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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:10:01 -
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With such a large system what on earth is going to happen with off grid boosts? It could get really messy, But being as all the rules are new, If the mechanics exist, It could well be a system where boosts just do not work. Still plenty of places outside it where they do. So no one would Actually lose out if that were the case, But if they existed, No booster in system hidden far, far away? don't bother visiting.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
153
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:13:07 -
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Good point, off grid boost could be completly off balance! |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
250
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:14:15 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:"ccp doesn't care about WH space"
mfw
There's a distinct difference between "caring and "caring enough to make a good change." |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
824
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:26:20 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:Good point, off grid boost could be completly off balance!
This needs to be made a more significant point.
Yaay!!!!
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3916
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:28:17 -
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Yay, docking games in WHs!!! *eyeroll*
This just gonna be the Sansha incursion base system? It's the only story based thing that would make any sense at all so wouldn't surprise me.
Phoenix Jones wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:Good point, off grid boost could be completly off balance! This needs to be made a more significant point. Off grid boosters are pretty easily scannable... I don't see the problem.
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Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
134
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:43:45 -
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Well, you asked for jumpclones in J-space, though without a J-Sig. And it comes with probably the most hated part of eve: Docking- and stationgames. Looking forwards to the devblog giving more info esp about the other new systems. |
Skywalker
WILDSINT S.C.A
72
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:44:07 -
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Can it have a kick-out station ? |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1367
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:47:13 -
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Skywalker wrote:Can it have a kick-out station ?
A kick-out is not necessarily a good idea, it encourages stupid bubbling and camping of stations.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like station games, but both extremes aren't particularly fun. Without CONCORD, a large undock isn't so much of a problem as it is in high though.
Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1334
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:51:12 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Yay, docking games in WHs!!! *eyeroll* This just gonna be the Sansha incursion base system? It's the only story based thing that would make any sense at all so wouldn't surprise me. Phoenix Jones wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:Good point, off grid boost could be completly off balance! This needs to be made a more significant point. Off grid boosters are pretty easily scannable... I don't see the problem. It depends how big the system is, If the same as currently, well no change there. If it is fifty times bigger? Well, hopefully there's a team of scan monkeys handy.
Damn never there when you need them..... The issue here does really speak for itself.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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RudinV
Hard Knocks Inc. Irresponsible Use of Capital.
451
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:52:41 -
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Fozzie of my hearth |
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1334
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:54:48 -
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I personally, am really looking forward to the other wormhole systems, quietly mentioned at the beginning of his announcement, thera sounds facinating, but there is so much opportunity for great things now WH space can be added to.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
855
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:03:08 -
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Niskin wrote:Thera, as announced, will only have k-space connections. So that could simplify it. But that could also change, we don't really know.
EDIT: Did I miss something about random w-space connections to Thera?
Fozzie mentioned it will be mostly k-space, no w-space statics but some wandering wormholes from w-space.
epicurus ataraxia wrote: It depends how big the system is, If the same as currently, well no change there. If it is fifty times bigger? Well, hopefully there's a team of scan monkeys handy.
If its that big your going to find somebodies booster even if not the one your looking for heh. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
824
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:13:16 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Yay, docking games in WHs!!! *eyeroll* This just gonna be the Sansha incursion base system? It's the only story based thing that would make any sense at all so wouldn't surprise me. Phoenix Jones wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:Good point, off grid boost could be completly off balance! This needs to be made a more significant point. Off grid boosters are pretty easily scannable... I don't see the problem.
In a typical system, sure.
If all they do is orbit the highsec, or if system is some comedy size like 1,000 AU, that becomes significantly harder.
I'd rather it a playground for everybody than just a playground to those who brought boosts.
Edit: I am not saying disable them, but this needs to be looked at in this particular situation.
Yaay!!!!
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Alundil
Isogen 5
742
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:21:15 -
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calaretu wrote:King Fu Hostile wrote:**** arenas
And pandas? Nah dont think this will be anything resembling arenas In before Sleepers look like actual Pandas and were evolved from a space-faring offshoot of the Pandarians (kill me now).
srsbsns (some theory/prediction) Thera = Testbed for new 00 space with no local Static "k-space connections" are gates (precursors to player created stargates) Wandering connections to wspace mirror current 00 wspace connection methods Vastly increased system size will alter how grids and boosting work
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Steven Hackett
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
91
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:31:09 -
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IMO. Thera doesn't rly classify as a wormhole system. It is more like a K-space system without gates and local...
Look it as a new type of space, not as a new type of wormholes. As long as Thera isn't a part of the W-space static network, it doesn't qualify imo. :) |
Hayley Enaka
Bookmark Both Sides Exit Strategy..
52
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:33:02 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Yay, docking games in WHs!!! *eyeroll* This just gonna be the Sansha incursion base system? It's the only story based thing that would make any sense at all so wouldn't surprise me. Phoenix Jones wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:Good point, off grid boost could be completly off balance! This needs to be made a more significant point. Off grid boosters are pretty easily scannable... I don't see the problem. In a typical system, sure. If all they do is orbit the highsec, or if system is some comedy size like 1,000 AU, that becomes significantly harder. I'd rather it a playground for everybody than just a playground to those who brought boosts. Edit: I am not saying disable them, but this needs to be looked at in this particular situation.
I'm with Jack, not seeing the issue here. If they orbit the highsec, send one ship to go scare them out of system and suddenly the boosts are gone. If they're at a deep safe, probe them down and deal with them. If you don't want to do that, then fly your ships right and you might get to wonder whether the boosts actually helped the other guys at all. Anyway, since when were people in wormholes bothered with things being harder? |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1334
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:34:12 -
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Steven Hackett wrote:IMO. Thera doesn't rly classify as a wormhole system. It is more like a K-space system without gates and local...
Look it as a new type of space, not as a new type of wormholes. As long as Thera isn't a part of the W-space static network, it doesn't qualify imo. :)
I think you are right, fozzie mentioned the fifth space, that seems a good description, but we are probably the most experienced with handling no local, so I imagine we will all have at least alts there. Should be a lot of fun.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
314
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:34:29 -
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Obil Que wrote:I have a hard time seeing how the stations and wormholes aren't camped 24x7 by someone
It's simple. Effort < lazyness. Like every ******* time.
You too can start failing today!
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Tiger Tesla
Periphery Bound Dominatus Atrum Mortis
50
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:36:42 -
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Maybe this will be CCP's attempt to still get the "media numbers" from having large space battles. Slow night? Tired of ratting/scanning/roaming? Oh, I hear there is a fight brewing in Thera.
All of K-space (and wormholers with connections to k-space or thera proper) jump clone into HUGE battles. No travel time needed. You always know what system it will be happening in.
It might be hard to get to the first time, but once you can put a clone there you can always find your way back.
That reason alone might make it a huge market for PvP. No Caps, No Cynos, no idea how many people are in system. Maybe you 30 man fleet is the big fish. Maybe there is a 100 man fleet combat scanning you down. Maybe there is a 500 man group about to land on your brawl. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1334
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:39:42 -
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Hayley Enaka wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Yay, docking games in WHs!!! *eyeroll* This just gonna be the Sansha incursion base system? It's the only story based thing that would make any sense at all so wouldn't surprise me. Phoenix Jones wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:Good point, off grid boost could be completly off balance! This needs to be made a more significant point. Off grid boosters are pretty easily scannable... I don't see the problem. In a typical system, sure. If all they do is orbit the highsec, or if system is some comedy size like 1,000 AU, that becomes significantly harder. I'd rather it a playground for everybody than just a playground to those who brought boosts. Edit: I am not saying disable them, but this needs to be looked at in this particular situation. I'm with Jack, not seeing the issue here. If they orbit the highsec, send one ship to go scare them out of system and suddenly the boosts are gone. If they're at a deep safe, probe them down and deal with them. If you don't want to do that, then fly your ships right and you might get to wonder whether the boosts actually helped the other guys at all. Anyway, since when were people in wormholes bothered with things being harder?
It is just one for CCP to consider, we do not know how big this space is, remember he implied this is REALLY big. As big as the whole of hisec? Or null? Or losec? Imagine a single booster providing boost to the whole of null. I think you would agree, that would be a bit out of balance?
All we can do is point it out as something to consider before release, CCP know how large it will be and can then see if it is something relevent. They probably thought of it already, but if not? No harm pointing out it should be thought about.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
1217
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:55:37 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote: It is just one for CCP to consider, we do not know how big this space is, remember he implied this is REALLY big. As big as the whole of hisec? Or null? Or losec? Imagine a single booster providing boost to the whole of null. I think you would agree, that would be a bit out of balance?
Yes they're going to make the system as large as all of null-sec because who doesn't love warping for 23 days straight...
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1334
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:59:30 -
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Joshua Foiritain wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote: It is just one for CCP to consider, we do not know how big this space is, remember he implied this is REALLY big. As big as the whole of hisec? Or null? Or losec? Imagine a single booster providing boost to the whole of null. I think you would agree, that would be a bit out of balance?
Yes they're going to make the system as large as all of null-sec because who doesn't love warping for 23 days straight...
Maybe some people want to be far far away? I do not know the system effects, fast warp? Acceleration gates? Who knows, not us, I do not know what they think of as big, but I imagine he did not call it the fifth space for nothing. and not many people are going to be jumping/warping from one side of nullsec to the other any more, doesn't mean they are going to shrink it.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Winthorp
2856
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Posted - 2014.11.07 00:48:48 -
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Who will actually run the sites in there, everyone like me will have a toon in there. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
1851
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Posted - 2014.11.07 01:09:30 -
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BRAVE will connect in there via a S199, and suddenly 250 Moas who are all liable to DIAF to smartbombs, getting trapped in via having their hole rolled, and SD out en masse. Content!
J's before K's.
Prolapse. Turning holes inside out with pew pew.
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3916
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Posted - 2014.11.07 01:28:56 -
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Winthorp wrote:Who will actually run the sites in there, everyone like me will have a toon in there. why would a nullseccer like you care about this system?
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spaceghost69
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Triumvirate.
17
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Posted - 2014.11.07 04:44:40 -
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Perma Tidi incoming |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
169
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Posted - 2014.11.07 05:49:53 -
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more systems that may become important with no local!!
hell yeah! Unlikely to see many null bears in those lol...
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Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
382
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Posted - 2014.11.07 06:05:13 -
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*Waits for RvB to move in* Blue in top station, Red in bottom. Let's roll fellas. |
Winthorp
2857
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Posted - 2014.11.07 06:22:11 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Winthorp wrote:Who will actually run the sites in there, everyone like me will have a toon in there. why would a nullseccer like you care about this system?
I didn't expect this from you Jack? I still maintain toons in WH space for the jew jew but not the pew pew, is that so wrong.... |
Sirius Fidelis
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2014.11.07 06:34:36 -
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Winthorp wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Winthorp wrote:Who will actually run the sites in there, everyone like me will have a toon in there. why would a nullseccer like you care about this system? I didn't expect this from you Jack? I still maintain toons in WH space for the jew jew but not the pew pew, is that so wrong....
You're what's wrong with w-space. |
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