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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
2601
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:32:54 -
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I'm sure those corps with 50% tax rate recruiting in the newbie systems do wonders for the player retention. |
Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
7
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:34:17 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Game is fine, the people are ******.
Indeed... and thats basically what OP was on about....
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Valkin Mordirc
324
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:37:40 -
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On terms of Vets being mean to Newbies, Some are, some aren't
You just hear more about the bad because people will spread bad news faster than good.
On the topic of Honour. Honour is completely based on perspective, I find it 'honourable' or better termed respectable when people are willing to fight, rather than stay docked up all day, but some people say it's smart to stay docked up because you'll probably lose.
Honour is dead because the culture of EVE is vast, and a lot of peoples definition of honour is different.
As a Wardeccer, I've stright chased a venture in a Cerb, alphaed the poor thing off the field then did again after chasing the dude around, most would consider this harassment and griefing. I just considered it a part of the game. If you join a player corp, you sign an invisible waiver that says: I accept that I can be AWOXED Wardecced stolen from, taken advantage of from this point. Weather I understand it or not.
On the flip side, I've paid for ships which I've blown to pieces, offered advice to new people, and some of the people I blown up, are not apart of my corp, having fun. I play EVE, in the same way, not caring about if the player is 10 years or 1 day old. It honestly doesn't matter because a new player can easily kill me if the right steps are taken.
Once I was campnig the amarr undock, and a little mining barge was trying to warp away, I was in a Phobos and judging my the player multiple attempts to run, he didn't understand that a phobos could infinity-point him. After he 5th or so attempt he died. So I convo'ed him and asked him why he kept trying to run.
He didn't understand why he couldn't run and was under the impression we had had hacked the game. =S
However after explaining to what happened, he apologized for the accusation. And So I sent him 100mil isk and taught him how to create insta-undocks, and gave him a few URL's to guides that would help him in the short and long run. In my notes, I actually have saved sites to give to people who don't know what they are doing.
So, not all people who are merc and Highsec suspect gamers, are not 'Griefers' They just so happen to be tired of listening the same dribble about how they are ruining the game. They all started in the same place you did. But have learned in a quicker fashion that sometimes EVE isn't fair.
If I happened to be on your losemail, convo me and I ask me; 'how can I prevent this from happening again?' or have any general questions in general I can help you stop that.
However if you call me a psychopath, a griefer, so on and so forth all your going to is make me angry. And all the accomplishes is making yourself more of a target then benefiting you.
Losing things in EVE is an integral part of the game, have people around you to teach you why you've lost, and why you should it do it again, or how you can turn the tables, is of the utmost and highest importance to the game.
My ramblings on the subject anyways,.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
193
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:46:37 -
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Eve is a *****, she's a horny vicious vindictive evil ***** , but damn is she hot
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Marcus Tedric
Tedric Enterprises The Star League
2
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:48:13 -
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The 'problem' with EVE in this respect is quite arguably very simple - that there are no consequences.
I play to compete with others - for humans beat any AI hands-down - and I like to game/play and there simply isn't anything else like EVE (that I have found). I've come back to EVE simply because that is true.
However, I also know that I am an uncommon type of player - which to me is a sad indication of the gaming industry, that simply puts out a lot of mindless entertainment rubbish that I find unplayable.
If EVE were ever re-started (which could be the final answer); then I would strongly recommend the following:
- each player restricted to a maximum of 2 accounts; with only a single character allowed on an account
Then EVE, the security of relevant space, 'honour', consequences - the entire actual concept of being a capsuleer in New Eden would be more 'real' - and then real things would happen.
Make EVE 'that different' (more like a proper simulation) - and need more realistic logistics. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5996
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:52:50 -
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Pro TIps wrote:Someone tricking you in a duel is IMO not broken. It happens, it's unfortunate, and you end up learning not to expect pre-conditions for duels to be honored. Ralph King-Griffin wrote:im quite nice to the newbies i shoot in the face. What's most wrong with the "new player experience" is that Ralph's alliance exists, along with a number of others, who wardec thousands of players and simply grief them. Most of these players are highsec alts of people who know what they are doing. Unfortunately, some are legitimate newbies who have joined a player-corp, hope to make friends and grow in the game, and are victimized by a very small group of highsec "mercenaries" who spend their days shooting people between Amarr and Jita, and visiting mission hubs to kill Drakes and Vexors. Newbies will or won't keep playing eve based largely on whether or not they make friends, and the easiest way to do that is to join a player-corp. Unfortunately, the broken wardec mechanics make it impossible to operate a corp in highsec with more than a few dozen members. Once you get to 100 or so, your corp will have wardecs constantly, your newbies will be unable to travel, and you break the highsec learning environment for them. The best thing CCP could do to improve new player retention would be to make additional, concurrent offensive wardecs cost twice as much as the first such wardec; and to index the base wardec prices to the cost of PLEX. For example, The Devil's Warrior Alliance decs Acme Mining & Missions, with their 30 members. Costs about 50M ISK/week. Then they dec 25 more similar corps, all for the same price. What should happen is, the second target corp costs them 100M ISK/week, third one 200M, fourth one 400M, and so on. It will no longer be practical to keep a significant fraction of the players in the game under a wardec so they can shoot fish off stargates in Niarja. If the above change were implemented, Devil's Warrior could still dec people and find targets; but they would actually have to find targets. As in, leave Niarja and look for them; because they won't afford to dec thousands of players anymore. There are additional things badly broken about highsec wardecs, but this one is what hurts newbies and new player retention. actually i spend a lot of time and isk on newbies i have shot, so does Feyd.
if you cant deal with or operate under war dec (which should be an excellent opportunity to teach newbies about war mechanics and ambush avoidance ) then why the hell are you taking newbies in. if you cant defend them , or enable them how to do so then how are they better off in your corp than in an npc one?
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
726
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:56:47 -
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Plug in Baby wrote:Maybe test your fits / duel with corpmates rather than randoms in highsec?
That and CCP has this wonderful thing called a test server also. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2721
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Posted - 2014.10.23 12:08:29 -
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History is being ignored when planning for changes to nullsec?
This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
Improve the forums, support this idea:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133
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Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
51
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Posted - 2014.10.23 12:09:00 -
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Aeon Plex wrote:I wanted to share quickly what I see as wrong with EVE, and what is so amazingly right, at the same time.
Over the last month, the price of the Garmur has dropped drastically. This is awesome as I've been waiting to get one!
So last night I got a Garmur. Looked up fits and made one I liked. I took it out for a spin and the second I undocked from jita every single person wanted a duel. I was finally hailed to convo by a 9 year old character asking if I wanted to duel.
"Sure I said, but only to hull, as I just bought this and I haven't had a proper fight in it yet."
They agreed, more than once, and I was very very clear. But were busy, and kept putting off he fight, so I logged for the night.
Tonight I jump on, and a few minutes later I'm hailed again by this 9 yr old character. They ask if I would like to duel to hull, and I say sure!
We fly to planet 1, and they ask if they can test the range on their fit, and I'm happy to oblige. They ask me to stop orbiting them so they can check range, and so I do, and then they fly to 0, and kill my Garmur without hesitation, then blink off the conversation we had been having for about an hour.
Now you may say to yourself, "well, duh! Next time don't trust anyone in EVE!"
but honestly that's what he said, so don't be an idiot.
Let's be clear. Losing an 80 mil ISK ship isn't going to bankrupt me or ruin my experience in EVE.
I can see it ruining someone else's experience though, and that's what I want to express. This person had nothing to gain, not even a killmail from killing my Garmur. Doing this kind of thing, is what makes people leave this game. And maybe that's what someone like him wants.
If it had been a fair fight and he had kept going past hull, I wouldn't have minded all that much, but there was no honor, and no sportsmanship at all. In the end, I really just ended up feeling sorry for this guy as a human being.
I've met some really amazing people in EVE, people that have given me ships, people that have taught me things about the game, and people that have podded me, and then given me the money I would need to get my ship back 10x.
Ask yourself though, when the majority of people that come into this game as newbies get treated like crap, (I have been treated like crap plenty more times than this in EVE) and for no reason, and leave, can you blame them? And can you see any future in a game like that? Any real value?
I know myself, that I rarely see any new characters anymore. Everyone I see is almost 10 years old. And this is why. If a 9 year old character has nothing better to do, that troll new characters, and under the sad guise of 'don't trust anyone in EVE' then I'm really not sure that I can see a long term investment in this game is something I want to consider.
Aeon Plex > o7 Kayden Drake > morning!? Aeon Plex > night for meeeee Kayden Drake > want to do a practice duel now? Aeon Plex > yes!! Aeon Plex > im comin outside Kayden Drake > your gonna use the garmur right? Aeon Plex > yeah :-) Aeon Plex > I haven't been in a fuight with it yet Kayden Drake > ok one minute Aeon Plex > lemme know :-) Aeon Plex > do you play at work or somethin'? Kayden Drake > yeh Aeon Plex > hee hee Aeon Plex > ok lemme know. I'm gonna have cig Aeon Plex > be back on in about 5? Kayden Drake > take your time Aeon Plex > and we shall battle!! ;-) Kayden Drake > hey back yet? Aeon Plex > I'm back Aeon Plex > lemme know when u are ready!! :-) Kayden Drake > can e plz practice duel at a planet, its too busy outside 4-4 Aeon Plex > sure Kayden Drake > ok, planet 1 Aeon Plex > I'll meet u there! Kayden Drake > i fit out this stupid cruiser randomly Kayden Drake > can i test my longpopng on you? just to see how it works Aeon Plex > sure! Kayden Drake > come cloer first, your not in point range Kayden Drake > closer* Aeon Plex > what is the point range on that? Kayden Drake > ROfl, your still moving away Kayden Drake > thats the thing i'm not sure Kayden Drake > thats what i want to test Aeon Plex > ok I'll stay still :-) so u can check Kayden Drake > thx Aeon Plex > LoL Aeon Plex > um.. (he blinks off)
Whatever, I'll buy another ship, but how much longer can a game like this really last? I've talked with ppl on TS about this, and they are just as worried about the serious lack of new blood in EVE.
I agree with OP. This kind of attitude is killing the game. It is almost impossible to find honest ISK doubler in JITA nowadays. But fear not! I am one of the few remaining honest ISK doubler around. These scammer have been giving us honest folks bad reputation.
To demonstrate my sincerity and to help you with the lost of your Garmur, I am willing to TRIPLE the isk you send to me. |
Mharius Skjem
Republic University Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2014.10.23 12:29:46 -
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The brutality of eve is what keeps bringing me back every time I quit. I've played for 7 years and now I'm starting again with a new toon.
The harshness of stuff that goes on makes eve a real living universe and has much more appeals for me than other games where your choices have no real consequences.
You choose to undock and duel with a stranger.
If people are turned off by this type of thing and don't stick around then I'd say that we don't want them as players. The quality control is working.
Eve is an elite mmo, it's not for everyone.
A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
370
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:06:48 -
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I got screwed over by a guy I had been playing with consistently over a long period of time, in 2000 or so, in Asheron's Call. Since then I don't give any players in MMOs much trust unless they're someone I know IRL. I look at every interaction as "how can this player use this to screw me over?" Honorable fights in EVE? lol. Most other games, if they have players behaving honorably, have it because they have mechanics that force it, or protect players from each other.
The real problem with EVE is it is just a bunch of generic rooms that you load your spaceship through one by one while trying to find fights you think you can win. There is nothing entertaining outside of fighting other players. The PvE is dull and the "landscape" is boring. The world is seen from afar, interacted with indirectly, and delayed by an obvious server tick. And some people get to the point where they don't even find PVP entertaining anymore, or never did. So the only fun times left to be had is to prod other players and see how long it takes for them to flip out.
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1255
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:10:27 -
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha @ OP, thinking he could trust people he barely knows to only go to hull. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Journies End
287
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:13:07 -
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The thing for me is that the way Eve itself is shaped as a game goes against the fundamental moralities we have as a society and in a sense goes against our own humanity itself. And because of that it creates something that works against the ideals we have been brought up with. Its this conflict of natures that turns off so many people to Eve imo, as not everyone can handle having their entire way of being thrown around and turned upside down. The few that can; stay, and the even fewer thrive in that sort of a system.
To me its this disconnect with the world around us that has been the reason that Eves numbers stay so low. As the darkness thats within the human soul is evident in everyday life, media tells us daily of the atrocities committed world wide. We shudder and think how horrible it is even if it hasnt happened directly to us but more importantly we believe that the unjust, evil people will be punished. In Eve there is none of that punishment or justice happening. The game itself is built to allow freely what societies worldwide try to remove from within its ranks.
That is imo what makes Eve what it is and what makes it so unique in the gaming world.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace
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Paranoid Loyd
2370
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:36:43 -
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What wrong with this game is you can't patch stupid.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6000
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:39:18 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:What wrong with this game is you can't patch stupid.
try antimatter
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6901
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:46:47 -
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Aeon Plex wrote:In simplest terms, what is wrong with EVE
Player entitlement.
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
184
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:00:21 -
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Aeon Plex wrote:Whatever, I'll buy another ship, but how much longer can a game like this really last? I've talked with ppl on TS about this, and they are just as worried about the serious lack of new blood in EVE.
I really don't understand what you expected CCP to do to prevent this. The only thing I can think that you're asking for is an area where combat has no consequences. Childish behavior exists in every video game so I don't think it will be the downfall of Eve. (Did the character have a large bounty on him?)
I do wish CCP would figure out a way to reward/bonus a white knight role so your antagonist could experience some Karma. Good vs. Evil is a powerful theme. Unfortunately, Evil has more power in Eve. |
Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
13
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:00:38 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha @ OP, thinking he could trust people he barely knows to only go to hull.
ha ha ha ha....beeuurrkk...oops sorry.
Its called 'benefit of the doubt' by the way.
Its why you can be here..... lovin' boobies.
Basically a noble, though somewhat unforgiving, trait.
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6003
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:05:28 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:
Its called 'benefit of the doubt' by the way.
actually its called naive or gullible
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
10481
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:06:13 -
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That's... simplest terms?
Bottom line is Eve is a niche sandbox and this is one of the reasons. Freedom to play in the sand your way means there will inevitably be those who enjoy stomping all over the nice sandcastles of others. |
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Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
13
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:08:44 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:
Its called 'benefit of the doubt' by the way.
actually its called naive or gullible
In your (sad?) world it probably does.
In others it can start long lasting friendships and other worthwhile things.
In the OP's case it unfortunately backfired. But bless him/her for at least giving someone that option.
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6003
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:09:02 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:That's... simplest terms?
Bottom line is Eve is a niche sandbox and this is one of the reasons. Freedom to play in the sand your way means there will inevitably be those who enjoy stomping all over the nice sandcastles of others. indeed
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
13
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:11:08 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:That's... simplest terms?
Bottom line is Eve is a niche sandbox and this is one of the reasons. Freedom to play in the sand your way means there will inevitably be those who enjoy stomping all over the nice sandcastles of others.
Fully agree... but only because we let them :)
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Valkin Mordirc
327
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:14:19 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:
Its called 'benefit of the doubt' by the way.
actually its called naive or gullible In your (sad?) world it probably does. In others it can start long lasting friendships and other worthwhile things. In the OP's case it unfortunately backfired. But bless him/her for at least giving someone that option.
And why is that sad?
Because what he does in the game different from the theme park you wish it to be?
Or is it because he understands what EVE is? Where you can be a villain?
Where you think Moral codes and Noble actions should be apart of Game Decisions?
Or because you think you are entitled to be left to play in your own private sandbox?
Where as the rest EVE happily plays together, Even though some might not like the castles others are building?
HTFU
#DeleteTheWeak
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Athena Aideron
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:15:16 -
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OP stated that this obviously immoral fellow had nothing to gain.. He got a Kill Mail which is probably the best thing ever.
Also, if you feel bad for him as a human being because of how he plays a video game then I must saddly object to your point of view. I have flown and met players from all possible lines of work in Eve, and I have never met someone that I would consider evil or sociopathic and so forth.
Hell, there's even Eve trailers adversing subversion and deceit, so yeah, there's many things "wrong" with Eve, but getting fooled is not one of them. In fact, I think it makes Eve unique.
Now what do I think is wrong in Eve? Assumptions that one is evul based on game play and those that would encourage such assumptions. True sociopaths do not play video games.. |
Marcus Tedric
Tedric Enterprises The Star League
2
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:17:48 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: The thing for me is that the way Eve itself is shaped as a game goes against the fundamental moralities we have as a society and in a sense goes against our own humanity itself. And because of that it creates something that works against the ideals we have been brought up with. Its this conflict of natures that turns off so many people to Eve imo, as not everyone can handle having their entire way of being thrown around and turned upside down. The few that can; stay, and the even fewer thrive in that sort of a system.
To me its this disconnect with the world around us that has been the reason that Eves numbers stay so low. As the darkness thats within the human soul is evident in everyday life, media tells us daily of the atrocities committed world wide. We shudder and think how horrible it is even if it hasnt happened directly to us but more importantly we believe that the unjust, evil people will be punished. In Eve there is none of that punishment or justice happening. The game itself is built to allow freely what societies worldwide try to remove from within its ranks.
That is imo what makes Eve what it is and what makes it so unique in the gaming world.
Close and connects to my earlier post - there are no (completely insufficient) consequences in EVE. Players play EVE as they would conduct RL, if RL had the same 'sandbox' as EVE.
What's particularly wrong with EVE - especially now - is that the Predator v Prey ratio is so skewed. Make EVE a bit more of a simulation and less gamey and more people may wish to play and believe they have a chance - taking the risk because indeed EVE <> RL.
More actual players means more potential prey to support the predator population.
Goodness, we have to eventually leave this little planet of ours - a space-based game that actually encouraged that interest, in the most realistic way possible, would help the entire human race! -> EVE2.......
EVE would then be the most comprehensive Beta Test ever run. I wonder how many new players would actually be interested if EVE were actually to restart? |
embrel
BamBam Inc. Outlanders United
193
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:35:11 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote: If you want a 'fair' duel, or just one to test out fits, stick with corpmates / alliancemembers & friends to test stuff like that out. Don't rely on total strangers to keep their word, that'll get you killed/scammed, just like in reality (but in EvE it's just pixels)
I'm happy to live in a place where people are far more trustworthy than they are in Eve.
And I feel sorry for you if you live in a place where people are like players in Eve.
I mean, fine in a game.... but in RL....??? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6003
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:41:09 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:
In your (sad?) world it probably does.
why ? did i miss a memo about strangers on the internet at some point ?
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
14
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:44:25 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:
Its called 'benefit of the doubt' by the way.
actually its called naive or gullible In your (sad?) world it probably does. In others it can start long lasting friendships and other worthwhile things. In the OP's case it unfortunately backfired. But bless him/her for at least giving someone that option. And why is that sad? Because what he does in the game different from the theme park you wish it to be? Or is it because he understands what EVE is? Where you can be a villain? Where you think Moral codes and Noble actions should be apart of Game Decisions? Or because you think you are entitled to be left to play in your own private sandbox? Where as the rest EVE happily plays together, Even though some might not like the castles others are building? HTFU
If you need me to explain you why that is sad ... then thats even more sad... i weep for you.
Because what he does in the game different from the theme park you wish it to be?
I have never said this game needed to be changed... if i did i apologise. Its PEOPLE that, i think, need to change. If you dont understand why or need an example.... look at the news and around you. And yes i understand this is a game but chances are that if you behave like an oaf ingame ( and even defend it)... you are an oaf IRL... and i DONT mean the PvP mechanics.
Or is it because he understands what EVE is? Where you can be a villain?
I understand EVE perfectly thank you... i too think its great if you can PLAY the villain.
Where you think Moral codes and Noble actions should be apart of Game Decisions?
Nowhere.... They SHOULD be part of YOU! But that concept seems lost on some of my fellow players... unfortunately.
Or because you think you are entitled to be left to play in your own private sandbox?
I dont feel entitled to anything... really. The game is fine as is... its people screwing other people over (not PvP) and calling it okay just because they can. Its your sense of whats right and wrong that should steer your actions...
Jeez how do you explain that... if you dont get that by now you probably never will.
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
5155
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:51:09 -
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Quote:that works against the ideals we have been brought up with.
Oh really? Someone forces those people to shot others in the face, or to scam them, or make them look miserable? Or maybe it isn't game or you, but some evil spirit take control of your mind?
New player that tries in vain to get something from data sites in low, just to see how veteran passing by in Astero who flips him a finger and says HTFU.
And second one veteran player fills the new guy wallet with 50 M ISK for more ships to lose.
Recon makes them stronger
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