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Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 18061	Posted - 2014.11.28 17:41:59 - [61] - Quote I for one welcome our new soon to be nerfed right after inception Beam Confessor Overlords. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
God's Apples Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED 500	Posted - 2014.11.28 18:31:51 - [62] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: With those changes and Aurora S Confessor: 245dps at 75k optimal Retribution: 145dps at 50k optimal Not bad, they'll blend in nicely with other absurdities like sniper cormorants and rail-harpies. So is the confessor going to have an insane price or what is the reason to make it such a sniperbeast? With a heat sink + t2 collision rig they will do something like 420 dps cold with gleam. The carnage will be glorious. "Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX
SFM Hobb3s Wrecking Shots Black Legion. 235	Posted - 2014.11.28 19:12:59 - [63] - Quote I see they've announced the cure for Herp--I mean Harpies.
Flyinghotpocket Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica 463	Posted - 2014.11.29 03:45:58 - [64] - Quote Maybe relax the fitting a little? and add us a 3rd type of beam? ultra giga gatling beam lasozs? Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Eessi Murderous Inc 22	Posted - 2014.11.29 12:52:40 - [65] - Quote Woot!! Excited about the beam confesor fleets!!! Whoop whoop
Phaade Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF 292	Posted - 2014.11.30 00:04:58 - [66] - Quote Viribus wrote: Capqu wrote: ishtars? i think you'll find that a 65k EHP cruiser that can easily fit a 100mn AB and do 600dps at 80km with mega pulse tracking is in fact perfectly balanced, since they occasionally abandon drones, losing precious seconds of DPS right-clicking your drone bay and pressing "launch" i mean the PVP savants of CCP nerfed the optimal + tracking bonus from 7.5 to 5, what more could you possibly want??? GG CCP
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2006	Posted - 2014.11.30 03:34:03 - [67] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Hanazava Karyna wrote: So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot. Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes. Medium beams are quite overpowered. The problem is that medium ships don't have good bonuses to the weapons. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
Catherine Laartii Dominion Fleet Group Templis CALSF 418	Posted - 2014.11.30 07:35:15 - [68] - Quote MashXX wrote: Kiting executioners ahoy! Really happy to see one of the lesser used frigate sized weapon systems get a much needed boost. Hopefully you'll also be taking a look at small artillery cannons when the minmatar t3 destroyer gets released. Cheers Fozzie! Really looking forward to how this plays out on the Crusader; the CPU reduction and dps increases look very promising to me.
Catherine Laartii Dominion Fleet Group Templis CALSF 418	Posted - 2014.11.30 07:37:13 - [69] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Hanazava Karyna wrote: So, finally, small beams are good to use? Large can be used to detent PvE so now I'm waiting for medium ones. Good changes, thanks a lot. Medium Beams aren't perfect, but I think you'll find them in fairly decent shape since the Odyssey 1.1 changes. Medium beams are quite overpowered. The problem is that medium ships don't have good bonuses to the weapons. True that. If the Zealot got a tracking speed bonus we might see them a little more widely used, but that isn't the case. Oddly enough the legion doesn't have one...I suppose fixing that might help it suck a bit less.
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 492	Posted - 2014.11.30 09:17:47 - [70] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: Medium beams are quite overpowered. The problem is that medium ships don't have good bonuses to the weapons. What? signature
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 2009	Posted - 2014.11.30 11:28:54 - [71] - Quote Medium beams don't need a tracking bonus, they track just fine with scorch ammo. Give them an optimal range bonus and they have overpowered range. The Maller would be decent if defensive ships made decent kiters, but the Maller being a brawler just sets it up for medium pulse lasers which suck. The Omen can lose that capacitor bonus because it's unnecessary as medium beams actually don't draw all that much capacitor in anything but an extended siege (and who in their right mind would use a skirmish ship like the Omen in a siege?). The Harbinger REALLY doesn't need that capacitor cost reduction, as it could easily maintain full lasers during an extended siege. It should get some other bonus instead. The Navy Omen and the Zealot are actually pretty decent. I don't know if the Phantasm is any good but it has a tracking bonus that it probably doesn't need. Otherwise it would make an excellent kiter with that afterburner bonus. Absolution is pretty beast as a beam laser brawler. So I guess the sucky laser boats are the tech 1. Just give one of them a range bonus and it becomes beast. Or you could nerf medium beam laser tracking to a reasonable value--still higher than rails but not THAT much higher--and then make their capacitor cost actually hurt, to justify their incredible DPS. Then the capacitor cost reduction would be nice, tracking bonuses would be useful, and medium laser ships with range bonuses would be less overpowered. Laser boats without the capacitor cost reduction would be quick gank boats (like omen or zealot), while the brawlers (like maller or harbinger) should have the cost reduction. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) "What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 828	Posted - 2014.11.30 12:00:25 - [72] - Quote In conjunction with what I said in the pulse thread, I can see this allowing for a beam fit Retribution doctrine. Other laser ships I will still prefer the pulse. If it makes it to medium and large, it will be far less impacting as so many Amarr ships have been converted to missile and drone now. There are very few laser boats left.
Akemon Numon Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.11.30 12:14:51 - [73] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: Medium beams don't need a tracking bonus, they track just fine with scorch ammo. Give them an optimal range bonus and they have overpowered range. The Maller would be decent if defensive ships made decent kiters, but the Maller being a brawler just sets it up for medium pulse lasers which suck. The Omen can lose that capacitor bonus because it's unnecessary as medium beams actually don't draw all that much capacitor in anything but an extended siege (and who in their right mind would use a skirmish ship like the Omen in a siege?). The Harbinger REALLY doesn't need that capacitor cost reduction, as it could easily maintain full lasers during an extended siege. It should get some other bonus instead. The Navy Omen and the Zealot are actually pretty decent. I don't know if the Phantasm is any good but it has a tracking bonus that it probably doesn't need. Otherwise it would make an excellent kiter with that afterburner bonus. Absolution is pretty beast as a beam laser brawler. So I guess the sucky laser boats are the tech 1. Just give one of them a range bonus and it becomes beast. Or you could nerf medium beam laser tracking to a reasonable value--still higher than rails but not THAT much higher--and then make their capacitor cost actually hurt, to justify their incredible DPS. Then the capacitor cost reduction would be nice, tracking bonuses would be useful, and medium laser ships with range bonuses would be less overpowered. Laser boats without the capacitor cost reduction would be quick gank boats (like omen or zealot), while the brawlers (like maller or harbinger) should have the cost reduction. You do realize Scorch only works with T2 Pulse Lasers? "Medium beams don't need a tracking bonus, they track just fine with scorch ammo." So you either don't know your ass from a hole in the ground or are trolling.
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 800	Posted - 2014.11.30 18:48:56 - [74] - Quote I'd wager that the small rails and small arties will get looked at when the other T3 destroyers get released, which may well include turret-wide balances like the Scorch change. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content.
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 1002	Posted - 2014.11.30 18:55:10 - [75] - Quote Bronson Hughes wrote: I'd wager that the small rails and small arties will get looked at when the other T3 destroyers get released, which may well include turret-wide balances like the Scorch change. perhaps then missiles will finally get looked at .. - HAM's and rockets needs -50% range , but with some damage buffs in exchange - maybe remove the lame rapid launchers gimmick for some proper missile options of appropriate sizes - new missile tracking mods , - nerf cruises range down and slight ROF nerf.. Rise you know you overbuffed them Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please
Schneevva Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 5	Posted - 2014.12.01 06:30:36 - [76] - Quote Bronson Hughes wrote: I'd wager that the small rails and small arties will get looked at when the other T3 destroyers get released, which may well include turret-wide balances like the Scorch change. Why exactly would this happen?
Reynas Arthie The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing 3	Posted - 2014.12.02 00:17:06 - [77] - Quote Have been using small beam Tormentors and Executioners since the frigate re-balances. +20% DPS and better alpha is very welcome might even verge on the OP.
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 1946	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:16:00 - [78] - Quote No one uses these, therefore any change is effectively irrelevant anyway, so go for it. J's before K's. Prolapse. Turning holes inside out with pew pew. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 1946	Posted - 2014.12.02 02:18:34 - [79] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: Medium beams don't need a tracking bonus, they track just fine with scorch ammo. Quoted to illustrate stupidity. J's before K's. Prolapse. Turning holes inside out with pew pew. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
Anthar Thebess 811	Posted - 2014.12.02 09:30:39 - [80] - Quote Can we have similar changes to Dread guns? Dreadnought lasers really need some love.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1909	Posted - 2014.12.02 09:31:55 - [81] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: I for one welcome our new soon to be nerfed right after inception Beam Confessor Overlords. They still did not nerf the even more overpowered mordus ships... "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1909	Posted - 2014.12.02 09:33:53 - [82] - Quote Harvey James wrote: Bronson Hughes wrote: I'd wager that the small rails and small arties will get looked at when the other T3 destroyers get released, which may well include turret-wide balances like the Scorch change. perhaps then missiles will finally get looked at .. - HAM's and rockets needs -50% range , but with some damage buffs in exchange - maybe remove the lame rapid launchers gimmick for some proper missile options of appropriate sizes - new missile tracking mods , - nerf cruises range down and slight ROF nerf.. Rise you know you overbuffed them 50% is a bit too much.... Rockets woudl get inti REALLY useles status .. Even hams are not problematic.. the problem is when they are combined with the LOTS of ships with missile velocity bonus. Check hams on a prophecy or Cyclone, they are not overpowered there. "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1909	Posted - 2014.12.02 09:35:57 - [83] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: With those changes and Aurora S Confessor: 245dps at 75k optimal Retribution: 145dps at 50k optimal Not bad, they'll blend in nicely with other absurdities like sniper cormorants and rail-harpies. So is the confessor going to have an insane price or what is the reason to make it such a sniperbeast? They are making the confessor to counter the current interceptor meta. Want to bring a gang of interceptors? great for you.. you will be toasted by confessors at a 5:1 ratio. "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 905	Posted - 2014.12.02 14:40:43 - [84] - Quote so I tried fitting these, and even after like 3 fitting buffs, they're still impossible
Harvey James The Sengoku Legacy 1006	Posted - 2014.12.02 14:44:19 - [85] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Harvey James wrote: Bronson Hughes wrote: I'd wager that the small rails and small arties will get looked at when the other T3 destroyers get released, which may well include turret-wide balances like the Scorch change. perhaps then missiles will finally get looked at .. - HAM's and rockets needs -50% range , but with some damage buffs in exchange - maybe remove the lame rapid launchers gimmick for some proper missile options of appropriate sizes - new missile tracking mods , - nerf cruises range down and slight ROF nerf.. Rise you know you overbuffed them 50% is a bit too much.... Rockets woudl get inti REALLY useles status .. Even hams are not problematic.. the problem is when they are combined with the LOTS of ships with missile velocity bonus. Check hams on a prophecy or Cyclone, they are not overpowered there. well as with guns and all mods in general as they step up a size the range is always increased substantially 100% often ... now they could buff torp range too achieve this but torps at 40km basic or more is far too much.. 60km with javs i think .. so the other option is nerfing HAM's and rockets too achieve the normal pattern, (_km) being normal pattern is should be. rockets - 10km ( 5km) HAM's - 20km (10km) Torps - 40km (20km) another option could be making missiles behave differently too all other modules , with say a 50% increase per size so rockets - 10km HAM's - 15km Torps 20km Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please
Templar Dane Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica 268	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:00:11 - [86] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: so I tried fitting these, and even after like 3 fitting buffs, they're still impossible An old joke from way back mentioned that there is only ONE type of small beam, the dual light beam. Because of the insane fitting requirements on the focused beam.....
Templar Dane Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica 268	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:03:56 - [87] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: They are making the confessor to counter the current interceptor meta. Want to bring a gang of interceptors? great for you.. you will be toasted by confessors at a 5:1 ratio. I'm not so sure that will be the case, since they lack a tracking bonus.
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 905	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:02:38 - [88] - Quote nobody cares about tracking. you have you range because tracking disruptors exist, so you cannot shoot kitescum.
Templar Dane Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica 268	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:53:44 - [89] - Quote TrouserDeagle wrote: nobody cares about tracking. you have no range because tracking disruptors exist, so you cannot shoot kitescum. As someone who has spent quite a bit of time in a coercer, a ship with a 50% tracking bonus, I can say that tracking is an issue. An ab frigate or one with a TD can get under it's guns, even when fitted with pulse lasers, and it has a pretty big bonus the confessor doesn't....
TrouserDeagle Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 905	Posted - 2014.12.02 21:13:04 - [90] - Quote Templar Dane wrote: TrouserDeagle wrote: nobody cares about tracking. you have no range because tracking disruptors exist, so you cannot shoot kitescum. As someone who has spent quite a bit of time in a coercer, a ship with a 50% tracking bonus, I can say that tracking is an issue. An ab frigate or one with a TD can get under it's guns, even when fitted with pulse lasers, and it has a pretty big bonus the confessor doesn't.... fit a web. +150% tracking speed if you're sitting still, more if you're moving.

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