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Hera Chawla
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:36:34 -
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As talked about on o7(don't have a link yet)
There will be a new wormhole system named thera, it'll have stations and kspace roaming connections.
WH Blue bagel should take it, discuss? |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
822
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:40:21 -
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edit..
Moo.
Yaay!!!!
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Niskin
League of the Lost
37
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:41:28 -
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I couldn't hear very good so I'm replaying it to catch all the details. WH size will prevent caps, I did hear that. And it will be the biggest system in EVE. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
822
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:43:20 -
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There are multiple new wormhole space incoming, he just spoke about one of them.
Yaay!!!!
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MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
111
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:44:41 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:edit..
Moo.
Yes?
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man.
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Alundil
Isogen 5
740
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:48:18 -
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I've already booked the band for this gig https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5185057#post5185057
I'm right behind you
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
250
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:52:57 -
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Forgive me for being tired, but i just ran through the WH "little things" list and on 5 pages, I saw exactly ONE request for stations. Along with that station request came, in the same post, a request for claiming WH space, essentially turning WH into null SOV systems.
Why does CCP think we want stations when all we want is for them to fix their POS code, or to remove the spawn distance mechanics? |
Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
313
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:58:29 -
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Also Thera is an anagram of earth.
You too can start failing today!
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MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
113
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:00:09 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:Also Thera is an anagram of earth.
It's also an anagram of "Hater" - in honor of everyone that posts on this forum perhaps?
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man.
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Glyndi
Doom Generation THE H0NEYBADGER
258
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:05:50 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:Also Thera is an anagram of earth.
But even more then that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Thera |
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Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
957
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:07:31 -
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Woohoo Nullsec 2.0.
*removes tinfoil hat*
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
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Vulxanis Viceroy
Offworld Trading Company Ethical Carnage
162
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:08:36 -
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MooMooDachshundCow wrote:Hatshepsut IV wrote:Also Thera is an anagram of earth. It's also an anagram of "Hater" - in honor of everyone that posts on this forum perhaps?
Why would we want this kind of wormhole station system? Does it have missions or something? How do you go in there and not die?
Fide et honore.
(IC note: Vulxanis only responds to "Lord Draconis".)
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Obil Que
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
186
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:10:05 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:Edit.
Main question, Jump Clones? If so, is it a good thing for a wormhole system? Yes I know this is a different special type of super wormhole system, but this would pretty much allow all of new eden to dump their alt into here and interdict the system for a month when bored. I'm sure they considered this though as even if they do, they don't have caps to drop, carriers to triage, and fighters to assign.
Its interesting.
Crazy side thought, but as a community, looking to improve wormhole traffic, would it be outside the realm of possibility for someone like Damien or any of the wormhole mapping systems to produce a kind of "Where is Thera" site/feature to always have the entrances publicly available to promote people entering? |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
822
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:10:25 -
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Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:MooMooDachshundCow wrote:Hatshepsut IV wrote:Also Thera is an anagram of earth. It's also an anagram of "Hater" - in honor of everyone that posts on this forum perhaps? Why would we want this kind of wormhole station system? Does it have missions or something? How do you go in there and not die?
Its more like NPC Nullsec without local and No POS's.
its.. interesting. Its almost a pure pvp assault system. Probably the new version of the thunderdome with no capitals At All.
Obil Que wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:Edit.
Main question, Jump Clones? If so, is it a good thing for a wormhole system? Yes I know this is a different special type of super wormhole system, but this would pretty much allow all of new eden to dump their alt into here and interdict the system for a month when bored. I'm sure they considered this though as even if they do, they don't have caps to drop, carriers to triage, and fighters to assign.
Its interesting. Crazy side thought, but as a community, looking to improve wormhole traffic, would it be outside the realm of possibility for someone like Damien or any of the wormhole mapping systems to produce a kind of "Where is Thera" site/feature to always have the entrances publicly available to promote people entering?
That would probably be bad.
Yaay!!!!
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Niskin
League of the Lost
37
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:11:37 -
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Since the podcast started late the replay cuts off early and the details on Thera came out after the cut off point. Hopefully they will fix that. |
Obil Que
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
186
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:11:40 -
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Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:MooMooDachshundCow wrote:Hatshepsut IV wrote:Also Thera is an anagram of earth. It's also an anagram of "Hater" - in honor of everyone that posts on this forum perhaps? Why would we want this kind of wormhole station system? Does it have missions or something? How do you go in there and not die?
The intricacies of seeding the stations with goods, getting in and out safely, even using the w-space connections and returning without dying is somewhat mind boggling. I have a hard time seeing how the stations and wormholes aren't camped 24x7 by someone |
Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
214
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:16:31 -
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It will be interesting to see how this plays out. It isn't beyond the realm of possibility that some sort of mutual agreement is reached among wh entities on system "rules". Of course, as was said, it could also be a Thunderdome. We shell see how CCP proceeds as it seems they have put a lot of planning and thought into this...
Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
822
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:20:56 -
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Especially if they allow jump cloning/medical cloning into it.
It would pretty much turn into a dictors comedy routine.
It depends on .. really several things.
1) the Amount of connections that come into it. If its just 1 connection, and people can crit holes, yea that place will become silly. 2) Station Mechanics. You want to remove or thrwart station gaming to some degree, else it'll literally be Jita Undock with a bubble on the station, 100 abandoned Drones on the undock and 30 tornado's 100km off. 3) Amount of Stations. There will be multiple apparently. 4) Size. this is what might balance the system out. If it is ENORMOUS, then it will be less of an issue. They have said it is the largest system ingame, which is leaning to a 200+ au system. 5) There is no local. All campers use local as their major intelligence to doing anything. Without it, they are as vulnerable as everybody else (warp a cloaky, get within 10 km, warp gang, kill). 6) Boosters will be an issue in this system (a huge issue due to the system size).
We don't know what the station will do (for all we know it has guns on it).
We don't know what we can build at the station (Currently can't do Component Construction because you cannot react gas in the system because POS's aren't allowed).
This definitely requires some testing on SiSi. The Clone Mechanic Worries me the most here.
Yaay!!!!
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Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:25:57 -
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Obil Que wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:Edit.
Main question, Jump Clones? If so, is it a good thing for a wormhole system? Yes I know this is a different special type of super wormhole system, but this would pretty much allow all of new eden to dump their alt into here and interdict the system for a month when bored. I'm sure they considered this though as even if they do, they don't have caps to drop, carriers to triage, and fighters to assign.
Its interesting. Crazy side thought, but as a community, looking to improve wormhole traffic, would it be outside the realm of possibility for someone like Damien or any of the wormhole mapping systems to produce a kind of "Where is Thera" site/feature to always have the entrances publicly available to promote people entering?
Now that is an interesting thought! I could probably add that as another chain map view mode. The only question really is how do we handle the signatures being entered? Could make any whs added to Thera directly a public sig but that would be forced upon people. I'm willing to do it as long as you guys don't want some crazy permissions system added :)
Creator of Tripwire mapping tool -
EVE-O thread
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Niskin
League of the Lost
37
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:29:44 -
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Thera, as announced, will only have k-space connections. So that could simplify it. But that could also change, we don't really know.
EDIT: Did I miss something about random w-space connections to Thera? |
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Utari Onzo
United System's Commonwealth
8
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:30:45 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:Especially if they allow jump cloning/medical cloning into it.
It would pretty much turn into a dictors comedy routine.
It depends on .. really several things.
1) the Amount of connections that come into it. If its just 1 connection, and people can crit holes, yea that place will become silly. 2) Station Mechanics. You want to remove or thrwart station gaming to some degree, else it'll literally be Jita Undock with a bubble on the station, 100 abandoned Drones on the undock and 30 tornado's 100km off.
1: multiple k-space connections were mentioned plus you'll have the wandering w-space connections
2: I believe they already fixed hobo jamming with interdictors, HICS get weapon timer off their bubbles (meaning they can't dock either), so docking/undocking should only be an issue vs instalockers or if your gang isn't big enough to scare off the HIC (similar to how it is in lowsec)
You should think of this less of a WH system with stations, and more of a segregated NPC null system with no local, and 'gates' that go to random systems. Maybe a good trade hub/meeting hub/fight club for us? |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
957
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:31:37 -
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So are these going to be new station designs and interiors or the bog standard choice of the four races? Because if they are going to be using current station designes, that's a bit lazy to be honest. Sleeper style Station or get out...
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calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
228
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:33:32 -
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Very interesting. Seeing the signs of Sleepers themself being awake (not just the drones) and now this? This smell of a new faction entering the playing field (Sleepers in human form)
~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
765
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:34:43 -
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"ccp doesn't care about WH space"
mfw
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
214
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:38:24 -
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**** arenas
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calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
228
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:39:58 -
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King Fu Hostile wrote:**** arenas
And pandas? Nah dont think this will be anything resembling arenas
~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
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Jaari Val'Dara
Grim Sleepers Ocularis Inferno
101
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:51:13 -
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I just wonder how common wormholes into it will be. |
Hayley Enaka
Bookmark Both Sides Exit Strategy..
52
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:55:10 -
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This actually sounds pretty cool. I know I'd love to have a scout in there so if it's a quiet day in our home hole, we can get a k-space exit and go raid Thera |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
153
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:04:51 -
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Also no capitals in the new space. And don't forget they call it a NEW SPACE not wormhole space! (lets call it T-space) Sounds like fun though. I only hope that they won't use it as an excuse to stop improving w-space. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1367
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:07:46 -
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Sounds pretty cool!
Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1333
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:10:01 -
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With such a large system what on earth is going to happen with off grid boosts? It could get really messy, But being as all the rules are new, If the mechanics exist, It could well be a system where boosts just do not work. Still plenty of places outside it where they do. So no one would Actually lose out if that were the case, But if they existed, No booster in system hidden far, far away? don't bother visiting.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
153
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:13:07 -
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Good point, off grid boost could be completly off balance! |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
250
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:14:15 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:"ccp doesn't care about WH space"
mfw
There's a distinct difference between "caring and "caring enough to make a good change." |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
824
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:26:20 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:Good point, off grid boost could be completly off balance!
This needs to be made a more significant point.
Yaay!!!!
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3916
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:28:17 -
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Yay, docking games in WHs!!! *eyeroll*
This just gonna be the Sansha incursion base system? It's the only story based thing that would make any sense at all so wouldn't surprise me.
Phoenix Jones wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:Good point, off grid boost could be completly off balance! This needs to be made a more significant point. Off grid boosters are pretty easily scannable... I don't see the problem.
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Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
134
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:43:45 -
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Well, you asked for jumpclones in J-space, though without a J-Sig. And it comes with probably the most hated part of eve: Docking- and stationgames. Looking forwards to the devblog giving more info esp about the other new systems. |
Skywalker
WILDSINT S.C.A
72
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:44:07 -
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Can it have a kick-out station ? |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1367
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:47:13 -
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Skywalker wrote:Can it have a kick-out station ?
A kick-out is not necessarily a good idea, it encourages stupid bubbling and camping of stations.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like station games, but both extremes aren't particularly fun. Without CONCORD, a large undock isn't so much of a problem as it is in high though.
Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1334
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:51:12 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Yay, docking games in WHs!!! *eyeroll* This just gonna be the Sansha incursion base system? It's the only story based thing that would make any sense at all so wouldn't surprise me. Phoenix Jones wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:Good point, off grid boost could be completly off balance! This needs to be made a more significant point. Off grid boosters are pretty easily scannable... I don't see the problem. It depends how big the system is, If the same as currently, well no change there. If it is fifty times bigger? Well, hopefully there's a team of scan monkeys handy.
Damn never there when you need them..... The issue here does really speak for itself.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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RudinV
Hard Knocks Inc. Irresponsible Use of Capital.
451
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:52:41 -
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Fozzie of my hearth |
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1334
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Posted - 2014.11.06 22:54:48 -
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I personally, am really looking forward to the other wormhole systems, quietly mentioned at the beginning of his announcement, thera sounds facinating, but there is so much opportunity for great things now WH space can be added to.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
855
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:03:08 -
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Niskin wrote:Thera, as announced, will only have k-space connections. So that could simplify it. But that could also change, we don't really know.
EDIT: Did I miss something about random w-space connections to Thera?
Fozzie mentioned it will be mostly k-space, no w-space statics but some wandering wormholes from w-space.
epicurus ataraxia wrote: It depends how big the system is, If the same as currently, well no change there. If it is fifty times bigger? Well, hopefully there's a team of scan monkeys handy.
If its that big your going to find somebodies booster even if not the one your looking for heh. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
824
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:13:16 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Yay, docking games in WHs!!! *eyeroll* This just gonna be the Sansha incursion base system? It's the only story based thing that would make any sense at all so wouldn't surprise me. Phoenix Jones wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:Good point, off grid boost could be completly off balance! This needs to be made a more significant point. Off grid boosters are pretty easily scannable... I don't see the problem.
In a typical system, sure.
If all they do is orbit the highsec, or if system is some comedy size like 1,000 AU, that becomes significantly harder.
I'd rather it a playground for everybody than just a playground to those who brought boosts.
Edit: I am not saying disable them, but this needs to be looked at in this particular situation.
Yaay!!!!
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Alundil
Isogen 5
742
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:21:15 -
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calaretu wrote:King Fu Hostile wrote:**** arenas
And pandas? Nah dont think this will be anything resembling arenas In before Sleepers look like actual Pandas and were evolved from a space-faring offshoot of the Pandarians (kill me now).
srsbsns (some theory/prediction) Thera = Testbed for new 00 space with no local Static "k-space connections" are gates (precursors to player created stargates) Wandering connections to wspace mirror current 00 wspace connection methods Vastly increased system size will alter how grids and boosting work
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Steven Hackett
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
91
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:31:09 -
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IMO. Thera doesn't rly classify as a wormhole system. It is more like a K-space system without gates and local...
Look it as a new type of space, not as a new type of wormholes. As long as Thera isn't a part of the W-space static network, it doesn't qualify imo. :) |
Hayley Enaka
Bookmark Both Sides Exit Strategy..
52
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:33:02 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Yay, docking games in WHs!!! *eyeroll* This just gonna be the Sansha incursion base system? It's the only story based thing that would make any sense at all so wouldn't surprise me. Phoenix Jones wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:Good point, off grid boost could be completly off balance! This needs to be made a more significant point. Off grid boosters are pretty easily scannable... I don't see the problem. In a typical system, sure. If all they do is orbit the highsec, or if system is some comedy size like 1,000 AU, that becomes significantly harder. I'd rather it a playground for everybody than just a playground to those who brought boosts. Edit: I am not saying disable them, but this needs to be looked at in this particular situation.
I'm with Jack, not seeing the issue here. If they orbit the highsec, send one ship to go scare them out of system and suddenly the boosts are gone. If they're at a deep safe, probe them down and deal with them. If you don't want to do that, then fly your ships right and you might get to wonder whether the boosts actually helped the other guys at all. Anyway, since when were people in wormholes bothered with things being harder? |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1334
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:34:12 -
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Steven Hackett wrote:IMO. Thera doesn't rly classify as a wormhole system. It is more like a K-space system without gates and local...
Look it as a new type of space, not as a new type of wormholes. As long as Thera isn't a part of the W-space static network, it doesn't qualify imo. :)
I think you are right, fozzie mentioned the fifth space, that seems a good description, but we are probably the most experienced with handling no local, so I imagine we will all have at least alts there. Should be a lot of fun.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
314
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:34:29 -
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Obil Que wrote:I have a hard time seeing how the stations and wormholes aren't camped 24x7 by someone
It's simple. Effort < lazyness. Like every ******* time.
You too can start failing today!
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Tiger Tesla
Periphery Bound Dominatus Atrum Mortis
50
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:36:42 -
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Maybe this will be CCP's attempt to still get the "media numbers" from having large space battles. Slow night? Tired of ratting/scanning/roaming? Oh, I hear there is a fight brewing in Thera.
All of K-space (and wormholers with connections to k-space or thera proper) jump clone into HUGE battles. No travel time needed. You always know what system it will be happening in.
It might be hard to get to the first time, but once you can put a clone there you can always find your way back.
That reason alone might make it a huge market for PvP. No Caps, No Cynos, no idea how many people are in system. Maybe you 30 man fleet is the big fish. Maybe there is a 100 man fleet combat scanning you down. Maybe there is a 500 man group about to land on your brawl. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1334
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:39:42 -
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Hayley Enaka wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Yay, docking games in WHs!!! *eyeroll* This just gonna be the Sansha incursion base system? It's the only story based thing that would make any sense at all so wouldn't surprise me. Phoenix Jones wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:Good point, off grid boost could be completly off balance! This needs to be made a more significant point. Off grid boosters are pretty easily scannable... I don't see the problem. In a typical system, sure. If all they do is orbit the highsec, or if system is some comedy size like 1,000 AU, that becomes significantly harder. I'd rather it a playground for everybody than just a playground to those who brought boosts. Edit: I am not saying disable them, but this needs to be looked at in this particular situation. I'm with Jack, not seeing the issue here. If they orbit the highsec, send one ship to go scare them out of system and suddenly the boosts are gone. If they're at a deep safe, probe them down and deal with them. If you don't want to do that, then fly your ships right and you might get to wonder whether the boosts actually helped the other guys at all. Anyway, since when were people in wormholes bothered with things being harder?
It is just one for CCP to consider, we do not know how big this space is, remember he implied this is REALLY big. As big as the whole of hisec? Or null? Or losec? Imagine a single booster providing boost to the whole of null. I think you would agree, that would be a bit out of balance?
All we can do is point it out as something to consider before release, CCP know how large it will be and can then see if it is something relevent. They probably thought of it already, but if not? No harm pointing out it should be thought about.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
1217
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:55:37 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote: It is just one for CCP to consider, we do not know how big this space is, remember he implied this is REALLY big. As big as the whole of hisec? Or null? Or losec? Imagine a single booster providing boost to the whole of null. I think you would agree, that would be a bit out of balance?
Yes they're going to make the system as large as all of null-sec because who doesn't love warping for 23 days straight...
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1334
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:59:30 -
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Joshua Foiritain wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote: It is just one for CCP to consider, we do not know how big this space is, remember he implied this is REALLY big. As big as the whole of hisec? Or null? Or losec? Imagine a single booster providing boost to the whole of null. I think you would agree, that would be a bit out of balance?
Yes they're going to make the system as large as all of null-sec because who doesn't love warping for 23 days straight...
Maybe some people want to be far far away? I do not know the system effects, fast warp? Acceleration gates? Who knows, not us, I do not know what they think of as big, but I imagine he did not call it the fifth space for nothing. and not many people are going to be jumping/warping from one side of nullsec to the other any more, doesn't mean they are going to shrink it.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Winthorp
2856
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Posted - 2014.11.07 00:48:48 -
[53] - Quote
Who will actually run the sites in there, everyone like me will have a toon in there. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
1851
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Posted - 2014.11.07 01:09:30 -
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BRAVE will connect in there via a S199, and suddenly 250 Moas who are all liable to DIAF to smartbombs, getting trapped in via having their hole rolled, and SD out en masse. Content!
J's before K's.
Prolapse. Turning holes inside out with pew pew.
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3916
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Posted - 2014.11.07 01:28:56 -
[55] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:Who will actually run the sites in there, everyone like me will have a toon in there. why would a nullseccer like you care about this system?
Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
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spaceghost69
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Triumvirate.
17
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Posted - 2014.11.07 04:44:40 -
[56] - Quote
Perma Tidi incoming |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
169
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Posted - 2014.11.07 05:49:53 -
[57] - Quote
more systems that may become important with no local!!
hell yeah! Unlikely to see many null bears in those lol...
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope...
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Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
382
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Posted - 2014.11.07 06:05:13 -
[58] - Quote
*Waits for RvB to move in* Blue in top station, Red in bottom. Let's roll fellas. |
Winthorp
2857
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Posted - 2014.11.07 06:22:11 -
[59] - Quote
Jack Miton wrote:Winthorp wrote:Who will actually run the sites in there, everyone like me will have a toon in there. why would a nullseccer like you care about this system?
I didn't expect this from you Jack? I still maintain toons in WH space for the jew jew but not the pew pew, is that so wrong.... |
Sirius Fidelis
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
43
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Posted - 2014.11.07 06:34:36 -
[60] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Winthorp wrote:Who will actually run the sites in there, everyone like me will have a toon in there. why would a nullseccer like you care about this system? I didn't expect this from you Jack? I still maintain toons in WH space for the jew jew but not the pew pew, is that so wrong....
You're what's wrong with w-space. |
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Winthorp
2858
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Posted - 2014.11.07 06:40:27 -
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Sirius Fidelis wrote:Winthorp wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Winthorp wrote:Who will actually run the sites in there, everyone like me will have a toon in there. why would a nullseccer like you care about this system? I didn't expect this from you Jack? I still maintain toons in WH space for the jew jew but not the pew pew, is that so wrong.... You're what's wrong with w-space.
You are whats wrong with humanity, grow some balls and stop posting on NPC alts. |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
153
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Posted - 2014.11.07 07:51:48 -
[62] - Quote
Rember guys the new Therra-space should look like a lawless jita version only in a system 20-100 times bigger. So ever tried to scan an off grid booster in jita? And found just the one yu were looking for? |
Starbuck05
C.Q.B
247
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Posted - 2014.11.07 08:41:51 -
[63] - Quote
Only thing i see from this is ships having to do multiple warps to get to one location
-á- I am the commanding officer , u should adress me as sir !
-á- But if i call u sir , what would i call your wife then ??
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
1955
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Posted - 2014.11.07 08:50:16 -
[64] - Quote
I'm interested to hear more about the new systems. I hope that the cloning facility in Thera only allow you to swap clones within that system or possibly jump to another wormhole station with stations in. But why no wormhole statics? That part is a bit disappointing but i'll have to wait to hear more before i can understand that decision i guess.
One point of concern is the fact that Thera sounds like it will be dominated by one large coalition.
+1
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Anthar Thebess
797
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Posted - 2014.11.07 09:14:20 -
[65] - Quote
All player constructed stargates link to this system
PHOEBE Retrospective
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Marox Calendale
Human League
33
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Posted - 2014.11.07 10:09:37 -
[66] - Quote
Tiger Tesla wrote:Maybe this will be CCP's attempt to still get the "media numbers" from having large space battles. Slow night? Tired of ratting/scanning/roaming? Oh, I hear there is a fight brewing in Thera.
All of K-space (and wormholers with connections to k-space or thera proper) jump clone into HUGE battles. No travel time needed. You always know what system it will be happening in. Yeah, because HUGE battles with Tidi going down to 1% is what all Eve Players want...
Quote:It might be hard to get to the first time, but once you can put a clone there you can always find your way back.
That reason alone might make it a huge market for PvP. No Caps, No Cynos, no idea how many people are in system. Maybe your 30 man fleet is the big fish. Maybe there is a 100 man fleet combat scanning you down. Maybe there is a 500 man group about to land on your brawl. I predict more than 100 Scanprobes all the time being working is this System. All wormholers ara able to scan, even mostly every WH alt is able to scan. Even if Thera will be really as 1.000 AU big it won-¦t be a big deal to bring on more scanners. This may be only an issue for nullbears. |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
153
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Posted - 2014.11.07 10:56:09 -
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Bad that it is in stations though. In a pos you can d-scan and see if anyone is out of the shields. A system with no local and only stations... . Anyone up for a alpha strike fleet outside of the stations? The first one poking his head out will go boom. Or vice versa, you hang at a station in a 10 man fleet and then 100 man fleet undocks, or 2 fleets of 100not friendly to each other... .
Well at least many many many more people will now get to know why docking in wormholes(and by extensions stationgames) is a no no... . |
RudinV
Hard Knocks Inc. Irresponsible Use of Capital.
451
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Posted - 2014.11.07 11:02:46 -
[68] - Quote
funny, looks like most of the peeps here never heard/used insta undock bookmarks |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
228
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Posted - 2014.11.07 11:14:47 -
[69] - Quote
unimatrix0030 wrote:Bad that it is in stations though. In a pos you can d-scan and see if anyone is out of the shields. A system with no local and only stations... . Anyone up for a alpha strike fleet outside of the stations? The first one poking his head out will go boom. Or vice versa, you hang at a station in a 10 man fleet and then 100 man fleet undocks, or 2 fleets of 100not friendly to each other... .
Well at least many many many more people will now get to know why docking in wormholes(and by extensions stationgames) is a no no... .
Which of the 420 (reddit rumor) stations in that system do you plan to camp?
~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1519
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Posted - 2014.11.07 11:17:12 -
[70] - Quote
Did he say no local or no immediate local? Wouldn't be surprised if it was delayed or something.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.11.07 11:17:28 -
[71] - Quote
calaretu wrote:Which of the 420 (reddit rumor) stations in that system do you plan to camp?
Those with most / enough guests on the Station? |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
736
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Posted - 2014.11.07 11:22:04 -
[72] - Quote
HoruSeth wrote:calaretu wrote:Which of the 420 (reddit rumor) stations in that system do you plan to camp? Those with most / enough guests on the Station?
Thera IV-4 ofc. If you don't camp the one station with the market, you're doing something wrong.
RudinV wrote:funny, looks like most of the peeps here never heard/used insta undock bookmarks
#Bubbles
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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marVLs
665
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Posted - 2014.11.07 11:27:20 -
[73] - Quote
I hope bubbles won't be allowed there... |
Winthorp
2858
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Posted - 2014.11.07 11:29:29 -
[74] - Quote
marVLs wrote:I hope bubbles won't be allowed there...
Stay in HS if you don't like bubbles. |
Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
44
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Posted - 2014.11.07 11:35:47 -
[75] - Quote
I can't see why there would be more than a limited market there to supply local demand. It's difficult to supply in large quantities, and there is no reason to go to a system which is constantly moving around to trade when you could just go to Jita.
If it has some kind of special quality about it then it'll become dominated by one coalition, if it doesn't then it'll become a wasteland - beyond a certain size things kind of cease to matter - why would you go looking for fights in a system where you couldn't even use dscan properly (because every celestial is separated by much more than 14AU). |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
153
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Posted - 2014.11.07 11:38:40 -
[76] - Quote
marVLs wrote:I hope bubbles won't be allowed there... Security status 0 so expect bubbles and lots of them, in all flavors . |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1334
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Posted - 2014.11.07 12:03:58 -
[77] - Quote
Whilst we have absolutely no idea of how CCP will handle stations, or the space for that matter, the main trading station, would become unuseable if there is not a mechanism to keep access to it open.
Putting a station in a wormhole is a honeypot. Whilst one can think lots of content creation must be good ? Right? What would actually occur is they become suicide zones. You could reduce or increase ones personal opportunity to increase risk or lower it only marginally. Just being there will ensure combat 99 times out of 100.
So the logical, simplest, way to handle this situation is to have VERY high power station guns that reach all of the stations grid, that react to any agressive action, swiftly and viciously!
This would be similar to a port in the carribean during the privateer/pirate days, no one would fight in the port, or get a cannon ball up ones raggity arse!
Outside the port? Well we all know how lawless that was! No shortage of conflict there!
There will be many places to find combat, rather than hanging around at the station closing down all activity and trade.
I am sure CCP will have thought of this and have their own solutions, as they naturally want the new space to be used by many.
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Winthorp
2858
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Posted - 2014.11.07 12:08:19 -
[78] - Quote
Necharo Rackham wrote:I can't see why there would be more than a limited market there to supply local demand. It's difficult to supply in large quantities, and there is no reason to go to a system which is constantly moving around to trade when you could just go to Jita.
To touch on this for a moment, if your popped outside your chain into HS and there was a fully stocked market just slightly above Jita prices would you burn the 13 jumps to Jita to buy what you needed?
Market nerds would inturn also be well aware that the people that would open up into Thera potentially might have really ****** routes to Jita and may see the benefit in stocking this market up to a healthy point. Those sellers might also avoid the 0.01 mouse scroll war a little.
Also if it does become a system full of conflict then obviously the basic war items would be in demand locally and not just from the random spawn in WhHs. |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
873
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Posted - 2014.11.07 12:19:55 -
[79] - Quote
spaceghost69 wrote:Perma Tidi incoming
they have a plan in place.
it wont be 420 stations fozzies corrected that rumor on twitter.
Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
1955
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Posted - 2014.11.07 12:44:35 -
[80] - Quote
Why no wormhole statics Corbexx? is there a reason other than "just because"?
IMO it would be cool to have one static for the 6 classes of wormhole system... Or could it be that CCP have listening to me and they're going to allow wormholers to build a wormhole generator to gain access to these new systems??
+1
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3919
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Posted - 2014.11.07 12:58:43 -
[81] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Winthorp wrote:Who will actually run the sites in there, everyone like me will have a toon in there. why would a nullseccer like you care about this system? I didn't expect this from you Jack? I still maintain toons in WH space for the jew jew but not the pew pew, is that so wrong.... like every good PL lemming...
Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3919
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Posted - 2014.11.07 13:00:32 -
[82] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Or could it be that CCP have listening to me god i hope not...
Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
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calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
228
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Posted - 2014.11.07 13:02:32 -
[83] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Why no wormhole statics Corbexx? is there a reason other than "just because"? IMO it would be cool to have one static for the 6 classes of wormhole system... Or could it be that CCP have listening to me and they're going to allow wormholers to build a wormhole generator to gain access to these new systems??
If so that would certainly make it a tradehub for wormholespace and also you would have perma connection from all the big groups to brawl eachother 23.75/7
~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
1955
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Posted - 2014.11.07 14:28:59 -
[84] - Quote
Jack Miton wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Or could it be that CCP have listening to me god i hope not...
Unfurtunatly for your Spack Mitton, they already have: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=405240#post405240
Your welcome btw
+1
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
826
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Posted - 2014.11.07 14:58:28 -
[85] - Quote
Aivo Dresden wrote:*Waits for RvB to move in* Blue in top station, Red in bottom. Let's roll fellas.
That probably won't happen. They'd run the risk of losing all their Poco's in highsec (that is pretty much how they pay for their losses and then some).
We are making some pretty big assumptions, which in most respects is warranted as we don't have much information. The questions that need to be answered.
1) How many wormholes are there theoretically could connect to this space 2) How large in AU is this space 3) How many space stations are in this space 4) What is the un-announced effect of this wormhole (there is one, they did not say) 5) Can people set medical clones here 6) Can people set Jump clones here 7) How large are the wormholes connecting to kspace (remember, kspace includes highsec, lowsec and nullsec). 8) Will freighters, the tug, the Orca, and the Rorqual (as they are capitals) be able to access this space. 9) Will the wormholes be collapsible, or will they regenerate (ala frig wormhole) 10) Will there be missions here (its a NPC station) 11) Will there be taxes here for selling stuff (new trade hub, why would we use this over jita) 12) Will there be docking fees. 13) What type of sleeper sites will be here (no capitals,can't escalate, no bounties, to Deployable pointless) 14) Will local be banned here (more than just no local, because if this turns into a major market hub, the jitabots will just spam the everliving daylights out of it, making no local pretty pointless). 15) How many of these new types of wormhole spaces will their be. Fozzie just spoke about this one, but mentioned that there will be others (possibly in the same release?) 16) How will grids work (this one is important as this space is enormous). 17) Can people buy an office here?
There's a bunch of questions, with no answers atm.
Yaay!!!!
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calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
228
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Posted - 2014.11.07 15:02:53 -
[86] - Quote
I would actually prefer if we were given no anwers but would have to discover it ourself. Like the original launch of wormholes
~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
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MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
121
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Posted - 2014.11.07 15:06:58 -
[87] - Quote
Really interesting that they're going to have a special wormhole effect in that system. I heard from Fremen that it's going to be Isk doubling.
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man.
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
408
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Posted - 2014.11.07 15:15:43 -
[88] - Quote
Nash MacAllister wrote:It will be interesting to see how this plays out. It isn't beyond the realm of possibility that some sort of mutual agreement is reached among wh entities on system "rules". Of course, as was said, it could also be a Thunderdome. We shall see how CCP proceeds as it seems they have put a lot of planning and thought into this...
They probably didn't put very much in at all actually - and that's the brilliant part.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015
T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346
LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
214
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:11:46 -
[89] - Quote
calaretu wrote:I would actually prefer if we were given no anwers but would have to discover it ourself. Like the original launch of wormholes
This. It sure would be nice to have some actual mystery and plot rather than just a couple dozen people arguing about "facts" that are actually assumptions based on limited information at best....
Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...
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Athanor Ruthoern
United System's Commonwealth
15
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:17:43 -
[90] - Quote
I really hope Thera has 2 suns it would be cool. |
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Mr De Right
Privileged to be Afraid
1
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:21:20 -
[91] - Quote
I feel like when people find this system, they would just camp it to hell and leave cloaky scouts in it 24/7. That's why I propose this idea that I feel would make the wh seem a bit more special.
After an X amount of time of your ship being inside the wormhole, (24 hours maybe?) your pod/ship/whatever will automatically exit the wormhole in some way shape or fashion. Concord would warp to them (Cloaky or not) and proceed to destroy their ship they do some magic and transport your pod outside of the WH? Or maybe after an X amount of time they start experiencing side effects to their ship. This is just an idea, but I feel like after a while this wormhole would become normal and not that special anymore. If there was the factor that you could only be in that system for an X amount of time before something happens it would make the wormhole a bit more exciting.
Also lore wise, maybe this is EARTH? Thera=Earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
827
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:47:14 -
[92] - Quote
Mr De Right wrote:I feel like when people find this system, they would just camp it to hell and leave cloaky scouts in it 24/7. That's why I propose this idea that I feel would make the wh seem a bit more special.
After an X amount of time of your ship being inside the wormhole, (24 hours maybe?) your pod/ship/whatever will automatically exit the wormhole in some way shape or fashion. Concord would warp to them (Cloaky or not) and proceed to destroy their ship they do some magic and transport your pod outside of the WH? Or maybe after an X amount of time they start experiencing side effects to their ship. This is just an idea, but I feel like after a while this wormhole would become normal and not that special anymore. If there was the factor that you could only be in that system for an X amount of time before something happens it would make the wormhole a bit more exciting.
Also lore wise, maybe this is EARTH? Thera=Earth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Assuming there will be 6+ wormholes, camping this will be pretty difficult. There is no local to know you are there, and no way to keep a count on whose watching you. Camps work in kspace because their is a known route for people to travel for getting from a to b. Wormhole don't normally setup gate camps in wspace because the route is variable, prone to being scouted, and unproductive.
It's rare to see a gatecamp in wormholes space whose sole purpose is to camp the gate (it's usually done for hole control during an eviction, or to gank a ship. Perma camps without blops backup, and with the possible distance from backup.. Honestly I don't know.
There are potential issues with deployable bubbles never dying and filling up dscan. Boosters being everywhere boosting a giant system, market traders spamming local destroying the "immersion" of wormhole space. Tidi from fleets of a hundred all undocking at once, endless combat probes being deployed everywhere to cover everything just to "grief" (wormhole space version of an afk camper, or in this case, group camper). There are the station games, jump cloning, Etc.
There are some questionable potential issues with the space that won't be known or delved into until it's on sisi.
Yaay!!!!
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
154
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:58:39 -
[93] - Quote
If the system is realy large backup doesn't need to be blackops. If there are 192 au warps then it is like deepsafes. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
827
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:10:50 -
[94] - Quote
unimatrix0030 wrote:If the system is realy large backup doesn't need to be blackops. If there are 192 au warps then it is like deepsafes.
Largest systems 142 au radius, or 284 diameter. This system will be larger than 142 au. 200 to 300 is possible, maybe more.
So warping your gang from a station to target may take you a few minutes.
Yaay!!!!
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Winthorp
2858
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:15:18 -
[95] - Quote
Phoenix Jones wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:If the system is realy large backup doesn't need to be blackops. If there are 192 au warps then it is like deepsafes. Largest systems 142 au radius, or 284 diameter. This system will be larger than 142 au. 200 to 300 is possible, maybe more. So warping your gang from a station to target may take you a few minutes.
I thought i heard 1000au? |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1336
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Posted - 2014.11.07 21:13:08 -
[96] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:If the system is realy large backup doesn't need to be blackops. If there are 192 au warps then it is like deepsafes. Largest systems 142 au radius, or 284 diameter. This system will be larger than 142 au. 200 to 300 is possible, maybe more. So warping your gang from a station to target may take you a few minutes. I thought i heard 1000au?
I saw that mentioned, but i think that was an "internet" number plucked out of someones wormhole at random.
As Fozzie referred to the fifth space, could we be talking hundreds of systems wide? Who knows, well Fozzie does and he is keeping it secret
[u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
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Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
45
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Posted - 2014.11.07 22:12:37 -
[97] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:[quote=Necharo Rackham] Also if it does become a system full of conflict then obviously the basic war items would be in demand locally and not just from the random spawn in WHs.
Sure - but becoming another third rate trade hub doesn't actually bring it much activity (think Stacmon or Oursulaert) |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3921
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Posted - 2014.11.07 22:40:19 -
[98] - Quote
Athanor Ruthoern wrote:I really hope Thera has 2 suns it would be cool. they did mention it has a unique sun so that's a possibility.
Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
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Rahmiro
Discrete Astrographic Reconnaissance Technologies
67
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:30:07 -
[99] - Quote
Athanor Ruthoern wrote:I really hope Thera has 2 suns it would be cool.
Two suns, son!
I call my man "son" cause he shines like one!
I never seen these people in my life.
I don't recognize them Your Honor
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Agatir Solenth
Servants of the Throne Worlds
30
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Posted - 2014.11.08 02:50:42 -
[100] - Quote
Why do I see this "large" system having locations that gates will be anchored/built and then jump to adjacent space, which will happen to be large spaces that gates will be built and connect to more spaces... |
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
1855
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Posted - 2014.11.08 05:32:35 -
[101] - Quote
I'm going to AFK cloak the hell out of this system!!!
Actually, I reckon this is a fob off to HK, because it's basically tailor made (except for the no caps bit) for their M.O. of living in a wormhole and terrorising bears in capitals in nullsec 23.75/7. It is basically a wormhole made for that playstyle, except you don't have to pay to fuel the station and no one can nick all your stuff.
Therefore, if and when we connect to Thera, we will just sit in our POS's in our wormhole in amusingly named ships, and POS spin until the yawnfest goes away.
I do like the idea of RVB moving in. Why not? This beats that naff - absolutely naff - idea of a thunderdome deployable. Like, serioussly, when I read that part of the CSM Minutes I had a mega catatonic eyeroll so epic it flung me from my seat. This is a more elegant solution.
The only problem with RVB moving in is they might have to fight other people, who they won't know are there. And who might bring something better than an Atron.
As for the Q.Q over the stations being camped? Lel. Did anyone camp BRAVE in Sendaya or wherever they have washed up now? Yeah? Good. Go to Thera. It'll be like that, except with Bhaalgorns and stupid.
J's before K's.
Prolapse. Turning holes inside out with pew pew.
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Utari Onzo
United System's Commonwealth
9
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Posted - 2014.11.08 09:27:50 -
[102] - Quote
"Yo dawg! I heard you like EvE! So I put every kind of system in EvE, into a system in EvE, so you can station spin, while you POS spin!" |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3922
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Posted - 2014.11.08 09:33:35 -
[103] - Quote
Utari Onzo wrote:"Yo dawg! I heard you like EvE! So I put every kind of system in EvE, into a system in EvE, so you can station spin, while you POS spin!" actually you cant pos spin there
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Utari Onzo
United System's Commonwealth
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Posted - 2014.11.08 10:04:14 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:"Yo dawg! I heard you like EvE! So I put every kind of system in EvE, into a system in EvE, so you can station spin, while you POS spin!" actually you cant pos spin there
That hurt more when I read it then the fact it doesn't have w-space statics. What will I do without my POS spins? |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2014.11.08 10:31:35 -
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Unless this is a prototype for future null sec, ie large systems, no local, I really fail to see the point.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.11.08 19:46:30 -
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StarFleetCommander
V0LTA Triumvirate.
290
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Posted - 2014.11.08 21:29:05 -
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Just wanted to post about the length of the system
The current longest warp you can make in the game is:
9-266Q, from the H-PA29 gate to the BV-1JG gate. 283.34 AU.
So you can possibly expect this system to be twice as long, he said it will be by faaaaaaaar the longest system in eve, so maybe we are looking at 400-500au |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1391
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Posted - 2014.11.10 09:13:10 -
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StarFleetCommander wrote:Just wanted to post about the length of the system
The current longest warp you can make in the game is:
9-266Q, from the H-PA29 gate to the BV-1JG gate. 283.34 AU.
So you can possibly expect this system to be twice as long, he said it will be by faaaaaaaar the longest system in eve, so maybe we are looking at 400-500au
I didn't know that, thanks for the information!
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Yuka Mayaki
Gambrini
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Posted - 2014.11.10 15:19:25 -
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I actually don't get the point for this new system:
- As a TradeHub: Pretty useless because of risk - As a brawl Arena: well maybe, but there is nothing to win and no tears to shed - Interconnection for 0.0 wars: Nope, no Caps allowed
The only reason to make a system like this, would be that you can get a resource there that you can't get anywhere else. But then this won't be WH space anymore, since the Goons or whatever Nullbear just moves in with 20000ppl to dominate the resource.
So CCP: Why should i go there??? |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
737
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Posted - 2014.11.10 16:16:04 -
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Yuka Mayaki wrote:I actually don't get the point for this new system:
- As a TradeHub: Pretty useless because of risk - As a brawl Arena: well maybe, but there is nothing to win and no tears to shed - Interconnection for 0.0 wars: Nope, no Caps allowed
The only reason to make a system like this, would be that you can get a resource there that you can't get anywhere else. But then this won't be WH space anymore, since the Goons or whatever Nullbear just moves in with 20000ppl to dominate the resource.
So CCP: Why should i go there???
A system with a station that is one jump out of 5+ systems all over the map at any goven time does not strike you as a decent marketplace? What risk, it's a station, fyi it's really hard to keep one covered in bubbles completely, else warp-dock.
I'll most likely not have any backup there, but I'll give it a shot anyways (as to who would want to live there) and hopefully i can sustain myself further from pvp-loot (read: dead noctis), also: Besides me with that mindset, there are atleast dozens of other solo/smallscale guys to come, and surely a similar number of corps or social groups with a different mindset.
So I got no idea why you should go there, but I will try that newest **** in the hood and countless other guys are interested already. For us, there is a NPC station (**** fuel), presumably acceptable jobcosts, wormhole mechanics and no local. If you've been in w-space for a time, there's some brilliant compromises presented.
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Yuka Mayaki
Gambrini
0
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Posted - 2014.11.10 17:54:26 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:
I'll most likely not have any backup there, but I'll give it a shot anyways (as to who would want to live there) ...
I remember you guys trying to evict us like one year back. It was one of the most pleasant and enjoyable weekends we had.
So i got my reason: If you'll be around, we'll be too |
Lakshata Chawla
Blue-Fire
109
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Posted - 2014.11.10 19:22:49 -
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Yuka Mayaki wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:
I'll most likely not have any backup there, but I'll give it a shot anyways (as to who would want to live there) ...
I remember you guys trying to evict us like one year back. It was one of the most pleasant and enjoyable weekends we had. So i got my reason: If you'll be around, we'll be too I know we've seiged plenty of towers but I dont think weve ever intended an eviction :p.
Ill have a clone, jumpclone, and some ships there of course. I dont think ill live there. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
737
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Posted - 2014.11.10 20:51:48 -
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Lakshata Chawla wrote:Yuka Mayaki wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:
I'll most likely not have any backup there, but I'll give it a shot anyways (as to who would want to live there) ...
I remember you guys trying to evict us like one year back. It was one of the most pleasant and enjoyable weekends we had. So i got my reason: If you'll be around, we'll be too I know we've seiged plenty of towers but I dont think weve ever intended an eviction :p. Ill have a clone, jumpclone, and some ships there of course. I dont think ill live there.
I think it was that 30strong ishtar gang that was shooting a POS and we yolo'd a 15strong T3 gang in. 3 Guardians proven insufficient.
It also wasn't an eviction, you guys were lockable, that's all. If I don't mix that up, we went many holes.
Also, thanks - we share a timezone I believe
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Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.11.11 15:38:07 -
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Lets just call it New Rancer and make it simple |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1358
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Posted - 2014.11.12 00:05:05 -
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I very much doubt that they will make the main trade hub of There like Jita 4/4 with no local. And all the same mechanics
Whilst amusing for the first few hours, it would absolutely result in the failiure of their project, they have far more sense than this.
A few potential issues have been identified, and work arounds suggested.
Local spam, permanent hell camps making the development as a trade hub unlikely, remote boosts running for the whole width of an enormous system, have been clearly pointed out.
I mentioned this earlier ,
Personally I would imagine it like a port in the carribean in the haydays of the piracy there, ships were hunted, killed and looted all the time, but the few occasions, where it was attempted in sight of the main trade ports, a hail of cannonballs resulted in the destruction of the ships involved, and the swift execution of the offending crews. Others with more intelligence and survival instinct realised that doing so was not the best of ideas.
This allowed trade to florish, even if many ships and crews died in the waters out of sight of the ports.
This seems a practical and proven way to deal with this issue.
The local spam issue deserves the same punishment, an open airlock is also acceptable.
When looking for solutions to "problems" imagine what the station would do to those who pissed them off.
Great lore would be to allow it to be a deathzone for a week or so then announce the station owners taking matters into their own hands to keep the tradeways open. (After they unnanounced, blew the living hell out of those camping the station)
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flaming phantom
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
43
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:25:48 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Whilst we have absolutely no idea of how CCP will handle stations, or the space for that matter, the main trading station, would become unuseable if there is not a mechanism to keep access to it open.
Putting a station in a wormhole is a honeypot. Whilst one can think lots of content creation must be good ? Right? What would actually occur is they become suicide zones. You could reduce or increase ones personal opportunity to increase risk or lower it only marginally. Just being there will ensure combat 99 times out of 100.
So the logical, simplest, way to handle this situation is to have VERY high power station guns that reach all of the stations grid, that react to any agressive action, swiftly and viciously!
This would be similar to a port in the carribean during the privateer/pirate days, no one would fight in the port, or get a cannon ball up ones raggity arse!
Outside the port? Well we all know how lawless that was! No shortage of conflict there!
There will be many places to find combat, rather than hanging around at the station closing down all activity and trade.
I am sure CCP will have thought of this and have their own solutions, as they naturally want the new space to be used by many.
I think that oculd be interesting, Maybe just 1, or only a few, of the stations have incredible gate guns (like insta pop most ships). This would make it so at least 1 station could be a trade hub. There would still be a slight problem of being ganked, but you would have to dedicate a lot. The other stations could be there for people to "claim" and do their annyoing station games.
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MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
128
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Posted - 2014.11.13 16:43:39 -
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Looks like they're just making it so there are no anchored bubbles - only dictor/hictor bubbles, which is cool. Between that and the fix for hobojamming this system should be highly difficult to control without putting a large fleet on the field (read: vulnerable). I anticipated they would do this, and I'm glad they did.
All of this space sounds quite exciting. The frig-only systems in particular should be full of D3 fights. Should be interesting.
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man.
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
748
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:23:29 -
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In case you wonder, it looks like this: http://puu.sh/cPsAA/89f5f94299.jpg .
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3941
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:49:43 -
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so 2 of the 4 stations are right next to each other? sweet, so there's only really 3 stations. im sure the system wont be camped to **** at all!
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Firestorm Delta
Aphotic Machina
41
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:51:05 -
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Jack Miton wrote:so 2 of the 4 stations are right next to each other? sweet, so there's only really 3 stations. im sure the system wont be camped to **** at all!
Looks like just one station to me.
I'll probably try to check it out despite going against my better judgement. Just have to figure out what kind of ship to take in there since death is probably assured. Mission runners might like it for getting boosters into high sec without having to deal with the navy. I could see it becoming a trade hub for very specific things unless they give people a good reason to do production there. |
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
750
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Posted - 2014.11.13 23:31:49 -
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Those are actually two stations.
Thera also resembles swiss cheese on SiSi, wonder what it will look like on TQ
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
1960
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Posted - 2014.11.14 00:14:05 -
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Should have been a trade hub for wormhole space, not another one for k-space.
Also, allowing jump cloning into Thera seems pretty dumb.
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
750
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Posted - 2014.11.14 00:57:54 -
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Going into detail, careful spoiler:
- I'd like to have another zoomlevel. You can't zoom out far enough to get Thera onto a regular screen oO
- Scanning and bookmarking out the complete system at a slow pace took roughly 20 minutes, mainly because I kept capping out when warping, all V toon used without implants
- Some new holes are E587 (maybe null-statics, and V898 (maybe low-statics) and Q063 (obviously frigsized, found one to null and one to high with the same name)
- The system currently has 5 K162s from w-space, I believe 2 statics to low and null each, 4 nulls and 3 lows in total and 2 highsecs, one of those frigsized. So it currently has 14 connections, and a vital core.
- Probe Scanner
Camp that, m8.
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Winthorp
2875
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Posted - 2014.11.14 02:15:40 -
[124] - Quote
We anticipate this to be one of the busiest nullsec systems in EVE
^ The best line from the devblog..... |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
236
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Posted - 2014.11.14 11:29:42 -
[125] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:We anticipate this to be one of the busiest nullsec systems in EVE
^ The best line from the devblog.....
Its a hybrid system so a phrase I was told kngame might suit it : Wormsec
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1365
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Posted - 2014.11.16 15:33:39 -
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calaretu wrote:Winthorp wrote:We anticipate this to be one of the busiest nullsec systems in EVE
^ The best line from the devblog..... Its a hybrid system so a phrase I was told kngame might suit it : Wormsec
Well, wormholes are 0.0 or nullsec too, just not sovereign nullsec, Thera is more like wormhole space than soveign null, no local, sleepers, cloaky hunters, wormhole entrances, no cynos, no gates and all the rest.
Putting stations there does not make it any less our playground others will have to learn a few tricks to play in this type of Nullsec.
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Jur Tissant
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
316
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Posted - 2014.11.16 15:45:04 -
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I remain skeptical. Anything less than 50 wormholes will be easy enough for a dedicated large coalition to lock down, at least against larger ships, especially with Dictor bubbles still allowed. I can't imagine it'll be worthwhile to bring in your ships to run the sites either, it'll be a ganker's paradise.
"Mos Eisley in EVE" sounds nice, but in Mos Eisley you still behave yourself for fear of getting shot. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1365
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Posted - 2014.11.16 15:53:56 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:I remain skeptical. Anything less than 50 wormholes will be easy enough for a dedicated large coalition to lock down, at least against larger ships, especially with Dictor bubbles still allowed. I can't imagine it'll be worthwhile to bring in your ships to run the sites either, it'll be a ganker's paradise.
"Mos Eisley in EVE" sounds nice, but in Mos Eisley you still behave yourself for fear of getting shot.
I think this is one where we need to see how it goes, the fact that sleepers seem to appear at the landmarks, I have not seen them at the holes yet, but Sleepers are not your average gate rats, that may make camping difficuilt if so.
There is no reason to believe that this will not be watched, station defences could certainly deal with a sufreit of station camping, if that got out of control (which it probably will) and a couple of dozen sleepless guardians spawning on a hole would happily discourage even the most determined or sleepy camper.
From a lore basis, sleepers would react to concentrations of capsuleers, and those running the stations would be determined to keep their ability to operate freely without annoyance. If you ran a station in such lawless space, you would certainly have failed calm diplomacy 101.
Advanced overkill is more likely to have been their major
So IMHO too early to worry, most likely already well thought out, and will provide some fun surprises.
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Taneleer TheCollector
EVE Archive
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Posted - 2014.12.05 12:34:42 -
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There is a chat channel called "Archive Thera" That will have entrance system info. |
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