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CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 12052	Posted - 2014.11.27 16:43:08 - [1] - Quote Hello! For Rhea we are making some adjustments to small sized Beam Lasers, to improve their competitiveness against similar weapons (most notably Pulse Lasers and Railguns). The changes are: +50% Damage Multiplier -20% Rate of Fire +25% Capacitor Need -10% Tracking +10% Optimal Range Decreased Falloff: -33.3% for Dual Light Beams, -37.5% for Small Focused Beams ~17% decrease in CPU use for Dual Light Beams, ~5% decrease in CPU use for Small Focused Beams The end result is +20% DPS, unchanged Cap/s, more alpha strike, slightly lower effective range with shortrange ammo and slightly more effective range with longrange ammo. These changes are on SISI for your testing pleasure, feel free to give them a try and let us know what you think! Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Adrie Atticus Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion 575	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:01:35 - [2] - Quote So because a short-range weapons system is better at long range (Scorch) than the long range system, instead of adjusting the problematic system and restore balance, you start the power creep? I'm expecting blaster and projectile buffs with the respective ships, kkty.
Hanazava Karyna The Foundation Of Mammon 11	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:04:01 - [3] - Quote So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot.
Owen Levanth Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration 351	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:05:14 - [4] - Quote Adrie Atticus wrote: So because a short-range weapons system is better at long range (Scorch) than the long range system, instead of adjusting the problematic system and restore balance, you start the power creep? I'm expecting blaster and projectile buffs with the respective ships, kkty. They're doing both, the small pulse lasers are getting a small range nerf. See the other thread.

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 12052	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:05:52 - [5] - Quote Hanazava Karyna wrote: So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot. Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Klingon Admiral Black Hole Cluster 75	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:06:53 - [6] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: The end result is +20% DPS, unchanged Cap/s, more alpha strike, slightly lower effective range with shortrange ammo and slightly more effective range with longrange ammo. Shouldn't it be a 25% Damage increase, as 1.5/1.2 = 1.25?

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 12053	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:09:07 - [7] - Quote Klingon Admiral wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: The end result is +20% DPS, unchanged Cap/s, more alpha strike, slightly lower effective range with shortrange ammo and slightly more effective range with longrange ammo. Shouldn't it be a 25% Damage increase, as 1.5/1.2 = 1.25? -20% Rate of Fire is the same as +25% time between shots. So it's actually 1.5/1.25 = 1.2. It's tough to find clear terminology here, unfortunately. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Arkon Olacar Bearded BattleBears Brave Collective 452	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:10:22 - [8] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Hanazava Karyna wrote: So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot. Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes. Confirming beam legion master race Warping to zero
Bienator II madmen of the skies 2983	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:17:30 - [9] - Quote edit, nevermind confused the beam with the pulse thread eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 979	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:20:18 - [10] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Klingon Admiral wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: The end result is +20% DPS, unchanged Cap/s, more alpha strike, slightly lower effective range with shortrange ammo and slightly more effective range with longrange ammo. Shouldn't it be a 25% Damage increase, as 1.5/1.2 = 1.25? -20% Rate of Fire is the same as +25% time between shots. So it's actually 1.5/1.25 = 1.2. It's tough to find clear terminology here, unfortunately. you sure about keeping the cap the same on lasers in general? . Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please

TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 881	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:24:13 - [11] - Quote why only small beams? the other size beams are useless as well. edit: and can you look at renaming the meta 4 lasers? modulated pulse energy beam and modulated energy beam is just horrible.
Bienator II madmen of the skies 2983	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:27:08 - [12] - Quote any changes to aurora/spike ammo? The tracking penalty is insane, i never managed to make anything work when aurora is loaded, even special tracking optimized fits. (will be even worse now with the nerfed turret tracking) eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 486	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:34:33 - [13] - Quote Bienator II wrote: any changes to aurora/spike ammo? The tracking penalty is insane, i never managed to make anything work when aurora is loaded, even special tracking optimized fits. (will be even worse now with the nerfed turret tracking) Try a beamtasm signature
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10728	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:40:27 - [14] - Quote Very nice. Now there's actually a reason to fit them at all. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 6493	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:46:20 - [15] - Quote Sounds good to me! When I hopped on Sisi to try fitting out a Confessor, I completely ignored small beams and went straight to the pulse. Now it seems there's another option. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
Rivr Luzade Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 1003	Posted - 2014.11.27 17:50:16 - [16] - Quote Arkon Olacar wrote: Confirming beam legion master race Rail Tengus/Proteii want to have a word with you.
Liam Inkuras Mafia Redux 1339	Posted - 2014.11.27 18:03:11 - [17] - Quote LOL rip garmurs I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 1441	Posted - 2014.11.27 18:42:12 - [18] - Quote Nice changes, but honestly, small blasters need more love than small beams... Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
Bienator II madmen of the skies 2983	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:01:14 - [19] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Bienator II wrote: any changes to aurora/spike ammo? The tracking penalty is insane, i never managed to make anything work when aurora is loaded, even special tracking optimized fits. (will be even worse now with the nerfed turret tracking) Try a beamtasm topic is, small beams m8 eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
Swiftstrike1 Swiftstrike Incorporated 836	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:02:07 - [20] - Quote I look forward to these changes. #L4Z0RZ-4RE-F0REV3R Targeting, Sensors and ECM Overhaul

elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 486	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:03:14 - [21] - Quote Why -10% tracking?? Laser tracking isn't the highest and Gleam S/M/L don't help that much. signature
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 883	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:05:14 - [22] - Quote elitatwo wrote: Why -10% tracking?? Laser tracking isn't the highest and Gleam S/M/L don't help that much. beam laser tracking is the highest of the LR guns.
Capqu Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 911	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:13:46 - [23] - Quote ishtars? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
Viribus Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 308	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:14:26 - [24] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Hanazava Karyna wrote: So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot. Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes. i think you'll find that nobody uses medium beams and no one ever will as long as railguns are in their current state watch me be a scurb and get owned
Capqu Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 911	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:16:17 - [25] - Quote small beams are probably also more common in pvp than heavy missiles when are those 2008 nerfs in 2011 getting reverted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
Capqu Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 912	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:22:54 - [26] - Quote it seems to me like long range guns are being expected to do too much damage in eve 2014 used to be that u lost damage w long range weapons now u just lose tracking p o w e r c r e e p rest in peas malediction 2014-2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
Viribus Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 308	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:25:00 - [27] - Quote Capqu wrote: ishtars? i think you'll find that a 65k EHP cruiser that can easily fit a 100mn AB and do 600dps at 80km with mega pulse tracking is in fact perfectly balanced, since they occasionally abandon drones, losing precious seconds of DPS right-clicking your drone bay and pressing "launch" i mean they nerfed the optimal + tracking bonus from 7.5 to 5, what more could you possibly want??? watch me be a scurb and get owned
Capqu Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 913	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:29:21 - [28] - Quote Viribus wrote: Capqu wrote: ishtars? i think you'll find that a 65k EHP cruiser that can easily fit a 100mn AB and do 600dps at 80km with mega pulse tracking is in fact perfectly balanced, since they occasionally abandon drones, losing precious seconds of DPS right-clicking your drone bay and pressing "launch" i mean the PVP savants of CCP nerfed the optimal + tracking bonus from 7.5 to 5, what more could you possibly want??? i know we're in the same alice but ur crazy those numbers look a little TOO balanced to me like why couldnt the ishtar be balanced in the same way that rockets are balanced if u know what i mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
Capqu Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 913	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:31:28 - [29] - Quote they suck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
Danny John-Peter Snuff Box Snuffed Out 564	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:32:19 - [30] - Quote Viribus wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Hanazava Karyna wrote: So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot. Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes. i think you'll find that nobody uses medium beams and no one ever will as long as railguns are in their current state Apart from all those groups that use Beam Legions or Beam Absos.

Rivr Luzade Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 1004	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:34:10 - [31] - Quote Viribus wrote: i think you'll find that nobody uses medium beams and no one ever will as long as railguns are in their current state Sorry, my name is not Nobody, but I fly a Beam Legion/Zealot and I am happy with it.
Viribus Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 308	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:34:47 - [32] - Quote Danny John-Peter wrote: Viribus wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Hanazava Karyna wrote: So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot. Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes. i think you'll find that nobody uses medium beams and no one ever will as long as railguns are in their current state Apart from all those groups that use Beam Legions or Beam Absos. i think you may have mistakenly pluralized "group", just a heads up watch me be a scurb and get owned
Capqu Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 913	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:35:06 - [33] - Quote when he says nobody he means anyone who can do basic arithmetic and realise that if ur not using 250mms ur wrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1716	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:37:41 - [34] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: beam laser tracking is the highest of the LR guns. And this is an issue why? Rails are the longest range and Arty are the highest Alpha. Why shouldn't Beams have the highest tracking? And if that is an issue, then Arty should be the ones getting a tracking buff, not lasers a Nerf. Since they already have issues tracking at the small gun size.
Capqu Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 914	Posted - 2014.11.27 19:51:48 - [35] - Quote https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=388038&find=unread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
The Ironfist Nordbot Capitals Northern Associates. 72	Posted - 2014.11.27 20:08:55 - [36] - Quote Still ignoring the issue that fitting on T2 Medium beams and Large beams is completely broken nice..
Arronicus Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx 1309	Posted - 2014.11.27 20:22:44 - [37] - Quote Ontopic post here (this isn't medium/large beams/ishtar discussion) Nice to see that you're making a proper change here with the 20% damage buff and much heavier volley damage. While the change to pulse lasers looks wholly ineffective for changing the dynamic, this looks to make small beam lasers potentially useful. +1
Cae Lara Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.11.27 20:29:55 - [38] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Arkon Olacar wrote: Confirming beam legion master race Rail Tengus/Proteii want to have a word with you. Rail t3s don't look as cool as legions on twitch streams though.
MeBiatch GRR GOONS 2023	Posted - 2014.11.27 20:32:07 - [39] - Quote Cool. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote: Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Danny John-Peter Snuff Box Snuffed Out 564	Posted - 2014.11.27 20:57:22 - [40] - Quote Viribus wrote: Danny John-Peter wrote: Viribus wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Hanazava Karyna wrote: So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot. Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes. i think you'll find that nobody uses medium beams and no one ever will as long as railguns are in their current state Apart from all those groups that use Beam Legions or Beam Absos. i think you may have mistakenly pluralized "group", just a heads up Groups that use Beam Absos; Snuffbox Overload Everything Shadow Cartel UCF Groups that use beam legions; PL Snuffbox Overload Everything Shadow Cartel UCF Inulectable Tishu Seems plural to me, and these are just the ones i can run off the top of my head ofc.

Capqu Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 918	Posted - 2014.11.27 20:59:49 - [41] - Quote Danny John-Peter wrote: Groups that use Beam Absos; Snuffbox Overload Everything Shadow Cartel UCF Groups that use beam legions; PL Snuffbox Overload Everything Shadow Cartel UCF Inulectable Tishu Seems plural to me, and these are just the ones i can run off the top of my head ofc. literally who and pl my one man alt corp has an arty gila doctrine but it does that make them a group that use arty gilas????????? irrelivant lowsec garbage and pl having a funcomp to play whack a mole vs bni with doesn't make beam ships a doctrine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
MashXX Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 29	Posted - 2014.11.27 21:17:52 - [42] - Quote Kiting executioners ahoy! Really happy to see one of the lesser used frigate sized weapon systems get a much needed boost. Hopefully you'll also be taking a look at small artillery cannons when the minmatar t3 destroyer gets released. Cheers Fozzie!
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 77	Posted - 2014.11.27 21:31:39 - [43] - Quote Damage buff is a bit high. +15% is my suggestion. Fallout nerf is also a bit much. Lower the falloff of Gleam if that's the issue. If insisting on adjusting the turret, max 20% is my suggestion. ~ Bookmarks in overview ~ Fleet improvements
Deacon Abox Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 430	Posted - 2014.11.27 23:19:31 - [44] - Quote Not sure what to make of this. But at least something is being done. The tracking penalty seems a little heavy though. Wondering when you might get to tiericide on the medium and large beams. Tachyons are a total ***** to fit, and dual heavys are ridiculously easy. Also, Quad Light Beam Lasers have the prettiest gun effects in the game. Would be nice to find a reason to fit and use them. CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
Qvar Dar'Zanar EVE University Ivy League 305	Posted - 2014.11.27 23:38:45 - [45] - Quote Look at all those minnies getting angry at their weapons not being used by all the other empires and their dogs. Suddenly rebalancing is top priority.
Yazzinra Scorpion Ventures Rim Worlds Protectorate 53	Posted - 2014.11.27 23:59:37 - [46] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Arkon Olacar wrote: Confirming beam legion master race Rail Tengus/Proteii want to have a word with you. We here at Sarcasm Monthly regret to inform you that your subscription has lapsed. Kindly send 1 billion isk to "Yazzinra," sans quotation marks, to ensure timely delivery of our publication. Thank you for your support. EDIT: small beams could be a thing? interesting indeed. could you also lower the fittings on medium and large beams and maybe we can have a whole new functioning weapon system?
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 486	Posted - 2014.11.28 00:32:19 - [47] - Quote Bienator II wrote: elitatwo wrote: Bienator II wrote: any changes to aurora/spike ammo? The tracking penalty is insane, i never managed to make anything work when aurora is loaded, even special tracking optimized fits. (will be even worse now with the nerfed turret tracking) Try a beamtasm topic is, small beams m8 eeek, you're right! Sorry dear! Still I think that Gleam S doesn't need more of a nerf. It is difficult enough to fit a mwd a scram and a web on a Navy Slicer- wait, what?? signature
Naoru Kozan Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 84	Posted - 2014.11.28 02:18:09 - [48] - Quote Hanazava Karyna wrote: So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot. Medium beams are fine. Learn to play.
Seamus Donohue EVE University Ivy League 61	Posted - 2014.11.28 04:11:49 - [49] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Klingon Admiral wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: The end result is +20% DPS, unchanged Cap/s, more alpha strike, slightly lower effective range with shortrange ammo and slightly more effective range with longrange ammo. Shouldn't it be a 25% Damage increase, as 1.5/1.2 = 1.25? -20% Rate of Fire is the same as +25% time between shots. So it's actually 1.5/1.25 = 1.2. It's tough to find clear terminology here, unfortunately. Part of the problem is that all bonuses that affect the time between shots are phrased in-game as "rate of fire" percentages when this is actually not correct. A "20% bonus to rate of fire" is phrased incorrectly and is actually a 20% reduction in refire time. The attributes for guns and launchers include an attribute called "Rate of fire" and then list a value in seconds. Speaking as an engineer, this is wrong and it has always been wrong for as long as I've been playing EVE Online. "3.24 s" is not a Rate of fire, it is a refire time: the amount of time between shots fired from the same gun. Real honest-to-goodness rates of fire have units of inverse seconds ( 1/s or s^-1 ). So, if a gun has a refire time of "3.24 s", then the rate of fire is 0.309/s. So, part of the solution here is to clean up the in-game presentation of these values. All string occurrences of "bonus to rate of fire" should be changed to "reduction to refire time", and the "Rate of fire" string for the attribute label should be changed to read "Refire time". Survivor of Teskanen. -áFan of John Rourke. I have video tutorials for EVE Online on my YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/SeamusDonohueEVE
Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 211	Posted - 2014.11.28 04:47:35 - [50] - Quote Adrie Atticus wrote: So because a short-range weapons system is better at long range (Scorch) than the long range system, instead of adjusting the problematic system and restore balance, you start the power creep? I'm expecting blaster and projectile buffs with the respective ships, kkty. Scorch isn't the problem here, for years many of us have been complaining that lasers in general have been under performing. Ccp promised us a full balance pass on lasers. It looks like it's underway. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve... Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...

Mharius Skjem Opacity Circles 211	Posted - 2014.11.28 04:52:13 - [51] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: why only small beams? the other size beams are useless as well. edit: and can you look at renaming the meta 4 lasers? modulated pulse energy beam and modulated energy beam is just horrible. Let's all say no to more dumbing down. Coldgas arcjet thrusters forever. A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve... Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
Catherine Laartii Dominion Fleet Group Templis CALSF 409	Posted - 2014.11.28 06:18:59 - [52] - Quote I am curious to see how this will affect the Succubus. Crusader maybe, but the tracking nerf has me dubious.
Odithia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2014.11.28 09:02:06 - [53] - Quote Anyone care to do a comparison between small beam/railgun/arty ? Beams need to be sensibly better than the other two since a lot of frigs/dessie still have the bonus to capacitor used per turret activation. I feel that a big amarr rebalance is needed and that this bonus is a key point of it.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1905	Posted - 2014.11.28 09:47:56 - [54] - Quote Adrie Atticus wrote: So because a short-range weapons system is better at long range (Scorch) than the long range system, instead of adjusting the problematic system and restore balance, you start the power creep? I'm expecting blaster and projectile buffs with the respective ships, kkty. Pulses have much much worse trackign than blasters and AC, so if they were nerfed they would be useless on the S scale. It is not easy to get a good balance on that scale "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1905	Posted - 2014.11.28 10:00:14 - [55] - Quote Odithia wrote: Anyone care to do a comparison between small beam/railgun/arty ? Beams need to be sensibly better than the other two since a lot of frigs/dessie still have the bonus to capacitor used per turret activation. I feel that a big amarr rebalance is needed and that this bonus is a key point of it. They are.. by FAR stronger than small arties. LEss alpha but far far more dps and far far superior damage application "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1905	Posted - 2014.11.28 10:02:25 - [56] - Quote Mharius Skjem wrote: Adrie Atticus wrote: So because a short-range weapons system is better at long range (Scorch) than the long range system, instead of adjusting the problematic system and restore balance, you start the power creep? I'm expecting blaster and projectile buffs with the respective ships, kkty. Scorch isn't the problem here, for years many of us have been complaining that lasers in general have been under performing. Ccp promised us a full balance pass on lasers. It looks like it's underway. Lasers are NOT underperforming... the whole problem with weapons balance is that BLASTERS (of all sizes) Medium railguns and drones were massively overbuffed. Blasters made ac useless on all realistic scenarios, medium rails make all medium sized lasers near useless. Drones are by far the most powerful weapon system in game. LAsers are in correct balance when you compare to AC and missiles. Theproblem is in GALLENTE being completely OP on the last 3 years. "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Vulfen Snuff Box Snuffed Out 156	Posted - 2014.11.28 10:31:26 - [57] - Quote Capqu wrote: Danny John-Peter wrote: Groups that use Beam Absos; Snuffbox Overload Everything Shadow Cartel UCF Groups that use beam legions; PL Snuffbox Overload Everything Shadow Cartel UCF Inulectable Tishu Seems plural to me, and these are just the ones i can run off the top of my head ofc. literally who and pl my one man alt corp has an arty gila doctrine but it does that make them a group that use arty gilas????????? irrelivant lowsec garbage and pl having a funcomp to play whack a mole vs bni with doesn't make beam ships a doctrine Your a complete moron. Beam legion is the chief "F*K OFF Ishtar comp for many of the people listed above You call lowsec groups irrelivant, id say the same for Pizza, now that ISboxer broadcasting is banned i guess you'll be back to sucking without the 20 bombers in support Join PIZZA... become ********. Also these small beam changes are nice, though i do wish you didn't nerf the tracking, shorter range ammo really struggles to hit alot of targets, i.e drones that have been sent after you.
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 892	Posted - 2014.11.28 11:03:25 - [58] - Quote Catherine Laartii wrote: I am curious to see how this will affect the Succubus. Crusader maybe, but the tracking nerf has me dubious. it'll probably go from terrible to terrible.
Akemon Numon Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.11.28 11:10:05 - [59] - Quote -10% Tracking WTF?
Lloyd Roses Blue-Fire 762	Posted - 2014.11.28 17:34:13 - [60] - Quote With those changes and Aurora S Confessor: 245dps at 75k optimal Retribution: 145dps at 50k optimal Not bad, they'll blend in nicely with other absurdities like sniper cormorants and rail-harpies. So is the confessor going to have an insane price or what is the reason to make it such a sniperbeast? "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"

Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 18061	Posted - 2014.11.28 17:41:59 - [61] - Quote I for one welcome our new soon to be nerfed right after inception Beam Confessor Overlords. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
God's Apples Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED 500	Posted - 2014.11.28 18:31:51 - [62] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: With those changes and Aurora S Confessor: 245dps at 75k optimal Retribution: 145dps at 50k optimal Not bad, they'll blend in nicely with other absurdities like sniper cormorants and rail-harpies. So is the confessor going to have an insane price or what is the reason to make it such a sniperbeast? With a heat sink + t2 collision rig they will do something like 420 dps cold with gleam. The carnage will be glorious. "Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
SFM Hobb3s Wrecking Shots Black Legion. 235	Posted - 2014.11.28 19:12:59 - [63] - Quote I see they've announced the cure for Herp--I mean Harpies.
Flyinghotpocket Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica 463	Posted - 2014.11.29 03:45:58 - [64] - Quote Maybe relax the fitting a little? and add us a 3rd type of beam? ultra giga gatling beam lasozs? Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Eessi Murderous Inc 22	Posted - 2014.11.29 12:52:40 - [65] - Quote Woot!! Excited about the beam confesor fleets!!! Whoop whoop
Phaade Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF 292	Posted - 2014.11.30 00:04:58 - [66] - Quote Viribus wrote: Capqu wrote: ishtars? i think you'll find that a 65k EHP cruiser that can easily fit a 100mn AB and do 600dps at 80km with mega pulse tracking is in fact perfectly balanced, since they occasionally abandon drones, losing precious seconds of DPS right-clicking your drone bay and pressing "launch" i mean the PVP savants of CCP nerfed the optimal + tracking bonus from 7.5 to 5, what more could you possibly want??? GG CCP
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2006	Posted - 2014.11.30 03:34:03 - [67] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Hanazava Karyna wrote: So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot. Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes. Medium beams are quite overpowered. The problem is that medium ships don't have good bonuses to the weapons. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
Catherine Laartii Dominion Fleet Group Templis CALSF 418	Posted - 2014.11.30 07:35:15 - [68] - Quote MashXX wrote: Kiting executioners ahoy! Really happy to see one of the lesser used frigate sized weapon systems get a much needed boost. Hopefully you'll also be taking a look at small artillery cannons when the minmatar t3 destroyer gets released. Cheers Fozzie! Really looking forward to how this plays out on the Crusader; the CPU reduction and dps increases look very promising to me.
Catherine Laartii Dominion Fleet Group Templis CALSF 418	Posted - 2014.11.30 07:37:13 - [69] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Hanazava Karyna wrote: So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot. Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes. Medium beams are quite overpowered. The problem is that medium ships don't have good bonuses to the weapons. True that. If the Zealot got a tracking speed bonus we might see them a little more widely used, but that isn't the case. Oddly enough the legion doesn't have one...I suppose fixing that might help it suck a bit less.
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 492	Posted - 2014.11.30 09:17:47 - [70] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: Medium beams are quite overpowered. The problem is that medium ships don't have good bonuses to the weapons. What? signature

Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2009	Posted - 2014.11.30 11:28:54 - [71] - Quote Medium beams don't need a tracking bonus, they track just fine with scorch ammo. Give them an optimal range bonus and they have overpowered range. The Maller would be decent if defensive ships made decent kiters, but the Maller being a brawler just sets it up for medium pulse lasers which suck. The Omen can lose that capacitor bonus because it's unnecessary as medium beams actually don't draw all that much capacitor in anything but an extended siege (and who in their right mind would use a skirmish ship like the Omen in a siege?). The Harbinger REALLY doesn't need that capacitor cost reduction, as it could easily maintain full lasers during an extended siege. It should get some other bonus instead. The Navy Omen and the Zealot are actually pretty decent. I don't know if the Phantasm is any good but it has a tracking bonus that it probably doesn't need. Otherwise it would make an excellent kiter with that afterburner bonus. Absolution is pretty beast as a beam laser brawler. So I guess the sucky laser boats are the tech 1. Just give one of them a range bonus and it becomes beast. Or you could nerf medium beam laser tracking to a reasonable value--still higher than rails but not THAT much higher--and then make their capacitor cost actually hurt, to justify their incredible DPS. Then the capacitor cost reduction would be nice, tracking bonuses would be useful, and medium laser ships with range bonuses would be less overpowered. Laser boats without the capacitor cost reduction would be quick gank boats (like omen or zealot), while the brawlers (like maller or harbinger) should have the cost reduction. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 828	Posted - 2014.11.30 12:00:25 - [72] - Quote In conjunction with what I said in the pulse thread, I can see this allowing for a beam fit Retribution doctrine. Other laser ships I will still prefer the pulse. If it makes it to medium and large, it will be far less impacting as so many Amarr ships have been converted to missile and drone now. There are very few laser boats left.
Akemon Numon Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.11.30 12:14:51 - [73] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: Medium beams don't need a tracking bonus, they track just fine with scorch ammo. Give them an optimal range bonus and they have overpowered range. The Maller would be decent if defensive ships made decent kiters, but the Maller being a brawler just sets it up for medium pulse lasers which suck. The Omen can lose that capacitor bonus because it's unnecessary as medium beams actually don't draw all that much capacitor in anything but an extended siege (and who in their right mind would use a skirmish ship like the Omen in a siege?). The Harbinger REALLY doesn't need that capacitor cost reduction, as it could easily maintain full lasers during an extended siege. It should get some other bonus instead. The Navy Omen and the Zealot are actually pretty decent. I don't know if the Phantasm is any good but it has a tracking bonus that it probably doesn't need. Otherwise it would make an excellent kiter with that afterburner bonus. Absolution is pretty beast as a beam laser brawler. So I guess the sucky laser boats are the tech 1. Just give one of them a range bonus and it becomes beast. Or you could nerf medium beam laser tracking to a reasonable value--still higher than rails but not THAT much higher--and then make their capacitor cost actually hurt, to justify their incredible DPS. Then the capacitor cost reduction would be nice, tracking bonuses would be useful, and medium laser ships with range bonuses would be less overpowered. Laser boats without the capacitor cost reduction would be quick gank boats (like omen or zealot), while the brawlers (like maller or harbinger) should have the cost reduction. You do realize Scorch only works with T2 Pulse Lasers? "Medium beams don't need a tracking bonus, they track just fine with scorch ammo." So you either don't know your ass from a hole in the ground or are trolling.
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 800	Posted - 2014.11.30 18:48:56 - [74] - Quote I'd wager that the small rails and small arties will get looked at when the other T3 destroyers get released, which may well include turret-wide balances like the Scorch change. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content.
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 1002	Posted - 2014.11.30 18:55:10 - [75] - Quote Bronson Hughes wrote: I'd wager that the small rails and small arties will get looked at when the other T3 destroyers get released, which may well include turret-wide balances like the Scorch change. perhaps then missiles will finally get looked at .. - HAM's and rockets needs -50% range , but with some damage buffs in exchange - maybe remove the lame rapid launchers gimmick for some proper missile options of appropriate sizes - new missile tracking mods , - nerf cruises range down and slight ROF nerf.. Rise you know you overbuffed them Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please
Schneevva Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 5	Posted - 2014.12.01 06:30:36 - [76] - Quote Bronson Hughes wrote: I'd wager that the small rails and small arties will get looked at when the other T3 destroyers get released, which may well include turret-wide balances like the Scorch change. Why exactly would this happen?
Reynas Arthie The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing 3	Posted - 2014.12.02 00:17:06 - [77] - Quote Have been using small beam Tormentors and Executioners since the frigate re-balances. +20% DPS and better alpha is very welcome might even verge on the OP.
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 1946	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:16:00 - [78] - Quote No one uses these, therefore any change is effectively irrelevant anyway, so go for it. J's before K's. Prolapse. Turning holes inside out with pew pew. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 1946	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:18:34 - [79] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: Medium beams don't need a tracking bonus, they track just fine with scorch ammo. Quoted to illustrate stupidity. J's before K's. Prolapse. Turning holes inside out with pew pew. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
Anthar Thebess 811	Posted - 2014.12.02 09:30:39 - [80] - Quote Can we have similar changes to Dread guns? Dreadnought lasers really need some love.

Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1909	Posted - 2014.12.02 09:31:55 - [81] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: I for one welcome our new soon to be nerfed right after inception Beam Confessor Overlords. They still did not nerf the even more overpowered mordus ships... "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1909	Posted - 2014.12.02 09:33:53 - [82] - Quote Harvey James wrote: Bronson Hughes wrote: I'd wager that the small rails and small arties will get looked at when the other T3 destroyers get released, which may well include turret-wide balances like the Scorch change. perhaps then missiles will finally get looked at .. - HAM's and rockets needs -50% range , but with some damage buffs in exchange - maybe remove the lame rapid launchers gimmick for some proper missile options of appropriate sizes - new missile tracking mods , - nerf cruises range down and slight ROF nerf.. Rise you know you overbuffed them 50% is a bit too much.... Rockets woudl get inti REALLY useles status .. Even hams are not problematic.. the problem is when they are combined with the LOTS of ships with missile velocity bonus. Check hams on a prophecy or Cyclone, they are not overpowered there. "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1909	Posted - 2014.12.02 09:35:57 - [83] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: With those changes and Aurora S Confessor: 245dps at 75k optimal Retribution: 145dps at 50k optimal Not bad, they'll blend in nicely with other absurdities like sniper cormorants and rail-harpies. So is the confessor going to have an insane price or what is the reason to make it such a sniperbeast? They are making the confessor to counter the current interceptor meta. Want to bring a gang of interceptors? great for you.. you will be toasted by confessors at a 5:1 ratio. "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 905	Posted - 2014.12.02 14:40:43 - [84] - Quote so I tried fitting these, and even after like 3 fitting buffs, they're still impossible
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 1006	Posted - 2014.12.02 14:44:19 - [85] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Harvey James wrote: Bronson Hughes wrote: I'd wager that the small rails and small arties will get looked at when the other T3 destroyers get released, which may well include turret-wide balances like the Scorch change. perhaps then missiles will finally get looked at .. - HAM's and rockets needs -50% range , but with some damage buffs in exchange - maybe remove the lame rapid launchers gimmick for some proper missile options of appropriate sizes - new missile tracking mods , - nerf cruises range down and slight ROF nerf.. Rise you know you overbuffed them 50% is a bit too much.... Rockets woudl get inti REALLY useles status .. Even hams are not problematic.. the problem is when they are combined with the LOTS of ships with missile velocity bonus. Check hams on a prophecy or Cyclone, they are not overpowered there. well as with guns and all mods in general as they step up a size the range is always increased substantially 100% often ... now they could buff torp range too achieve this but torps at 40km basic or more is far too much.. 60km with javs i think .. so the other option is nerfing HAM's and rockets too achieve the normal pattern, (_km) being normal pattern is should be. rockets - 10km ( 5km) HAM's - 20km (10km) Torps - 40km (20km) another option could be making missiles behave differently too all other modules , with say a 50% increase per size so rockets - 10km HAM's - 15km Torps 20km Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please
Templar Dane Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica 268	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:00:11 - [86] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: so I tried fitting these, and even after like 3 fitting buffs, they're still impossible An old joke from way back mentioned that there is only ONE type of small beam, the dual light beam. Because of the insane fitting requirements on the focused beam.....
Templar Dane Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica 268	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:03:56 - [87] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: They are making the confessor to counter the current interceptor meta. Want to bring a gang of interceptors? great for you.. you will be toasted by confessors at a 5:1 ratio. I'm not so sure that will be the case, since they lack a tracking bonus.
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 905	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:02:38 - [88] - Quote nobody cares about tracking. you have you range because tracking disruptors exist, so you cannot shoot kitescum.
Templar Dane Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica 268	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:53:44 - [89] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: nobody cares about tracking. you have no range because tracking disruptors exist, so you cannot shoot kitescum. As someone who has spent quite a bit of time in a coercer, a ship with a 50% tracking bonus, I can say that tracking is an issue. An ab frigate or one with a TD can get under it's guns, even when fitted with pulse lasers, and it has a pretty big bonus the confessor doesn't....
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 905	Posted - 2014.12.02 21:13:04 - [90] - Quote Templar Dane wrote: TrouserDeagle wrote: nobody cares about tracking. you have no range because tracking disruptors exist, so you cannot shoot kitescum. As someone who has spent quite a bit of time in a coercer, a ship with a 50% tracking bonus, I can say that tracking is an issue. An ab frigate or one with a TD can get under it's guns, even when fitted with pulse lasers, and it has a pretty big bonus the confessor doesn't.... fit a web. +150% tracking speed if you're sitting still, more if you're moving.

Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 1015	Posted - 2014.12.02 21:45:15 - [91] - Quote tracking disruptors need a nerf , mind you most e-war does beside ecm .. especially with drones being so strong atm, makes ecm less useful.. Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please
Goldensaver Lom Corporation Shadow of xXDEATHXx 407	Posted - 2014.12.03 00:27:19 - [92] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: Templar Dane wrote: TrouserDeagle wrote: nobody cares about tracking. you have no range because tracking disruptors exist, so you cannot shoot kitescum. As someone who has spent quite a bit of time in a coercer, a ship with a 50% tracking bonus, I can say that tracking is an issue. An ab frigate or one with a TD can get under it's guns, even when fitted with pulse lasers, and it has a pretty big bonus the confessor doesn't.... fit a web. +150% tracking speed if you're sitting still, more if you're moving. Probably one of my favourite uses of the new mid slot. Now on the Coercer, that's unfortunately not an option. It's really a shame.
Reynas Arthie The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing 4	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:05:18 - [93] - Quote Every ship setup that I have flown with Small focused pulse lasers can pretty much be fitted with small focussed beam lasers with little to no fitting modification. And on top of it all the current small beams give me almost identical DPS if the right crystals are selected. The new beam lasers are going to give so much more it is great! EAT LASER SCUM!!
Ashlar Vellum 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 128	Posted - 2014.12.05 09:25:01 - [94] - Quote Fozzie why -10% tracking , is it 'cause of +10% optimal?
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 824	Posted - 2014.12.05 15:25:44 - [95] - Quote Schneevva wrote: Bronson Hughes wrote: I'd wager that the small rails and small arties will get looked at when the other T3 destroyers get released, which may well include turret-wide balances like the Scorch change. Why exactly would this happen? Given that the small beam and scorch changes were timed to coincide with the release of the first D3, it seems that CCP is taking their balance rather seriously and will likely tweak other D3 weapon systems accordingly. Mind you, this is pure speculation. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content.
Flyinghotpocket Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica 466	Posted - 2014.12.07 15:58:02 - [96] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: nobody cares about tracking. you have no range because tracking disruptors exist, so you cannot shoot kitescum. yea your right, nobody cares about tracking anymore. since the game has come full circle. everybody uses drones and missiles now thus condors are not longer using dual tracking disruptors enmass they are using sensor damps now. Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 153	Posted - 2014.12.14 13:50:05 - [97] - Quote Always used pulse lasers since day 1. Now would probably be a good idea to check out beams....


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