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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.09.25 07:45:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I'm surprised some intrepid role players have not yet created languages for the factions.
Well, as far as TGFB is concerned, for RP purposes Amarran speak Spanish, Khanid speak Indonesian and Gallentean speak French... 
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lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
18
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Posted - 2014.09.25 07:49:00 -
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According to ccp trailers nowadays, its all perfect english. Go figure, during dominion trailer we at least still had russian accents |
Samsara Toldya
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2014.09.25 07:58:00 -
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I still fail to see how this will reduce the amount of complaints. You don't believe that there won't be foreign language in the remaining chats, do you?
A chat is a group of players.
Someone who is creating a player run channel is organizing a group.
Players who idle or participate in this chat are member of this group.
I wonder if you can receive a permaban for breaking the ToS if you create a channel (as supposed) and some players start (ab)using it to spread anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.
There is a single question I'd like to see an answer to:
Am I forced by CCP to moderate my player run channels - if yes - what consequenced do I have to suffer if ToS breaking will happen inside the channel?
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lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
18
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Posted - 2014.09.25 08:00:00 -
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Samsara Toldya wrote:I still fail to see how this will reduce the amount of complaints. You don't believe that there won't be foreign language in the remaining chats, do you? A chat is a group of players. Someone who is creating a player run channel is organizing a group. Players who idle or participate in this chat are member of this group. I wonder if you can receive a permaban for breaking the ToS if you create a channel (as supposed) and some players start (ab)using it to spread anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. There is a single question I'd like to see an answer to: Am I forced by CCP to moderate my player run channels - if yes - what consequenced do I have to suffer if ToS breaking will happen inside the channel?
TBH, any kind of ccp response would be nice about now. We DID give them a warning time of 24 hours, after all |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
18
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Posted - 2014.09.25 08:11:00 -
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You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game
From TOS, rule 16
This CCP decision interferes with the users of language channels, most of which have not been "making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game". Is CCP acting in accordance of their own TOS? |
Rainbow Child
The North Capsuleers
The North is Coming
0
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Posted - 2014.09.25 09:36:00 -
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Hi,
I have never wrote here, but current issue just a little pissed me. I know that CCP is trying to convince more new players to not leave game and many of them cries about trolls and scum on such channels. But those languages channels are a hyde parks that we really need not moderated and open for everyone. With all the bad things are happening there - it is just fun what no other MMO game provided.
For me as a troll :) it is end of one of maybe many parts of the game that keep me here. That I can go to a channel, open a discussion about something without care about channel owner or operators.
Im sure that such action will just hit smaller communities.
Fly safe o7 |
Isalone
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
52
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:26:00 -
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Hoping for some additional CCP input, I'd like to ask if there's any chance this might get delayed and actually discussed?
It's a very bad idea, reasons why have been already posted in this thread.
EDIT: as a long time member of the Polish channel, I don't see it having the problem mentioned in the first post. |
lmmortalist
lmmortality Associates
5
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:28:00 -
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Just popping in to let you guys know I've been thinking more about this idea of removing the language chat channels. After careful consideration I've come to the conclusion of this being horribad bullshit and an awful move by CCP. |
Naburi NasNaburi
A Little Peculiar
borealis
261
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:39:00 -
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Funny how CCP never ever asked his players what they think about this *issue*
Next please remove local from all tradehubs, lowsecs and 00 - as the quality of text there is WAY lower than any language chat has ever been. |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
19
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:57:00 -
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Naburi NasNaburi wrote:Funny how CCP never ever asked his players what they think about this *issue*
Next please remove local from all tradehubs, lowsecs and 00 - as the quality of text there is WAY lower than any language chat has ever been.
Also please move all Alliance tournament discussion to the provided channel and remove it from the listing. Do the same for all the trade channels. Not to forget the life events channel. Probably missed couple, fill in as necessary |
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Cyno Fit
Dark Neutron Star
Metatron Inc. Alliance
3
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:35:00 -
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Why not take a ie month long period and see how much users frequent certain language channel. If the number is like below 50(?) it will be shutdown. (For example in the picture Falcon posted "English" channel has only 4 users......!)
Then appoint long term players/volunteers to moderate that channel. If it's player created language channel it will go straight to hell. Players might be banning each other out of nothing etc. But when someone is working on the mandate of CCP (moderator) he has to go above the personal tastes or he will answer to his superiors (CCP). |
Mihnea Tepes
Astral Silence
33
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Posted - 2014.09.25 12:38:00 -
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And I thought that ccp is supporting trolling in game, obviously i was wrong.
Anyway, I am also against this decision.
PS: From what I am reading here it is like ccp and their idea against players in game. The same reaction I saw in our own language channel. Well done ccp, make us more pissed off. |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
20
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Posted - 2014.09.25 13:21:00 -
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As a wise man in CCP once said, now we need to not look at what they say (because they haven't actually said anyhing atter the announcement, even though they have had PLENTY of time), but what they do. You have a playerbase looking at your actions in here, CCP
do the right thing |
Darkblad
Hilfe is like free Entertainment
504
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Posted - 2014.09.25 13:27:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:With most of these languages having no official support from CCP, this means that investigating and answering tickets of this nature from these channels is sometimes not possible due to a significant language barrier. This is contrary to our policy of moderating and enforcing our terms of service (in particular the sections on player conduct) in persistent CCP hosted channels within the EVE client. I still fail to see how this would get any better when the language channels are gone. People still can break this rule
TOS wrote:You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.) in their native language in any other channel. It's just none that's provided by the system. CCP will still have to check the logs of those that players create - and there's already: German 2.0 (German), Deutsch (German), German (Deutsch), AT/CH/DE (German).
Less official channels to moderate (like as if that happened before in those that I'm a member of), more player created channels, where content can arise that members find worthy to file a support ticket.
I'd love to welcome official moderation in the official Help channels from tuesday on, though. I just wonder if that will happen at all.
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Johnny Punisher
Love Squad
Pasta Syndicate
8
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Posted - 2014.09.25 13:37:00 -
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I wrote a longer message where I explained why this is so bad idea, but used ingame browser to try to post it so of course it got deleted. So long story short:
This is bad idea ccp! |
Beetlesquawk Darkscream
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.25 13:46:00 -
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Good riddence |
Catherine Kestrel
Everyone vs Everything
THE R0NIN
5
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Posted - 2014.09.25 15:05:00 -
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Just recruit more staff and from different countries so you can cover each of that language. Oh sorry you dont have money already... you didnt even finish World of Darkness.
You are losing more and more players. Kazzak realm in WoW have more players then EVE in overall. :D And I didnt mention new Arche Age. |
Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
312
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:00:00 -
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I already said this is a horrible change earlier in the thread.
But I'm gonna say it again. |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples
League of Infamy
888
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:08:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Yes, because (insert power bloc) naturally will share their (insert language) channel with everybody else... right? Who the hell said anything about Powerblocks? Since when did this become a grr goons thread or grr nullblocks have too much projected power.
If there are (using the Germans as an example here) already 300-500 people in the German chat channel that you all use, consolidate with them and make a new channel. It's not hard to work together for something like this. If you can't come to an agreement on who wants to run the damn channel that's for the common good of the people who speak that language, then simply go without...
It's not a good move by CCP at all, I don't agree with it. But unfortunately you guys are just going to have to put aside your egos and work together to create a channel.
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
20
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Posted - 2014.09.25 18:11:00 -
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CCP, how about an answer to all the questions in this thread? |
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Sr Limaco
Surgical Harassment Works LTD.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:04:00 -
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Greetings capsuleers;
This is my first post and probably the last.
I have been an eve player for far more than seven years, and i have the good luck of speak in four languajes, English, Italian, Spanish and Basque, the last one my native languaje, that is not even represented in any channel in game. However, when i started at eve, as many other new players. I found in the Spanish channel, my second language, the most usefull tool to begining to enjoy, to experience and to socialize in this great game.
Others before and better than me, have listed why this hasty decision is such an stubborn idea, in short; It will be an immense lack for new players "out of the big four" to experience the game, and it won-¦t correct anyway the problems you say you are having with that channels.
But for me, personally, they forgot the main reason, the freedom of speech.
According to the eula all we know where the limits are to that freedom, and all we know which is the price of going across that limits in a public forum like that channels. However i will ever prefer and defend a public forum in which that freedom could be abused than a private forum, that will be the only alternative for those many players. Because we all know which is the difference between them.
In one i can say what I want even if it has a price, and in other I can say only what they me let to say.
And this is no good, amigo.
Not in real life, not even in a videogame. I won-¦t swallow whith this.
"Hizkuntza bat ez da galtzen ez dakitenek ikasten ez dutelako, dakitenek erabiltzen ez dutelako baizik"
Good bye, good luck.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
2958
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:13:00 -
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Do you know what's going to be funny with this change?
99% of the victims will not know until it happens, because if they spoke enough English to read the warning, maybe they would not be using the non-supported language channels.
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Darkblad
Hilfe is like free Entertainment
506
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:25:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Do you know what's going to be funny with this change?
99% of the victims will not know until it happens, because if they spoke enough English to read the warning, maybe they would not be using the non-supported language channels.
This. There's yet no note about this in the motd (of the German language channel - which is officially "supported"). Guess it's the same for the other languages, supported or not.
Removing anything that's currently in the motd of the 39 channels and placing a visible statement on this change into there should'nt be too hard to do.
Sticking to an english statement, if no one fluent in that language is available, might suffice for those unsupported language channels as they probably stick with the English Client version?
Or just drop it and those affected and not yet aware of that change.
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Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
79
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:56:00 -
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Ok, constructive suggestion time. Since there've been no CCP responses to any of the concerns raised in this thread so far (or in the one on the German forums), we presumably have to assume that this is not something our friends in Reykjavik are prepared to negotiate about. Various people are creating alternatives already (Darkblad, Mai, etc.). But they're going to be hard to find. So if CCP are committed to this, the "channel finder" (such as it is) needs a massive overhaul. It needs to look and function like the fleet finder. People need to be able to advertise their private channels in it. (There is a "Player Channels" category, but I've no idea how to get a channel listed there.) There needs to be a language tag/filter. And there needs to be a function whereby you can vet people wanting to join. I'm calling on CCP to do this first, before shutting everyone down. At the very least, I'd like to be assured that something like this is in the pipeline.
Your spirit is the true shield. |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
21
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Posted - 2014.09.25 20:02:00 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote:Ok, constructive suggestion time. Since there've been no CCP responses to any of the concerns raised in this thread so far (or in the one on the German forums), we presumably have to assume that this is not something our friends in Reykjavik are prepared to negotiate about. Various people are creating alternatives already (Darkblad, Mai, etc.). But they're going to be hard to find. So if CCP are committed to this, the "channel finder" (such as it is) needs a massive overhaul. It needs to look and function like the fleet finder. People need to be able to advertise their private channels in it. (There is a "Player Channels" category, but I've no idea how to get a channel listed there.) There needs to be a language tag/filter. And there needs to be a function whereby you can vet people wanting to join. I'm calling on CCP to do this first, before shutting everyone down. At the very least, I'd like to be assured that something like this is in the pipeline.
+1 this, keep the channels for at least until we have a proper alternative for it |
Xeator
soldiers.fi
46
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Posted - 2014.09.25 23:05:00 -
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lolcorpholder alt wrote:Morihei Akachi wrote:Ok, constructive suggestion time. Since there've been no CCP responses to any of the concerns raised in this thread so far (or in the one on the German forums), we presumably have to assume that this is not something our friends in Reykjavik are prepared to negotiate about. Various people are creating alternatives already (Darkblad, Mai, etc.). But they're going to be hard to find. So if CCP are committed to this, the "channel finder" (such as it is) needs a massive overhaul. It needs to look and function like the fleet finder. People need to be able to advertise their private channels in it. (There is a "Player Channels" category, but I've no idea how to get a channel listed there.) There needs to be a language tag/filter. And there needs to be a function whereby you can vet people wanting to join. I'm calling on CCP to do this first, before shutting everyone down. At the very least, I'd like to be assured that something like this is in the pipeline. +1 this, keep the channels for at least until we have a proper alternative for it
Why settle for some poor alternative? How about CCP solving the real issue of "politically motivated trolling" instead of making these rash decisions out of the blue?
Keep the channels! |
Aldent Arkanon
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2014.09.26 00:07:00 -
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Awful, wasteful and unnecessary change. Don't see one decent reason why this is beneficial or should be done. You are literally shooting yourselves in the foot by doing this. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4546
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Posted - 2014.09.26 00:12:00 -
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So you have trolls in a channel.
Let's close the channel and the problem is fixed.
Sorry, but wrong. Troll is still there and will just kmove to the next channel.
The Dutch channel was one of the first I joined amd still occasionally visit. It was of GREAT help when I just started the game.
Sorry CCP, but -10 on the idea. Just with this you made your next patch utterly stupid and ********. Really hope that instead of masking the problem with a dumb move you will solve it and leave la guage channels as they are.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with.
Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Finde learth
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2014.09.26 00:13:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Good afternoon capsuleers  Some of you who've been on Singularity may have noticed that the officially hosted language have vanished from the channel listing in the client. Previously we've supported a total of 39 language channels in game, however over the course of the last 12 months or so we have had a rise in the number of complaints regarding politically motivated trolling and inappropriate content being displayed in them. With most of these languages having no official support from CCP, this means that investigating and answering tickets of this nature from these channels is sometimes not possible due to a significant language barrier. This is contrary to our policy of moderating and enforcing our terms of service (in particular the sections on player conduct) in persistent CCP hosted channels within the EVE client. As such, with Oceanus we'll be removing the officially hosted language based channels from the EVE Online client, and only the help channels for our officially supported languages will remain. We'd like to let you all know in advance, and invite you to create your own player run language channels after the Oceanus release is deployed in order to continue discussions in your native languages if you wish to do so. - F <3
CCP **** off me again.
Maybe it's time to leave EVE. |
Beta Maoye
43
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Posted - 2014.09.26 01:06:00 -
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This is a very bad decision. It will do your company more harm than good.
Do you mean you don't want new players who speak Afrikaans, Albanian, Arabic, Belarussian, Brazilian, Chinese, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, Estonian, Faroese, Filipino, Finnish, Greek, Hebrew, Hungarian, Icelandic, Italian, Korean, Latvian, Lithuanian, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Serbian, Slovenian, Spanish, Swedish, Turkish, Ukrainian, Vietnamese? |
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