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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.25 19:25:27 -
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Brochan McLeod wrote:Suz1 wrote:I encourage my children to play Eve, so they can learn first hand why they shouldn't trust strangers, in an environment where the consequences for trusting strangers won't really hurt them. I really hope you just made this up... i really do EDIT : Unless they are of a certain age ofcourse... Actually, provided you have the swear filtering for the chat channels set up properly , or better yet, closed completely there's little to expexpose children to, the vast majority of the adult content in eve comes through those channels and private mail so if you monitor their play you can avoid stuff like inappropriate language, jpegs and gifs.
And in answer to your earlier post, no this never ends. this thread crops up consistently I'd say about 2 or 3 times a month, some with more gusto than others but it generally pans out the same, we have the same arguments over the same things and ocasionally someone gets rather worked up about it and rages for pages and pages (not pointing at you, to be fair you cooled off and realised the triviality of it) about how eve is flawed and were all sociopaths for endorsing the predator role (in the only game that's been infamous for years for allowing it) and how they will unsubscribe their eleventytwelvethousand accounts (that they plex) if ccp doesn't ["fix" eve to match their preconceived notions/permaban every one involved/remove PvP in highsec] . we can (and have) recite the whole thing off the top of our heads.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.25 19:27:40 -
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There are many things wrong with EVE but none are mentioned or alluded to in the OP. |
Brochan McLeod
Frigateer
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Posted - 2014.10.25 20:03:05 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Brochan McLeod wrote:Suz1 wrote:I encourage my children to play Eve, so they can learn first hand why they shouldn't trust strangers, in an environment where the consequences for trusting strangers won't really hurt them. I really hope you just made this up... i really do EDIT : Unless they are of a certain age ofcourse... Actually, provided you have the swear filtering for the chat channels set up properly , or better yet, closed completely there's little to expexpose children to, the vast majority of the adult content in eve comes through those channels and private mail so if you monitor their play you can avoid stuff like inappropriate language, jpegs and gifs. And in answer to your earlier post, no this never ends. this thread crops up consistently I'd say about 2 or 3 times a month, some with more gusto than others but it generally pans out the same, we have the same arguments over the same things and ocasionally someone gets rather worked up about it and rages for pages and pages (not pointing at you, to be fair you cooled off and realised the triviality of it ) about how eve is flawed and were all sociopaths for endorsing the predator role (in the only game that's been infamous for years for allowing it) and how they will unsubscribe their eleventytwelvethousand accounts (that they plex) if ccp doesn't ["fix" eve to match their preconceived notions/permaban every one involved/remove PvP in highsec] . we can ( and have) recite the whole thing off the top of our heads.
To be fair i actually introduced my daughter to World of Warcraft some years ago. I was over it like a hawk ofcourse but it astounded me how easily (and without any knowledge of the English language) she picked up a friend to play with (who, turned out was also monitored by a parent ... dumb coincidence ofc. but still :) )
To come back to the issue at hand... its not really an issue anymore for me i'd say.
I am still convinced there's a bunch of lowlife's in this game but thats true for any other game out there. Im not a great fan of tear-pulling either... i find it rather hurtful and childish behavior. But thats my personal view on it... im a bit of a worrior on such matters IRL as well, so there.
I did come away with a different point of view though (always wanted to say that...here's to you Johnny ) i am now setting up a character to PvP with. Im going to try out Solo Factional Warfare as im useless in groups. (appearantly its possible)
Studying it as we speak (im not much for jumping in and need to read about it first, its half the fun for me. )
So here goes...
Even the nicest person's patience has a limit!
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Caldari Citizen 20120308
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.25 20:14:51 -
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floating damage ticks would be cool instead of plain text on the screen. |
Terminator Cindy
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.25 20:54:36 -
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Aeon Plex wrote:We fly to planet 1, and they ask if they can test the range on their fit, and I'm happy to oblige. They ask me to stop orbiting them so they can check range, and so I do, and then they fly to 0, and kill my Garmur without hesitation, then blink off the conversation we had been having for about an hour.
Like the school bullies ( which is what most of those sissies are in real life ), they do that because they don't have the balls for 1v1 in true equal combat mode. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2787
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Posted - 2014.10.25 20:59:55 -
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Terminator Cindy wrote:Aeon Plex wrote:We fly to planet 1, and they ask if they can test the range on their fit, and I'm happy to oblige. They ask me to stop orbiting them so they can check range, and so I do, and then they fly to 0, and kill my Garmur without hesitation, then blink off the conversation we had been having for about an hour. Like the school bullies ( which is what most of those sissies are in real life ), they do that because they don't have the balls for 1v1 in true equal combat mode.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.25 21:04:09 -
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Terminator Cindy wrote:Aeon Plex wrote:We fly to planet 1, and they ask if they can test the range on their fit, and I'm happy to oblige. They ask me to stop orbiting them so they can check range, and so I do, and then they fly to 0, and kill my Garmur without hesitation, then blink off the conversation we had been having for about an hour. Like the school bullies ( which is what most of those sissies are in real life ), they do that because they don't have the balls for 1v1 in true equal combat mode. Yeah, but no.
OP trusted someone they didn't know, in a game where trust is more valuable than isk, kinda dumb tbh.
As for your comment about bullies, you're assuming that what someone does in a virtual world, one with very different rules from those found in the real world, is an accurate reflection of what they're like in real life. That says more about you than it does about them, and that's not a compliment.
TL:DR You're talking out of your arse about people you don't know.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6128
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Posted - 2014.10.25 21:26:38 -
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What has the world come to. back in my day you could trust strangers on the internet.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.10.25 21:28:21 -
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It's less about e-bushido and more about the fact that people who play a game with the sole purpose of wanting to ruin someone else's game experience is doing it for very personal reasons. Most of these people are indeed probably either sociopaths or have been abused and take it out on other people in the way that wont get them banned, griefing in a game which has no anti-griefing policies apart from newbie space, which is only one system. Once you're out of there, you can get griefed til the cows come home.
I bet you anything that if a corp of gankers sat outside newbie systems on gates and ganked THOSE people, even though they're carefully avoiding the rules, CCP would ban them, because a 15 day trial that cant get invested enough with "foot in the door" to buy at least one month of Eve Online means worse sales for CCP.
It's totally within the current rules to camp and gank newbies outside of their newbie systems, yet I doubt anyone doing a concerted effort of that would last long.
I mean, I really would like to point out this system flaw. How is it griefing if you do it to newbies in the starter systems, yet not griefing if you do it somewhere else? There's no logic to that. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.25 21:40:44 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:It's less about e-bushido and more about the fact that people who play a game with the sole purpose of wanting to ruin someone else's game experience is doing it for very personal reasons. Eve is a competitive PvP game, in order for someone to win, somebody else must lose.
Quote:Most of these people are indeed probably either sociopaths or have been abused and take it out on other people in the way that wont get them banned Projection, you're doing it. Eve is a role playing game, it's fairly reasonable to assume that the people you consider to be sociopaths or child abuse victims are actually just playing the villain in a game where playing the villain is explicitly allowed.
Quote: griefing in a game which has no anti-griefing policies apart from newbie space, which is only one system. Once you're out of there, you can get griefed til the cows come home.[ Griefing is defined by CCP, not you. and FYI there's a total of 25 solar systems where it is forbidden, on pain of a ban, to mess with newbies, not 1.
Quote:I bet you anything that if a corp of gankers sat outside newbie systems on gates and ganked THOSE people, even though they're carefully avoiding the rules, CCP would ban them, because a 15 day trial that cant get invested enough with "foot in the door" to buy at least one month of Eve Online means worse sales for CCP.
It's totally within the current rules to camp and gank newbies outside of their newbie systems, yet I doubt anyone doing a concerted effort of that would last long. I'll take that bet.
Quote:I mean, I really would like to point out this system flaw. How is it griefing if you do it to newbies in the starter systems, yet not griefing if you do it somewhere else? There's no logic to that. It falls under taking advantage of a newbies lack of game knowledge, and is only applicable in newbie systems
Attempting to abuse a new playerGÇÖs lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems. This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players into situations where you or others may open fire on them freely or scamming ISK or assets from them. Source
It's CCP's game, they define griefing and what they say goes. If you think that there's a flaw in their logic I suggest you hit F12 and raise a ticket.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
4107
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Posted - 2014.10.25 21:42:09 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:It's less about e-bushido and more about the fact that people who play a game with the sole purpose of wanting to ruin someone else's game experience is doing it for very personal reasons. Most of these people are indeed probably either sociopaths or have been abused and take it out on other people something smells like farts
could it be that someone in the thread is talking out of their arse
13kr1d1 wrote:I bet you anything that if a corp of gankers sat outside newbie systems on gates and ganked THOSE people, even though they're carefully avoiding the rules, CCP would ban them, because a 15 day trial that cant get invested enough with "foot in the door" to buy at least one month of Eve Online means worse sales for CCP.
It's totally within the current rules to camp and gank newbies outside of their newbie systems, yet I doubt anyone doing a concerted effort of that would last long.
I mean, I really would like to point out this system flaw. How is it griefing if you do it to newbies in the starter systems, yet not griefing if you do it somewhere else? There's no logic to that. it's pretty well-known that the gm guideline is 'don't **** with rookies' |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
4107
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Posted - 2014.10.25 21:46:24 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Eve comes at the PRICE of spending lots of time in order to have that one moment of "eve super mario brothers". If that wasn't true, the people in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=380238 would never have become so pissy over my claims and suggestions. These same pissy people are the ones also claiming no emotional investment here in this thread. That's epic comedy to me. the thread in which you complain that people won't pay you isk to do trivial tasks they can do themselves, lay the blame on an unrelated mechanic, demand ccp do something to make up for your failings and rant about ~economy~
that's the thread we're linking here |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10257
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Posted - 2014.10.25 21:51:26 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:It's less about e-bushido and more about the fact that people who play a game with the sole purpose of wanting to ruin someone else's game experience is doing it for very personal reasons.
That, or it's part and parcel of the game.
Pretty sure there's a dev quote floating out there somewhere to that effect. About how having your day ruined by random people is the "cornerstone" of EVE Online.
Now, that kind of thing makes me question the sincerity of anyone who comes into this game with the wrong expectations. I question the motives of people who act like this somehow isn't a thing.
They're either so self deluded that they should enter politics, or they have an ulterior motive.
I take issue with both.
Quote: Most of these people are indeed probably either sociopaths or have been abused and take it out on other people in the way that wont get them banned
Because enjoying non consensual PvP is something only someone who has "been abused" would do, right?
You want to know why I play the way I do? Because of slanderous, maladjusted freaks like you.
There is something wrong with you. Not with anyone who plays games by the rules. There is something direly wrong with the people who want the rules changed to cater to their skewed worldview, to try and legislate their mealthy mouthed excuse for morality in a video game, to try and thought police everyone around them.
Quote: griefing in a game which has no anti-griefing policies apart from newbie space, which is only one system.
Ah, the delights of the brutally ignorant.
No, newbie space is not "one system". If you bothered to look before spouting off, you'd find that it's a fair bit more than that.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
650
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Posted - 2014.10.25 22:19:21 -
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Suz1 wrote:I encourage my children to play Eve, so they can learn first hand why they shouldn't trust strangers, in an environment where the consequences for trusting strangers won't really hurt them. you are a twisted parent Suz. lol
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6133
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Posted - 2014.10.25 22:42:42 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:or have been abused one fair warning. say that again and you will have a petition.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.10.25 22:44:12 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:13kr1d1 wrote:It's less about e-bushido and more about the fact that people who play a game with the sole purpose of wanting to ruin someone else's game experience is doing it for very personal reasons. Eve is a competitive PvP game, in order for someone to win, somebody else must lose.
What's competitive about ganking highsec miners who make less isk than you in a whole day than you ratting for one hour a day? Logic, please use. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10257
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Posted - 2014.10.25 22:51:44 -
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13kr1d1 wrote: What's competitive about ganking highsec miners who make less isk than you in a whole day than you ratting for one hour a day? Logic, please use.
You do realize the game has a destruction based economy, right? The people who make and sell those barges would never make any money without ganking, those things barely ever die any other way.
In an immersive economy like EVE, damn near everything is competitive in some way.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2791
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Posted - 2014.10.25 22:54:20 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:13kr1d1 wrote:It's less about e-bushido and more about the fact that people who play a game with the sole purpose of wanting to ruin someone else's game experience is doing it for very personal reasons. Eve is a competitive PvP game, in order for someone to win, somebody else must lose. What's competitive about ganking highsec miners who make less isk than you in a whole day than you ratting for one hour a day? Logic, please use. Ralph King-Griffin wrote:13kr1d1 wrote:or have been abused one fair warning. say that again and you will have a petition. I work with people who've been abused. I know the signs. I'm sorry if that happened to you which is why this upset you. But our past doesn't excuse our behavior.
You could, I don't know, keep everything in-game that is already in-game instead of trying to connect in-game to out-of-the-game.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.25 22:54:52 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:13kr1d1 wrote:It's less about e-bushido and more about the fact that people who play a game with the sole purpose of wanting to ruin someone else's game experience is doing it for very personal reasons. Eve is a competitive PvP game, in order for someone to win, somebody else must lose. What's competitive about ganking highsec miners who make less isk than you in a whole day than you ratting for one hour a day? Logic, please use. I mine, because I mine in a ship that is fairly hard to gank and I actually tank it, I am somewhat less efficient than a max yield Retriever or Mackinaw in the short term, but I don't have to replace my ship regularly. When other miners in the same belt/system get ganked because they are flying max yield fits and are rather easy to kill, there's less competition for the available ores, which means more is available to me, and I'm unlikely to get ganked because of my choice of mining ship; ergo I make more money than they do in the long term.
I also sell mining ships and modules, if miners get ganked in the systems I sell them in there's a good chance they'll buy their replacements from me.
The picture is bigger than you imagine, logic try using it.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.10.25 22:55:15 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:13kr1d1 wrote:It's less about e-bushido and more about the fact that people who play a game with the sole purpose of wanting to ruin someone else's game experience is doing it for very personal reasons. Most of these people are indeed probably either sociopaths or have been abused and take it out on other people something smells like farts could it be that someone in the thread is talking out of their arse 13kr1d1 wrote:I bet you anything that if a corp of gankers sat outside newbie systems on gates and ganked THOSE people, even though they're carefully avoiding the rules, CCP would ban them, because a 15 day trial that cant get invested enough with "foot in the door" to buy at least one month of Eve Online means worse sales for CCP.
It's totally within the current rules to camp and gank newbies outside of their newbie systems, yet I doubt anyone doing a concerted effort of that would last long.
I mean, I really would like to point out this system flaw. How is it griefing if you do it to newbies in the starter systems, yet not griefing if you do it somewhere else? There's no logic to that. it's pretty well-known that the gm guideline is 'don't **** with rookies'
And yet, people trick "rookies" all the time with can bait and all other sorts of things outside those same systems that are "off limits". |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.10.25 22:55:46 -
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Leave it to a carebear to bring such an awful topic into the discussion.
And we're supposed to be the sickos.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.10.25 22:57:15 -
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La Nariz wrote: You could, I don't know, keep everything in-game that is already in-game instead of trying to connect in-game to out-of-the-game.
There is no "in game" without "out of game".
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Leave it to a carebear to bring such an awful topic into the discussion.
And we're supposed to be the sickos.
That's called a strawman. If you're "one of the sickos" and you're trying this, it's really not different than blame shifting. Sling mud on someone else to make them look dirty. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.10.25 22:58:34 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:La Nariz wrote: You could, I don't know, keep everything in-game that is already in-game instead of trying to connect in-game to out-of-the-game.
There is no "in game" without "out of game". There is if you can tell the difference between fantasy and reality
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.10.25 23:00:53 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:13kr1d1 wrote:La Nariz wrote: You could, I don't know, keep everything in-game that is already in-game instead of trying to connect in-game to out-of-the-game.
There is no "in game" without "out of game". There is if you can tell the difference between fantasy and reality
Let me rephrase that, in game doesn't exist without out of game. The person, their desires, and CCP's resources. You can't divorce the game from reality because there's an inherent connection between it. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10257
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Posted - 2014.10.25 23:02:33 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Leave it to a carebear to bring such an awful topic into the discussion.
And we're supposed to be the sickos. That's called a strawman. If you're "one of the sickos" and you're trying this, it's really not different than blame shifting. Sling mud on someone else to make them look dirty.
Yeah, actually, it is called a strawman. That's why carebears like you are so eager to spew such vile things. To put up a smokescreen around your own abberant behavior, and divert attention away from what sick fucks you all are.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2014.10.25 23:04:41 -
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You're attempting to call other people vile to try to ad hom invalidate their arguments. That's not a valid way of discussing the issue. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10257
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Posted - 2014.10.25 23:06:07 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:You're attempting to call other people vile to try to ad hom invalidate their arguments. That's not a valid way of discussing the issue.
Coming from you, after some of the **** you said, that's pretty funny.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21092
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Posted - 2014.10.25 23:07:57 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:And yet, people trick "rookies" all the time with can bait and all other sorts of things outside those same systems that are "off limits". Speaking of tricking newbies, aren't you the scumbag who wanted to rip newbies off by paying them 60%ish of the going rate for their ore?
You're a despicable hypocrite.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
4115
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Posted - 2014.10.25 23:09:14 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:And yet, people trick "rookies" all the time with can bait and all other sorts of things outside those same systems that are "off limits". what are the quotes indicating here are we doubting the existence of rookies
gamemasters protect rookies from the harsher parts of eve while they're doing the tutorials and learn to control their spaceship. once that's done, they're on their own |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
4115
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Posted - 2014.10.25 23:11:17 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:You're attempting to call other people vile to try to ad hom invalidate their arguments. That's not a valid way of discussing the issue. what "argument"? you accused people of acting a villain in a videogame (specifically designed to allow such acting) due to real life mental problems |
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