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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:21:17 -
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Anslo wrote:Also 7/11's don't even have a pharmacy m8r.
there's a dude out the back named sid with a backpack full of pharmaceuticals |
Valkin Mordirc
351
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:21:40 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I too, can lie about my real life accomplishments.
But I did do something involving outer space and hydraulic pistons this morning. Thank goodness I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express the other night.
You think work with teenagers as an accomplishment?
Did you catch the Hormonal part? Like for the love of god if I have to talk to two more idiots about 'work relationships" and why it's not a good idea to call each other cunts.
Imma stab a *****.
#DeleteTheWeak
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2736
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:22:12 -
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Anslo wrote:La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Aye,
I work a ten hour job. =S Sucks trying to find time to play at points.
Lack of sleep+EVEGroggily trying to work surrounded by hormonal teenages
Or Sleep+ kinda Groggily trying to work surrounded by hormonal teenages. I work 8-9 hour days in pharma bruh, and I'm a CEO. Sup? Come at me. COME @ ME 7/11 does not count as pharma. Are you done evacuating Delve? Also 7/11's don't even have a pharmacy m8r.
Then why are you claiming to work in a pharmacy?
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Anslo
Scope Works
19233
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:23:08 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Anslo wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Aye,
I work a ten hour job. =S Sucks trying to find time to play at points.
Lack of sleep+EVEGroggily trying to work surrounded by hormonal teenages
Or Sleep+ kinda Groggily trying to work surrounded by hormonal teenages. I work 8-9 hour days in pharma bruh, and I'm a CEO. Sup? Come at me. COME @ ME MAn, Ill rec you like I did you mum last nite. ZZZzzzZ1v1 brah, COD4 M16 only. ZZZzzzZZZz **** ye both, i have twins.
My condolences jesus christ.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
10192
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:23:59 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:
You think work with teenagers as an accomplishment?
I used to work for a college. Resisting the urge to kill them in their sleep is an accomplishment, yes.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21000
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:23:59 -
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La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:
Also 7/11's don't even have a pharmacy m8r.
Then why are you claiming to work in a pharmacy? I think UAE answered that, Anslo is Sid 
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Anslo
Scope Works
19233
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:24:49 -
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La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:La Nariz wrote:Anslo wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Aye,
I work a ten hour job. =S Sucks trying to find time to play at points.
Lack of sleep+EVEGroggily trying to work surrounded by hormonal teenages
Or Sleep+ kinda Groggily trying to work surrounded by hormonal teenages. I work 8-9 hour days in pharma bruh, and I'm a CEO. Sup? Come at me. COME @ ME 7/11 does not count as pharma. Are you done evacuating Delve? Also 7/11's don't even have a pharmacy m8r. Then why are you claiming to work in a pharmacy?
In pharma=/=in a pharmacy
It means in the pharma industry, protecting human test subjects and such.
Also Grr Goons, fire sale lol, etc.
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
67
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:27:18 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
if you cant deal with or operate under war dec (which should be an excellent opportunity to teach newbies about war mechanics and ambush avoidance ) then why the hell are you taking newbies in.
if you cant defend them , or enable them to do so themselvs then how are they better off in your corp than in an npc one?
The problem here (im still reading the number of posts) is that even when you try to help newbies....a lot of them get into this miniing kick...meaning the ISK is good.
Alot of them make excuses or flat out refuse to mission, when your trying to teach the importance of having standings for later on.
Alot of them refuse to train up into ships even when you give them and the fits for free to get them started for roaming.
Alot of them even when your being nice and patient get upset at even you when you try to explain what happened and begin to reiterate how to avoid the scam they just lost hundreds of millons on.
Some like to talk your ear off about spreadsheets and re-creating the wheel instead of using the links of tools already used by a majority of the community.
Some argue with you on the ways markets work at the basic levels.
Then you have those....that whine and demand corp tax be 0% when they dont even mission anyway.
Expect you to refine their minerals for free and let them have them despite Corp buy back programs.
Expect the RIG SRP to always be there even when they dont donate salvage, or when offere on a per ship basis they want more than they should get....and asked why simply to see what they are thinking to help them they get uppity when you know the ship they are trying to fit for is not even trained up to sit in yet.
Wardecs.....where to start?
Communications: Alliance, Corp, group chats....and TS. Its important especially if a newb is trying to make friends to be active in these things. Not to mention purposes of safety. Many of them just simply dont log into TS for reasons....and those same never use the chats either till they get killed....and they die because you never really know what they are doing.
AFK/Autopilot: During a Wardec? are you crazy? then you get a mail because it happened for SRP....after the first time you watch them....2nd time you reprimand them....3rd time you cut them off from SRP and suddenly your a monster....DOCK UP but you can only repeat yourself so many times.
Activity Level: Ok you have some newer ones and you have a lot of older ones....a big wardec comes your way...they beg you to let them fight....so you say ok what can you fly....the answer "uhm my barge and a frigate or destroyer" so you pull out fits and post them and eventually you find you can make a slightly effective cheap kitchen sink fleet doctrine. When its go time...they suddenly log into TS, first for some.....and beg you to surreneder, refuse to log in game.....chat in your ear when combat ops are going on.....and eventually your forced to ask "Why do you play this game? Why do you become part of a group but are only a liability? Wouldnt WOW, STO, ESO, Star WARS be more your style?" you cant surrender, it wont be accepted, you have pocos or some other reason a surrender wouldnt work. So you do what i did....you pull the plug on the alliance and kick everyone out and everyone that refused to log in out of your corp as well. They get mad....so what...especially those that have been around for 6 months or more....I kept saying none of us deserve what we have if we are not willing to defend it.
New players coming to EvE....imho only 1 of 10 in most cases is even worth bothering with let alone spending time on. They dont want to play the game many of us have been playing for years....they want to come in with misconcieved premonitions from other games and expect hand outs.....EVE is harsh...you can lose stuff permanently...its like a bike or horse though....if you fall off are you gonna cry? or you gonna get up, dust yourself off, and try again till you master that pony?
IF they cant....then we dont need them. We need the players that want to group up and be active, we need the players that can a beating and keep on ticking....its a frame of mind...do you want to win? well in what category...because Vets can teach you how. EvE is a total pvp game no matter if its PVE content or not....your still competeting against someone. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
10194
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:30:28 -
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Max Deveron wrote:
The problem here (im still reading the number of posts) is that even when you try to help newbies....a lot of them get into this miniing kick...meaning the ISK is good.
The isk is not good. It's just zero effort. Which is what a lot of this generation that has never completed Battletoads seems to think gaming should be like.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2737
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:33:03 -
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Keep on whinging Anslo it will work one of these times.
E: James315 you need to add "has an important RL job to miner bingo."
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Valkin Mordirc
353
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:33:32 -
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Max Deveron wrote:A Wall of Text that is interesting
I feel for you bro. I tried to work with a group of newbies.
Most of them just argued with me and told me I didn't know what I was talking about.
As for the Mining thing. Your right, most people seem to think mining is the easiest way to make money at the start. Which is sad because they do get into a sink, where they think that nothing will ever happen that awesome. Just because they are not shown how epic EVE really can be.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Anslo
Scope Works
19272
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:34:56 -
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La Nariz wrote:Keep on whinging Anslo it will work one of these times.
E: James315 you need to add "has an important RL job to miner bingo."
Nice counter.
Also, everyone can tell you got a nose job. Stop pretending you didn't.
#dunkt
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
67
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:37:27 -
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Marcus Tedric wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: The thing for me is that the way Eve itself is shaped as a game goes against the fundamental moralities we have as a society and in a sense goes against our own humanity itself. And because of that it creates something that works against the ideals we have been brought up with. Its this conflict of natures that turns off so many people to Eve imo, as not everyone can handle having their entire way of being thrown around and turned upside down. The few that can; stay, and the even fewer thrive in that sort of a system.
To me its this disconnect with the world around us that has been the reason that Eves numbers stay so low. As the darkness thats within the human soul is evident in everyday life, media tells us daily of the atrocities committed world wide. We shudder and think how horrible it is even if it hasnt happened directly to us but more importantly we believe that the unjust, evil people will be punished. In Eve there is none of that punishment or justice happening. The game itself is built to allow freely what societies worldwide try to remove from within its ranks.
That is imo what makes Eve what it is and what makes it so unique in the gaming world. Close and connects to my earlier post - there are no (completely insufficient) consequences in EVE. Players play EVE as they would conduct RL, if RL had the same 'sandbox' as EVE. What's particularly wrong with EVE - especially now - is that the Predator v Prey ratio is so skewed. Make EVE a bit more of a simulation and less gamey and more people may wish to play and believe they have a chance - taking the risk because indeed EVE <> RL. More actual players means more potential prey to support the predator population. Goodness, we have to eventually leave this little planet of ours - a space-based game that actually encouraged that interest, in the most realistic way possible, would help the entire human race!  -> EVE2....... EVE would then be the most comprehensive Beta Test ever run. I wonder how many new players would actually be interested if EVE were actually to restart?
I would not want a restart.
Some problems I think can be alleviated if a player changes his perspective.
For Example:
EvE is Sins of the Solar Empire except for a few things......
All those ships, buildings, fighters, minerals, cash.....
In Eve they are the ships, POS, outposts, minerals/rocks, modules, guns, cash, etc etc owned by some player.
Think of EvE in these terms....and you find.......
EvE is a wargame, where do you fit in? Do you have the social skills to create an effective Faction (Corp/alliance) that can vie with others in your race to be on top? If you do....do those under your leadership perform to be something greater than their individual selves? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6016
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:40:11 -
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Max Deveron wrote:a good post
this is why you need to shoot the newbies in the face first , then show them the ways
that initial explosion goes a long way in weeding out those worth your time.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Valkin Mordirc
353
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:42:23 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Max Deveron wrote:a good post this is why you need to shoot the newbies in the face first , then show them the ways that initial explosion goes a long way in weeding out those worth your time.
Asides from me and two other members of my corp, all who happen to be the 'originals', That is how we get members.
Osmosis.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
182
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:43:48 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Max Deveron wrote:a good post this is why you need to shoot the newbies in the face first , then show them the ways that initial explosion goes a long way in weeding out those worth your time.
Because nothing says welcome to Eve like having your ship blow up and going straight into bankruptcy. CCP should probably just abolish rookie systems and make CONCORD not respond to aggression against players under a month old. That would definitely bolster the NPE *eyeroll*. |
Valkin Mordirc
353
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:45:03 -
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broken record wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Max Deveron wrote:a good post this is why you need to shoot the newbies in the face first , then show them the ways that initial explosion goes a long way in weeding out those worth your time. Because nothing says welcome to Eve like having your ship blow up and going straight into bankruptcy. CCP should probably just abolish rookie systems and make CONCORD not respond to aggression against players under a month old. That would definitely bolster the NPE *eyeroll*.
He said it would keep the GOOD players.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
10198
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:49:21 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Max Deveron wrote:a good post this is why you need to shoot the newbies in the face first , then show them the ways that initial explosion goes a long way in weeding out those worth your time. Because nothing says welcome to Eve like having your ship blow up and going straight into bankruptcy. CCP should probably just abolish rookie systems and make CONCORD not respond to aggression against players under a month old. That would definitely bolster the NPE *eyeroll*.
You shoot people to see whether or not they flip out on you when their space pixels explode.
If they do, then they aren't the kind of people you want to hang out with anyway, they are better of quitting o being exiled to an NPC corp with the rest of the rejects from the Island of Misfit Toys. People like that are only good for being destroyed for the amusement of others, like destructible terrain.
It's an excellent means to weed out the bad apples.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
67
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:52:16 -
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UnknownEnemyCombatant wrote:as a new player in eve. 45 days. i have had a very hard time. i have zero isk. and saved to buy a astero, that a person blew up as fast as it took to buy it. i now have no way to make money no ships and a general bad taste in my mouth. so i understand you point.
as it is now ill prob just left my acct unsub since i cant buy anything or do anythin. i dont even have the isk to upgrade my clone, so yes eve was fun for a week. n it just seem like its full of the worst kind of people in the gaming community.
In case your still around....get a cheap ship...go missioning....go mining....read up on those tactics for stealing loot from CODE. ganking freighters....sell that **** and your golden.
Sheesh some give up to easily...and usually because they try to play out of their league....learn to crawl before you try to walk, learn to walk before you run. |
Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
20
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:52:27 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Max Deveron wrote:a good post this is why you need to shoot the newbies in the face first , then show them the ways that initial explosion goes a long way in weeding out those worth your time. Because nothing says welcome to Eve like having your ship blow up and going straight into bankruptcy. CCP should probably just abolish rookie systems and make CONCORD not respond to aggression against players under a month old. That would definitely bolster the NPE *eyeroll*. You shoot people to see whether or not they flip out on you when their space pixels explode. If they do, then they aren't the kind of people you want to hang out with anyway, they are better of quitting o being exiled to an NPC corp with the rest of the rejects from the Island of Misfit Toys. People like that are only good for being destroyed for the amusement of others, like destructible terrain. It's an excellent means to weed out the bad apples.
I never flip out... you think you could use me?
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
20
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:54:07 -
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Max Deveron wrote:UnknownEnemyCombatant wrote:as a new player in eve. 45 days. i have had a very hard time. i have zero isk. and saved to buy a astero, that a person blew up as fast as it took to buy it. i now have no way to make money no ships and a general bad taste in my mouth. so i understand you point.
as it is now ill prob just left my acct unsub since i cant buy anything or do anythin. i dont even have the isk to upgrade my clone, so yes eve was fun for a week. n it just seem like its full of the worst kind of people in the gaming community. In case your still around....get a cheap ship...go missioning....go mining....read up on those tactics for stealing loot from CODE. ganking freighters....sell that **** and your golden. Sheesh some give up to easily...and usually because they try to play out of their league....learn to crawl before you try to walk, learn to walk before you run.
Yes.... try mining first
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Valkin Mordirc
355
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:54:08 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:
I never flip out... you think you could use me?
If your willing to learn, and are not annoying. I'd take you.
However I dont think you would like our playstyle.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
244
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:54:16 -
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Tempted to start asking people I gank if they wanna join my corp and become gankers, and offer them free ships to gank in  |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
10198
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:54:51 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Tempted to start asking people I gank if they wanna join my corp and become gankers, and offer them free ships to gank in
About a third of CODE started out that way.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6017
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:55:16 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Max Deveron wrote:a good post this is why you need to shoot the newbies in the face first , then show them the ways that initial explosion goes a long way in weeding out those worth your time. Because nothing says welcome to Eve like having your ship blow up and going straight into bankruptcy. CCP should probably just abolish rookie systems and make CONCORD not respond to aggression against players under a month old. That would definitely bolster the NPE *eyeroll*.
well if you act like an entitled bellend then yeah, that's all you get.
its something of a litmus test,
display a rational, adjusted attitude = get advice , links to helpful resources, isk to soften the blow(actually profit if cool about it)
sperg threats insults and accusations of a malformed psyche = get slagged mercilessly
sperg threats insults and accusations of a malformed psyche on the forums = get publicly humiliated and possibly wardeced
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Arec Bardwin
1567
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:55:20 -
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Aeon Plex wrote:
Aeon Plex > im comin outside
Kayden Drake > your gonna use the garmur right?
Made my day  I can almost see this basement dwelling individual salivating in anticipation of a free Garmur kill mail...
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Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
21
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:57:43 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:
I never flip out... you think you could use me?
If your willing to learn, and are not annoying. I'd take you. However I dont think you would like our playstyle.
Hehehe... man... ill have you swinging from the rafters in two days flat...
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
69
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:57:59 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:And yet, no one is "lauding" you lol. As I used to tell Dinsdale, so applies to you: The more you post the more people turn against what you want. Therefore, post more, it makes for a better game in the long run  Sure the typical suicide ganking griefers that roam the forums aren't lauding me - I'll survive. Thankfully the real heroes of Eve, the people I meet every day in highsec - the hard working mission runners, the capable incursion runners, the manufacturers, the traders, even the diligent miners, and all the other PvE folks, express support for my positions, and would like to see a more orderly and humane highsec....where suicide ganking is rare, and punishments for it server. Those are the people I care about, not the suicide ganking nullsecers.
I do not support your position...I do not support full out ganking either.
IMO though....ganking is at times very necessaryas the only advent of approach because said target is in an NPC corp.
Wardecs are ncessary for this same reason also.
Doesnt matter if your trying to control a market, create a market....if competition is in your way or seemingly about to threaten you position.....then by any tool necessary if you have the means it is quite acceptable to 100% completely obliterate it. |
Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
21
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Posted - 2014.10.23 17:59:52 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:Aeon Plex wrote:
Aeon Plex > im comin outside
Kayden Drake > your gonna use the garmur right?
Made my day I can almost see this basement dwelling individual salivating in anticipation of a free Garmur kill mail...
Awesome isn't it... if you look really carefully (squint your eyes a bit) you can even see the knife just before it goes in Aeon's back.
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
183
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:00:47 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Max Deveron wrote:a good post this is why you need to shoot the newbies in the face first , then show them the ways that initial explosion goes a long way in weeding out those worth your time. Because nothing says welcome to Eve like having your ship blow up and going straight into bankruptcy. CCP should probably just abolish rookie systems and make CONCORD not respond to aggression against players under a month old. That would definitely bolster the NPE *eyeroll*. well if you act like an entitled bellend then yeah, that's all you get. its something of a litmus test, display a rational, adjusted attitude = get advice , links to helpful resources, isk to soften the blow(actually profit if cool about it) sperg threats insults and accusations of a malformed psyche = get slagged mercilessly sperg threats insults and accusations of a malformed psyche on the forums = get publicly humiliated and possibly wardeced
Oh dear, should I expect a wardecc? I'm terrified. You might find out that it's not always as easy as blowing up week old players in their ventures. Elite PvP and all. |
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