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Derrick Miles
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:18:50 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Being exciting does not equate to emotional investment.
Yes it does. To be excited, you would have to find it exciting. If you were not emotionally invested at all, then you would not find it exciting. This is not true. Their are plenty of ways to be 'excited' by something you aren't emotionally invested in. Roller Coasters and Casual Sex come to mind. "Emotionally Invested" means that you are entangled in a situation, and it's outcome can have a negative impact on you. Not getting to ride a roller coaster doesn't devastate a person emotionally unless they are 5 years old and told they are too short or young to ride lol.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say you just related Eve to roller coasters and casual sex. I'm really hoping you meant it to be more the former than the latter.
And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:30:10 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:
And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on.
I spent a lot of time on a car I rebuilt. Then i sold it. Money trumps nostalgia.
I spent a lot of time raising a cow from the day it was born....right up to the time I shipped it to a slaughter house and they shipped me back Steaks and I sold the rest to the people who make hair brushes, bubble gum, shampoo and water proofing agents.
I spent a LOT of time collecting rookie baseball cards. Sold them for a trip to Disney as a kid.
The list of IMPORTANT things in my life, the things I am "Emotionally Invested" in is limited to my family, my friends, my country and my career.
My Archon and My Machariel are nice, they are not on that list however. If such things are on someone's list, they have problems. |
Anslo
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:36:37 -
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You ever think the emotional investment wasn't based on the ship, but the game itself and everything you put into it?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:42:36 -
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Anslo wrote:You ever think the emotional investment wasn't based on the ship, but the game itself and everything you put into it?
No.
It's a combination of unhealthy attachment and functional narcissism. They think they are or should be "immune". When the inherent wrongness of this belief is demonstrated in terms impossible to ignore(like having your ship blown up), the subject flies into a rage rather than confront the possibility of being wrong.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:43:20 -
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Anslo wrote:You ever think the emotional investment wasn't based on the ship, but the game itself and everything you put into it?
Being emotionally invested in a video game that could die at any moment is dumb. I put a lot of time into EVE, but I keep it in context, it is entertainment, it means nothing beyond that. The relationships I've made with people in EVE is a bit different, but that does not change what EVE is. A game.
With the exception of the things I mention is the post before this one, I follow the tenets of "DeNiro-ism". EVE Online is constantly within 30 seconds of not existing for me, if it becomes unfun or requires too much 'investment'. |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:44:13 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:
And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on.
I spent a lot of time on a car I rebuilt. Then i sold it. Money trumps nostalgia. I spent a lot of time raising a cow from the day it was born....right up to the time I shipped it to a slaughter house and they shipped me back Steaks and I sold the rest to the people who make hair brushes, bubble gum, shampoo and water proofing agents. I spent a LOT of time collecting rookie baseball cards. Sold them for a trip to Disney as a kid. The list of IMPORTANT things in my life, the things I am "Emotionally Invested" in is limited to my family, my friends, my country and my career. My Archon and My Machariel are nice, they are not on that list however. If such things are on someone's list, they have problems.
You are emotionally invested a great deal in your family and friends. You were also emotionally invested, if only just a little bit, in the material possessions you gave up or you wouldn't even remember them in the first place. You are confusing the degree of emotions with the fact that they exist at all. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:52:40 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:
And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on.
You are emotionally invested a great deal in your family and friends. You were also emotionally invested, if only just a little bit, in the material possessions you gave up or you wouldn't even remember them in the first place. You are confusing the degree of emotions with the fact that they exist at all.
These two posts are wrong and passing opinion on as neuroscience.
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Angeal MacNova
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:52:48 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Stop trying to create a false equivalency between bad behavior and normal behavior.
I'm not "creating" anything. It's simply how it works for beings who are capable of emotion. "Equivalency between bad behavior and normal behavior"? You clearly are confused. What "bad behavior"? Emotional investment is normal behavior.
@Jenn
There is a difference between being emotionally invested in the activity and being emotionally invested in the object. You enjoyed working on the car (emotionally invested in the activity) but felt nothing when you sold it (no emotional investment in the car). You may have enjoyed raising the cattle (emotional investment in the activity) but felt nothing when you sent the cattle for slaughter (no emotional investment in the cattle).
It's easy to get confused here where you thought what you were emotionally invested in was the object when that wasn't actually the case.
People do actually get emotionally invested in roller coasters when they ride them. It why they behave the way they do while on them. You even see it when they go on about it after the ride is over. It become even more evident when they 'can't wait to get back on it'.
As for casual sex. People do get emotionally invested there too. Again this is an area where you can get easily confused. What you are interested in is yourself and your own pleasure. What you are not emotionally invested in (and it's the defining point of what makes it "casual") is the the other person.
As all this pertains to EvE, yes you can be emotionally invested in EvE but not be emotionally invested into your ship within EvE. This is where people are getting confused. |
Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:53:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
I remember the shower I took this morning, I guess I'm emotionally invested in washing my ass?
Man I hope so. You ever smelled week old pod goo and burrito farts?
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:55:51 -
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La Nariz wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:
And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on.
You are emotionally invested a great deal in your family and friends. You were also emotionally invested, if only just a little bit, in the material possessions you gave up or you wouldn't even remember them in the first place. You are confusing the degree of emotions with the fact that they exist at all. These two posts are wrong and passing opinion on as neuroscience.
In no way did I mention neuroscience in those posts or make any claim to be an expert in it. It's interesting that you do however. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:57:34 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Stop trying to create a false equivalency between bad behavior and normal behavior. I'm not "creating" anything. It's simply how it works for beings who are capable of emotion. "Equivalency between bad behavior and normal behavior"? You clearly are confused. What "bad behavior"? Emotional investment is normal behavior.
That's exactly what you are doing.
Hell, literally a few sentences after you claim that you aren't doing it, you do it.
It's not "how it works", that's just you talking out of your ass. Flipping your lid when you lose a 10million isk retriever is completely insane. It is NOT "normal behavior", it is incredibly ****ed up and childish.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:57:49 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:La Nariz wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:
And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on.
You are emotionally invested a great deal in your family and friends. You were also emotionally invested, if only just a little bit, in the material possessions you gave up or you wouldn't even remember them in the first place. You are confusing the degree of emotions with the fact that they exist at all. These two posts are wrong and passing opinion on as neuroscience. In no way did I mention neuroscience in those posts or make any claim to be an expert in it. It's interesting that you do however.
You're making a claim about how the brain works that is literally neuroscience.
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Derrick Miles
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:00:14 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:
And to me emotional investment is anything that causes your emotions to change. The degree of it is certainly important and debatable, but I don't think you can argue against the fact that you're emotionally attached in some way to something you spend so much time on.
I spent a lot of time on a car I rebuilt. Then i sold it. Money trumps nostalgia. I spent a lot of time raising a cow from the day it was born....right up to the time I shipped it to a slaughter house and they shipped me back Steaks and I sold the rest to the people who make hair brushes, bubble gum, shampoo and water proofing agents. I spent a LOT of time collecting rookie baseball cards. Sold them for a trip to Disney as a kid. The list of IMPORTANT things in my life, the things I am "Emotionally Invested" in is limited to my family, my friends, my country and my career. My Archon and My Machariel are nice, they are not on that list however. If such things are on someone's list, they have problems. You are emotionally invested a great deal in your family and friends. You were also emotionally invested, if only just a little bit, in the material possessions you gave up or you wouldn't even remember them in the first place. You are confusing the degree of emotions with the fact that they exist at all. I remember the shower I took this morning, I guess I'm emotionally invested in washing my ass? You have a screwy and incorrect idea of what the term "emotional investment" means. Just because you spend time on something or remember something doesn't mean you are attached to it. I remember the burger I ate yesterday too.
It's a bit different to remember something that happened during your childhood and something you ate yesterday.
And somehow I don't think this semantic argument has any bearing on what is or isn't wrong with Eve. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:02:10 -
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It certainly does, the fact that you are losing the argument doesn't have any bearing on it.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:03:09 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:
And somehow I don't think this semantic argument has any bearing on what is or isn't wrong with Eve.
It's pretty much the entire topic, actually.
Some people want to claim that "what's wrong with EVE" is that their particular mental illness is not being catered to.
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Derrick Miles
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:04:25 -
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La Nariz wrote:You're making a claim about how the brain works that is literally neuroscience.
Neuroscience is the study of the nervous system. Your feelings are related to the biochemistry of the brain, sure, but every discussion about feelings is not neuroscience. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:05:08 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Serene Repose wrote:I wish I could agree with your premise OP, but I think you have to restate it. You're really talking about the problems with associating with sociopaths. You can see a post like this brings them out of the woodwork and they have no problem at all crowing about their sociopathic behavior - touting it to be perfectly normal, while YOUR perspective is the problem.
They have no compunction about bragging they are not men of their word, or ladies with integrity and honor. They will boast about lying as a rule, then vilify you for getting near enough to them to hear them utter those lies. Ah, but to believe them? They'd lie in game. Why do we assume they aren't lying here? I don't. May their egos shrivel up even more. There's a distinct difference between true sociopaths, anti-social behavior, narcissists, and general a-holes. Most people who are a-holes in a game or anywhere else do it because they feel okay with doing it, yet still perceive themselves as decent people because they have people they care about and people that care about them. Narcissists will call themselves sociopaths but really aren't, as both self labeling and the desire not to care about consequences or what anyone thinks screams "love me!". Sociopaths see noone and nothing of value except to use to their own ends. Family, friends, etc. They can be charming and appear super intelligent because they lack emotional baggage like conscience for conning or self doubt for executing plans or figuring out how to work and manipulate people. Their goal is one thing "how can I squeeze every benefit out of everything around me and avoid consequences". Many web searches for sociopath+trolling can reveal some understanding of what goes on via internet or multiplayer games. Any game which allows a sociopath to revel in their own sadistic and destructive impulses is going to draw them like a moth to a flame. It has to, they're following their mechanisms just like people who actually have a conscience follow theirs.
this is all the fault of some people i made up
no there's a difference between those imaginary people and these other people i invented please be sure to categorise nonexistant classifications of fantastic people correctly in the future as we head towards a wonderful world of imagination together and blame fake things for our problems |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:06:10 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:La Nariz wrote:You're making a claim about how the brain works that is literally neuroscience. Neuroscience is the study of the nervous system. Your feelings are related to the biochemistry of the brain, sure, but every discussion about feelings is not neuroscience.
See my above post and if you are still confused come to my office hours.
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Angeal MacNova
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:08:41 -
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http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Emotional_Investments.html |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:10:03 -
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i miss dinsdale,
if he were able to post we would all be arguing with/laughing at him instead of bickering between ourselves.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:10:33 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Emotional_Investments.html
That was a good laugh. Next time try citing something that, you know, doesn't look like it was coded in the 90s.
Your Google-fu is weak.
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:11:26 -
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La Nariz wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:La Nariz wrote:You're making a claim about how the brain works that is literally neuroscience. Neuroscience is the study of the nervous system. Your feelings are related to the biochemistry of the brain, sure, but every discussion about feelings is not neuroscience. See my above post and if you are still confused come to my office hours.
That was a timely edit I guess. And if you had office hours I would definitely never go to them if that's the totality of your debate skills. |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:15:28 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Emotional_Investments.html That was a good laugh. Next time try citing something that, you know, doesn't look like it was coded in the 90s. Your Google-fu is weak.
Yeah cause you know, someone with a PhD in psychology wouldn't know what they're talking about and an anonymous armchair expert such as yourself would  |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:16:13 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:La Nariz wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:La Nariz wrote:You're making a claim about how the brain works that is literally neuroscience. Neuroscience is the study of the nervous system. Your feelings are related to the biochemistry of the brain, sure, but every discussion about feelings is not neuroscience. See my above post and if you are still confused come to my office hours. That was a timely edit I guess. And if you had office hours I would definitely never go to them if that's the totality of your debate skills.
I don't need to debate people I out rank and who don't have any understanding of the field they are trying to talk about. It only lends their bad argument more credibility.
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Derrick Miles
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:19:17 -
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La Nariz wrote:I don't need to debate people I out rank and who don't have any understanding of the field they are trying to talk about. It only lends their bad argument more credibility.
People you out rank? What world are you living in? I would say we should just agree to disagree but I get the feeling that's never going to happen. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:19:22 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Emotional_Investments.html That was a good laugh. Next time try citing something that, you know, doesn't look like it was coded in the 90s. Your Google-fu is weak. Yeah cause you know, someone with a PhD in psychology wouldn't know what they're talking about and an anonymous armchair expert such as yourself would
It's some kind of blog and not peer reviewed or sourced well so yeah it's essentially elephant dung. Do try again though research is a good thing to do and can only help you. Try PMC their articles don't have a pay wall.
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:20:29 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:La Nariz wrote:I don't need to debate people I out rank and who don't have any understanding of the field they are trying to talk about. It only lends their bad argument more credibility. People you out rank? What world are you living in? I would say we should just agree to disagree but I get the feeling that's never going to happen.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:20:33 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:La Nariz wrote:I don't need to debate people I out rank and who don't have any understanding of the field they are trying to talk about. It only lends their bad argument more credibility. People you out rank? What world are you living in? I would say we should just agree to disagree but I get the feeling that's never going to happen.
The same one you do, yes I out rank you you're welcome to Internet detective my LinkedIn page. Maybe ripard teg can help you.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:21:05 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Emotional_Investments.html That was a good laugh. Next time try citing something that, you know, doesn't look like it was coded in the 90s. Your Google-fu is weak. Yeah cause you know, someone with a PhD in psychology wouldn't know what they're talking about and an anonymous armchair expert such as yourself would
You might be surprised how many people with Ph.D.'s have no idea what they're talking about. Look up the term diploma mill.
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Benny Ohu
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:24:09 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:You might be surprised how many people with Ph.D.'s have no idea what they're talking about. Look up the term diploma mill.
i like the article i just think the person who linked it only read the title |
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