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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:46:05 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Querns wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:Judging from some of the posts by players in this thread, I believe there are many other games which would be better suited to themselves other than eve.
What I am basically reading is people basically want to remove all consequences from the game.
Leave eve as one of the few niche game where consequences matter, there are plenty of other games for people who don't like consequences. You are overreacting. Death still has plenty of consequence. In fact, it retains ALL the consequence it used to have GÇö-áthe current system doesn't actually introduce any consequence. The current system just means you have to remember to do a little bit of busywork every time you die. There's not a meaningful choice or any sort of skill involved in remembering to update your clone. Removing the mechanic is unabashedly positive. Quintessen wrote:Good change overall. Now I'd like to see other penalties removed that prevent people from playing the game itself. I'm thinking standings penalties for missions for factions you care about. I'm thinking about standings loss from faction warfare. So Querns, you agree with stuff like this? I'm not talking about the removal of clones, but some of the other suggestions which players are coming up with in this thread. that thing is a good change yes, there are numerous idiots who equate "random vicious penalties" with "consequences" and who don't really get that random vicious penalties are not a great way to implement consequences in a game |
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CCP Terminus
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:47:03 -
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In regards to the comments on making clones player created, and looking at how attributes and implants work. We are definitely looking at those kinds of things and we'll see where they go. We will be looking at removing unnecessary complexity, while keeping or adding to the depth of the mechanics. |
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Medalyn Isis
Aliastra Gallente Federation
451
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:49:30 -
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Quintessen wrote:Good change overall. Now I'd like to see other penalties removed that prevent people from playing the game itself. I'm thinking standings penalties for missions for factions you care about. I'm thinking about standings loss from faction warfare.
EvilweaselFinance wrote:that thing is a good change yes, there are numerous idiots who equate "random vicious penalties" with "consequences" and who don't really get that random vicious penalties are not a great way to implement consequences in a game Interesting, so you think standing penalties should also be removed. Sorry but I disagree with you here, removing medical clones has some merit if it can be replaced with an alternative, but removing standing penalties is a step too far. |
Alexis Nightwish
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:50:09 -
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This change is better than the previous system, but I still think that simply sending a pilot a medical bill when podded (with a modal, unavoidable pop-up window upon respawn) based on the applicable SP of the ships he/she flew from the last time he/she was in a station with medical facilities would have been a better choice. You were in a supercap and then got podded? Expensive. You were in a T1 frig and then got podded? Cheap!
Power Projection: A Brighter Future
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:52:06 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Interesting, so you think standing penalties should also be removed. Sorry but I disagree with you here, removing medical clones has some merit if it can be replaced with an alternative, but removing standing penalties is a step too far. standings penalties, as implemented, are generally implemented poorly and should be looked at because it is an obtuse stupid mechanism where it's easy to screw yourself over long-term
that's not to say standings penalties are a bad thing generally speaking - they could be implemented well - but the idiotic notion that "it is a consequence therefore it should stay" is dumb
Alexis Nightwish wrote:This change is better than the previous system, but I still think that simply sending a pilot a medical bill when podded (with a modal, unavoidable pop-up window upon respawn) based on the applicable SP of the ships he/she flew from the last time he/she was in a station with medical facilities would have been a better choice. You were in a supercap and then got podded? Expensive. You were in a T1 frig and then got podded? Cheap! this exists, its called implants |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:52:18 -
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Barrett Fruitcake wrote:Vol Arm'OOO wrote:CCP Terminus wrote:Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:Will you refund the isk for the clones we are sitting in now? There will be no refunds relating to the removal of the upgrade mechanic. It is both impractical (determining when a person last bought their clone and for what price seeing as factional warfare and previous balancing has changed prices) and undesirable from our view to do so. Isnt the current system an isk sink? What are you going to do to replace it and prevent isk inflation? More pvp
Doesnt remove isk from the game - rather pvp just shuffles it around.
By allowing more isk to remain in the game there should be further isk inflation making everything more expensive.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:54:59 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote: Doesnt remove isk from the game - rather pvp just shuffles it around.
By allowing more isk to remain in the game there should be further isk inflation making everything more expensive.
this is simplistic and not correct in the way you think it is
part of the cost of items in this game is isk - your ship cost isk to make in fees, your faction modules cost isk to buy (in addition to LP) from the LP store, your implants also cost isk and each of those was an isk sink
as they blow up they are replaced and isk goes into those sinks again
i don't believe you considered any of these
what makes this complex and not just you being wrong is the minor matter of default insurance and if that generally makes pvp a net isk faucet or a net isk sink |
Medalyn Isis
Aliastra Gallente Federation
451
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:58:07 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:Interesting, so you think standing penalties should also be removed. Sorry but I disagree with you here, removing medical clones has some merit if it can be replaced with an alternative, but removing standing penalties is a step too far. standings penalties, as implemented, are generally implemented poorly and should be looked at because it is an obtuse stupid mechanism where it's easy to screw yourself over long-term that's not to say standings penalties are a bad thing generally speaking - they could be implemented well - but the idiotic notion that "it is a consequence therefore it should stay" is dumb Alexis Nightwish wrote:This change is better than the previous system, but I still think that simply sending a pilot a medical bill when podded (with a modal, unavoidable pop-up window upon respawn) based on the applicable SP of the ships he/she flew from the last time he/she was in a station with medical facilities would have been a better choice. You were in a supercap and then got podded? Expensive. You were in a T1 frig and then got podded? Cheap! this exists, its called implants Well before throwing out supposedly "dumb" mechanics which have been a pillar of eve for over ten years, perhaps an alternative should be implemented instead of this knee jerk and equally idiotic stance of lets just throw everything out that makes eve harsh.
What you consider random and vicious, is actually quite easy to avoid, it is only random if you don't know what you are doing as in the case of newbies who soon learn.
As for standing they have already implemented a safety net so you can grind your standing back up from below -2, and if you have completely wrecked them and then want to work with an opposing faction, well tough luck, either grind them back up from level 1 agents or HTFU and stick with your current factions that you have good standings with.
There is nothing random about any of the penalties you mentioned, and all can be easily avoided. |
Draahk Chimera
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
42
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:58:13 -
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Well since the Devs commenting in this thread is only qouting and answering the positive feedback it is quite clear it is one of those things they will put in regardless of player input. I will not threaten to quit as I find it a childish reaction but I will definitivly have a sour taste in my mouth while patching Rhea come dec. 9.
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Ryek Darkener
Bluestar Enterprises The Craftsmen
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:59:50 -
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... The Current Medical Clone System - I recognized it after I lost 2 Clones, so I wasted some skillpoints ... ... New players can be badly surprised by this system since they have so many other important things to learn. ...
... and I want to say the following: This is the reason because I love the game. As it (not so much as years before) still punishes ignorance.
If I lose a 150 Mill. Skillpoint Clone, that is MY problem. If I can't afford an adequate clone, it is, already, MY problem. Because this is the reason I'm here. I find that the current clone system is in between pampered pet and die hard. If there is a good reason to improve the clone system, go ahead. But you should take into consideration that nearly anybody who survived the first year and is still playing EVE Online has the resources to buy a new skillclone or to upgrade the old one. I'm in doubt that this improvement will motivate veterans to become podded in cheap ships more often.
Just my 5 ISK. |
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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:02:29 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote: Well before throwing out supposedly "dumb" mechanics which have been a pillar of eve for over ten years, perhaps an alternative should be implemented instead of this knee jerk and equally idiotic stance of lets just throw everything out that makes eve harsh.
What you consider random and vicious, is actually quite easy to avoid, it is only random if you don't know what you are doing as in the case of newbies who soon learn.
this is the sort of stupid eve design heresy that should be called out and hits nearly every aspect
1) because a thing is a certain way it should remain that way 2) using "harsh" or "sandbox" in a talismanic way without actually understanding what it means and how it interacts with design 3) using "well you can learn the stupid unfun obtruse mechanism that makes it tolerable" |
Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
375
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:04:21 -
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Vartan Sarkisian wrote:CCP Terminus wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:You know what's funny? I've made this exact same argument to Greyscale et al about skillpoints: Quote:Skill point acquisition is very much tied to your subscription and the real money you spent on the game, so taking some of their skill points away can feel like wasted money to the player. You know whats worse? When that logical argument is ignored by the devs every time they change a skill. One of the biggest changes I can remember is the change to the ME % in industry recently. Players complained and complained about losing something valuable and replacing it with something worthless. And you know what? You guys didn't have a single GOOD argument for why you shouldn't have refunded everyone's SP. In my opinion every time a skill is changed regardless of how trivial or major, you should refund the SP of that skill. Period. No questions asked. SP is simply too intertwined with the subscription costs to treat changes to them so nonchalantly. Your point did not go undebated in the office. Debated and yet ultimately ignored it would seem.
If it was debated then, by definition, it was not ignored.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:05:01 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote: Well before throwing out supposedly "dumb" mechanics which have been a pillar of eve for over ten years, perhaps an alternative should be implemented instead of this knee jerk and equally idiotic stance of lets just throw everything out that makes eve harsh.
What you consider random and vicious, is actually quite easy to avoid, it is only random if you don't know what you are doing as in the case of newbies who soon learn.
As for standing they have already implemented a safety net so you can grind your standing back up from below -2, and if you have completely wrecked them and then want to work with an opposing faction, well tough luck, either grind them back up from level 1 agents or HTFU and stick with your current factions that you have good standings with.
There is nothing random about any of the penalties you mentioned, and all can be easily avoided.
The fact that it is easy to avoid is precisely why it is being removed GÇö-áthere is no nuance to clone grades, and the penalty is so severe that there is no choice to comply. It adds no nuance and requires no skill to mitigate, nor any sort of long term planning GÇö it's just this constant burden that you can never forget about, ever.
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Medalyn Isis
Aliastra Gallente Federation
451
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:09:29 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote: Well before throwing out supposedly "dumb" mechanics which have been a pillar of eve for over ten years, perhaps an alternative should be implemented instead of this knee jerk and equally idiotic stance of lets just throw everything out that makes eve harsh.
What you consider random and vicious, is actually quite easy to avoid, it is only random if you don't know what you are doing as in the case of newbies who soon learn.
this is the sort of stupid eve design heresy that should be called out and hits nearly every aspect 1) because a thing is a certain way it should remain that way 2) using "harsh" or "sandbox" in a talismanic way without actually understanding what it means and how it interacts with design 3) using "well you can learn the stupid unfun obtruse mechanism that makes it tolerable" What you miss, is I didn't say the mechanics cannot be improved upon. I'm in favour of replacing the medical clone mechanic with something better as at the moment it is pretty terrible. Improving mechanics does not mean you need to completely throw them out though as the posters had been suggesting in the quotes I linked.
So standing penalites are harsh, answer = lets scrap standings. Medical clone mechanic doesn't offer interesting choices = lets scrap medical clones. I don't like losing implants when podded = lets remove attributes so everyone is on a level playing field.
That mentality is completely wrong for the game which is what I stated, and there are already plenty of other games for players who think like this. |
Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
375
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:11:02 -
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Querns wrote: The fact that it is easy to avoid is precisely why it is being removed GÇö-áthere is no nuance to clone grades, and the penalty is so severe that there is no choice to comply. It adds no nuance and requires no skill to mitigate, nor any sort of long term planning GÇö it's just this constant burden that you can never forget about, ever.
This.
There was absolutely no net benefit for upgrading your clone. You did so to avoid a net penalty, and there was no choice or decision making involved. You either paid the fee and kept your skill points, or you didn't, and you suffered.
In that way, it was kind of like an old school protection racket. Pay up, or lose them.
"Nice skill points. Be a shame if something bad happened to them."
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:11:52 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote: Well before throwing out supposedly "dumb" mechanics which have been a pillar of eve for over ten years, perhaps an alternative should be implemented instead of this knee jerk and equally idiotic stance of lets just throw everything out that makes eve harsh.
What you consider random and vicious, is actually quite easy to avoid, it is only random if you don't know what you are doing as in the case of newbies who soon learn.
this is the sort of stupid eve design heresy that should be called out and hits nearly every aspect 1) because a thing is a certain way it should remain that way 2) using "harsh" or "sandbox" in a talismanic way without actually understanding what it means and how it interacts with design 3) using "well you can learn the stupid unfun obtruse mechanism that makes it tolerable" What you miss, is I didn't say the mechanics cannot be improved upon. I'm in favour of replacing the medical clone mechanic with something better as at the moment it is pretty terrible. Improving mechanics does not mean you need to completely throw them out though as the posters had been suggesting in the quotes I linked. So standing penalites are harsh, answer = lets scrap standings. Medical clone mechanic doesn't offer interesting choices = lets scrap medical clones. I don't like losing implants when podded = lets remove attributes so everyone is on a level playing field. That mentality is completely wrong for the game which is what I stated, and there are already plenty of other games for players who think like this. The problem with this is that you're conflating completely unrelated things. You're imagining a slippery slope that simply does not exist.
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
293
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:16:40 -
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Querns wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote: Well before throwing out supposedly "dumb" mechanics which have been a pillar of eve for over ten years, perhaps an alternative should be implemented instead of this knee jerk and equally idiotic stance of lets just throw everything out that makes eve harsh.
What you consider random and vicious, is actually quite easy to avoid, it is only random if you don't know what you are doing as in the case of newbies who soon learn.
As for standing they have already implemented a safety net so you can grind your standing back up from below -2, and if you have completely wrecked them and then want to work with an opposing faction, well tough luck, either grind them back up from level 1 agents or HTFU and stick with your current factions that you have good standings with.
There is nothing random about any of the penalties you mentioned, and all can be easily avoided.
The fact that it is easy to avoid is precisely why it is being removed GÇö-áthere is no nuance to clone grades, and the penalty is so severe that there is no choice to comply. It adds no nuance and requires no skill to mitigate, nor any sort of long term planning GÇö it's just this constant burden that you can never forget about, ever.
No, you are not making a case for removing it, only listing reasons why it could be improved.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
375
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:16:45 -
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Querns wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:
So standing penalites are harsh, answer = lets scrap standings. Medical clone mechanic doesn't offer interesting choices = lets scrap medical clones. I don't like losing implants when podded = lets remove attributes so everyone is on a level playing field.
The problem with this is that you're conflating completely unrelated things. You're imagining a slippery slope that simply does not exist.
To expand on what Querms is saying:
Unlike medical clone purchases, there are meaningful choices to be made with both standings and implants. In the one case, you can make large areas of the map unaccessible, or get worse market rates on buy and sell orders. In the second case, the correct implants can make a massive difference in your performance in the game, and so choosing the correct ones (since some are conflicting choices in a single clone) becomes a decision making process with meaningful tradeoffs (do I get more direct DPS, or a higher rate of fire. If I get the higher rate of fire, do I need more capacitor to compensate...).
Upgrading your medical clone had none of these. There was no decision - you simply did it because the alternative was too unpalatable to accept.
King Fu Hostile wrote:
No, you are not making a case for removing it, only listing reasons why it could be improved.
The point being that, in this case, there is no reason to wait for the new mechanic before removing the old one becuse the old one has no net benefit to anyone.
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Medalyn Isis
Aliastra Gallente Federation
451
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:17:00 -
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Querns wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote: Well before throwing out supposedly "dumb" mechanics which have been a pillar of eve for over ten years, perhaps an alternative should be implemented instead of this knee jerk and equally idiotic stance of lets just throw everything out that makes eve harsh.
What you consider random and vicious, is actually quite easy to avoid, it is only random if you don't know what you are doing as in the case of newbies who soon learn.
this is the sort of stupid eve design heresy that should be called out and hits nearly every aspect 1) because a thing is a certain way it should remain that way 2) using "harsh" or "sandbox" in a talismanic way without actually understanding what it means and how it interacts with design 3) using "well you can learn the stupid unfun obtruse mechanism that makes it tolerable" What you miss, is I didn't say the mechanics cannot be improved upon. I'm in favour of replacing the medical clone mechanic with something better as at the moment it is pretty terrible. Improving mechanics does not mean you need to completely throw them out though as the posters had been suggesting in the quotes I linked. So standing penalites are harsh, answer = lets scrap standings. Medical clone mechanic doesn't offer interesting choices = lets scrap medical clones. I don't like losing implants when podded = lets remove attributes so everyone is on a level playing field. That mentality is completely wrong for the game which is what I stated, and there are already plenty of other games for players who think like this. The problem with this is that you're conflating completely unrelated things. You're imagining a slippery slope that simply does not exist. Lol, well I linked the posts which were calling for these things to be scrapped in the thread earlier, so not sure how much more factual you want. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1188
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:18:06 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Lol, well I linked the posts which were calling for these things to be scrapped in the thread earlier, so not sure how much more factual you want. You're not the only one making this mistake, is what I am saying.
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Pic'n dor
Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda
40
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:18:30 -
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Do you plan to add a medical bay to every NPC stations since upgrading a clone is no more an issue after podkill ?
This will make again non medical NPC station a valuable home system for players.
As you removed remote home system setup, you can no longer setup you home station in a non medical npc station unless once a year if your corp has an office. If you deploy somewhere else within a year you can't change your home... so bad..
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:19:00 -
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King Fu Hostile wrote: No, you are not making a case for removing it, only listing reasons why it could be improved.
Agreed GÇö-áand removing it completely, in this instance, is the best improvement that can be made.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:20:17 -
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Pic'n dor wrote:Do you plan to add a medical bay to every NPC stations since upgrading a clone is no more an issue after podkill ?
This will make again non medical NPC station a valuable home system for players.
As you removed remote home system setup, you can no longer setup you home station in a non medical npc station unless once a year if your corp has an office. If you deploy somewhere else within a year you can't change your home... so bad..
It seems you have stumbled upon one of the intended consequences of the power projection damping changes made in Phoebe.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1427
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:21:41 -
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I lost 13 pods so far (killed 910 give or take). I hardly get out of my slave set (Santo trafficante can tell) so clone costs are not the issue rather than implant costs. Make corpses a ressource (salvageable) that can be salvaged that would spark a whole new profession. What more motivation for a empire carebear than salvaging some pirats corpse is there to finally dare to go to low sec? Head hunter actually would mean something. This could also work in pve. Place some frozen corpses in exploration sites or wormhole sites (Jove went into cryo-sleep...would fit into lore to stage some "malfunctions".
I guess you thought that through so I expect some mitigation that makes death still mean something.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:31:01 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:I lost 13 pods so far (killed 910 give or take). I hardly get out of my slave set (Santo trafficante can tell) so clone costs are not the issue rather than implant costs. Make corpses a ressource (salvageable) that can be salvaged that would spark a whole new profession. What more motivation for a empire carebear than salvaging some pirats corpse is there to finally dare to go to low sec? Head hunter actually would mean something. This could also work in pve. Place some frozen corpses in exploration sites or wormhole sites (Jove went into cryo-sleep...would fit into lore to stage some "malfunctions".
I guess you thought that through so I expect some mitigation that makes death still mean something.
I've always thought this was a good idea GÇö-áthe idea of folks scrambling to loot and/or salvage corpses during gatecamps always felt like a fun, if ghoulish, thing that could be added. Doing it this way means that the spoils almost always go to the aggressors rather than the person who lost the stuff, which is an added bonus in my book.
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Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
172
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:32:09 -
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Quoting UFS Fenix
"This change and the changes to awoxing really make me want to re-consider eve."
Bye :)
"Us hardcore pilots grinded missions so we could put poses in High sec, you guys changed this. Us veterans made extra isk and for over 7 years kept our clones up to date, you changed that."
And during those times you reaped the benefits of that strategy.
"Why don't you remove all standings for factions so we can run lvl 4s from day one and get good refining from day one."
Apparently being upset makes you post irrationally.
"Why do we have pods with the current changes? Just remove the pods and make us normal eve pilots... while your at it , get rid of everything else that adds risk to the game."
*You're
"We can just make the ships respawn with fittings in our hangers after we get blown up.
Change the name from eve-online to wow-online because that's where things are headed."
Please see response #3
"What ever happened to the other changes you promised years ago? Walking in stations never went anywhere, I cant manipulate anything in my captains quarters, doors don't close, cant enter main part of station, beds are useless..."
Plans changed. This is common. The entire world is familiar with this happening.
"Eve is about the risk/vs Reward. Removing risk, removes the fun. The cap changes last month I thought were great, things like this clone change make eve less risky and therefore less fun."
You're looking at the first stage in an obstacle course and judging the entire thing based of your flawed understanding of the first part. This is just the beginning. In case you simply struggle with reading comprehension, this was made VERY clear in the blog.
"Yes you can have my stuff."
Thanks :)
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SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
237
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:37:55 -
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As much as I will like not having to worry about clone costs any more, CCP seems to have overlooked the strategic and tactical implications this change will have.
CCP has unwittingly undone a positive combat change implemented with Phoebe with this move. With Phoebe, because you can no longer remotely move your deathclone, it was possible to incap station medical services (made easier with Phoebe), which would prevent any smart player from undocking again if they had gotten killed and podded.
This is something that would be pretty useful given the hideous state of sov warfare, especially with several hundred combatants in the system, and now it will be gone. |
King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
293
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:40:46 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
The point being that, in this case, there is no reason to wait for the new mechanic before removing the old one becuse the old one has no net benefit to anyone.
That makes no sense, mechanics don't have to have net benefits to anyone. A game with nothing but beneficial mechanisms is not worth playing.
Net penalties are just as important.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1188
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:40:55 -
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SFM Hobb3s wrote:As much as I will like not having to worry about clone costs any more, CCP seems to have overlooked the strategic and tactical implications this change will have.
CCP has unwittingly undone a positive combat change implemented with Phoebe with this move. With Phoebe, because you can no longer remotely move your deathclone, it was possible to incap station medical services (made easier with Phoebe), which would prevent any smart player from undocking again if they had gotten killed and podded.
This is something that would be pretty useful given the hideous state of sov warfare, especially with several hundred combatants in the system, and now it will be gone. This would have meant more if it were possible to incap NPC 0.0 medical services.
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King Fu Hostile
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Querns wrote:King Fu Hostile wrote: No, you are not making a case for removing it, only listing reasons why it could be improved.
Agreed GÇö-áand removing it completely, in this instance, is the best improvement that can be made.
Unfortunately it doesn't actually improve anything. No new gameplay, choices or benefits are created with the removal.
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