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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.11.27 19:34:10 -
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Viribus wrote:i think you'll find that nobody uses medium beams and no one ever will as long as railguns are in their current state Sorry, my name is not Nobody, but I fly a Beam Legion/Zealot and I am happy with it. |
Viribus
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2014.11.27 19:34:47 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Viribus wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hanazava Karyna wrote:So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot. Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes. i think you'll find that nobody uses medium beams and no one ever will as long as railguns are in their current state Apart from all those groups that use Beam Legions or Beam Absos.
i think you may have mistakenly pluralized "group", just a heads up
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Capqu
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2014.11.27 19:35:06 -
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when he says nobody he means anyone who can do basic arithmetic and realise that if ur not using 250mms ur wrong
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2014.11.27 19:37:41 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:
beam laser tracking is the highest of the LR guns.
And this is an issue why? Rails are the longest range and Arty are the highest Alpha. Why shouldn't Beams have the highest tracking? And if that is an issue, then Arty should be the ones getting a tracking buff, not lasers a Nerf. Since they already have issues tracking at the small gun size. |
Capqu
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2014.11.27 19:51:48 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=388038&find=unread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
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The Ironfist
Nordbot Capitals Northern Associates.
72
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Posted - 2014.11.27 20:08:55 -
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Still ignoring the issue that fitting on T2 Medium beams and Large beams is completely broken nice.. |
Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1309
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Posted - 2014.11.27 20:22:44 -
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Ontopic post here (this isn't medium/large beams/ishtar discussion) Nice to see that you're making a proper change here with the 20% damage buff and much heavier volley damage. While the change to pulse lasers looks wholly ineffective for changing the dynamic, this looks to make small beam lasers potentially useful.
+1 |
Cae Lara
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.27 20:29:55 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Arkon Olacar wrote:Confirming beam legion master race Rail Tengus/Proteii want to have a word with you.
Rail t3s don't look as cool as legions on twitch streams though. |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
2023
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Posted - 2014.11.27 20:32:07 -
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Cool.
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Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2014.11.27 20:57:22 -
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Viribus wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote:Viribus wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hanazava Karyna wrote:So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot. Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes. i think you'll find that nobody uses medium beams and no one ever will as long as railguns are in their current state Apart from all those groups that use Beam Legions or Beam Absos. i think you may have mistakenly pluralized "group", just a heads up
Groups that use Beam Absos;
Snuffbox Overload Everything Shadow Cartel UCF
Groups that use beam legions; PL Snuffbox Overload Everything Shadow Cartel UCF Inulectable Tishu
Seems plural to me, and these are just the ones i can run off the top of my head ofc. |
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Capqu
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2014.11.27 20:59:49 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote: Groups that use Beam Absos;
Snuffbox Overload Everything Shadow Cartel UCF
Groups that use beam legions; PL Snuffbox Overload Everything Shadow Cartel UCF Inulectable Tishu
Seems plural to me, and these are just the ones i can run off the top of my head ofc.
literally who and pl
my one man alt corp has an arty gila doctrine but it does that make them a group that use arty gilas????????? irrelivant lowsec garbage and pl having a funcomp to play whack a mole vs bni with doesn't make beam ships a doctrine
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MashXX
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.11.27 21:17:52 -
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Kiting executioners ahoy!
Really happy to see one of the lesser used frigate sized weapon systems get a much needed boost. Hopefully you'll also be taking a look at small artillery cannons when the minmatar t3 destroyer gets released.
Cheers Fozzie!
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
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Posted - 2014.11.27 21:31:39 -
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Damage buff is a bit high. +15% is my suggestion. Fallout nerf is also a bit much. Lower the falloff of Gleam if that's the issue. If insisting on adjusting the turret, max 20% is my suggestion.
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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2014.11.27 23:19:31 -
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Not sure what to make of this. But at least something is being done. The tracking penalty seems a little heavy though.
Wondering when you might get to tiericide on the medium and large beams. Tachyons are a total ***** to fit, and dual heavys are ridiculously easy.
Also, Quad Light Beam Lasers have the prettiest gun effects in the game. Would be nice to find a reason to fit and use them.
CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
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Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
305
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Posted - 2014.11.27 23:38:45 -
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Look at all those minnies getting angry at their weapons not being used by all the other empires and their dogs. Suddenly rebalancing is top priority. |
Yazzinra
Scorpion Ventures Rim Worlds Protectorate
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Posted - 2014.11.27 23:59:37 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Arkon Olacar wrote:Confirming beam legion master race Rail Tengus/Proteii want to have a word with you.
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EDIT: small beams could be a thing? interesting indeed. could you also lower the fittings on medium and large beams and maybe we can have a whole new functioning weapon system? |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
486
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Posted - 2014.11.28 00:32:19 -
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Bienator II wrote:elitatwo wrote:Bienator II wrote:any changes to aurora/spike ammo? The tracking penalty is insane, i never managed to make anything work when aurora is loaded, even special tracking optimized fits. (will be even worse now with the nerfed turret tracking) Try a beamtasm topic is, small beams m8
eeek, you're right! Sorry dear!
Still I think that Gleam S doesn't need more of a nerf. It is difficult enough to fit a mwd a scram and a web on a Navy Slicer-
wait, what??
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Naoru Kozan
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2014.11.28 02:18:09 -
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Hanazava Karyna wrote:So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot.
Medium beams are fine. Learn to play. |
Seamus Donohue
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.11.28 04:11:49 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Klingon Admiral wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: The end result is +20% DPS, unchanged Cap/s, more alpha strike, slightly lower effective range with shortrange ammo and slightly more effective range with longrange ammo.
Shouldn't it be a 25% Damage increase, as 1.5/1.2 = 1.25? -20% Rate of Fire is the same as +25% time between shots. So it's actually 1.5/1.25 = 1.2. It's tough to find clear terminology here, unfortunately. Part of the problem is that all bonuses that affect the time between shots are phrased in-game as "rate of fire" percentages when this is actually not correct. A "20% bonus to rate of fire" is phrased incorrectly and is actually a 20% reduction in refire time. The attributes for guns and launchers include an attribute called "Rate of fire" and then list a value in seconds.
Speaking as an engineer, this is wrong and it has always been wrong for as long as I've been playing EVE Online. "3.24 s" is not a Rate of fire, it is a refire time: the amount of time between shots fired from the same gun. Real honest-to-goodness rates of fire have units of inverse seconds ( 1/s or s^-1 ). So, if a gun has a refire time of "3.24 s", then the rate of fire is 0.309/s.
So, part of the solution here is to clean up the in-game presentation of these values. All string occurrences of "bonus to rate of fire" should be changed to "reduction to refire time", and the "Rate of fire" string for the attribute label should be changed to read "Refire time".
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Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
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Posted - 2014.11.28 04:47:35 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:So because a short-range weapons system is better at long range (Scorch) than the long range system, instead of adjusting the problematic system and restore balance, you start the power creep?
I'm expecting blaster and projectile buffs with the respective ships, kkty.
Scorch isn't the problem here, for years many of us have been complaining that lasers in general have been under performing. Ccp promised us a full balance pass on lasers. It looks like it's underway.
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Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
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Posted - 2014.11.28 04:52:13 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:why only small beams? the other size beams are useless as well.
edit:
and can you look at renaming the meta 4 lasers?
modulated pulse energy beam and modulated energy beam is just horrible.
Let's all say no to more dumbing down.
Coldgas arcjet thrusters forever.
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Catherine Laartii
Dominion Fleet Group Templis CALSF
409
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Posted - 2014.11.28 06:18:59 -
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I am curious to see how this will affect the Succubus. Crusader maybe, but the tracking nerf has me dubious. |
Odithia
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.28 09:02:06 -
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Anyone care to do a comparison between small beam/railgun/arty ?
Beams need to be sensibly better than the other two since a lot of frigs/dessie still have the bonus to capacitor used per turret activation. I feel that a big amarr rebalance is needed and that this bonus is a key point of it. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1905
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Posted - 2014.11.28 09:47:56 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:So because a short-range weapons system is better at long range (Scorch) than the long range system, instead of adjusting the problematic system and restore balance, you start the power creep?
I'm expecting blaster and projectile buffs with the respective ships, kkty.
Pulses have much much worse trackign than blasters and AC, so if they were nerfed they would be useless on the S scale.
It is not easy to get a good balance on that scale
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.11.28 10:00:14 -
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Odithia wrote:Anyone care to do a comparison between small beam/railgun/arty ?
Beams need to be sensibly better than the other two since a lot of frigs/dessie still have the bonus to capacitor used per turret activation. I feel that a big amarr rebalance is needed and that this bonus is a key point of it.
They are.. by FAR stronger than small arties. LEss alpha but far far more dps and far far superior damage application
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Kagura Nikon
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Posted - 2014.11.28 10:02:25 -
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Mharius Skjem wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:So because a short-range weapons system is better at long range (Scorch) than the long range system, instead of adjusting the problematic system and restore balance, you start the power creep?
I'm expecting blaster and projectile buffs with the respective ships, kkty. Scorch isn't the problem here, for years many of us have been complaining that lasers in general have been under performing. Ccp promised us a full balance pass on lasers. It looks like it's underway.
Lasers are NOT underperforming... the whole problem with weapons balance is that BLASTERS (of all sizes) Medium railguns and drones were massively overbuffed.
Blasters made ac useless on all realistic scenarios, medium rails make all medium sized lasers near useless. Drones are by far the most powerful weapon system in game.
LAsers are in correct balance when you compare to AC and missiles. Theproblem is in GALLENTE being completely OP on the last 3 years.
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Vulfen
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2014.11.28 10:31:26 -
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Capqu wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote: Groups that use Beam Absos;
Snuffbox Overload Everything Shadow Cartel UCF
Groups that use beam legions; PL Snuffbox Overload Everything Shadow Cartel UCF Inulectable Tishu
Seems plural to me, and these are just the ones i can run off the top of my head ofc.
literally who and pl my one man alt corp has an arty gila doctrine but it does that make them a group that use arty gilas????????? irrelivant lowsec garbage and pl having a funcomp to play whack a mole vs bni with doesn't make beam ships a doctrine
Your a complete moron. Beam legion is the chief "F**K OFF* Ishtar comp for many of the people listed above You call lowsec groups irrelivant, id say the same for Pizza, now that ISboxer broadcasting is banned i guess you'll be back to sucking without the 20 bombers in support
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Also these small beam changes are nice, though i do wish you didn't nerf the tracking, shorter range ammo really struggles to hit alot of targets, i.e drones that have been sent after you. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.28 11:03:25 -
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Catherine Laartii wrote:I am curious to see how this will affect the Succubus. Crusader maybe, but the tracking nerf has me dubious.
it'll probably go from terrible to terrible. |
Akemon Numon
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.28 11:10:05 -
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-10% Tracking WTF? |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.11.28 17:34:13 -
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With those changes and Aurora S
Confessor: 245dps at 75k optimal Retribution: 145dps at 50k optimal
Not bad, they'll blend in nicely with other absurdities like sniper cormorants and rail-harpies.
So is the confessor going to have an insane price or what is the reason to make it such a sniperbeast?
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