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Veto1024	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:36:00 - [121] Edited by: Veto1024 on 03/09/2006 22:40:28 1) Players create too many bookmarks 2) Players copy and sell bookmarks 3) Players copy bookmarks like mad today and crash clusters 4) Players are asked to stop copying, ignored. CCP's fault, sure. And since we're toying with the idea of a "warp to 0km" idea, why not just let us instantly jump from Jita to Rens. Same thing. Having to actually move in Eve was a buggy idea from the beginning. Infact, wheres my "Easy" button? If you realize how insane that idea is, maybe you think removing bookmarks within 150km is a better idea. Think Jita is bad now? Just wait until freighter pilots realize they can't go from Jita to say, Gallente space without having to do the actual travel. Going from Kaunokka to Jita in my badger II is an annoyance, think how they would have it (then again, i've always felt transporting things should never be a speed-critical concept when you're dealing with such huge amounts). I think the only reasonable answer to this is to stop letting bookmarks be traded, sold, escrowed... have any characteristics that makes them capable of being transfered to another player. A less drastic idea might be get rid of escrowing bookmarks. Limiting it to player/player trades or letting your corp use them by allowing them to be put in hangars would at least help the problem. Also, are there any devs that could take a stab at that "ban all bookmark copying until the patch" suggestion? What would actually be involved in doing such a drastic thing? More precisely, how LONG would it take to impliment such a suggestion (and would it require server restarts?). I've always wondered what would happen if CCP... jacked the price up of membership? Would say, $5USD/month per membership allow more people to come in (employees) and allow more hardware and more bandwith? I personally would pay it...
MrShooter Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:38:00 - [122] Find the players that are copying non-stop untill tuesday and delete all bookmarks they have, in people and places and in any items hangers.
Azerrad	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:38:00 - [123] Originally by: Valar We have lost 4 nodes tonight. It seems that extreme bookmark copying is causing nodes to time out and the cluster thus consitering them dead. Over 900.000 bookmarks have been copied since downtime. We are keeping a close eye on the situtation. Theres a freaking shock... who would have expected every person in the game to make a mad rush copying bookmarks since that ability is getting severly nerfed in the next patch. Really, what did you expect? How about taking the time to implement a real fix instead of some asinine band-aid hack which won't do a thing to address the real issue? signature removed - please email us if you want to find out why (include the URL to it) - Jacques([email protected])
Audrea Widowmakers Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:38:00 - [124] Edited by: Audrea on 03/09/2006 22:38:30 Originally by: Gorr Hajus I am on the 7 day trial. I was hoping to find a good game to go to after being bored by other games. I seriously doubt it now. I am in Jita and had no idea it was a bad zone. Plus I had no choice to go there because I had a storyline mission that was "very important". I missed the bonus and will probably fail the mission. I was disconnected 3 times and read 4 chapters in a novel waiting for it while the screen that says Entering the game was up for about an hour. Plus I can't play another character because 1. he cannot train because my 1st character is training, 2. he can't finish the tutorial because I am not allowed past the part teaching you about training because I can't train (I can always cancel out of the tutorial - but I miss a lot. I'd still do it if not for #3 ->>>), and 3. my 2nd character is crashing as much as my 1st character. Dont worry about the in game tutorial. it doesnt even teach you 1/10000 of the game.. just do trial and errors ;) If you still cant find how to do something, try right click in space, it will give you all options usually. If that doesnt help, use the noobie help chan. ------------------ Tired of fleet combat lag? -Post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Hamatitio Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:39:00 - [125] If everyone gets warp to 0 range... They need to fix interdictor bubbles. How long would it take to fix them? Honestly... --- I'm going through sigs fast these days.
ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:41:00 - [126] first point is CCP have no forsite in this they are dam foolish for anouncing this pre patch, this is were stelth changes are usefull DOH. secondly puching patch back so alowing players to actually ready the notes and for corp/aliance's to spread the word. thirdly for not expecting this. gate to gate travel is needed end off, no way around that so they have to pick a new solution now really and get it coded and working fast (like for KAIL) weather thats a skill to get to 0Km warp point or just a blanket ability to do so. or a way to move BM's on to the players clinat and off the server im not sure but it need fixing and selecting a way now or it will only get a larger problem. ------------------------------------ Dragon the patch to optimise EVE. Welcome to Tranquillity the optimised snail Please wait 4 minuets to jump war targets are 2 seconds away.
Feline Ferocity Caldari The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:43:00 - [127] Originally by: MrShooter Find the players that are copying non-stop untill tuesday and delete all bookmarks they have, in people and places and in any items hangers. Though there is a way around that, the people doing it could easily jusy buy them again and re-copy them, adding twice or even 3 times much more lag. Whats 10-15m to them when they can just make that back and more each time? I'm just rambling because the servers are laggy and i can't do much else ------- We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES. New content that does not work is WORTHLESS.
Veto1024	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:44:00 - [128] Originally by: Azerrad Theres a freaking shock... who would have expected every person in the game to make a mad rush copying bookmarks since that ability is getting severly nerfed in the next patch. Really, what did you expect? How about taking the time to implement a real fix instead of some asinine band-aid hack which won't do a thing to address the real issue? I think they expected the majority of Eve players to have enough neurons firing in their brains to be able to tell that their actions are causing the problems. I mean really, the player base is kinda dumb and CCP thinks too much of them. Remember when they said they were having problems with BPO's showing up as BPC's and visa versa? What did you find on escrow right after they announced that they would BAN people found exploiting that? BPC's being sold as BPO's without the usual scamming tricks you normally see.
Malkavian Spirit Minmatar Instant Travel Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:48:00 - [129] Originally by: Veto1024 Originally by: Azerrad Theres a freaking shock... who would have expected every person in the game to make a mad rush copying bookmarks since that ability is getting severly nerfed in the next patch. Really, what did you expect? How about taking the time to implement a real fix instead of some asinine band-aid hack which won't do a thing to address the real issue? I think they expected the majority of Eve players to have enough neurons firing in their brains to be able to tell that their actions are causing the problems. I mean really, the player base is kinda dumb and CCP thinks too much of them. Remember when they said they were having problems with BPO's showing up as BPC's and visa versa? What did you find on escrow right after they announced that they would BAN people found exploiting that? BPC's being sold as BPO's without the usual scamming tricks you normally see. hey m8 you are a part of that player base remember that. What was ccp expecting? for people not to copy all the instas they can before the patch? cmon......
Eriv Kendri Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:50:00 - [130] Heh, no better way to demonstrate the negative impact of instas on the server than this - dons his tinfoil hat
Veto1024	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:54:00 - [131] Edited by: Veto1024 on 03/09/2006 22:54:33 Originally by: Malkavian Spirit hey m8 you are a part of that player base remember that. What was ccp expecting? for people not to copy all the instas they can before the patch? cmon...... Ok, everyone but me is dumb. You know what i mean , the people who would take any warning as an opportunity to screw people over. I honestly think they figured the players would listen. We all play this game... but the GM's just code for it. We know what the people are like, how fast exploits are taken advantage of, etc etc. They don't have the luxury of being able to play and look at the forums all the time and really get to know the people who play like we do. When they had a glitch where concord wasn't working, i stayed docked because i had a bad feeling about what was waiting outside that station. I really would like to know how many empire kills there were compared to normal when they had that announcement even though they said they would ban people who exploited it.
Harris	Posted - 2006.09.03 22:54:00 - [132] BMs per se are not the problem. Saying Ban them outright is non-sensical and ill thought through. They are needed for more than instas, such as safespots, loot cans, ammo cans, scouting points, warp in points for fights... the list goes on. If they were removed wholesale from the game then we might as well just have a brief flash when we warp and the next screen loads as we move from one fixed celestial object to another with no space inbetween. For sure the game would be less laggy but at what cost. If BMs were to be removed from anywhere other than around gates then peoples ships and cans left in space would have to be given back to them before hand, if that's doable then great, go ahead and delete the things. If not then they need to stay. A purge of BMs is a good idea and in my opinion making new ones uncopyable isn't such a bad thing in the long run. It would screw me over as much as the next guy as I use them between two characters when/if they work together, but it would reward a gang that's done it's homework in enemy territory with a scout/gang leader who'd be able to lead his gang rather than just rely on the ability to source a good set of BMs. I don't think that 'warp to Okm' is the solution to instas, rather a method of warping to gates more accurately - be it module or skill based or perhaps just a reduction in the warp to distance. Maybe even a gang based skill that allows a gang leader to make more accurate warps if he's skilled up...? Whatever happens we all agree the system needs to change. Knee jerk panicking and vitriol aimed at the GMs and CCP because of tonights problems isn't going to help though, lessons will be learnt and things will improve. How about everybody be cool. Take a deeeeeeeeeep breath
Harris	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:00:00 - [133] Originally by: Feline Ferocity .... Anyway, you can make safespots without bookmarks, just waste half your cap with a MWD then warp somewhere, you wouldn't need to worry about people finding your safe and waiting there until you go there again, chances are you wouldn't land in the same place (unless your lucky/unlucky, depending on the situation) Plus they aren't going to get rid of probes, so if you had a safespot with cans there you can just probe them. I do still think CCP should get rid of BMs end full stop, and make a warp to 0km option thingy. (that actually works) Meh Edit: spelling You can't use probes to scan for cans so that answer doesn't work Not everyone fits MWD, some ships are actually set up to not run out of cap so making ss would be a freaking nightmare trying to use your system. BMs are used for scouting as well as safespotting, be it of belts, gates or stations. Think your ideas through before presenting them, BMs have to stay. How they are used/copied/stored has to change.
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:01:00 - [134] Originally by: Veto1024 Originally by: Miss Overlord OK HERE IT IS AGAIN CCP PUT AN IMMEDAIATE BAN ON BM COPYING UNTIL TOMORROWS PATCH AFTER THAT PPL WILL BE LIMITED TO BATCHES OF 5 AT A TIME AND NO MORE This will solve the last minute rush sure it might upset some idiots but hey will make the game playable for 90% of the player base so get to it Again, does anyone know if its even possible to ban the copying without big code changes or server reboots etc etc? from what ive red its just a matter of a server downtime a little click box disabling bookmark copying for the next 36 hours and then tomorrows patch will resolve it to 5 at a time - simple and logical hence its being ignored
Veto1024	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:03:00 - [135] Does anyone else think the idea of bookmarks being an actual item kind of seem weird? When i first realized you could copy a bookmark and it would be an actual thing in your hangar if you wanted... i thought someone took one too many drinks 3 years ago in Beta and no one ever noticed.... Isn't it kinda like putting your portrait into the hangar? Or money (which would actually be more realistic)? Seems out of place in Eve....
Feline Ferocity Caldari The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:03:00 - [136] Originally by: Miss Overlord OK HERE IT IS AGAIN CCP PUT AN IMMEDAIATE BAN ON BM COPYING UNTIL TOMORROWS PATCH AFTER THAT PPL WILL BE LIMITED TO BATCHES OF 5 AT A TIME AND NO MORE Lol, ok i think you made your point... (about 3/4 times now, i lost count) Calm blue ocean.... Calm blue ocean, deep breaths in through the nose, out through the mouth come on i know you can do it ------- We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES. New content that does not work is WORTHLESS.
Veto1024	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:04:00 - [137] Originally by: Miss Overlord from what ive red its just a matter of a server downtime a little click box disabling bookmark copying for the next 36 hours and then tomorrows patch will resolve it to 5 at a time - simple and logical hence its being ignored Hmm I would be surprised if there was a little "click box"... did a dev tell you this?
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:04:00 - [138] Originally by: Feline Ferocity Originally by: Miss Overlord OK HERE IT IS AGAIN CCP PUT AN IMMEDAIATE BAN ON BM COPYING UNTIL TOMORROWS PATCH AFTER THAT PPL WILL BE LIMITED TO BATCHES OF 5 AT A TIME AND NO MORE Lol, ok i think you made your point... (about 3/4 times now, i lost count) Calm blue ocean.... Calm blue ocean, deep breaths in through the nose, out through the mouth come on i know you can do it [light blue] calm blue ocean calm blue ocean [/light blue]
Anomaly21 Caldari Beasts of Burden Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:04:00 - [139] Originally by: Anomaly21 Ok AFAIK the reason the BM limitation is being put into place is people exploiting game mechanics and copying BM's into shuttles and leaving them in POS's to lag out attackers and such. It has nothing to do with instas. So to fix this and not having to deal with the big problem of finding a decent replacement why can't you just make it so that BMs can only be copied while docked in stations into the items window and cannot be placed into any ships hangar or containers or anything of the like? This would fix the problem of people using BMs to exploit game mechanics and it wouldn't cause an extreme uproar from the majority of the game community not having instas or being able to copy them. The current idea to fix the situation is just going to cause an uproar with the majority of the community and isn't going to stop the minority that is causing the problem. Even though you'll only be able to copy 5 at a time people will still sit there and copy exploiting away. All that means is they have to make more clicks now. This is not my idea. I saw it posted and no one responded to it. So I am reposting this and will hopefuly get a response to why this can't be done .. and please correct me if I'm wrong. ^^ COUGH COUGH Seriously .... helloooo? ^^ You're friendly neighborhood ECM Queen :o
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:05:00 - [140] Originally by: Veto1024 Does anyone else think the idea of bookmarks being an actual item kind of seem weird? When i first realized you could copy a bookmark and it would be an actual thing in your hangar if you wanted... i thought someone took one too many drinks 3 years ago in Beta and no one ever noticed.... Isn't it kinda like putting your portrait into the hangar? Or money (which would actually be more realistic)? Seems out of place in Eve.... its an anolmoly from the early days these things take a life of thier own
Veto1024	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:06:00 - [141] Originally by: Anomaly21 ^^ COUGH COUGH Seriously .... helloooo? ^^ Sorry anomaly21, it shows how much people actually care about POS's. When (or if) they are causing even a game-wide problem, they're still ignored .
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:07:00 - [142] CCP now it is the time to nuke the BMS and bring the solution ,the solution i propose?NO MORE FU*** BM want to warp?Warp to 15Km all . Only the stronger will survive but who cares we whould be 5K users again all blasting our own heads off . PLEASE CCP DON¦T GO THE EASY WAY TO implement the option to 0Km to gates.
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:07:00 - [143] Originally by: Veto1024 Originally by: Anomaly21 ^^ COUGH COUGH Seriously .... helloooo? ^^ Sorry anomaly21, it shows how much people actually care about POS's. When (or if) they are causing even a game-wide problem, they're still ignored . define POS problems sure its game wide but is it really that much of a problem

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Anomaly21 Caldari Beasts of Burden Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:14:00 - [145] Originally by: Miss Overlord Originally by: Veto1024 Originally by: Anomaly21 ^^ COUGH COUGH Seriously .... helloooo? ^^ Sorry anomaly21, it shows how much people actually care about POS's. When (or if) they are causing even a game-wide problem, they're still ignored . define POS problems sure its game wide but is it really that much of a problem uhhh... you do realise that's why this whole deal with limiting bms is being applied right? even though it's not going to work but that's not the point. You're friendly neighborhood ECM Queen :o
Nerf Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:19:00 - [146] Is anyone else getting flashbacks to pre-yarrdware Jita/Oursalert? Signature removed as the image is unsuitable. If you have any questions, please mail us on [email protected] and include a link to the image in question. -Ivan K
Feline Ferocity Caldari The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:19:00 - [147] Originally by: Harris Originally by: Feline Ferocity .... Anyway, you can make safespots without bookmarks, just waste half your cap with a MWD then warp somewhere, you wouldn't need to worry about people finding your safe and waiting there until you go there again, chances are you wouldn't land in the same place (unless your lucky/unlucky, depending on the situation) Plus they aren't going to get rid of probes, so if you had a safespot with cans there you can just probe them. I do still think CCP should get rid of BMs end full stop, and make a warp to 0km option thingy. (that actually works) Meh Edit: spelling You can't use probes to scan for cans so that answer doesn't work Not everyone fits MWD, Think your ideas through before presenting them, BMs have to stay. How they are used/copied/stored has to change. Well that could be another idea for CCP to work on after they have sorted all the other issues out, scan probes that scan for certain cans or add the feature to the scan probes that already exist. and as for thinking my ideas through before presenting them, i stated in another post that i was rambling because i couldn't do much else atm. So up your butt with a coconut ... Come on guys lighten up a little, i'm sure CCP are trying to sort it out along with tonnes of other sheite geez give them a break. hides in the corner ------- We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES. New content that does not work is WORTHLESS.
Eleis Machuron	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:24:00 - [148] Edited by: Eleis Machuron on 03/09/2006 23:24:16 Once again, Eve proves itself as the most realistic economic simulator in MMOdom: Tragedy of the Commons
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:32:00 - [149] Originally by: Eleis Machuron Edited by: Eleis Machuron on 03/09/2006 23:24:16 Once again, Eve proves itself as the most realistic economic simulator in MMOdom: Tragedy of the Commons [cyan] all these losses are in fact boosting sales volumes for ships etc so good for industrialists [/cyan]
Tas Devil JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.09.03 23:33:00 - [150] Edited by: Tas Devil on 03/09/2006 23:34:21 Seems BIG brother didn't like my post ... moderators I'd mail you to ask why?, at the mail you so kindly suggest I write to, everytime you moderate one of my posts...but we all know you never bother to respond... Clearly you have no sense of humour what so ever ... so I'll just mail it to Oveur directly... if anything he has prooven many times that he has a sense of humour... unlike others... The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to Killer8 for this ! Oh and apparently the mods tell me there is ba

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