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DirtyHarry
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:42:00 -
[61]
Time to act CCP, at least give a temp fix to BMs like the warp to 0 suggested and delete all bms within 150km of a gate...
Havocide - DirtyHarry
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Herculite
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:42:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: Hakera
been said a million times, delete any bm within 150k of a gate, add a warp to 0 option that cant be defaulted to so no one can ap without risk.
While I like the idea of BM's on paper, information is power and players who take the time to make or gather them deserve it, but since they can't seem to make simple XYZ coordinates not choke the system I have to agree with Hakera.
The solution given in the upcomming patch shows a lack of foresight on the part of the devs.
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Gretchen Dawntreader
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:42:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Gretchen Dawntreader on 03/09/2006 21:44:30
I can't for the *life* of me figure out *why* people would be copying lots of bookmarks. Gosh, it *couldn't possibly* have to do with an announced nerf scheduled for *tuesday?*
</sarcasm>
Yeah and as for all the problems caused to the servers....wasn't there a lot of hooplah and marching bands around the upgrades to the cluster and how it was now a super-server capable of handling everything even twice as many players could throw at it? How come it's hobbling around like an amputee all of a sudden....
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Darpz
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:43:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Siege
Warp to 0 is just a step or two from making all PvP consensual, and renaming the game 'Veldspar Tycoon'.
No thanks.
how so? you got dictor bubbles, you got sensor booster to lock ships faster on the warp out. its the same as it would be now you just wouldn't be able to gank the nubs that don't have BMs.
Hell make warping a trainable skill. introduce a 10km warp distance. that then is decreasedby a rank 2-4 skill so lvl 1 it would be 8 lvl 2 6 lvl 3 4 lvl 4 2 (basically an insta but not perfect due to the varience built into the game I imagin with is what most people would stick with) lvl 5 0 and would be a perfect insta everytime but at the expensce of a couple weeks of training
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Eevul Bunneh
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:44:00 -
[65]
A bit ridiculous to ask 'your valued players' to stop doing what you made them do...
just feed the hamsters imo.
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Slaaght Bana
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:44:00 -
[66]
I've had a thought.
Keep BMs in game as they are. Sort of.
Allow BMs to be USED in the Eve client, but DO NOT allow them to be COPIED in the client.
Have a seperate mini client that just exists for bookmark filing and modification.
Here's the important bit ... make that client just interact with a SQL server that is not linked to Tranquility, call it Server X.
Then roll the incremental changes of Server X's BM tables into Tranquility during downtime each day.
That totally removes all BM copying transactions from the Tranquility cluster.
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Pestillence
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:47:00 -
[67]
Originally by: SyIpha
For God's sake..put in an easy fix..it's not hard! Put in a skill book to train to learn to warp closer to an object..such as gates, stations. I promise you if ppl had that option, bookmarks would not be used as instas. It is an easy fix...and would release up 100's of thousands of bookmarks! 1 + 1 Does equal 2!
Skill is stupid. It's a must train for new players and so penalises them since they cant train other skills.
I agree CCP brought this on themselves tho.
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:47:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Siege
Warp to 0 is just a step or two from making all PvP consensual, and renaming the game 'Veldspar Tycoon'.
No thanks.
Making lousy pirates that call themselves pvpers (gatecampers) actually do proper pvp is a good thing, its your tactics that suck as well as your skills.
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Gretchen Dawntreader
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:48:00 -
[69]
this is very similar to SWG putting in a macro language then spending 2 years trying to figure out new methods to defeat all the ways player used macros.
SELF CAUSED PROBLEM.
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:49:00 -
[70]
Dear CCP:
1. Give us all warp to 0km.
2. No special skills, even noobs have it.
3. Make it work on autopilot.
4. Delete all current bookmarks. Do not allow new bookmarks within 1,000,000,000km of gate or station.
5. STOP ADDING NEW STUFF UNTIL YOU CAN MAKE THE OLD STUFF WORK!
We need a YEAR without ANY 'new content'. Nothing but BUG FIXES.
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Sean Dillon
Caldari
Shadows of the Dead
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:49:00 -
[71]
U knew this would happen, enjoy your own lagg creation and many upset users.
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Nadija
Wolfenrecon
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:50:00 -
[72]
I dunno if theres an offical post about bms & suggestion how to fix how much lag they cause... but how about banning Bookmarks from escrow... just like u can't put cargo containers & contraband on escrow... Also how about giving character's places folder a limit of how many boolmarks they can hold... like maybe 1000-2000... cuz mopst ppl have 10000+ & if they still have too many after the rule comes into effect... then a random amout will get wipped....
MY SIG BANNER GALLERY |
Treelox
Amarr
Storm Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:50:00 -
[73]
lol that gm msg, asking us to stop coping bm's please. Has to be the funniest thing I have ever read from a GM in 20yrs of on-line gaming.
Seriously WTF did they think would happen this weekend. Hell Id be coping too, if I had a kador set from a reliable source.
WTB Kador Region gate to gate BM set
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Blind Man
Caldari
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:51:00 -
[74]
GEE GUYS, maybe bookmarks ARE a problem?
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Anomaly21
Caldari
Beasts of Burden
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:53:00 -
[75]
Ok AFAIK the reason the BM limitation is being put into place is people exploiting game mechanics and copying BM's into shuttles and leaving them in POS's to lag out attackers and such. It has nothing to do with instas.
So to fix this and not having to deal with the big problem of finding a decent replacement why can't you just make it so that BMs can only be copied while docked in stations into the items window and cannot be placed into any ships hangar or containers or anything of the like?
This would fix the problem of people using BMs to exploit game mechanics and it wouldn't cause an extreme uproar from the majority of the game community not having instas or being able to copy them.
The current idea to fix the situation is just going to cause an uproar with the majority of the community and isn't going to stop the minority that is causing the problem. Even though you'll only be able to copy 5 at a time people will still sit there and copy exploiting away. All that means is they have to make more clicks now.
This is not my idea. I saw it posted and no one responded to it. So I am reposting this and will hopefuly get a response to why this can't be done .. and please correct me if I'm wrong.
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zykerx
Pegasus Mining and Securities
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:53:00 -
[76]
i bought 15 sets of bm's and loaded them on a alt, so i could start copying them to my other alts ( 4 accounts ) and a set towards corp
but when i had them finally loaded on my alt ccp came with there ooh yeah were gooing to nerf bm copying even more.
wel im copying bm until patch to safe some of my investment i made (costed alot)
bm are a must at 0.0
ccp should have come with other solution and telling everyone ya gona nerf something important as this was not rly a smart thingh todo, persionally happy with that as otherwise a useless alt would have al my bought sets and not my mains
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Darpz
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:53:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Nadija
I dunno if theres an offical post about bms & suggestion how to fix how much lag they cause... but how about banning Bookmarks from escrow... just like u can't put cargo containers & contraband on escrow... Also how about giving character's places folder a limit of how many boolmarks they can hold... like maybe 1000-2000... cuz mopst ppl have 10000+ & if they still have too many after the rule comes into effect... then a random amout will get wipped....
that would be worse, since people would keep extra region bms in shuttles and would need to spend time swapping out bms when they are operating in different areas
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ForceAttuned Krogoth
InterGalactic Corp.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:53:00 -
[78]
Please stop coppying BMs, like everyone on the server is doing it for the patch tuesday, and its killing my fleet ops.
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Shiraz Merlot
Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:54:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Valar
We have lost 4 nodes tonight. It seems that extreme bookmark copying is causing nodes to time out and the cluster thus consitering them dead. Over 900.000 bookmarks have been copied since downtime.
I predicted this to corp + friends the day you announced the copy nerf.
Hopefully this will remind you why you don't pre-announce nerfings!
/sm
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Lori Carlyle
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:55:00 -
[80]
I can't stop laughing.
I hope you saved some of that $$$ i have a feeling your going to need it soon.
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Dorah Hawkwing
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:56:00 -
[81]
Well... last week, it was deicde to move to a new region, and to aquire acess region BM's and the unsec area BM's and distribute them in corp, for moving.
Then the nerf was anounced. Now.. we can either hope for a warp to 0 km option, or try and make sure everyone affected has a copy of BM's before copying BM's becomes neigh impossible without chaining someone to the screen.
Guess what happens (and no, I'm not a fan of having to copy BM's. But without BM's, lowsec and unsec life becomes so much more dangerous and prone to ship loss, that going without them is simply suicidically stupid.).
So, My guess is the message was caused not by BM's copied for profit, but by everyone and their dog trying to get their BM copying done befoe the patch makes it a really incredible boring and labour intense travail.
A BM fix is not making them incredible work intensive to copy, but making them unecessary by providing their funktion by a less database intesive replacement:
The warp to 0 km option.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:56:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Siege
Warp to 0 is just a step or two from making all PvP consensual, and renaming the game 'Veldspar Tycoon'.
No thanks.
wow, geee, so saying what is happening is somehow a GM blowing their top, and insulting us???
geeez, the message says what is happening and ask nicely fro us to STOP so others can play that are not camping and copying...is that so hard for YOU to understand???
I took it as an FYI, but I guess SOME people have really thin skin and narrow minds.
FRODO HAS FAILED;
BUSH HAS THE RING!!!
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Wat0721
GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:56:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Siege
Warp to 0 is just a step or two from making all PvP consensual, and renaming the game 'Veldspar Tycoon'.
No thanks.
Wow, you totally missed the point.
Warp to 0 just means that all of the gate-catching moves to the other side of the gate -- where it already is anyway.
Want to catch someone going into a system? Use a bubble. Want to catch someone going to the next gate? Get an inty. Or a bubble.
But there's no reason to not warp to the gates within/near jump range as-is -- CCP put in the 15km warp as a means of slowing down travel and allowing PvP on the inside of gates. People made hundreds of thousands of instas to allow travel ("warp to 0km."), and insta-travel has become the norm.
Now the DB is bogged down. So...why not just give up the "warp to 15km" option period, give it to everyone, and let combat take place on the other side of the gate anyway?
Only problem? It's a nerf to BSes sniping noobs in shuttles from outside of sentry range in low-sec.
Darn. 
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:58:00 -
[84]
immedate downtime and a immediate ban on bookmark copying is needed CCP - dont allow em to rush it before the patch.
This should have been done anyway
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:58:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Price Watcher
3. Make it work on autopilot.
What in blazes for? Autopilot should remain as it is. Warp to 0 replaces the instas that everyone already has so it doesn't make any practical difference.
But warp to 0 for autopilot? That's stupid. If you fly afk you should be vulnerable. If you put the effort in and stay at your keyboard you benefit from reduced risk travel.
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(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Nadija
Wolfenrecon
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:59:00 -
[86]
U zykerx are 1 of the reasons y nodes keep crashing!! why the hell do u need 15 sets of bms for anyways?? didn't u see that CCP asked u to stop copying atm... cuz otherwise if people carry on the game will prolly crash
MY SIG BANNER GALLERY |
DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:59:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Anomaly21
Ok AFAIK the reason the BM limitation is being put into place is people exploiting game mechanics and copying BM's into shuttles and leaving them in POS's to lag out attackers and such. It has nothing to do with instas.
So to fix this and not having to deal with the big problem of finding a decent replacement why can't you just make it so that BMs can only be copied while docked in stations into the items window and cannot be placed into any ships hangar or containers or anything of the like?
This would fix the problem of people using BMs to exploit game mechanics and it wouldn't cause an extreme uproar from the majority of the game community not having instas or being able to copy them.
The current idea to fix the situation is just going to cause an uproar with the majority of the community and isn't going to stop the minority that is causing the problem. Even though you'll only be able to copy 5 at a time people will still sit there and copy exploiting away. All that means is they have to make more clicks now.
This is not my idea. I saw it posted and no one responded to it. So I am reposting this and will hopefuly get a response to why this can't be done .. and please correct me if I'm wrong.
WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING AT US ALL!!!
dont bold everything you say...it is rude
FRODO HAS FAILED;
BUSH HAS THE RING!!!
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SonShadowCat
PINK TACO TORPERS
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:00:00 -
[88]
It's nice to see people continue to copy BM even though they know they're destroying the server and gameplay for everyone else.
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SyIpha
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:00:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Tradingjoe
Originally by: Jongo Fett
why not prevent Bm's from been traded or put on escrow? this would probilly reduce the amount of people who will copy them
Oh thats good, why not take something vital and limit it only to old players who already copied them.
Thats brilliant! I think you are ready for the dev team there.
QFT! lol
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2006.09.03 22:02:00 -
[90]
CCP shut the server down and ban ALL ISNTA COPYING UNTIL TOMORROWS PATCH
Its the only solution as players arent going to stop copying instas even on youre asking - so shut that system down if u dont want continue server crashes until tomorrow.
To all u fools just keep going force CCP to act its the only way (reverse pscyhology)
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