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Kerushi
Caldari
JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:29:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Kitty O'Shay
What's the current status of Kal's liquidation? Haven't see him post since the vid came out. Was he a Dentara alt too?
don`t trust an alt, that point was just proven?
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:36:00 -
[32]
After all this, somehow I find it slighly annoying that he so loudly claims 'I won Eve', when it should just be 'I beat the fools'.
Next we just need some trustable folks to make an audit to certify how much he really scammed..
-Lasse
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:40:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 02:44:03
The next question is... is Kal a Dentara alt too? 
/had this suspicion in the back of my mind for a while, and for that reason never bought any EIBI shares, ever, regardless of what I said on the forums.
If Kal is a Dentara alt... zero payback for "investors"
If Kal isn't a Dentara alt, well, maybe you people will get your cash back. But fortunately, I don't have to worry about that... I only fell for one scam, and none since
P.S. One thing a lot of forumgoers missed in the "drama" is the fact that a number of people were attempting to do RL confirmation of all details given by "Cally" and "Cally"'s associates. Unfortunately, as far as I know, zero confirmation was found, both through mine and others' efforts. This is the prime reason why I did not ever throw out the suspicion of Cally having some sort of evil intentions.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Mung Lore
Supero Omnia
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:43:00 -
[34]
I can't beleave you ask that DS watch the video again he says he was. he even said he was in the forums, while posting "under pete".
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Kerushi
Caldari
JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:44:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Kerushi on 20/08/2006 02:45:04
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 02:42:29
The next question is... is Kal a Dentara alt too?
/had this suspicion in the back of my mind for a while, and for that reason never bought any EIBI shares, ever, regardless of what I said on the forums.
If Kal is a Dentara alt... zero payback for "investors"
If Kal isn't a Dentara alt, well, maybe you people will get your cash back. But fortunately, I don't have to worry about that... I only fell for one scam, and none since
the funny thing is that he said that he would be back, the kal alt keeping eib alive, doing the same crap, he could pull it off once more heh
edit, if u can`t trust alts, who ca... nm...
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Dagam
Dagam Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:44:00 -
[36]
The evidence was there the whole time. Personally I was surprised Dark Shikari defended EIB for as long as he did.
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Sir Juri
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:45:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The next question is... is Kal a Dentara alt too?
/had this suspicion in the back of my mind for a while, and for that reason never bought any EIBI shares, ever.
you never bought any but still supported and spoke for cally's behalf? you still stand by napthalia and EMFI and their audit and that they are trustworthy to? btw you still offer condolences to cally's family about his so called overdose?
damn need to make a new sig... |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:46:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 02:49:52
Originally by: Dagam
The evidence was there the whole time. Personally I was surprised Dark Shikari defended EIB for as long as he did.
I don't think its fair to call "scam" unless the probability of a scam is 100%.
Until one calls "scam", it is important to look at every possibility.
Also, I had a GREAT deal of information about what was going on, however I could not tell anyone due to certain non-disclosure agreements with certain parties. If I suddenly called scam and said "OMG SEE LOOK AT THIS INFO ITS A SCAM" it would be violating those agreements.
So I continued beating down the alts and Currin, while continuing to avoid investing a cent in the EIB
Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The next question is... is Kal a Dentara alt too?
/had this suspicion in the back of my mind for a while, and for that reason never bought any EIBI shares, ever.
you never bought any but still supported and spoke for cally's behalf? you still stand by napthalia and EMFI and their audit and that they are trustworthy to? btw you still offer condolences to cally's family about his so called overdose?
I edited my post to add condolences because otherwise the mod would have deleted it.
And if you paid attention, you'd know that EMFI was highly suspicious of the results of his audit, and did not trust every bit of information given to him.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Kenz Rider
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:49:00 -
[39]
DS is out for DS. Just remember that.
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Dagam
Dagam Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:51:00 -
[40]
On the other hand I don't think it's fair to support EIB when you suspect otherwise. I was almost certain EIB was a scam since back in early July when I came across the hubbub in this forum, but were I to point it out I would have been shouted down by you and so many of Cally's forum warriors. From what I saw you didn't just withhold judgment about it being a scam, you stifled logical, reasonable discussion to that effect.
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Sir Juri
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:51:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Sir Juri on 20/08/2006 02:51:19
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 02:46:08
Originally by: Dagam
The evidence was there the whole time. Personally I was surprised Dark Shikari defended EIB for as long as he did.
I don't think its fair to call "scam" unless the probability of a scam is 100%.
Until one calls "scam", it is important to look at every possibility.
Also, I had a GREAT deal of information about what was going on, however I could not tell anyone due to certain non-disclosure agreements with certain parties. If I suddenly called scam and said "OMG SEE LOOK AT THIS INFO ITS A SCAM" it would be violating those agreements.
So I continued beating down the alts and Currin, while continuing to avoid investing a cent in the EIB
Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The next question is... is Kal a Dentara alt too?
/had this suspicion in the back of my mind for a while, and for that reason never bought any EIBI shares, ever.
you never bought any but still supported and spoke for cally's behalf? you still stand by napthalia and EMFI and their audit and that they are trustworthy to? btw you still offer condolences to cally's family about his so called overdose?
I edited my post to add condolences because otherwise the mod would have deleted it.
yeah the mod removed mine but you didnt edit something out that questioned his death tho, oh well atleast he admited it now instead of letting everyone think he "died" and then still play the game with all his "loot"! with ppl like you saying, "respect cally he died m'key?" 
damn need to make a new sig... |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:51:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Kenz Rider
DS is out for DS. Just remember that.
Well, more importantly:
My honor/trust > everything else.
While we're at it, here's a screenie of UEMA wallet withdrawals: Linkage
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:52:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Sir Juri
yeah the mod removed mine but you didnt edit something out that questioned his death tho, oh well atleast he admited it now instead of letting everyone think he "died" and then still play the game with all his "loot"!
I did not believe the "death" for a second. The instant I saw that post, I knew one of two things:
1. It was an alt post and was totally non-authentic.
2. If it was "true" misinformation (i.e. from Cally's "associates"), the EIB charade was over.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Kenz Rider
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:53:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Dagam
On the other hand I don't think it's fair to support EIB when you suspect otherwise. I was almost certain EIB was a scam since back in early July when I came across the hubbub in this forum, but were I to point it out I would have been shouted down by you and so many of Cally's forum warriors. From what I saw you didn't just withhold judgment about it being a scam, you stifled logical, reasonable discussion to that effect.
Exactly.
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Sir Juri
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:54:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kenz Rider
DS is out for DS. Just remember that.
Well, more importantly:
My honor/trust > everything else.
While we're at it, here's a screenie of UEMA wallet withdrawals: Linkage
both you and omber needs to never ever speak on behalf of IPO's, especially when you had suspicions but didnt act upon them even if you couldnt loose any ISK but cant break a "deal" in a game about auditing by someone like napthalia/emfi who cant do audits and is most likely in on it, and got a piece of the scam 
damn need to make a new sig... |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:54:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Dagam
On the other hand I don't think it's fair to support EIB when you suspect otherwise. I was almost certain EIB was a scam since back in early July when I came across the hubbub in this forum, but were I to point it out I would have been shouted down by you and so many of Cally's forum warriors. From what I saw you didn't just withhold judgment about it being a scam, you stifled logical, reasonable discussion to that effect.
I actually put in a lot of good discussion on EIB's trustworthiness, evaluating various possibilities.
What I did "stifle" were alt posts and yells of "OMG EIB IS A SCAM" without any reasoning, mainly.
Perhaps I did hurt others at the expense of my happy "zero ISK in EIB" self... though I did never suggest investing in the EIB. I have noted many times that I thought the risk of the EIB was not worth it.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Kerushi
Caldari
JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:55:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
So I continued beating down the alts and Currin, while continuing to avoid investing a cent in the EIB
but alts ran and still running the bank
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:56:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 02:56:47
Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kenz Rider
DS is out for DS. Just remember that.
Well, more importantly:
My honor/trust > everything else.
While we're at it, here's a screenie of UEMA wallet withdrawals: Linkage
both you and omber needs to never ever speak on behalf of IPO's, especially when you had suspicions but didnt act upon them even if you couldnt loose any ISK but cant break a "deal" in a game about auditing by someone like napthalia/emfi who cant do audits and is most likely in on it, and got a piece of the scam
How do you expect EMFI to do an audit when Cally is purposefully trying to stop him to perpetuate his scam?
Perhaps I need a disclaimer in my sig. "THESE POSTS ARE NOT A GUARANTEE OF ANY SORT OF RETURNS AT ALL, AND YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE THEM AS PROFESSIONAL INVESTMENT ADVICE"
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:57:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Until one calls "scam", it is important to look at every possibility .. I had a GREAT deal of information .. non-disclosure agreements
I find this somewhat sad :(
To me it seems you are hinting that you had strong suspicion of the scam, yet in the forums you kept posting comments indicating otherwise (like "If it was a scam, the money would already be gone" and many many others).
If you were trusted private information, shouldn't you rather have stayed quiet, rather than speaking for one side?
Anyone who lost significant amounts of ISK, care to step forward and tell about it (with main, alts are worthless for this purpose)? Did the defensive opinions of forum figures, like Dark Shikari, affect your decisions?
-Lasse
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Kristin Bergljot
Minmatar
Marcionite Trading and Reclamation
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:59:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
My honor/trust > everything else.
And you have none since you lied to everyone else on the forums and enabled Dentara to get away with his scam.
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Sir Juri
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.08.20 02:59:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Kerushi
Originally by: Dark Shikari
So I continued beating down the alts and Currin, while continuing to avoid investing a cent in the EIB
but alts ran and still running the bank
DS is just trying to save face me thinks anyway
damn need to make a new sig... |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.20 03:00:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Heikki
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Until one calls "scam", it is important to look at every possibility .. I had a GREAT deal of information .. non-disclosure agreements
I find this somewhat sad :(
To me it seems you are hinting that you had strong suspicion of the scam, yet in the forums you kept posting comments indicating otherwise (like "If it was a scam, the money would already be gone" and many many others).
If you were trusted private information, shouldn't you rather have stayed quiet, rather than speaking for one side?
Anyone who lost significant amounts of ISK, care to step forward and tell about it (with main, alts are worthless for this purpose)? Did the defensive opinions of forum figures, like Dark Shikari, affect your decisions?
-Lasse
In many ways I was duped by the scam: the odds in my mind of EIB/EIBI being a scam were lower than they should have been.
To be exact, they were above what my threshold would be for investing, but below what my threshold would be for yelling "scam!!"
Or in other words, I have a very high threshold for investing in things: I would have to highly trust a company to invest a lot in it nowadays, while others have less of a threshold.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.20 03:00:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 03:02:12
Originally by: Kristin Bergljot
Originally by: Dark Shikari
My honor/trust > everything else.
And you have none since you lied to everyone else on the forums and enabled Dentara to get away with his scam.
Lied?
Unfortunately, I told the truth.
I thought there was a high chance of EIB not being a scam. Turned out it was.
You fools will spin this every way you want, but it comes down to this quite simply: I didn't think the chance of EIB being a scam was that high. I was wrong.
My posts come with no guarantee of being right. I have no better information than those of the best informed players out there (EMFI Manager/Naphtalia) and yet I'm still often wrong.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Lala Ru
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Posted - 2006.08.20 03:00:00 -
[54]
Heh. Dark Shikari has constantly been saying "it's not a scam" when he has strong suspicions it was a scam. Oh well, no tearful apoligies then or drawing of Japanese suicide swords.
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Sir Juri
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.08.20 03:02:00 -
[55]
How do you expect EMFI to do an audit when Cally is purposefully trying to stop him to perpetuate his scam?
Perhaps I need a disclaimer in my sig. "THESE POSTS ARE NOT A GUARANTEE OF ANY SORT OF RETURNS AT ALL, AND YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE THEM AS PROFESSIONAL INVESTMENT ADVICE"
Well if you make an audit and aint allowed to get access to everything then you have to come to the conclusion that the audit wasnt succesfull then ask yourself why and then understand its because its a scam. ITS THAT EASY! and that audit sucked and you still stood by him and so did EMFI, who I suspect was in on it at the end. And one cant trust their stuff either.
damn need to make a new sig... |
Sir Juri
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.08.20 03:04:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 03:02:12
Originally by: Kristin Bergljot
Originally by: Dark Shikari
My honor/trust > everything else.
And you have none since you lied to everyone else on the forums and enabled Dentara to get away with his scam.
Lied?
Unfortunately, I told the truth.
I thought there was a high chance of EIB not being a scam. Turned out it was.
You fools will spin this every way you want, but it comes down to this quite simply: I didn't think the chance of EIB being a scam was that high. I was wrong.
My posts come with no guarantee of being right. I have no better information than those of the best informed players out there (EMFI Manager/Naphtalia) and yet I'm still often wrong.
nah your just trying to save face thats all. I can understand that, but after everything you said then about EIB and EMFI you cant save face.
damn need to make a new sig... |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.20 03:04:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 03:04:55
Originally by: Sir Juri
Well if you make an audit and aint allowed to get access to everything then you have to come to the conclusion that the audit wasnt succesfull then ask yourself why and then understand its because its a scam. ITS THAT EASY! and that audit sucked and you still stood by him and so did EMFI, who I suspect was in on it at the end. And one cant trust their stuff either.
When did we "stand by him"?
I have never stated that EIB was most certainly not a scam.
I have stated that EIB might be a scam, but probably isn't.
I was wrong, but I have never ruled out the possibility.
EMFI will probably say the same.
You seem bitter, did you completely ignore my statements of suspicion and buy shares on my supposed "advice"?
--[23] Member--
Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Sir Juri
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.08.20 03:12:00 -
[58]
Crazy give it up, post with your main!
damn need to make a new sig... |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.20 03:17:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 03:18:52
Originally by: Currin Trading
Since Cally has confessed the EIB was a scam, I think it would be appropriate for all of us to tie up loose ends so that everyone can get on with the business of Eve.
Certain individuals on this forum spent the last month and a half repeatedly explaining that the EIB was a scam. Other individuals continually professed Cally's innocence and the legitimacy of the EIB whilst attacking those who were trying to save their isk from the scam.
Perhaps some reconciliation could take place between these two groups? 
By the way, I do have a comment for you Currin, and I hope you read this.
You aggressively, often trollishly attacked the EIB whenever you could, to the point where nobody believed you anymore. But you never gave up. You saw the warning signs, as did many, early on. You refused to see any possibility of EIB not being a scam. But in the end, you took a gamble, and you were right: you bet on EIB being a scam, and it was.
In a way, it was a coin flip. At least at the start, not enough evidence pointed towards EIB being a scam for a decision to be made for sure. By the end, it was certain that whatever had happened, Cally had lied somewhere, if not everywhere. And you were right.
The biggest thing you did that caused people to ignore you was your own scam. Few people trusted a scammer for anything, let alone statements on a large corporation in EVE. You would most likely have been more successful if you used an alt. Better yet, an alt that had a portrait, and thus wasn't an obvious alt. If you want to do something like this in the future, I strongly suggest such a course of action.
Now back to the point. It is still an open question whether your actions started the cascade that led to the EIB's demise, or whether they simply happened to be at the same time. I would bet the latter, as I doubt your statements really did cause a run on the bank. But if there was a run on the bank, the actions Cally/Dentara took to delay were not a surprise.
In conclusion, I congratulate you. You guessed, but you guessed right. You trolled, and you made mistakes, but in the end, he who is right wins. You continued trolling your message even when your points were debunked, because in the end, you were right; while with the information we had, it was possible that the EIB wasn't a scam, it was also quite possible it was. And by notifying people of that fact, you probably lessened the damage.
Good show, Currin, good show. The show is over, but you've won the Oscar. Me? I just got Best Supporting Actor.
Dentara, of course, receives Best Director and Best Picture.
P.S. Sir Juri, stop being an arse. Even you're smart enough to know that I never endorsed EIB.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Sir Juri
Caldari
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.08.20 03:21:00 -
[60]
Dark dosnt matter how much you debate it, some were right some like you were wrong. Fact is currin was a troll but you were practically a blind friend of cally. You both were the other extremes, you swallowed it all (even if you deny it) and currin couldnt even play with the idea that their is legit ppl out their.
But I have to give the point to currin me and others that saw this for the scam it was. Now atleast tell me you dont trust EMFI to 110% to?
damn need to make a new sig... |
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