Originally by: Lala Ru

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This does raise some interesting questions. For all those who vouched for EIB, what of them? Will they forever be suspected of being accomplices? ARE they accomplices? Will they throw themselves upon ceremonial suicide swords and empty their wallets to help reimburse those who lost money?

Something like this actually happened to my maternal grandfater. He was part of running a bank that tured out to be a scam. He didn't know about it, so he could have gotten off scott free. However, many people who were his friends and fellow soldiers had put their money in the bank because of him, so he emptied his own wallet in order to reimburse as many people as he could. And thus the story on why our family is a poor one in America, instead of a rich one back in Taiwan.

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Originally by: Dentara Rast

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It wasnt going to be a scam until all that heat came....
which incidently your started...

Thanks anyways Currin, you helped me make the decision.

And just a correction on my part. EIB was not the scam. I scammed the EIB and the public. Im just a pirate at heart

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Originally by: Dentara Rast

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The only person involved was me. 1 Person. And that one character I used was Cally.


Not one person who supported the EIB, worked for the EIB, or was involved in anyway with the EIB was aware of my intentions.

I fooled everyone.

I win EVE.


This is why

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Originally by: Lala Ru

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With all due respect, but I'm sure you can understand why we would have difficulty beleiving anything you say at this moment.

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Originally by: Ras Blumin

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It's funny you say that, as that is exactly what everyone said to CT after his scam.

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Originally by: Mung Lore

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Originally by: Dentara Rast

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The only person involved was me. 1 Person. And that one character I used was Cally.


Not one person who supported the EIB, worked for the EIB, or was involved in anyway with the EIB was aware of my intentions.

I fooled everyone.

I win EVE.


This is why

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thats like saying you won a race in the special olympics, you were retard before you won and your retard after you won.

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Originally by: Ras Blumin

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A shame you had to end it with extremely bad taste and attention whoring. It could've been classy or stylish, but it wasn't meant to be

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Originally by: Lala Ru

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Scary thought:Supposedly Cally's phone number is actually real. What if someone with a bit too much monet and an axe to grind gives the phone number to a private investigator? I know that if you type and American phone number into google, it'll spit out the RL address. Don't know about British numbers though. . .

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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British numbers even more so, which makes one think that the ones that DO KNOW the phone number are INFACT in on it. Cause otherwise it might be too risky ****ing off all of the investors and leaving an adress behind. dont buy into the **** by napthalia and emfi and others, wake up!

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Originally by: Lala Ru

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This is a game, not something to lose your life over.

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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay

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Originally by: Lala Ru

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This is a game, not something to lose your life over.

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No, you just fake your death right before unveiling your master plan.

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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Originally by: Lala Ru

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This does raise some interesting questions. For all those who vouched for EIB, what of them? Will they forever be suspected of being accomplices? ARE they accomplices? Will they throw themselves upon ceremonial suicide swords and empty their wallets to help reimburse those who lost money?

Something like this actually happened to my maternal grandfater. He was part of running a bank that tured out to be a scam. He didn't know about it, so he could have gotten off scott free. However, many people who were his friends and fellow soldiers had put their money in the bank because of him, so he emptied his own wallet in order to reimburse as many people as he could. And thus the story on why our family is a poor one in America, instead of a rich one back in Taiwan.

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well as napthalia emfi and dark shikari guaranteed its not a scam just like omber and other fools, I think they should be suspected tbh. Or atleast they should be ignored in the future in things conserning this.

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Originally by: Crazy Bugger

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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Originally by: Lala Ru

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This does raise some interesting questions. For all those who vouched for EIB, what of them? Will they forever be suspected of being accomplices? ARE they accomplices? Will they throw themselves upon ceremonial suicide swords and empty their wallets to help reimburse those who lost money?

Something like this actually happened to my maternal grandfater. He was part of running a bank that tured out to be a scam. He didn't know about it, so he could have gotten off scott free. However, many people who were his friends and fellow soldiers had put their money in the bank because of him, so he emptied his own wallet in order to reimburse as many people as he could. And thus the story on why our family is a poor one in America, instead of a rich one back in Taiwan.

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well as napthalia emfi and dark shikari guaranteed its not a scam just like omber and other fools, I think they should be suspected tbh. Or atleast they should be ignored in the future in things conserning this.

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They never guarranteed it was not a scam. I don't believe a single person guaranteed it, not even me. In regards to the audio file, I have nothing to say.... Using people and their reputations to perpetuate your scam (while it is within the EULA) is disgusting, and faking your own death in this way just adds to the sour taste I have in my mouth.

For the record, I am glad you have come forward with this so we finally have some closure on this bloody drama series.

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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay

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What's the current status of Kal's liquidation? Haven't see him post since the vid came out. Was he a Dentara alt too?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 02:42:29
The next question is... is Kal a Dentara alt too?

/had this suspicion in the back of my mind for a while, and for that reason never bought any EIBI shares, ever, regardless of what I said on the forums.

If Kal is a Dentara alt... zero payback for "investors"

If Kal isn't a Dentara alt, well, maybe you people will get your cash back. But fortunately, I don't have to worry about that... I only fell for one scam, and none since

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The next question is... is Kal a Dentara alt too?

/had this suspicion in the back of my mind for a while, and for that reason never bought any EIBI shares, ever.

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Originally by: Dagam

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The evidence was there the whole time. Personally I was surprised Dark Shikari defended EIB for as long as he did.

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The next question is... is Kal a Dentara alt too?

/had this suspicion in the back of my mind for a while, and for that reason never bought any EIBI shares, ever.

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you never bought any but still supported and spoke for cally's behalf? you still stand by napthalia and EMFI and their audit and that they are trustworthy to? btw you still offer condolences to cally's family about his so called overdose?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 02:46:08

Originally by: Dagam

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The evidence was there the whole time. Personally I was surprised Dark Shikari defended EIB for as long as he did.

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I don't think its fair to call "scam" unless the probability of a scam is 100%.

Until one calls "scam", it is important to look at every possibility.

Also, I had a GREAT deal of information about what was going on, however I could not tell anyone due to certain non-disclosure agreements with certain parties. If I suddenly called scam and said "OMG SEE LOOK AT THIS INFO ITS A SCAM" it would be violating those agreements.

So I continued beating down the alts and Currin, while continuing to avoid investing a cent in the EIB

Originally by: Sir Juri

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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The next question is... is Kal a Dentara alt too?

/had this suspicion in the back of my mind for a while, and for that reason never bought any EIBI shares, ever.

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you never bought any but still supported and spoke for cally's behalf? you still stand by napthalia and EMFI and their audit and that they are trustworthy to? btw you still offer condolences to cally's family about his so called overdose?

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I edited my post to add condolences because otherwise the mod would have deleted it.

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Originally by: Kenz Rider

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DS is out for DS. Just remember that.

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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yeah the mod removed mine but you didnt edit something out that questioned his death tho, oh well atleast he admited it now instead of letting everyone think he "died" and then still play the game with all his "loot"!

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Originally by: Dagam

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On the other hand I don't think it's fair to support EIB when you suspect otherwise. I was almost certain EIB was a scam since back in early July when I came across the hubbub in this forum, but were I to point it out I would have been shouted down by you and so many of Cally's forum warriors. From what I saw you didn't just withhold judgment about it being a scam, you stifled logical, reasonable discussion to that effect.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Kenz Rider

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DS is out for DS. Just remember that.

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Well, more importantly:

My honor/trust > everything else.

While we're at it, here's a screenie of UEMA wallet withdrawals: Linkage

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Originally by: Dagam

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On the other hand I don't think it's fair to support EIB when you suspect otherwise. I was almost certain EIB was a scam since back in early July when I came across the hubbub in this forum, but were I to point it out I would have been shouted down by you and so many of Cally's forum warriors. From what I saw you didn't just withhold judgment about it being a scam, you stifled logical, reasonable discussion to that effect.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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So I continued beating down the alts and Currin, while continuing to avoid investing a cent in the EIB

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Kenz Rider

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DS is out for DS. Just remember that.

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Well, more importantly:

My honor/trust > everything else.

While we're at it, here's a screenie of UEMA wallet withdrawals: Linkage

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both you and omber needs to never ever speak on behalf of IPO's, especially when you had suspicions but didnt act upon them even if you couldnt loose any ISK but cant break a "deal" in a game about auditing by someone like napthalia/emfi who cant do audits and is most likely in on it, and got a piece of the scam

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Until one calls "scam", it is important to look at every possibility .. I had a GREAT deal of information .. non-disclosure agreements

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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My honor/trust > everything else.

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Originally by: Kerushi

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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So I continued beating down the alts and Currin, while continuing to avoid investing a cent in the EIB

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but alts ran and still running the bank

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Originally by: Heikki

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Until one calls "scam", it is important to look at every possibility .. I had a GREAT deal of information .. non-disclosure agreements

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I find this somewhat sad :(

To me it seems you are hinting that you had strong suspicion of the scam, yet in the forums you kept posting comments indicating otherwise (like "If it was a scam, the money would already be gone" and many many others).

If you were trusted private information, shouldn't you rather have stayed quiet, rather than speaking for one side?

Anyone who lost significant amounts of ISK, care to step forward and tell about it (with main, alts are worthless for this purpose)? Did the defensive opinions of forum figures, like Dark Shikari, affect your decisions?

-Lasse

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Originally by: Kristin Bergljot

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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My honor/trust > everything else.

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And you have none since you lied to everyone else on the forums and enabled Dentara to get away with his scam.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 03:02:12

Originally by: Kristin Bergljot

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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My honor/trust > everything else.

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And you have none since you lied to everyone else on the forums and enabled Dentara to get away with his scam.

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Lied?

Unfortunately, I told the truth.

I thought there was a high chance of EIB not being a scam. Turned out it was.

You fools will spin this every way you want, but it comes down to this quite simply: I didn't think the chance of EIB being a scam was that high. I was wrong.

My posts come with no guarantee of being right. I have no better information than those of the best informed players out there (EMFI Manager/Naphtalia) and yet I'm still often wrong.

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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Well if you make an audit and aint allowed to get access to everything then you have to come to the conclusion that the audit wasnt succesfull then ask yourself why and then understand its because its a scam. ITS THAT EASY! and that audit sucked and you still stood by him and so did EMFI, who I suspect was in on it at the end. And one cant trust their stuff either.

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Originally by: Currin Trading

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Since Cally has confessed the EIB was a scam, I think it would be appropriate for all of us to tie up loose ends so that everyone can get on with the business of Eve.

Certain individuals on this forum spent the last month and a half repeatedly explaining that the EIB was a scam. Other individuals continually professed Cally's innocence and the legitimacy of the EIB whilst attacking those who were trying to save their isk from the scam.

Perhaps some reconciliation could take place between these two groups?

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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Dark dosnt matter how much you debate it, some were right some like you were wrong.

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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But I have to give the point to currin me and others that saw this for the scam it was. Now atleast tell me you dont trust EMFI to 110% to?

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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Crazy give it up, post with your main!

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Originally by: Darkon Gatland

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Oh dear DS. Let me get this straight, you advocated for EIB but you didn't buy any shares or invest any cash and you were unharmed by said scam?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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And since there's no reason not to, I will explain in more detail why I did not yell "scam" at any point during this charade.

I guessed early on at a 1 in 8 chance of EIB being a scam, back before all the drama happened, and before a lot of the suspicious things took place (along with the audit with very questionable results). That chance reached in my mind about 5 in 8 by the time the video was posted.

Imagine if I had gone along with Currin and yelled that it was a scam. In my mind, there was a 7 in 8 chance I would be wrong. Imagine the embarassment if I had yelled scam and it wasn't? Imagine how stupid I would have looked if I yelled scam for 4 months and it never happened? Especially as in my mind, the chance was relatively low.

The chance rose, but I stuck to the logic. I figured it would be better to stay undecided and knock down arguments on both sides (both against it being a scam and for it being a scam) and try to encourage good discussion rather than the reposting of old talking points. I avoided encouraging investment: it had always sounded too fishy to me to invest in.

And in the end, I think it worked out.

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Originally by: Dentara Rast

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The only person involved was me. 1 Person. And that one character I used was Cally.


Not one person who supported the EIB, worked for the EIB, or was involved in anyway with the EIB was aware of my intentions.

I fooled everyone.

I win EVE.


This is why

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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Well goodluck with your fear of beeing wrong. All you do is telling us the score of the game after its been played. But this time however your trying to "fix" the score, you were supporting Cally and EMFI with napthalia even running investigations on which you then gave further support. whatever your allways "right"!?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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Well goodluck with your fear of beeing wrong. All you do is telling us the score of the game after its been played. But this time however your trying to "fix" the score, you were supporting Cally and EMFI with napthalia even running investigations on which you then gave further support. whatever your allways "right"!?

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How much ISK do you want to bet that EMFI is a scam?

Lets put a timer of two months on this for the "scam" to pan out.

How about 1 billion? 2 billion?

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Originally by: Darkon Gatland

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Ok. So are people accusing you of being "in on the job"? It's hard to work out seeing as i've not been following the events until recently and of course all the trolling etc.

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Originally by: Darkon Gatland

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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Well goodluck with your fear of beeing wrong. All you do is telling us the score of the game after its been played. But this time however your trying to "fix" the score, you were supporting Cally and EMFI with napthalia even running investigations on which you then gave further support. whatever your allways "right"!?

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How much ISK do you want to bet that EMFI is a scam?

Lets put a timer of two months on this for the "scam" to pan out.

How about 1 billion? 2 billion?

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Should we be calling all of these "banks" scam houses just because a lot of peeps got humm dingered once/twice?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 03:35:08

Originally by: Darkon Gatland

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Oh dear DS. Let me get this straight, you advocated for EIB but you didn't buy any shares or invest any cash and you were unharmed by said scam?

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I did not advocate the EIB.

Primarily, I defended the EIB against accusations that I thought were baseless.

I thought it was unfair to call EIB a scam based on the current information. More fair was to consider the possibility that it could be a scam.

I thought that calling EIB a scam a month, two months, three months ago based on the evidence available was simply unfair.

I still believe I was right: the evidence was not enough to make a full, trustworthy decision. So I didn't.

I don't believe I ever suggested that people invest in the EIB. Doing so would be simply dishonest.

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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If you cant gather enough "evidence" then you have to ask yourself "WHY!?" and the only conclusion and it was obvious was that it was a scam and cally wouldnt give you the info you needed.

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Originally by: Treelox

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just for the sake of clarity.....


while cally in his video called this a scam. His claims that only he was in on it. Plus stating in the video that he only decided to take the isk and run 2 months ago. That all the other workers, tellers, and directors of EIB/EIBI were not in on it.

By Callys own words it is in fact really a case of embezzlement, especially if Kal continues to make good on his word, and pay out to depositors,investors, and staff.

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Originally by: Treelox

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just for the sake of clarity.....


while cally in his video called this a scam. His claims that only he was in on it. Plus stating in the video that he only decided to take the isk and run 2 months ago. That all the other workers, tellers, and directors of EIB/EIBI were not in on it.

By Callys own words it is in fact really a case of embezzlement, especially if Kal continues to make good on his word, and pay out to depositors,investors, and staff.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay

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Remember, Dentara might not get to use much of that isk like he wants. He still has his court date, and still might wind up in jail for GBH. (Grievous bodily harm, i.e. he beat the crap out of someone.)

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Um, wasn't the whole jail thing a damn lie?

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Originally by: Treelox

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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I haven't watched the video, but from what I heard, didn't Dentara claim that Kal was his alt?

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Not that i was able to hear, of course if he did I might not been able to hear it. I do believe I heard him say that he only did it with Cally in the bank though.

You would think that if some one wish to gloat and make a 16min long diatribe of mental mastur-bation, they could have at least made it with some quality. IMO SVE's exit message was far classier and better produced.

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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wake up man, atleast one of the char running EIB is an alt of Cally. He says noone was in on it, but I still think nepthalia EMFI and who knows perhaps Dark (dont be naive) was in on it. And perhaps more ppl.

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Originally by: Kitty O'Shay

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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wake up man, atleast one of the char running EIB is an alt of Cally. He says noone was in on it, but I still think nepthalia EMFI and who knows perhaps Dark (dont be naive) was in on it. And perhaps more ppl.

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Well, I think Dentara used DS/Naph/etc. as suckers, more than them being cut in for some of the profit. They gave their help willingly to him, by continuing to post even when they had serious doubts.

DS, had his teeth in the issue like a dog with a bone. He couldn't let go and stop posting, even when he know better.

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Originally by: Kerushi

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just look at Dentara Rast post history to see he has more old aged chars coming for a new scam

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 04:12:26

Oh and for those interested, rather than flaming on about this now, EMFI has some pretty decent info coming soonÖ. Maybe tomorrow. So stay on your toes, wait, and see whats going to happen. Or join the EMFI channel and discuss...

P.S. I'll give you a taste of the info. Dentara claims the character Cally will be deleted. . More coming as the scam develops

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 04:12:26

Oh and for those interested, rather than flaming on about this now, EMFI has some pretty decent info coming soonÖ. Maybe tomorrow. So stay on your toes, wait, and see whats going to happen. Or join the EMFI channel and discuss...

P.S. I'll give you a taste of the info. Dentara claims the character Cally will be deleted. . More coming as the scam develops

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a video with a bunch of "pwnage" or good info? well I hope to see it soon:tm

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 04:17:31

Originally by: Sir Juri

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 04:12:26

Oh and for those interested, rather than flaming on about this now, EMFI has some pretty decent info coming soonÖ. Maybe tomorrow. So stay on your toes, wait, and see whats going to happen. Or join the EMFI channel and discuss...

P.S. I'll give you a taste of the info. Dentara claims the character Cally will be deleted. . More coming as the scam develops

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a video with a bunch of "pwnage" or good info? well I hope to see it soon:tm

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Well its not a video, because its already been discussed in a public channel... so you can ask anyone in the channel.

Its fun stuff though. What will be more interesting will be everyone's reaction to it.

Lets just say that Dentara doesn't really care if people know his plans and thoughts now, considering he has all the ISK

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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no clue what channel that be or if I can bother, but if you got time plz relay it

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Originally by: Dentara Rast 2006.07.08 11:22:00

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Originally by: Macdeth 2006.07.08 09:53:00

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While we're on an alt/main witchhunt, didn't Dentara Rast recently claim that some large loss was something like "less than 0.5% of his total worth", which made his worth ballpark five hundred billion?

Just curious, since Dentara Rast has claimed for at least the couple years I've been aware of him to be rich thanks to his alts though these alts have never been identified.

There shouldn't be more than several dozen individual players with total assets over a few hundred billion, after all... These couldn't be -that- hard to identify.

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YES!!! I AM CALLY'S ALT!!! HA HA HA FOOLED YOU ALL!!!!

Among my other great alts, there is Dark Shikari! HippoKing! and lets not forget......

EMFI HIMSELF!!!!

we should demand an alt sub forum!

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Originally by: Kenz Rider

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Well after I tend to some in game business over the next few weeks I will be letting my sub go.

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Originally by: Dentara Rast

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thats right. told everyone but they didnt listen....

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Originally by: Obaspacula

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Originally by: Dentara Rast

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thats right. told everyone but they didnt listen....

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Okay, interesting thing is you had a jackpot, but instead of making yourself into a crime lord, you are now just the typical car jacker. EIB could have been milked to the end of the game and you wouldnt have had to do anything if you wanted.

It will be interesting to see if anyone makes themself into a jabba like character.

No discussing moderation. -Kaemonn

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Originally by: Dentara Rast

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thats right. told everyone but they didnt listen....

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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Originally by: Obaspacula

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Originally by: Dentara Rast

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thats right. told everyone but they didnt listen....

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Okay, interesting thing is you had a jackpot, but instead of making yourself into a crime lord, you are now just the typical car jacker. EIB could have been milked to the end of the game and you wouldnt have had to do anything if you wanted.

It will be interesting to see if anyone makes themself into a jabba like character.

No discussing moderation. -Kaemonn

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you know tbh I dont think anyone in EVE with a trillion in his wallet would hesitate one second to take it all. Bottom line any IPO which so much ISK with a few ppl with access to the wallet, it will get taken, you cant entrust anyone with that much ISK.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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So as I post this, I figure I should ask Currin a few questions.

What made you decide to run your scam?

At what point during your scam did you decide to call scam on EIB?

Did you ever think there was a chance EIB wasn't a scam? Be honest here.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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What does EMFI have to do with this?

I have 900,000 EMFI shares.

I have zero EIB shares.

There is a reason for this disparity.

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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both you and omber needs to never ever speak on behalf of IPO's, especially when you had suspicions but didnt act upon them even if you couldnt loose any ISK but cant break a "deal" in a game about auditing by someone like napthalia/emfi who cant do audits and is most likely in on it, and got a piece of the scam

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Originally by: Omber Zombie

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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both you and omber needs to never ever speak on behalf of IPO's, especially when you had suspicions but didnt act upon them even if you couldnt loose any ISK but cant break a "deal" in a game about auditing by someone like napthalia/emfi who cant do audits and is most likely in on it, and got a piece of the scam

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1st) WTF do I have to do with this? I have never commented on EIB. The only thing I have done regarding them was not trade their stocks on EGSE while the audit was ongoing.
2nd) I should make public who I decide to invest in?
3rd) This is the 2nd post in here from you referring to me, have I done something to you in the past to hurt you that I should be aware of?

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Originally by: Omber Zombie

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Actually, no, I won't calm down. You have used my name twice in this thread to illustrate that I am untrustworthy. I didn't defend EIB, I didn't defend SVE either. The only thing I said about SVE was that it was a viable business. Which it was. The fact that it was a scam is the reason I stopped looking at IPO's as I refused to lend my name to something that in theory could be legitimate, but could also be a scam.

Do not use me as a scapegoat, and I won't get ****ed off at you.

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Originally by: Eschwen

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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What does EMFI have to do with this?

I have 900,000 EMFI shares.

I have zero EIB shares.

There is a reason for this disparity.

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Come now Dark, I know you know better than to post this rubbish. Let me do some quick math for you:

You own 900,000 shares of EMFI, out of a total of 10,000,000 shares. This means you personally represent 9% of the fund. Based on the latest EMFI portfolio (and despite EMFI's best efforts to dump stock) the fund currently holds ~8 billion ISK worth of EIBI stock. By definition, this means that approximately 9% of that value is yours.

This currently leaves you with a personal loss of $716,850,000.00 ISK. EIBI paid back about 1/3rd of the original IPO value as dividends before today (mitigating your loss somewhat) but still leaving it in the realm of about a half billion.

If you were to receive a RL statement from EMFI, it would state that you currently own 29.79 shares of EIBI (due to the fact that you 'own' 9% of the 331 shares carried by the fund).

I know this concept does not escape you. Please don't pretend it does.

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Originally by: Your Main

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There are similarities between Dentara, Cally, EMFI Manager, and Naphtalia, wether people choose to notice them or not...

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Originally by: Mecinia Lua

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Thus propositioning children in a MMO can still be a sexual crime in the real world ( just like when they use text messaging to do so. ).

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Originally by: Hakzuzu

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Oh my god, you guys are a bunch of idiots if you think you can make money for doing absolutely nothing!! Oh my god....thank god for Darwin!!

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Originally by: VCBee 360

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Originally by: Mecinia Lua

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Thus propositioning children in a MMO can still be a sexual crime in the real world ( just like when they use text messaging to do so. ).

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The difference is, you don't actually own anything in this game legally. CCP owns your isk, ships, POSes and your veld. So the only company that could even possibly instigate legal action relating to ingame assets would be CCP.

They even own my missl

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Big scam but somehow didnt feel stylish. May be because all were done in alts. IMHO the scam feels more of an attention scam. Just my 10 ISKs though.

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Originally by: Semblence

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When you scam 790 billion ISK, who cares about style?

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Originally by: Kespii

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Originally by: Eschwen

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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What does EMFI have to do with this?

I have 900,000 EMFI shares.

I have zero EIB shares.

There is a reason for this disparity.

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Come now Dark, I know you know better than to post this rubbish. Let me do some quick math for you:

You own 900,000 shares of EMFI, out of a total of 10,000,000 shares. This means you personally represent 9% of the fund. Based on the latest EMFI portfolio (and despite EMFI's best efforts to dump stock) the fund currently holds ~8 billion ISK worth of EIBI stock. By definition, this means that approximately 9% of that value is yours.

This currently leaves you with a personal loss of $716,850,000.00 ISK. EIBI paid back about 1/3rd of the original IPO value as dividends before today (mitigating your loss somewhat) but still leaving it in the realm of about a half billion.

If you were to receive a RL statement from EMFI, it would state that you currently own 29.79 shares of EIBI (due to the fact that you 'own' 9% of the 331 shares carried by the fund).

I know this concept does not escape you. Please don't pretend it does.

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uhh dont be a dumba--, I know that DS has atleast 1 billion invested in emfi

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Originally by: Semblence

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Wallet screenshots, for comparison:

670 billion isk

and

another scammer http://upload.0x1011.org/files/walletbig.jpg

Style over substance...?

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Originally by: Dentara Rast

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It wasnt going to be a scam until all that heat came....
which incidently your started...

Thanks anyways Currin, you helped me make the decision.

And just a correction on my part. EIB was not the scam. I scammed the EIB and the public. Im just a pirate at heart

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Originally by: Semblence

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Wallet screenshots, for comparison:

670 billion isk

and

another scammer http://upload.0x1011.org/files/walletbig.jpg

Style over substance...?

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Big scam but somehow didnt feel stylish. May be because all were done in alts. IMHO the scam feels more of an attention scam. Just my 10 ISKs though.

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Through his investment with EMFI he in fact does have his own personal money invested in the EIB,

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and therefore his claim of having "zero EIB shares" is false.

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Big scam but somehow didnt feel stylish. May be because all were done in alts. IMHO the scam feels more of an attention scam. Just my 10 ISKs though.

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Originally by: IDesert FoxI

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Currin, you have made the market discussions area very interesting for the past few months. I did enjoy reading your tale of currin trading (nearly got me with that one ).

I just can't help but wonder how much you had to do with this. I am sorry for those who lost money, and those who defended Cally. Im still yet to decide if Currin was warning of the bank or just attacking it

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Originally by: Sir Juri

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So whatever/whoever Currin is and what his objectives and motivations are if EIB was legit it wouldnt matter how many accusations were floating around. I think Currin like Cally (perhaps same person?) both have a big ego and the EIB scam was bigger then the SVE one and Currin wanted to destroy his scam or take the glory for beeing the one discovering so he could get more attention then his own scam yielded. Bah doesnt matter, point is Cally created a scam and pulled it off, he didnt scam cause his feeling were hurt

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 20/08/2006 10:43:01

Originally by: Sir Juri

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So whatever/whoever Currin is and what his objectives and motivations are if EIB was legit it wouldnt matter how many accusations were floating around. I think Currin like Cally (perhaps same person?) both have a big ego and the EIB scam was bigger then the SVE one and Currin wanted to destroy his scam or take the glory for beeing the one discovering so he could get more attention then his own scam yielded. Bah doesnt matter, point is Cally created a scam and pulled it off, he didnt scam cause his feeling were hurt

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I think Currin and Cally/Dentara are different person. Currin made a fuss because if Cally's scam happened, Currin's scam would be shadowed by Cally's. We think alike except for the same person part but who knows. >_<

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Originally by: Mecinia Lua

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While I recognize the constraints of the EULA, and agree to them. The fact is no EULA has ever withstood a court test in Europe or the United States.

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Originally by: Chribba

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A lot of ISK indeed. That could get a lucky carebear a decent stack of Veldspar

And off topic, does this mean that the old Frontier mission - 'Assassinate Dentara Rast' actually has some sort of link to the present time? - Linkage

-SNIP-
Assassinate Dentara Rast

When: From late August 3250 (hit takes place early December)
News: Frontier News (report on Tiliala Treaty talks at Exioce)
Where: Anywhere
BBS Message: Friends of the Valhallan Democratic Peace Party wish to arrange a prolonged holiday...
Prerequisites: None?
Reward: 50,000 Credits, a lot of adverse press and being the subject of a manhunt!
There is a civil war taking place in the system of Tiliala (-4,-1), with the Dictator and leader of the Valhallan Democratic Peace Party, Augustus Checkin, being under threat from the Valhallan Liberation Front. 'Friends' of the ruling party put out a contract on the leader of the Valhallan Liberation Army (the armed wing of the VLF), Dentara Rast.

Over the next few months, reports continue on the progress of the conflict, and it looks like there might be the possibility of a peace deal. One of the rebel leaders meets with an 'accident,' and Dentara Rast swears vengeance. Hostilities increase once more. By now, the Great Powers are taking an interest, in no small part due to the chance discovery of Tantalum (an exceptionally rare and valuable metal) on the planet. By the time that you have to carry out the contract, it is looking like there may be a peace deal on the table.

Unlike other assassinations, you must destroy the ship Rast is travelling on before it hyperspaces. If you don't, she is assumed to have escaped - even if you blow the ship away after it emerges from hyperspace. You will fail the mission. In plot terms, I think the flight was supposed to be an internal one to the planet Democracy in the same system.

Due to your actions, hostilities increase once more, with the rebels refusing to talk peace until the assassin (you) is brought to justice. You hit just about every one of the Journals, with your name, ship details and location being printed over the next few months. All of the authorities put out a contract on you, so you may want to sell your ship...

While all of this dodging the authorities may become a little annoying, they eventually get sick of looking for you, and all claim credit for your death. You may find this news particularly amusing if you kept your ship, as you will still be alive!
-SNIP-

Elite(TM) 4TW!

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Originally by: Gaius Sejanus

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Through his investment with EMFI he in fact does have his own personal money invested in the EIB,

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No, he has his money invested in EMFI.

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and therefore his claim of having "zero EIB shares" is false.

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Your definition of owning a share could stand some revision. EMFI works just like a mutual fund in the real world. Investing in a mutual fund does not give you stock ownership. You do not, for example, have the right to vote with your stock because you DO NOT OWN ANY STOCK.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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From what I've heard, EMFI has some very good plans in place to deal with the problem even if Kal doesn't refund investors their money as Dentara said he would.

I'm not worried.

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Originally by: babyblue

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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From what I've heard, EMFI has some very good plans in place to deal with the problem even if Kal doesn't refund investors their money as Dentara said he would.

I'm not worried.

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I'm not too worried either to be honest DS. I just would appreciate a statement to put my mind at rest.

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Originally by: Gibmundur

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any urls to that vidoe ?

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Originally by: Gibmundur

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Found it

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Originally by: Tamneah

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Originally by: Gibmundur

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Found it

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Smart move

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Originally by: Pirlouit

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Dear all,
As some people have found out, any links, wether indirect or direct or hints about where to get that Cally's confession video will be removed because it contains profanity. Any poster of such links of information will possibly face a warning for it. - Pirlouit.

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Originally by: Indomitus Rex

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All I have to say is. . .told ya so.

For anyone that saved money because they listened to me, a nice ISK donation would be very welcome.

And for Argenton, DS, and the rest of you half-wits. . .have fun eatin' crow.

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Originally by: Pirlouit

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Dear all,
As some people have found out, any links, wether indirect or direct or hints about where to get that Cally's confession video will be removed because it contains profanity. Any poster of such links of information will possibly face a warning for it. - Pirlouit.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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What if someone posts a bleeped-out version of Dentara's vid?

Will they get cookies?

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Originally by: Ferrosa

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I've found on some websites that people are selling 1B isk for 160 $ ...

That gives Dentara: 780*160$ = 124800 $ to spend.

nice way to make a living, how much time did he put into it?

I'll leave it to you guys to calculate how much he makes a month then

Everyone grasping the seriousness of the situation here, and how not cool this scam is. I have totally no respect for him, and I would love it when CCP makes his ban even longer

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Originally by: Obaspacula

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Edited by: Obaspacula on 20/08/2006 15:30:05

Originally by: Ferrosa

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I've found on some websites that people are selling 1B isk for 160 $ ...

That gives Dentara: 780*160$ = 124800 $ to spend.

nice way to make a living, how much time did he put into it?

I'll leave it to you guys to calculate how much he makes a month then

Everyone grasping the seriousness of the situation here, and how not cool this scam is. I have totally no respect for him, and I would love it when CCP makes his ban even longer

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If he starts another scam in 6 months like he said he could theoretically make 200 thousand dollars every year, or under a couple years. Thats a pretty good income if you ask me. Thats only a few thousand players that need to buy that isk as well, an easy sale.

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Originally by: Kieli Rast

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I would gladly 'donate' it to a Gallente NPC corporation (ISK SINK FTW!!!) should I be installed as the new Gallente President - Dentara Rast that is. Lets draw the elections to a conclusion

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Originally by: Naphtalia

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Originally by: Kieli Rast

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I would gladly 'donate' it to a Gallente NPC corporation (ISK SINK FTW!!!) should I be installed as the new Gallente President - Dentara Rast that is. Lets draw the elections to a conclusion

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/me thinks of the Gallente Federation scamming Rast out of his iskies by promissing to fix the the elections but spending it on the campaign of their own president instead.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 20/08/2006 12:27:03

Originally by: Gaius Sejanus

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Through his investment with EMFI he in fact does have his own personal money invested in the EIB,

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No, he has his money invested in EMFI.

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and therefore his claim of having "zero EIB shares" is false.

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Your definition of owning a share could stand some revision. EMFI works just like a mutual fund in the real world. Investing in a mutual fund does not give you stock ownership. You do not, for example, have the right to vote with your stock because you DO NOT OWN ANY STOCK.

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Correct.

From what I've heard, EMFI has some very good plans in place to deal with the problem even if Kal doesn't refund investors their money as Dentara said he would.

I'm not worried.

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Originally by: Obaspacula

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What a ego maniac.

Linkage

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Originally by: Obaspacula

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What a ego maniac.

Linkage

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Originally by: Obaspacula

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Originally by: Indomitus Rex

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All I have to say is. . .told ya so.

For anyone that saved money because they listened to me, a nice ISK donation would be very welcome.

And for Argenton, DS, and the rest of you half-wits. . .have fun eatin' crow.

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I always find it intelligent when someone thinks their crapshot guess was any better then anyone else's they deserve a reward.

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Originally by: Indomitus Rex

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Yeah, maybe because my crapshot guess was WAY before anyone else's and I backed it up with logical arguments. Any person with an average IQ could see that the possibility for the EIB to be a scam was HUGE.

I love how we had all these forum warriors coming out defending Cally and all IPOs in general. Nevermind the fact that all but maybe 3 IPOs have been scams.

I also was the one saying that Dentara and others were just alts of Cally coming to EIB's defense. That was fairly obvious too tho so no big thing there.

So, again. . .the IPO market is BROKEN. It's crap. If you value your ISK do something else with it, otherwise you're just passing it off to some tool who will then think it's uber-cool to make a video of himself to brag.

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Originally by: Eschwen

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Fair enough.

DS gave his money to someone else so they could invest it in the EIB. Which of course means that DS didn't invest in the EIB and has no financial stake in it. Because someone else did it. With his money.

Gotcha.

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Originally by: Indomitus Rex

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I love how we had all these forum warriors coming out defending Cally and all IPOs in general. Nevermind the fact that all but maybe 3 IPOs have been scams.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Eschwen

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Fair enough.

DS gave his money to someone else so they could invest it in the EIB. Which of course means that DS didn't invest in the EIB and has no financial stake in it. Because someone else did it. With his money.

Gotcha.

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If it doesn't affect my wallet whether EIB lived or died, I have no stake in it.

You can spin that all you want, but that doesn't change the facts.

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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers

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And i think that most of what you said has no relation to this discussion. Some forms of betrayel of trust are bad for the game. YOu undock, and CONCORD randomly blows you to pieces. "Lolz pwned, your fault". You have to trust game mechanics, else it becomes rather pointless.

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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers

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BUT this entire scam was not a case of basic trust. We are talking about a bank here. Were people sent out money to someone else, out of their own free will. In the hopes of getting more money back. We are not talking about newbs, we are talking about billionaires.

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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers

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Those kinds of people who knew how to make a fortune. Thats what people ment when they mention Darwinism. Someone who gives his billions to a scammer doesnt deserve them in the first place. The scammer is just correcting the obviously injust distribution of wealth.

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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers

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And you try to twist it into yet another "good looking females are to blame when they get ravaged". We are not talking about people who steal dried bread from starving childred. We are pod pilotes. Far and above the common man. Even the poorest of us has more then a village or even a planet. Stealing sounds a lot less evil when its about gold watches from spoiled brats, all of the sudden.

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