in fire, just after spending years telling how CCP wants to make community part of EVE.
This is stupid move, i cant think of what CCP was smoking when they thinked this. |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
24
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:04:00 -
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Seems like CCP just HAS to force an unsub wave after each summer |
Mihnea Tepes
Astral Silence
33
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:05:00 -
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this will have an impact on new players, cause the first thing they do is joining their own language channel to have a chance to find out what is it about in their native language or even to ask advises
taking them this option away is just the bad idea |
Kia Lafemme2
The Death Skulls 1
Defenders Of EVE Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:12:00 -
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Bad decision
Why not just keep the chats that already exists,
and then get some volunteer moderators to help manage them.
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Guillejejeje XDD
Yuhu al Medio - Overlodea Primo
0
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:01:00 -
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Its a shame you are closing the channel of the second most used language in the world this change will only generate more problems and less subscriptions.
-1 CCP |
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Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
196
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:48:00 -
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lolcorpholder alt wrote:CCP, why give use time to disucss this if you dont follow the discussion?
That one's sadly easy to answer; holding this thread open allows the easy closing of all the other threads that may have popped up on the subject (by saying "we already have a thread on this subject, closing this one") while giving a confined and controlled space for upset players to vent.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
"Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied."
EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
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Elly May
Lock'n'Point
0
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:51:00 -
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booo CCP |
Triturus Alpestris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.09.27 00:56:00 -
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It is the scum of the EvE-O in these channels. GJ CCP |
Paul AtreidesMuad
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
1
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Posted - 2014.09.27 01:35:00 -
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Hello i already filled a ticket on this matter, overall ukrainian community supports this idea but only cause of huge number of trolls from russian channel better known as sruchat, i cant speak for other channels its probably terrible news for tham, but we think the way out exists and its quite simple, as ccp said player owned channels(we made ours after Russian invasion started) and atm its more active then official ukranian channel and everyone is happy with moderation no political discussion and just enjoying spaceship pewpew, thing is new players and how they gonna find those channels hence i propose ccp to add some player owned chats to a new made tab called unofficial languages or how you preffer to call it, so a new person can check a channel and see for example UA channel and how many people it has(we are quite active atm over 60 active members ) im really looking forward to have this option in new expansion. |
Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
81
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Posted - 2014.09.27 01:54:00 -
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You can make your own channel without having CCP close down all the others. How about that?
Your spirit is the true shield. |
Miles Hadah
Tillistrian Enterprises
Northern Associates.
4
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Posted - 2014.09.27 02:28:00 -
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After this patch when a newbie comes looking for help in any language that's not english I will tell him to join the Help channel and ask there in that language that's not english. Hope that helps, CCP.  |
Finde learth
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2014.09.27 02:29:00 -
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Triturus Alpestris wrote:It is the scum of the EvE-O in these channels. GJ CCP
scum???? |
Naburi NasNaburi
A Little Peculiar
borealis
265
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Posted - 2014.09.27 06:11:00 -
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Finde learth wrote:Triturus Alpestris wrote:It is the scum of the EvE-O in these channels. GJ CCP scum????
Was I (and a few thousand other players) just insulted? |
Naburi NasNaburi
A Little Peculiar
borealis
265
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Posted - 2014.09.27 06:20:00 -
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Live from the Eve Online FB group:
As CCP decided to shut down ALL 39 language channels coming Oceanus (30.September): This will be a HUGE loss for the EVE community as new players (specially those who dont speak English) will now be lost in the Rookie Channel.. with no help, no backup, no mentors...
Older players who found fleets, new corps .. alliances - will now be left with player owned channels. Which channel will be the best one ? Channel owners will ban and mute people left and right - just because they can.
If you want to help CCP to reconsider this move, please move your ship to Jita .. the Monument needs some serious *coughs* remodeling. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2976
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Posted - 2014.09.27 06:41:00 -
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Paul AtreidesMuad wrote:Hello i already filled a ticket on this matter, overall ukrainian community supports this idea but only cause of huge number of trolls from russian channel better known as sruchat, i cant speak for other channels its probably terrible news for tham, but we think the way out exists and its quite simple, as ccp said player owned channels(we made ours after Russian invasion started) and atm its more active then official ukranian channel and everyone is happy with moderation no political discussion and just enjoying spaceship pewpew, thing is new players and how they gonna find those channels hence i propose ccp to add some player owned chats to a new made tab called unofficial languages or how you preffer to call it, so a new person can check a channel and see for example UA channel and how many people it has(we are quite active atm over 60 active members ) im really looking forward to have this option in new expansion.
Aaand, the culprits I suspected eventually surfaced. Ukrainian and Russian troll each other and so 33 other channels are shut down so CCP spare themselves some trouble. What a briliant way to go, CCP! 
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