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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:09:22 -
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30+ pages and no significant CODE. presence cheering the massive blow to "bot aspirants"? Forget the tear collectors, we need pooper-scoopers around here....
(To clarify: I have no particular issue with CODE., CODE. members, or hisec suicide ganking. I just find it highly ironic that they of all people would be silent about this given that they claim to work so hard to stop such bot-like activity for the benefit of New Eden.)
CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking.
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content.
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Thalen Draganos
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:09:33 -
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Chalithra Lathar wrote:ISboxer here. To be completely honest, multiboxing was the primary reason I even considered trying EVE online in the first place. I would not be posting on these forums today if not for the fact that ISboxing was allowed in the game. Seeing a move like this is a real bummer, but kudos for spelling it out before hand instead of doing it Blizzard style and ninjaing it in.  unfortunately, I like to speak with my wallet with this issue, and can no longer support CCP at this time. It will be interesting to see the effect of not only the in-game markets, but the subscriber numbers as a whole. fly safe o7
I am laughing so hard because of posts like this.
Multiboxing, just like ISBoxer, are still allowed. You just can't use the key and mouse broadcasting features of programs. All CCP did was add some effort to those who run multiple accounts, removed the ridiculous crap of using 30-80 accounts at a time, helped PLEX prices drop like a rock which is something most of us wanted, and improved the game for a lot more people than they would lose. HTFU you morons. |
Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice
TSOE Consortium
45
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:10:07 -
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This is how a MMO begins to die. Next we'll see is a ban on scamming activities, communicating outside of EVE Voice *Teamspeak/Mumble/etc* and consequently, the birth of World of Warcraft 2.
Go CCP, I can forsee PLEX prices going up in the next 3 months. Not just plexes, but other mineral/ice made stuff when the influx of materials dwindles down some, but then again, maybe we'll see Tritanium's price go back to 10isk/unit.
The character does not represent the views/opinions of its Corporation or Alliance.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5272
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:10:22 -
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I am setting up a home for orphaned Skiffs. Please contract me all your Skiffs you no longer use because ISBoxer is no longer available to you. I will make sure they will be well maintained and regularly fed mining crystals. Save the Skiffs! Thank you!
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
6029
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:11:31 -
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Systimus wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Systimus wrote:I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.
Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead. If you never used it to do anything other than auto pilot or dock, why would this bother you at all?  You should probably get your story straight. Personally I don't care one way or the other, but there are a few good points to all this. 1: Restrictions on bomber use don't have to be as severe. 2: More people will be able to make their living mining. 3: Wealth is better distributed across the general population of miners. 4: PLEX prices will drop quickly, which will be welcome news to many. To explain the latter, your average ISBoxer miner pays for all of his accounts with PLEX purchased off the market with ISK. His tolerance for higher PLEX prices is MUCH higher than the average EVE player due to his extremely high income stream per account he is funding. In other words, the large number of "high rollers" providing a steady market for over priced PLEX will be sharply and suddenly curtailed. Which I never had a problem with ISBoxer being in game, even I have to admit this helps to solve a lot of problems. Ranger, I find you really offensive. My story straight ? I think ccp need to clarify what they intend to ban. Any action that affects the universe ...... If using auto pilot or docking is specifically excempt then please ccp clarify. Also, I have never plexd any account and pay for all 4 every month with real money. I don't do pvp on any of my accounts and I find mining relaxing. I feel mining with 1 account a little boring but mining with 4 much more enjoyable. Do I gave an advantage over someone playing with a single account maybe. But if they wanted to pay for 4 accounts they could have that advantage too.
You aren't making much sense my friend.
Multiple accounts are still fine.
Using ISBoxer to control them all with simultaneously is not fine.
Are you seriously asking us to believe that if the program you use to "auto pilot or dock" your 4 accounts with is taken away things will become to complicated for you and you'll need to cancel accounts? REALLY?
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
782
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:12:23 -
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Sylphy wrote:This is how a MMO begins to die. Next we'll see is a ban on scamming activities, communicating outside of EVE Voice *Teamspeak/Mumble/etc* and consequently, the birth of World of Warcraft 2.
Go CCP, I can forsee PLEX prices going up by about 150% in the next 3 months.
Sorry, no. This is how an MMO thrives. People being able to "pay to win" (which is exactly what ISBOXed bomber and mining fleets were doing) is a bad idea.
Incidentally, PLEX prices are already dropping, over 50mil since the announcement.
CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking.
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
332
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:13:11 -
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Sylphy wrote:This is how a MMO begins to die. Next we'll see is a ban on scamming activities, communicating outside of EVE Voice *Teamspeak/Mumble/etc* and consequently, the birth of World of Warcraft 2.
Go CCP, I can forsee PLEX prices going up by about 150% in the next 3 months.
The logical fallacies in this post are simply breath taking. Go, just go, and never darken our doorstep again.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
5566
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:13:18 -
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eiedu wrote:RIP incursions
RIP Ratting
RIP bombing
Nope. These activities will become much more fun since the ISBoxers aren't going to be squeezing you out of the niche.
eiedu wrote:Time to go back to wow, where it makes no sense to have multiple accounts
I know people who use multiple accounts in WoW without input broadcasting. ISBoxer still helps with things like binding certain keys to one client and other keys to a different client. There's no broadcasting going on there (i.e.: only one client is acting on input).
eiedu wrote:How are you even going to "catch" people who are input-multiplexing hardware-wise
Multiple clients sending the same instruction at the same time. It's pretty easy to detect server-side.
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Rear Admiral Charlie
DR. SloMo and the G.I. Clinic
3
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:14:05 -
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Trogdor Losshelin wrote:SO, this does nothing to ISBoxer, just FYI. It does mean we have to change some stuff (us lazy boxers). So, you put 10 dps overview windows next to each other and click each one in order. - Targeting fixed You put two watchlists next to eachother and click each one in order.- Logi fixed You put targeting windows next to eachother and click each one in order. - Additional Target managment issues fixed. Or you use drones, which now only requires drone assist to be manual. - Mutiboxing Fixed. Take a look at this pic. http://teabbs.com/images/arcpvp6x.jpg
Just click down the line on what you want to target or shoot or the module you want to activate = win. This is impossible for 20+ accounts but honestly most of us Multi-boxers don't like those dudes anyways.
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Ming Vue
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:14:17 -
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anyone really look at the amount of isk per hour a mining fleet makes using isboxer and t1 lasers ... it's really kinda sad the person makes acrap ton ... but each acount makes scraps |
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Strata Maslav
V0LTA
Triumvirate.
109
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:14:31 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Sylphy wrote:This is how a MMO begins to die. Next we'll see is a ban on scamming activities, communicating outside of EVE Voice *Teamspeak/Mumble/etc* and consequently, the birth of World of Warcraft 2.
Go CCP, I can forsee PLEX prices going up by about 150% in the next 3 months. Sorry, no. This is how an MMO thrives. People being able to "pay to win" (which is exactly what ISBOXed bomber and mining fleets were doing) is a bad idea. Incidentally, PLEX prices are already dropping, over 50mil since the announcement.
If I buy plex sell it and buy a titan and kill someone's carrier with a dooms day isn't that pay to win? |
Gommel Nox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:14:34 -
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Bisu Deckryder wrote:Gommel Nox wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:Gommel Nox wrote:Aerious wrote:Goon tears are the best tears! Aren't they just? However, there was a matter that I wanted to put to the developers, however I cannot be bothered to read through all thirtysomething pages of this thread to see if you've already addressed it. The matter is this: for the past 11 years I have been a quadriplegic, completely lacking the ability to move my hands above the wrist, including my fingers. I've always said to people in and out of the disabled community that eve online is a fantastic game to play if you have limited mobility. The user interface, coupled with its reliance on the mouse as an input, can make it a fantastic game to play, depending on what adaptive equipment and software you may have. In my own personal case, I have to use voice recognition in order to type. For that I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking, and it's worked fine. However, my lack of mobility has at times translated to **** poor planning, especially in the PVP arena. To address this, I've used custom macros within Dragon NaturallySpeaking, as well as the software say2play, which translates certain voiceCommands into keystrokes. Certain actions like deploying/retrieving drones, Firing on a target that's locked, or even stopping my ship. According to the OP, Software like this is banworthy. So I would like to know, ones and for all, what CCP's position is on adaptive hardware and software for disabled people like myself. I've already posted this multiple times, but KEYBINDINGS are not banned, that should include custom machros so long as they're not used for multi broadcast If you use voice recognition software/macro to send ONE command to ONE client at a time, you are OK. It's sending ONE command to MULTIPLE clients AT THE SAME TIME that is banned. Thanks for clarifying, but you'll forgive me if I'd rather get the word of the developers over yours. I'm sure you are very important in ways that your mother appreciates, but you don't make this game, do you? CCP has also answered that question. Maybe try reading?
First, I said that I hadn't read the thread. Second, I said I hadn't read the thread because it was over 30 pages long, and reading and comprehending and navigating to 30 pages would take me all day because, if you've been reading, I am disabled.
That said, I really don't think it would beThe best plan for CCP to treat me as a special case for two reasons: first, I'm not the only disabled player in this stupid game. Second, if they made an exception for me with a spinal cord injury, why couldn't they make a similar exception for someone who has MS, But more fine motor skills. Slippery slope, etc. etc.
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Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice
TSOE Consortium
45
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:14:51 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Incidentally, PLEX prices are already dropping, over 50mil since the announcement.
Let's check PLEX prices again in 3 months and see who was right, shall we? Marking your name and my calendar for a regular check-up on Feb 25th, 2015. I'll contact you in-game.
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Utari Onzo
united system's commonwealth
41
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:14:58 -
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Sylphy wrote:This is how a MMO begins to die. Next we'll see is a ban on scamming activities, communicating outside of EVE Voice *Teamspeak/Mumble/etc* and consequently, the birth of World of Warcraft 2.
Go CCP, I can forsee PLEX prices going up in the next 3 months. Not just plexes, but other mineral/ice made stuff when the influx of materials dwindles down some, but then again, maybe we'll see Tritanium's price go back to 10isk/unit.
....Wut
I like you bro, I do, but that's some serious tinfoil you have there. They banned one particular use of ISBoxer and similar software that was pretty broken (multiple key broadcasts), but haven't banned multiboxing/using ISBoxer and similar software to manage your ui/windows. How's that gonna kill a game? |
Anslo
Scope Works
22606
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:15:51 -
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Sylphy wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Incidentally, PLEX prices are already dropping, over 50mil since the announcement. Let's check PLEX prices again in 3 months and see who was right, shall we? Marking your name and my calendar for a regular check-up on Feb 25th, 2015. I'll contact you in-game.
GTFO already.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Yen Thara
Dropbears Anonymous
Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:16:02 -
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Sylphy wrote:This is how a MMO begins to die. Next we'll see is a ban on scamming activities, communicating outside of EVE Voice *Teamspeak/Mumble/etc* and consequently, the birth of World of Warcraft 2.
Go CCP, I can forsee PLEX prices going up in the next 3 months. Not just plexes, but other mineral/ice made stuff when the influx of materials dwindles down some, but then again, maybe we'll see Tritanium's price go back to 10isk/unit.
Yes because banning an exploit is the same as banning scamming. Sorry you are going to have to learn how to play like the rest of us. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
5566
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:16:31 -
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Trogdor Losshelin wrote:SO, this does nothing to ISBoxer, just FYI. It does mean we have to change some stuff (us lazy boxers). So, you put 10 dps overview windows next to each other and click each one in order. - Targeting fixed You put two watchlists next to eachother and click each one in order.- Logi fixed You put targeting windows next to eachother and click each one in order. - Additional Target managment issues fixed. Or you use drones, which now only requires drone assist to be manual. - Mutiboxing Fixed. Take a look at this pic. http://teabbs.com/images/arcpvp6x.jpg
Just click down the line on what you want to target or shoot or the module you want to activate = win. This is impossible for 20+ accounts but honestly most of us Multi-boxers don't like those dudes anyways.
Yup, that's pretty much the way it works for non-ISBoxers too. Just with a lot more Alt-Tabbing :)
Day 0 Advice for New Players
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Apo Lamperouge
29
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:16:49 -
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Jvpiter wrote:Angus McRothimay wrote:However, using an exploit to cover the cost of subscription isn't really subscribing, If no one spent real money on the game there would be no game to play.
The cost of subscription is always paid with real money. There may simply be less buyers of PLEX but we don't have enough information to make a definitive conclusion.
How do you figure? If you are mining 2b a day with these 25+ miners, and a plex is/was say 850m, lets do the math
$15 x 25 = $375 per month.
However, if you are mining say 2b a day, for only 20 days a month out of 30, then your 2b x 20d = 40b
850,000,000 x 25 accounts = 21.25b
That still leaves you with a net profit of 18.75b/month isk.
And you tell me that you are PAYING to play? Are you sh!tting me?
Come on. What moron who profits 18b a month actually BUYS their game time. I may have been born during the day, but it wasn't yesterday.
Sometimes a knife right through your heart is exactly what you need.
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virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine
Yulai Federation
185
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:17:49 -
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GOMMEL NOX
"That said, I really don't think it would beThe best plan for CCP to treat me as a special case for two reasons: first, I'm not the only disabled player in this stupid game. Second, if they made an exception for me with a spinal cord injury, why couldn't they make a similar exception for someone who has MS, But more fine motor skills. Slippery slope, etc. etc."
Determined to buid the best case to undermines the change eh?
If what you say is true, you will contact CCP and give them a chance to help you.
If you are just trolling the changes, well that's your choice. |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
491
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:18:10 -
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CCP starting the next year off with the greatest of all new years resolutions! outstanding!
If CCP were personified into a single person id wine dine and pleasure you to the very limit that a corporeal being could possibly experience!
.... however you're not, so i shall wrap myself up in the bittersweet blanket of eve online for years to come!
u sexy beasts you! |
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kraken11 jensen
Californian CottonPickers
4
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:18:39 -
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Apo Lamperouge wrote:Jvpiter wrote:Angus McRothimay wrote:However, using an exploit to cover the cost of subscription isn't really subscribing, If no one spent real money on the game there would be no game to play.
The cost of subscription is always paid with real money. There may simply be less buyers of PLEX but we don't have enough information to make a definitive conclusion. How do you figure? If you are mining 2b a day with these 25+ miners, and a plex is/was say 850m, lets do the math $15 x 25 = $375 per month. However, if you are mining say 2b a day, for only 20 days a month out of 30, then your 2b x 20d = 40b 850,000,000 x 25 accounts = 21.25b That still leaves you with a net profit of 18.75b/month isk. And you tell me that you are PAYING to play? Are you sh!tting me? Come on. What moron who profits 18b a month actually BUYS their game time. I may have been born during the day, but it wasn't yesterday.
If no one was buying game time? then no one would sell. right? Think m8, Think. :) |
Arec Bardwin
1631
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:19:07 -
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CCP, what is your stance on ISBoxing ship spinning of accounts simultaneously? |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
5568
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:19:22 -
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I'm looking forward to mineral prices rising by a few percent, and PLEX dropping significantly. That's the impact this change will have on me. I might even re-sub some of my accounts once the price of PLEX falls back to within my capacity to pay.
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Cyrus Doul
S0utherN Comfort
DARKNESS.
7
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:19:33 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Sylphy wrote:This is how a MMO begins to die. Next we'll see is a ban on scamming activities, communicating outside of EVE Voice *Teamspeak/Mumble/etc* and consequently, the birth of World of Warcraft 2.
Go CCP, I can forsee PLEX prices going up by about 150% in the next 3 months. Sorry, no. This is how an MMO thrives. People being able to "pay to win" (which is exactly what ISBOXed bomber and mining fleets were doing) is a bad idea. Incidentally, PLEX prices are already dropping, over 50mil since the announcement.
Mumm. more like pay to efficently use the UI. If i could have a little loadout window that had like 3 buttons that said
Cap
Shoot
Turtle
without having to dig all five accounts deep into the fittings pages so i could swap my dread fits around quickly id have no use for isboxer. There are better ways to rat: 15 assigned fighters to three accounts from a nyx, with the fifth account being mr vaccuum. You want the drone guys all targeting differently. Mining if i cycle them all at the same time my orca fills up. I did hate the people with 20 though cause that just seems excessive. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
788
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:25:44 -
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Strata Maslav wrote:If I buy plex sell it and buy a titan and kill someone's carrier with a dooms day isn't that pay to win?
It's a different kind of "pay to win". Selling PLEX to buy a Titan simply hastens something that a single player could already do. By ISBoxing 20 miners, 20 bombers, or 20 anything at once, you were, in effect, paying to do something that was impossible for any one character to do.
Sylphy wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Incidentally, PLEX prices are already dropping, over 50mil since the announcement. Let's check PLEX prices again in 3 months and see who was right, shall we? Marking your name and my calendar for a regular check-up on Feb 25th, 2015. I'll contact you in-game.
Weren't you leaving?
CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking.
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content.
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Almethea
Trans Stellar Express
187
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:26:29 -
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Jon Hellguard wrote:Prepare for epic inflation in the character transfer market starting january 1st, 2015. For what it's worth - thank you CCP for taking action. Next up will be the Alliance Logo's, right?
no it will be POS CODE
Keeping active account just to shitpost
there's so many thing to fix in eve.... and they fix forum ! GJ! but ok i like it !
CCP Fozzie : AFK cloaking, however, is an entirely social form of power
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Apo Lamperouge
29
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:26:30 -
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kraken11 jensen wrote:Apo Lamperouge wrote:Jvpiter wrote:Angus McRothimay wrote:However, using an exploit to cover the cost of subscription isn't really subscribing, If no one spent real money on the game there would be no game to play.
The cost of subscription is always paid with real money. There may simply be less buyers of PLEX but we don't have enough information to make a definitive conclusion. How do you figure? If you are mining 2b a day with these 25+ miners, and a plex is/was say 850m, lets do the math $15 x 25 = $375 per month. However, if you are mining say 2b a day, for only 20 days a month out of 30, then your 2b x 20d = 40b 850,000,000 x 25 accounts = 21.25b That still leaves you with a net profit of 18.75b/month isk. And you tell me that you are PAYING to play? Are you sh!tting me? Come on. What moron who profits 18b a month actually BUYS their game time. I may have been born during the day, but it wasn't yesterday. If no one was buying game time? then no one would sell. right? Think m8, Think. :)
You didn't get what I said. I pay for the game time of my assorted accounts. But does someone who has 25 or 50 or 100? Forget that. Especially if you are profiting obscene amounts of isk from it.
If I was to use ISBox it would be so I could make obscene amounts of isk, so I wouldnt have to buy game time. But I only mine when I have to. I pvp, and I rat. I buy big shiny stuff with my isk so I can kill other peoples big shiny sh!t.
If you are spending $400 or $1000 a month on this game on 50 or 100 accounts and are ISBoxing, you are doing it wrong.
Money comes out of my wallet and goes to CCP.
The guys buying plex with isk from mining don't.
Sometimes a knife right through your heart is exactly what you need.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
788
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:27:13 -
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kraken11 jensen wrote:lol, you dont need to and proably wont/should use the synergy (doing the same on all acounts) while mining, Having the screens nicely stacked With isb boxer is all whats needed, and remember we still have fleet Warp :) So i see nothing changing for miners.
Admittedly, this will be less of a blow to miners than it will to, say, ISBoxing bombers or Ishtar fleets, but it will still be a blow.
CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking.
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content.
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Lida B Or
B. Or inc.
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:28:05 -
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Just a quick +1 on the good idea side!
Oh and yes, this is the first thread that made me actually log in and post on the forum. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland
The 99 Percent
887
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:28:08 -
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Kagehisa Shintaro wrote:Whether he paid Gé¼/$ or PLEX'ed off market matters not. Someone paid for the PLEX. CCP got their dime ($15 worth of dimes, times 80)
And since CCP already got their cash, does it matter to them when that ISBoxer converts 80 PLEX into game time? Hell, no! All it means is that there are more PLEX on the market thus driving down the isk cost.
CCP cares when someone creates PLEX by buying them for rl cash. That is all.
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