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admiral root Red Galaxy 2078	Posted - 2015.01.01 16:20:17 - [61] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: But do you need a permit from whatever organisation to do what you want to do in game? The answer is no, you do not. The answer is: do they have the firepower to back up their demands? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Logan Revelore Symbiotic Systems 41	Posted - 2015.01.01 17:10:50 - [62] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Thats the thing. I understand ganking experienced players who know better and know alot about this game but im pretty new. I mean, ive had this account for a few years, but ive only ever played for like 3 months. After they killed my ship, I have nothing.... I have like an ibis 10 jumps away but thats it... I had a mackinaw.... What is it they say, don't fly want you can't afford to lose..
DaReaper Net 7 1636	Posted - 2015.01.01 17:56:20 - [63] - Quote No, you do not need to buy a permit. CODE. is a player group that uses an old tacktic to extort money. Pay them and you get 'protection' from the mod. Don't and you get ganked. Just move to a different system away form the hubs, there are tons, you just need to move. Then you don;t have to worry about code. Or fit so you cna tank them long enough to run. Or pay there extortion money. But thats doens;t meam you won;t get ganked (reminds me i should make an anti code group to gank the code paying miners.. hmm....) OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Talon SilverHawk Ronin Cartel Just The Tip.. 722	Posted - 2015.01.01 18:17:39 - [64] - Quote Code is a griefers alliance thinly disguised as role playing org, Ignore them, take precautions, don't pay them a cent, point and laugh when you see them. If you want a good chuckle check out their performance in last years alliance tournament, and the poor excuses the had for it : ) Tal
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 129	Posted - 2015.01.01 18:50:51 - [65] - Quote Talon SilverHawk wrote: Code is a griefers alliance thinly disguised as role playing org, Ignore them, take precautions, don't pay them a cent, point and laugh when you see them. If you want a good chuckle check out their performance in last years alliance tournament, and the poor excuses the had for it : ) Tal I disagree with your opinion that CODE. are a griefers alliance. IMHO They're a pirate/criminal group with aspects of roleplay; normally manifested in the form of tongue in cheek religious zealotry. They run a protection racket in which their modus operandi is to kill people who aren't paying attention and attempt to extort isk from them for a "permit"; something which is currently allowed and is within the rules established by CCP. Their AT performance is completely irrelevant in the context of the OP's original question. At the OP; no you don't need a permit to mine in highsec, what you do need to do is to take precautions against the likes of CODE. Set standings to them @ terrible using the personal standings mechanic, which will highlight them in a rather fetching shade of red on the overview and in local. Treat highsec as dangerous space, choose and fit your ships accordingly, Skiffs and Procurers excel at discouraging gankers for the sacrifice of a little yield. If you have to go afk dock up, watch local for people who have terrible standings (see above) or who have small skulls next to their names. Don't rant at them, or you'll end up being an object of ridicule in local, on the minerbumping blog and in their forums. CONCORD would like to remind you that the only thing under their protection is the doughnut shop found on level 2 of the food-mall in every station. NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5584	Posted - 2015.01.01 18:56:02 - [66] - Quote Foodpimp wrote: Code is basically the Brave Newbies of high sec. "Brave" in what? At shooting AFK (possibly clueless) miners? Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Quanah Comanche Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2015.01.01 19:18:39 - [67] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Foodpimp wrote: Code is basically the Brave Newbies of high sec. "Brave" at what? At shooting AFK (possibly clueless) miners? Really. There is no resemblance......most of CODE are newbs anyhow.
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 375	Posted - 2015.01.01 19:34:09 - [68] - Quote Mixu Paatelainen wrote: Hook, line and sinker. All of you. Except Sol. Woah, buddy, I ain't swallowed anything in this thread.
Zetaomega333 HIFI INDUSTRIAL The Kadeshi 94	Posted - 2015.01.01 19:35:51 - [69] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? CODE. is a high-sec ganking alliance. Anything CODE says is Role Play, and shouldn't be taken seriously. So the answer is very simple, and you can absolutely continue solo play. You are not 'fully safe' anywhere, but you can take precautions to ensure that such a thing won't happen so often (if at all). So, add the alliance "CODE." as a contact, and set them to -10.0. When they appear in Local, they'll have a red mark on their portrait, and you'll be able to see it, so you'll know what they're going to do. Dock up preemptively. But the biggest thing you can do is don't be fully AFK. Check your D-Scan every now and then, and browse Local when you feel like it for players with Negative Security Status (positive Security Status players can still gank you, but it's less likely. You always lose Security Status with Highsec ganks). Stay aligned (facing) [insert celestial object here] so you can warp out quickly when you see someone on grid. Getting a Procurer or a Skiff is also a good idea. Do you need a new Barge? It never has mattered what way you are facing as your time to warp is dependant on how long it takes you to get to warp speed and the direction your ship is facing has no impact on that. It will take the same amount of time if you are facing where you are warping or if you are facing the other way.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 347	Posted - 2015.01.01 20:27:14 - [70] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Am i really not safe mining anywhere? There is no real safety anywhere in EvE. If you undock, you can be shot at. Period. But do you need a permit from whatever organisation to do what you want to do in game? The answer is no, you do not. Of course you don't need to buy one - just like you don't need to fit tank or stay at your keyboard. But if you want to mine unmolested in New Order territory you better have one and follow the Code. Whether this safety is worth the paltry 10M ISK/year is up to you. However if you listen to some of the advice here and forgo the permit, please don't come the the forum next time you explode while mining and beg CCP to make highsec safer for you because you chose to mine without one. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.

Foodpimp xHELLonEARTHx Against ALL Authorities 187	Posted - 2015.01.01 20:37:31 - [71] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: ISD Ezwal wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Am i really not safe mining anywhere? There is no real safety anywhere in EvE. If you undock, you can be shot at. Period. But do you need a permit from whatever organisation to do what you want to do in game? The answer is no, you do not. Of course you don't need to buy one - just like you don't need to fit tank or stay at your keyboard. But if you want to mine unmolested in New Order territory you better have one and follow the Code. Whether this safety is worth the paltry 10M ISK/year is up to you. However if you listen to some of the advice here and forgo the permit, please don't come the the forum next time you explode while mining and beg CCP to make highsec safer for you because you chose to mine without one. heh...roleplayers...adorable...
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 53031	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:06:17 - [72] - Quote While it is a pleasant surprise to see GD being helpful and kind for once in this thread (must be the new year), I have no idea why everyone in here is treating the 3,5 years old OP like a clueless and adorable newbie. I mean, come on, even if he wasn't subscribed the entire time... I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Aleksi Bocharov 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:23:01 - [73] - Quote You don't need a permit to mine in HiSec, however, you need a permit to avoid getting ganked by CODE. CODE permits are legit and you will not be ganked so long as you are following the rules CODE sets forth. Anyone who disagrees with me, show me examples of CODE ganking people who have permits.
Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 540	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:50:39 - [74] - Quote .5 sec - Ignore it. It's like .4 sec. It pretends to be high Sec with all the limits of low sec and none of the benefits. .6 and .7 sec - Skiff or Proc. A Mackinaw can work in .7 sec but it's not needed. .8 sec Mackinaw .9 and 10 Retriever Hulk and Covetor are junk, they got no role bonus and high sec doesn't have large enough rocks to justify the high maintenance needed to keep the beams cycling. R.I.P. Vile Rat
Jur Tissant The TERRA Guardians of Serenity 368	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:56:32 - [75] - Quote Piracy is part of the game, but pirates want easy kills. This means they will frequent high population systems and ice belts. Find yourself a low-population system in 0.5 or 0.6 and they might never bother you. Alternatively you can fly a Procurer and/or tank your barge. But then you have to weigh the significant loss in yield vs. the money you'll save from being ganked. I strongly discourage flying a Hulk or Mackinaw in high-sec.
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 261	Posted - 2015.01.01 22:05:47 - [76] - Quote Foodpimp wrote: Code is basically the Brave Newbies of high sec. lol ... silliest comment of the year ( so far)
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 4493	Posted - 2015.01.01 22:11:23 - [77] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? Mining Safely
Ryuu Towryk Perkone Caldari State 37	Posted - 2015.01.01 22:46:14 - [78] - Quote Aleksi Bocharov wrote: You don't need a permit to mine in HiSec, however, you need a permit to avoid getting ganked by CODE. CODE permits are legit and you will not be ganked so long as you are following the rules CODE sets forth. Anyone who disagrees with me, show me examples of CODE ganking people who have permits. Lol. Code can take that permit a put it where the sun don't shine.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 172	Posted - 2015.01.01 23:54:45 - [79] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: While it is a pleasant surprise to see GD being helpful and kind for once in this thread (must be the new year), I have no idea why everyone in here is treating the 3,5 years old OP like a clueless and adorable newbie. I mean, come on, even if he wasn't subscribed the entire time... I, personally, could not care less who I think I am helping. For if someone asks for help, and just might actually need it, then he has it, and not just a whole forum screaming: BAIT! Words are little to no effort, and 50 million is nothing. It's still more enjoyable than reading all the drunk New Year's threads.
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 27481	Posted - 2015.01.01 23:55:25 - [80] - Quote Yes, I am the proud posessor of a CODE 12 month mining and hauling permit. I may not display it in my bio because that's for normal people to do, plus there's no room. But never the less, I do have one and you can learn more by reading last July's exciting entry in my wormhole diaries. /Shameless plug Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel The Endgame \| Wormhole Diaries

Alana Packham Wardec Solutions 6	Posted - 2015.01.02 00:00:55 - [81] - Quote CODE are a joke, gang up with a few other local miners, fly a skiff, and start charging THEM for entering a system and they will wet themselves and cry to their mommies all night. CCP sells cheap multiple accounts, they want them. Every Multi-Accounter has weaknesses, look for them before crying 'It's not fair'.
Bianca Silver New Order Logistics CODE. 1268	Posted - 2015.01.02 00:03:01 - [82] - Quote Alana Packham wrote: CODE are a joke, gang up with a few other local miners, fly a skiff, and start charging THEM for entering a system and they will wet themselves and cry to their mommies all night. I don't even know who my mother is. Why do people always generalize? Mizhir > "The forums are the EVE endgame after all." Minerbumping.com
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 262	Posted - 2015.01.02 00:07:20 - [83] - Quote Bianca Silver wrote: Alana Packham wrote: CODE are a joke, gang up with a few other local miners, fly a skiff, and start charging THEM for entering a system and they will wet themselves and cry to their mommies all night. I don't even know who my mother is. Why do people always generalize? Those carebears never realize how badly they are hurting people with these posts, do they?
Vapor Ventrillian The Scope Gallente Federation 117	Posted - 2015.01.02 00:22:44 - [84] - Quote I believe it is entirely fair to ask for a permit...to gank Mind=Blown The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
Aleksi Bocharov 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2015.01.02 02:47:17 - [85] - Quote Alana Packham wrote: CODE are a joke, gang up with a few other local miners, fly a skiff, and start charging THEM for entering a system and they will wet themselves and cry to their mommies all night. Actually, if it were me I would just ship into an SFI and do some old school bumping. Oh the rage is glorious when their Skiff goes flying 30km with each gentle nudge.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 175	Posted - 2015.01.02 02:49:55 - [86] - Quote Aleksi Bocharov wrote: Alana Packham wrote: CODE are a joke, gang up with a few other local miners, fly a skiff, and start charging THEM for entering a system and they will wet themselves and cry to their mommies all night. Actually, if it were me I would just ship into an SFI and do some old school bumping. Oh the rage is glorious when their Skiff goes flying 30km with each gentle nudge. Has anyone bumped a barge with a Higgs Anchor Freighter? That'd be pretty funny.
Bing Bangboom DAMAG Safety Commission 324	Posted - 2015.01.02 03:30:53 - [87] - Quote The actual answer is, yes you do. Now the ISD is correct that CCP doesn't require it. The anti-Code posters are also correct, its your choice. You can try the, mostly bad, advice they provide. Of course, they don't provide you with any actual support to allow you to defy CODE., being forum alts, but they make very brave and defiant posts here where they are only ganked by their own rediculousness. But here's the thing. If you choose to mine in a New Order system, those with sec status between .5 and 1.0 without a permit which is only one part of the full New Halaima Code of Conduct (www.minerbumping.com), you are subject to the following: 1) Bumpng 2) Ganking 3) Destruction of your corp or alliance 4) Confiscation of some or all of your ingame assets 5) Public humiliation at your impotent defiance on the www.minerbumping.com blog OR you can make the very wise economic decision to buy a mining permit for 10,000,000 ISK for one full year, good for all of highsec. You still have to follow the rest of the Code of course. Lots of miners and other highsec civilians have made the decision to forgo a permit. Almost 62,000 ships and pods, over 9 trillion ISK of illegal mining and hauling equipment has been the price. Over 1 trillion ISK in December 2014 alone. And yet you have posters here saying CODE. is a joke and that you can easily avoid them. I'm sure the 5122 pilots who died to CODE. in December would like the chance to rethink their decisions. Often the lack of a 10 million ISK permit cost them multiple billions in losses. Heres a way to know who to believe. Go to zkillboard and look at the killboards of the people here giving you advice to defy the New Order. Then look at the killboard for CODE. I'm assuming you are of average or even higher IQ. The answer should be obvious. Contact the Agent who told you that you needed a permit. Send him 10 million ISK and agree to support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec. Go to www.minerbumping.com and read The Code. Follow the VERY good advice you find there and get on with your life in highsec. Or don't buy a permit..... We'll be around directly. Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable Highsec is worth fighting for. By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 557	Posted - 2015.01.02 03:55:59 - [88] - Quote Bianca Silver wrote: Alana Packham wrote: CODE are a joke, gang up with a few other local miners, fly a skiff, and start charging THEM for entering a system and they will wet themselves and cry to their mommies all night. I don't even know who my mother is. Why do people always generalize? It's ok. As long as you know who your friends are, you'll get by. Vote Sabriz!
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 175	Posted - 2015.01.02 04:24:24 - [89] - Quote Zetaomega333 wrote: Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? CODE. is a high-sec ganking alliance. Anything CODE says is Role Play, and shouldn't be taken seriously. So the answer is very simple, and you can absolutely continue solo play. You are not 'fully safe' anywhere, but you can take precautions to ensure that such a thing won't happen so often (if at all). So, add the alliance "CODE." as a contact, and set them to -10.0. When they appear in Local, they'll have a red mark on their portrait, and you'll be able to see it, so you'll know what they're going to do. Dock up preemptively. But the biggest thing you can do is don't be fully AFK. Check your D-Scan every now and then, and browse Local when you feel like it for players with Negative Security Status (positive Security Status players can still gank you, but it's less likely. You always lose Security Status with Highsec ganks). Stay aligned (facing) [insert celestial object here] so you can warp out quickly when you see someone on grid. Getting a Procurer or a Skiff is also a good idea. Do you need a new Barge? It never has mattered what way you are facing as your time to warp is dependant on how long it takes you to get to warp speed and the direction your ship is facing has no impact on that. It will take the same amount of time if you are facing where you are warping or if you are facing the other way. Is that so? Well I never. I've always assumed your ship gains velocity towards the direction you are aligning when you are facing that direction. I've being totally misinterpreting aligning mechanics. Well, that makes my life ALOT easier. I guess now I've got to delete my 200+ Stargate directional bookmarks. But heck, no matter. Thank you greatly, kind sir.
Keno Skir 712	Posted - 2015.01.02 05:43:08 - [90] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Thats the thing. I understand ganking experienced players who know better and know alot about this game but im pretty new. I mean, ive had this account for a few years, but ive only ever played for like 3 months. After they killed my ship, I have nothing.... I have like an ibis 10 jumps away but thats it... I had a mackinaw.... So just use the other cash you had saved to buy another Mack. You weren't flying something you couldn't afford to replace were you? Cus that would be down right stupid wouldn't it? Gùï> 3 Week Buddy Trial + ISK Bonus & Starting Assistance <Gùï Feel free to contact me regarding my posts, or my 21 Day EvE Buddy Trials \o/



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