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Dukath	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:29:00 - [1] Reading all the insta and bookmark threads i believe it is time to create a PvP shard. Just give us 1 node at first, only 1 region if needed (all the rest unexplored) with the good old settings back from beta. - region chat, only show up when you speak - bookmarks fixed to anchored objects (containers, stations, gates, asteroids, ...) - anchoring skill limits the amount of containers you can anchor - persistent ships (when you disconnect you get autowarp, when you do a clean logoff you stay where you were. - no 0.0 NPC stations - faction standings mean something everywhere. Gallente start with -5 on caldari and vice versa. Standing affects docking rights/fees, rights to use station facilities, being shot by navy. - new characters get the sec status of the deleted character of that player slot (prevent recycling suicide gankers) - only 1 alt in space at a time. (one of your 3 characters is in space or not inside a POS shield? then you cannot undock or leave a POS shield the other 2 characters¦ - no insurance when you initiate combat and you die during aggression timer - get the old NPC spawns back, ie: a mix of battleships, cruisers and frigs, especially those that scrambled NPCing is just braindead simple on tranq. - no instant warp when already aligned. Introduce a calibration timer that is affected by agility (so nothing changes for ships standing still). A ship warps when its aligned and calibrated. Ships already aligned will still need to calibrate before warping - split the dual bonus modules such as tracking computers and sensor boosters - 5% of armor damage can only be repaired inside a station (you get hit for 100 damage, 5 of those damage get a special flag so that it doesn't get repaired.) - hull damage progresses downwards. 99% hull left will over time go to 98%, then 97%. The lower your current hull, the faster it goes down. A hull repairer or damage control reduces the rate it goes down. It can only be fixed at a station or a special POS module. Some of these things used to be in there but got nerfed away in favour of the carebears, other things are new which i think will make it a more interesting pvp game. As for the creating an extra shard will ruin the game, I don't think it will in this case, since all other examples are creating a non-pvp shard, here i do want a pvp shard since tranquility is getting more non-pvp by the minute PS: carebears don't bother to reply since this is not meant for you, you already got tranquility that you are ruining.
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:30:00 - [2] Im a pvper. **** off. -------------------------- 0.01 ISK to the first mod that writes in my sig! :D Pay cash value in cookies plskthx - Immy Oh man thats gonna be a lot of cookies. Make them chocolate chip aswell - Xorus
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:33:00 - [3] Edited by: Chronus26 on 01/09/2006 10:33:54 Simple answer: no. You dont realize just how closed-minded and simply rude you are being. Plus, your 'pvp' server would fail, think along the lines of player driven market. ----- Move along, nothign to see here...
Tao Han Caldari Crucial Electronics	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:33:00 - [4] Originally by: Major Stormer Im a pvper. **** off. QFAT
Pestillence Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:33:00 - [5] No.
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Major Stormer Im a pvper. **** off. I wholeheartedly endorse this product and/or service. Hey that sig reminds me of my tempest - Xorus
Michiyo Daishi Royal Knights of Khanid	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:34:00 - [7] not this again. If you want PvP, go to lowsec/0.0/hunt wartargets and go shoot them. Seriously, if you want a dedicated zone for PvP, you'd just basically made EVE like all the other cookie-cutter MMO's out there (including EWWW WoW), which is definately not what CCP wants to do with EVE. EVE is meant to be a gameworld, and as such as a virtual world, if you want something done, do it yourself. Go organize your own arena, see if people will like it. Oh and FYI, I like the idea of being possibly ganked/will gank someone without me/them knowing and thus, not being prepared. Its what CCP wants, as real as EVE can get, including the risks in less savory areas of town, like IRL. Seriously, since when has TQ become more "carebear" friendly? - want a sig like mine? 5m! Woot first, maybe Eris will poke it later - Xorus I¦ll be gentle *WHIPS* that was me being gentle -eris
Captain Logic	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:35:00 - [8] lol @ the simpletons flooding this thread Completely reasonable suggestion. CCP should do it.
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:36:00 - [9] How about no? We already have a pvp shard - it's called Tranquility. If you want counterstrike-style pvp, log on to sisi and the go to the FFA. ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Xaroth Brook Minmatar Doomcraft R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:37:00 - [10] Simply said.. "No". Yes I pvp, Yes I carebear.. why? Simple. 99% of the market is player driven, only pvp, no carebears, no carebears, no market.. no market, no pvp. In other words, enjoy yourself on your one-man server, I'm sure you'll have a ship to fly. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Xaroth Brook Brainiac of Doomcraft Member of R I S E
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:38:00 - [11] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 01/09/2006 10:40:40 Eve is already a PvP shard. Or, if your plan is to have only PvP on a new shard, why have any npcs? Quote: get the old NPC spawns back, ie: a mix of battleships, cruisers and frigs, especially those that scrambled NPCing is just braindead simple on tranq. Seems out of place in a PvP shard to me. Splitting Eve into non-PvP and PvP shards would kill Eve. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:38:00 - [12] Go play wow battleground or some **e Originally by:** Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Michiyo Daishi Royal Knights of Khanid	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Captain Logic lol @ the simpletons flooding this thread Completely reasonable suggestion. CCP should do it. CCP's done it. Its called Tranquility. Not your cup of tea? Try Sisi. - want a sig like mine? 5m! Woot first, maybe Eris will poke it later - Xorus I¦ll be gentle *WHIPS* that was me being gentle -eris
Twilight Moon Minmatar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Gabriel Karade How about no? We already have a pvp shard - it's called Tranquility. If you want counterstrike-style pvp, log on to sisi and the go to the FFA. QFT. ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:43:00 - [15] Zip it! -------------- Dang nabit
Voltron Caldari Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:50:00 - [16] Worst Idea Ever.........also we have a PVP server its called Singularity. j/k its called Tranquility Volt
Sku1ly STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:52:00 - [17] SiSi. STK-S
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:53:00 - [18] Please don't. Save your resources to give me an ego stroking 'James Lyrus is great' shard. Just me able to login, so I can be the ruler of the EVE universe, and pretend you are all my peons. I mean, it's not so different to the real EVE universe after all, so it'd only be a minor change.
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.01 10:54:00 - [19] insert random flame - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Kerfira	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:04:00 - [20] No...... It wouldn't be profitable to create an entire shard for only 7 players.....
EvilNate Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:04:00 - [21] Edited by: EvilNate on 01/09/2006 11:04:06 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists insert random flame QFT -------- www.bydi.org
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:07:00 - [22] how much time did you invest thinking about this **? 10 seconds? Originally by:** Dukath - persistent ships (when you disconnect you get autowarp, when you do a clean logoff you stay where you were. how can the server know what made me disconnect? what stops me from just pulling the network cable instead of clicking ctrl-q? or typing adsl-stop? Originally by: Dukath - no 0.0 NPC stations which pvper would want to run POS, fuel em, shoot them....?!? make the redock timer after undocking and the timer after deagressing 10 minutes. 99% of problems with npc stations fixed. Originally by: Dukath - faction standings mean something everywhere. Gallente start with -5 on caldari and vice versa. Standing affects docking rights/fees, rights to use station facilities, being shot by navy. pvp server != role play server Originally by: Dukath - only 1 alt in space at a time. (one of your 3 characters is in space or not inside a POS shield? then you cannot undock or leave a POS shield the other 2 characters¦ how is CCP/the_server supposed to find out if those other 2 chars are my brothers/mates or me?!? --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Ank Myrandor Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:11:00 - [23] when do people realize , when you don't like the game as it is ? don't flame the forums for a perfect game to a lot of us , but go and buy yourself some borland c++ and i'll see ya in a few years. and yes in the meanwhile pls play all the other mmo's out there that looks all the same but only with other skinns and names for skills and grind stuff... eve stands out with their community and all us pvp'ers are proud of it ... high sec i don't care , low sec and 0.0 is still the bomb with pvp if you think pvp isn't out there come visit the church u muppet , were very happy to "retrieve" some donations out of ya forums of normal mmo's can be whine-forums pls let the eve forum for the major good people that like playing games and like the way that ccp actually build the game intentionally !
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:11:00 - [24] This idea is just as good as the idea for non-PvP server for carebears. ...really.... snip This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
Captain Logic	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:13:00 - [25] I wonder how many more people are going to completely miss/ignore Dukath's point for the sake of making generic and trendy "new shard" flame posts.
Ank Myrandor Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:18:00 - [26] okay lets reply then on a decent way you alt .... why pvp in a section away from the rest of eve ? eve is a regional game , and that means that everyone is affected by wars from 0.0 regional wars in empire with wars or anything thats just coming up what dukath want is a seperate pvp section and that means just like in wow a battleground i said in wow ( when battlegrounds came up ) if i want to play unreal tournament with capture the flag i'll play unreal tournament ( oldskool ) [ don't flame me that i tried wow yes , ran straight back though ] so its the same here , if i want to battle some pvp i'll play a shooter or some other game that doesn't have wat it takes but just blowing stuff up for fun... in eve you have to earn your pvp status and your pvp stuff, if you can't deal with that kind of adrenaline, pls go back to some FPS were your hearth won't have a stroke every 14 seconds ! ( yes i'm addicted to it ) seperate grounds equals just some fps lookalike game go find yourself some FPS instead or whine in a battleground in wow :D thats why everyone is flaming here, its just the same only your so carebear you don't even realize it
Deidranna SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:22:00 - [27] Edited by: Deidranna on 01/09/2006 11:22:33 eve is one universe, ONE your actions have consequences. if you dont like it, go play wow (as its the most used flame lately, i stick to it ^^) deidranna GM Eldini > Hi, behaving are we?
Captain Logic	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:23:00 - [28] Surprise. You missed the point again. HINT: It's not actually about a new shard. Try again.
Ank Myrandor Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:25:00 - [29] i'm not even gonna comment on some stupid ideas he has given , some i like a little though but no i'm not putting any efford in that
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:26:00 - [30] Originally by: Michiyo Daishi Seriously, since when has TQ become more "carebear" friendly? heh, you havent played the game for very long have you ______________ Pod from above.
Irimi Nage Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:27:00 - [31] I agree with Dukky. ---
Shiraz Merlot Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:29:00 - [32] sounds really boring. ccp, don't waste your time on this. Can we have a sticky for Frequently Raised Threads? "I want a PvP Battleground, like WoW" must be one of the most persistent whinges.
Ank Myrandor Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:30:00 - [33] Originally by: Admiral Pieg Originally by: Michiyo Daishi Seriously, since when has TQ become more "carebear" friendly? heh, you havent played the game for very long have you if you don't like it , war some corps that only stick in high-sec and totally obliterate them , if you think their taking over, just bring them back in their place ....... eve gives ya the oppertunity ccp approves of pvp , use it then .... and don't whine with some 30 million sp character
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:31:00 - [34] Well if Captain Logic-slash-Dukath would be a little less obtuse in making their point, perhaps the flames wouldn't rise so high. As for changing settings on a single node or region, you defeat the entire "one universe" that EVE is. Your idea blows chunks, tbh , and I'm not usually that harsh about others postings. Adapt and overcome, or go do something else. You don't like the way things are, well oh shucks, and as someone else mentioned, c++ and a few years down the road and perhaps you'll have your own forums where users ride the waaaambulance about your own game. ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Krist Valentine Amarr Bad Omen Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.01 11:37:00 - [35] I'm a PVP'er. Don't. - - - - -
McTaggart Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.01 12:34:00 - [36] I thought this was the pvp shard...
Infinity Ziona Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.01 12:43:00 - [37] Its more a Run-From-PvP-Till-You-Have-So-Many-People-You-Cant-Possibly-Lose-The-Fight-Shard. Have you ever tried to catch someone and force them to 1 vs 1 or even 2 or 3 vs 1 you. Its rediculously hard to do unless they totally overpoweringly can smack you down. Hell I have even suicided a few times just to actually get a fight. If you dont believe me, go try it out now. People are so risk averse I dont expect you to report the results for a few days Click Me
Mrmuttley Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.09.01 12:48:00 - [38] Originally by: Major Stormer Im a pvper. ** off. That seems to sum up my thoughts too ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am Dyslexic of Borg. Your ass will be laminated. Originally by:** Rod Blaine Eve is not supposed to be fair
Steven Dynahir Gallente Avaruuslaivanrakentajat Oyj	Posted - 2006.09.01 13:08:00 - [39] Nah, Simper solution. 1) Make armour repairers consume 1 unit of tritanium for each HP repaired. 2) Make stationary objects move some 1000km each downtime 3) Make closest jump in point to 100km. --- Sell orders Recruitment
Sjoor S.A.S	Posted - 2006.09.01 13:16:00 - [40] Yippie, all for it.. A pvp shard means a non pvp shard as well.. Finally I can mine krokite in peace, now worriez about getting killed. Can we leave the NPC's out as well. Get a whole new mining shard. Next week I wanna NPC, can we have an endless stream of NPC's lining up with every 30th spawn a officer and every 300 an estamel or whatever they are called. Two weeks later I wanna do some marketing stuff, thats an easy shard, only stations needed, no space anymore. Maybe introduce new clonejumps so u can jump from 1 shard to another and adjust ur implants to what u are doing. Of course this needs a new set of implants, market orientated. I really like this idea, maybe it will make Kali III. Endless extensions possible as well, Kali IV could introduce a chatting shard. Imagine the possibility's, u don't need to do mining, ratting, pvp, sell and buy orders, research crap. Just nicely chatting away about the next shard to be introduced. Going a little on, blabla, kali V could introduce a videochat. Camera translates the moves u make to your character, no more static faces. I love it, it's great ---- Insta solution Remove aggro reset on jump, remove secure can concord flagging
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.01 13:35:00 - [41] Can I have a shard where everyone buys my stuff as soon as I put it on the market? I want to be teh rich. ----------
Steven Dynahir Gallente Avaruuslaivanrakentajat Oyj	Posted - 2006.09.01 13:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Crumplecorn Can I have a shard where everyone buys my stuff as soon as I put it on the market? I want to be teh rich. Are you one of my escaped jump-clones? --- Sell orders Recruitment
Tas Devil JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.09.01 14:05:00 - [43] Originally by: Sjoor Yippie, all for it.. A pvp shard means a non pvp shard as well.. Finally I can mine krokite in peace, now worriez about getting killed. Can we leave the NPC's out as well. Get a whole new mining shard. Next week I wanna NPC, can we have an endless stream of NPC's lining up with every 30th spawn a officer and every 300 an estamel or whatever they are called. Two weeks later I wanna do some marketing stuff, thats an easy shard, only stations needed, no space anymore. Maybe introduce new clonejumps so u can jump from 1 shard to another and adjust ur implants to what u are doing. Of course this needs a new set of implants, market orientated. I really like this idea, maybe it will make Kali III. Endless extensions possible as well, Kali IV could introduce a chatting shard. Imagine the possibility's, u don't need to do mining, ratting, pvp, sell and buy orders, research crap. Just nicely chatting away about the next shard to be introduced. Going a little on, blabla, kali V could introduce a videochat. Camera translates the moves u make to your character, no more static faces. I love it, it's great Spot on ... but you forget the 'silly idea' specialty shard for the OP... The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to Killer8 for this ! Oh and apparently the mods tell me there is bad language on his site so beware kids :)
Price Watcher	Posted - 2006.09.01 14:21:00 - [44] Originally by: Dukath PS: carebears don't bother to reply since this is not meant for you, you already got tranquility that you are ruining. Do you very often give orders that you have no power to enforce? We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES.
Lygos ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.01 14:37:00 - [45] Aren't corps restricted to 3 outbound wars though? How can this possibly appease the need for violence? I would need more than that just to keep gank squads or patrols busy. About 20-40 wars would probably be sufficient to do reasonable business for clients.
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2006.09.01 14:51:00 - [46] NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO N --------------------------------------------- I nerfed my own sig :( I helped - Cortes Damn you Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast - Xorus
mechtech	Posted - 2006.09.01 15:08:00 - [47] no shards, period. I would support an alternate ruleset region that was CONNECTED to the rest of eve though, that would be fun.
Grim Vandal	Posted - 2006.09.01 15:15:00 - [48] Originally by: Dukath Reading all the insta and bookmark threads i believe it is time to create a PvP shard. Just give us 1 node at first, only 1 region if needed (all the rest unexplored) with the good old settings back from beta. - region chat, only show up when you speak - bookmarks fixed to anchored objects (containers, stations, gates, asteroids, ...) - anchoring skill limits the amount of containers you can anchor - persistent ships (when you disconnect you get autowarp, when you do a clean logoff you stay where you were. - no 0.0 NPC stations - faction standings mean something everywhere. Gallente start with -5 on caldari and vice versa. Standing affects docking rights/fees, rights to use station facilities, being shot by navy. - new characters get the sec status of the deleted character of that player slot (prevent recycling suicide gankers) - only 1 alt in space at a time. (one of your 3 characters is in space or not inside a POS shield? then you cannot undock or leave a POS shield the other 2 characters¦ - no insurance when you initiate combat and you die during aggression timer - get the old NPC spawns back, ie: a mix of battleships, cruisers and frigs, especially those that scrambled NPCing is just braindead simple on tranq. - no instant warp when already aligned. Introduce a calibration timer that is affected by agility (so nothing changes for ships standing still). A ship warps when its aligned and calibrated. Ships already aligned will still need to calibrate before warping - split the dual bonus modules such as tracking computers and sensor boosters - 5% of armor damage can only be repaired inside a station (you get hit for 100 damage, 5 of those damage get a special flag so that it doesn't get repaired.) - hull damage progresses downwards. 99% hull left will over time go to 98%, then 97%. The lower your current hull, the faster it goes down. A hull repairer or damage control reduces the rate it goes down. It can only be fixed at a station or a special POS module. Some of these things used to be in there but got nerfed away in favour of the carebears, other things are new which i think will make it a more interesting pvp game. As for the creating an extra shard will ruin the game, I don't think it will in this case, since all other examples are creating a non-pvp shard, here i do want a pvp shard since tranquility is getting more non-pvp by the minute PS: carebears don't bother to reply since this is not meant for you, you already got tranquility that you are ruining. I like it very much ... but as you see even our "so called pvpers are" carebearish at heart, shame on them ... it will not happen simply because players like us who like to have a challenge are a minority ... face it, we are too few ... ccp noticed that quite early (shiva patch) and made changes which appeal to carebears way more than to us. that's it, atm there is simply no other game on the whole planet which is even close to eve ... that being said there is no hope at all that we will get what we want in the upcomming 10 years ... I for myself will wait for the instas nerf, and judge after that if I will continue paying ccp for my sub ... Greetings Grim
Karoth Tyu FATAL REVELATIONS	Posted - 2006.09.01 15:28:00 - [49] Petition to rename this thread "A One Step Method to Making Eve Suck". /signed
Nihn Lemai	Posted - 2006.09.01 15:51:00 - [50] No. --- I want instas gone... now
Marcus Aurelius Colossus Security Services	Posted - 2006.09.01 16:01:00 - [51] Why shard anything for this ? Just implement in on TQ, in 0.0. Eve has too little meaning. Losses mean next to nothing at the upscale end of gameplay now. Rod Blaine is on holiday, I'm replacing for the moment
Witch Doctor Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.01 16:05:00 - [52] I think the OP might have established a new record for going 0-to-Ginger in terms of community hatred with just a single post.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.09.01 16:11:00 - [53] Edited by: Xelios on 01/09/2006 16:14:03 Originally by: Captain Logic lol @ the simpletons flooding this thread Completely reasonable suggestion. CCP should do it. lol @ the alt who won't even post with his main to support the idea. Probably because Dukath is his main. The new BFG.
Roy Batty68	Posted - 2006.09.01 16:11:00 - [54] I only want to blow stuff up - you people who only want to build stuff are ruining my game. I only want to build stuff - you people who only want to watch stuff blow up are ruining my game. I only want to play the market - you people who shoot me while I'm driving my indy are ruining my game. I only want to roleplay - you UgotPwnt and BuyMy***zle people are ruining my game. I only want to 0.0 war, ya know, the real* game - you lazy low sec snippers and empire huggers are ruining my game. I only want to run missions - you "nerf missions to get people out of empire" whiners are trying to ruin my game. ... This could go on awhile. Point is that what makes Eve EVE is the existance of all these playstyles in one pot. Make the pot favor only one playstyle and at the very least it won't be a very popular place... Use of the term Carebear is a generalization and quite lazy. I have seen evidence of self proclaimed "Pirate/Hardcore PVPers" asking for make things easier for me like things just as much as the supposed Carebears. So, in my mind, saying things like carebears don't bother to reply since this is not meant for you, you already got tranquility that you are ruining. just clouds the issues and attempts to make it a US vs THEM like rant. A better approach might be to say something like: Non-consential PVP is suffering and here's the reasons why But to try and "solve" the issue by suggesting that who you think is Carebears and PvPers should be segregated is pretty much suggesting that Eve stop being Eve and is more than likely asking for a pretty decent game to be turned into two boring versions of it.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.09.01 16:12:00 - [55] i thought EVE had a pure pvp shard called TQ. in empire its called market wars and business. in 0.0 the pvp is the more traditional blast the crap out of the other guy.
Artthana Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.01 16:13:00 - [56] I think that some of the ideas that the OP posted are ok (they are all just ways to make it easier to kill people). But the new shard thing is craptacular. One of EVE's selling points is the fact that we are all on one server.
Razor Jaxx Blind Vengeance	Posted - 2006.09.01 16:29:00 - [57] Disagree on the separate shard. Agree on most ideas (all but hull auto-depreciation, which I think is a bit far-fetched). Actually, you don't need a new shard. Just put it all straight onto TQ. Heheh. - [ BL1ND killboard ]
Yblarbo Janks Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.01 17:53:00 - [58] Janks can tell who played Ultima Online too much when they call a server a "Shard".
Talthrus Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.01 18:02:00 - [59] Let's just ruin everything EVE is known for in one simple step! NO! ----------------------
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.01 18:04:00 - [60] Originally by: Dukath - new characters get the sec status of the deleted character of that player slot (prevent recycling suicide gankers) You think this is allowed? If you see it happening, petition it. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
Captain Logic	Posted - 2006.09.01 18:23:00 - [61] Originally by: Razor Jaxx Actually, you don't need a new shard. Just put it all straight onto TQ. Heheh. Oh dear, someone got the point!
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.09.01 22:53:00 - [62] Originally by: Captain Logic Originally by: Razor Jaxx Actually, you don't need a new shard. Just put it all straight onto TQ. Heheh. Oh dear, someone got the point! And the community would lose 80% of it's playerbase. Now tell me if you don't feel like a ***** dumbass Originally by:** Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Sergio Ling Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.01 23:18:00 - [63] Originally by: Dukath Reading all the insta and bookmark threads i believe it is time to create a PvP shard. Just give us 1 node at first, only 1 region if needed (all the rest unexplored) with the good old settings back from beta. - region chat, only show up when you speak - bookmarks fixed to anchored objects (containers, stations, gates, asteroids, ...) - anchoring skill limits the amount of containers you can anchor - persistent ships (when you disconnect you get autowarp, when you do a clean logoff you stay where you were. - no 0.0 NPC stations - faction standings mean something everywhere. Gallente start with -5 on caldari and vice versa. Standing affects docking rights/fees, rights to use station facilities, being shot by navy. - new characters get the sec status of the deleted character of that player slot (prevent recycling suicide gankers) - only 1 alt in space at a time. (one of your 3 characters is in space or not inside a POS shield? then you cannot undock or leave a POS shield the other 2 characters¦ - no insurance when you initiate combat and you die during aggression timer - get the old NPC spawns back, ie: a mix of battleships, cruisers and frigs, especially those that scrambled NPCing is just braindead simple on tranq. - no instant warp when already aligned. Introduce a calibration timer that is affected by agility (so nothing changes for ships standing still). A ship warps when its aligned and calibrated. Ships already aligned will still need to calibrate before warping - split the dual bonus modules such as tracking computers and sensor boosters - 5% of armor damage can only be repaired inside a station (you get hit for 100 damage, 5 of those damage get a special flag so that it doesn't get repaired.) - hull damage progresses downwards. 99% hull left will over time go to 98%, then 97%. The lower your current hull, the faster it goes down. A hull repairer or damage control reduces the rate it goes down. It can only be fixed at a station or a special POS module. Some of these things used to be in there but got nerfed away in favour of the carebears, other things are new which i think will make it a more interesting pvp game. As for the creating an extra shard will ruin the game, I don't think it will in this case, since all other examples are creating a non-pvp shard, here i do want a pvp shard since tranquility is getting more non-pvp by the minute PS: carebears don't bother to reply since this is not meant for you, you already got tranquility that you are ruining. Originally by: Oveur Internally dismissed as carebear whine, we quietly moved our Kestrels to another system.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.02 01:50:00 - [64] In all fairness, I have made the following suggestion in the past: --Open Jove Space: --Have the Jovians declare that Concord, and certain aspects of Pod tech are not welcome in their space (Thus making all Jove space 0.0, and you don't show up in local unless you speak) --and maybe a few other things. --Make the Jove space about the same as the better current 0.0 regions for wealth (NOT, absolutely NOT better) --The idea is to give whiners a section of space that has features they want, and not inflict them on everyone else. snip This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.02 04:02:00 - [65] Originally by: Steven Dynahir Originally by: Crumplecorn Can I have a shard where everyone buys my stuff as soon as I put it on the market? I want to be teh rich. Are you one of my escaped jump-clones? No, you're one of mine. Get back in the storage tank. ----------
Matrix Aran Legio Immortalis Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.09.02 05:34:00 - [66] Originally by: Dukath Stuff about a new shard that is insanely longwinded compared to my answer... No. PVP or no PVP sharding eve is an idiotic idea, mkay? ----
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.02 06:07:00 - [67] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 02/09/2006 06:07:49 Hmm, what appropriately sums up my thoughts about this? Originally by: Major Stormer **** off. There we go. Whorum Skills ftw! I like cheese - Xorus
Rose Kolodny Gallente Space Invaders	Posted - 2006.09.02 06:11:00 - [68] Yup, signed, I'm all for it. -- Recruiting Thread
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.09.02 06:14:00 - [69] ill shove your ***** crap shard up your ass BTW, i am ed tonight, so ** off
Cattraknoff Caldari Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.02 07:33:00 - [70] Originally by: Samirol ill shove your ******* crap shard up your ass My thoughts exactly.
Swor Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.09.02 07:38:00 - [71] Originally by: Samirol ill shove your ******* crap shard up your ass i support this opinion
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.02 07:50:00 - [72] agree...... ... to the shove up your ass part only of course. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Out Of Exile	Posted - 2006.09.02 07:53:00 - [73] Originally by: Swor Originally by: Samirol ill shove your f crap shard up your ass i support this opinion I also pledge my support to the ass/shoving camp. Exiles Recruitment
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.02 08:06:00 - [74] You know, if I behaved like some of you have in this thread every time I saw a stupid carebear suggestion, I would probably have my post deleted and my account permabanned. So instead I'll point out the obvious and save my breath for another day. Dukath is making a point. EVE is no longer a niche game with a pure pvp focus, and becoming more of a mainstream game with PVE focus by the minute. So instead of the carebears being flamed for wanting to make the game soft, its the pvpers that get flamed for wanting to make the game harsh. Good luck with that, really.. Maybe in ten years, CCP can match the quality of Blizzard's PVE content today. And for the record, I would pay double subscription for the game Dukath just outlined. Its hardcore! Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Sakura Nihil Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.02 09:47:00 - [75] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 02/09/2006 09:50:40 EVE is harsh, there's no need to tell you or the rest of the PvPing clique that; you know it better than I do. However, the moment we start to take the edge off, we might see the uniqueness that draws us to EVE diminished, seeing our game devolve into a friendly, mindless grind geared towards the ex-WoW crowd to make CCP more money. This is not true to the spirit of EVE, why should we compromise our past in order to attract new players? Originally by: DigitalCommunist And for the record, I would pay double subscription for the game Dukath just outlined. Its hardcore! Tbh, I really wouldn't enjoy those changes. Only things that would be nice would be the splitting of modules like sensor boosters or tracking computers, and region chat. Whorum Skills ftw! I like cheese - Xorus
Estelle Matsuko Caldari The Beiatch Corp Inc	Posted - 2006.09.02 09:50:00 - [76] I read the Original Post, and just to be sure I read it again. I¦m not a PVP¦r, I can barely fly my ship between gates without getting lost, however lets ignore that for the moment. I have to disagree with Dukath on two points. 1. The hull point degredation is an interesting concept, but I think that if you have a hull repairer fitted, then once the hull is repaired to 100% it stays there till the next time some yahoo in a (insert ship of choice here) uses his weaponry in an attempt to mine your modules. 2. No seperate shard. It should all be on Tranquility. 99% of what Dukath has outlined would have little or no affect on highsec dwellers. Faction standings might cause a few problems, but hey i¦m almost persona non grata in Gallente space anyway so what the hell. Plus it¦s always puzzled me that with tensions between the factions rising, pod pilots are free to go wherever they want, regardless of race or origin. What I do see in Dukaths post is a lot of exploit fixes, which of course will make his whole idea flamebait for the vocal minority who use those exploits daily. Good post Dukath. As I mentioned, I¦m not a PvP¦r (unless forced into it by circumstance) but nearly all of your suggestions would only have the effect of improving eve. Hey, we might lose a few people if they were implemented, but the people we lose are probably the sort of people we don¦t want in the game anyway.
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.09.02 10:03:00 - [77] Let me re-phrase: Some interesting ideas, but spoiled by the idea of a separate shard. Without a healthy supply of industrialists to keep the market topped up, everything collapses. ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Rumbles	Posted - 2006.09.02 10:16:00 - [78] NO NO Noooooooooooooo
Great Artista Earthbound Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.02 10:18:00 - [79] NEVER! IBTL! //////////////////////////////////
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.02 10:38:00 - [80] sharding would be crap should modify tranquility so it's closer to what you describe, f.i. make the npc stations conquerable, but heavy maintenance (resisting automatic npc attempts at reclaiming) alts that get sec rating of previous character in slot is idiotic, so is the undock restriction faction standings part sure, but KOS to navy in your rival faction's space from birth is stupid ccp can't tell the difference between disconnect and logoff$ agree with calibrate + aligning http://eve.klaki.net/

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