The best advice I was ever given about EVE was "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose". I haven't always lived by that, but I certainly strive to.

Good luck getting back on your spacefeet.

Look the best way to avoid bottom feeders is to not hang out on the bottom.

In null (and im sure low) sec, you can pretty much assume that non friendly locals are there to gank you, and its easier to take precaution until you get someone to get a visual on the non friendly. You are in the mind set that ganks are coming with the territory and are fit for it, with an escape route, and its FAR easier to monitor local chat for gankers.

The actual answer is, yes you do.

Now the ISD is correct that CCP doesn't require it. The anti-Code posters are also correct, its your choice. You can try the, mostly bad, advice they provide. Of course, they don't provide you with any actual support to allow you to defy CODE., being forum alts, but they make very brave and defiant posts here where they are only ganked by their own rediculousness.

But here's the thing. If you choose to mine in a New Order system, those with sec status between .5 and 1.0 without a permit which is only one part of the full New Halaima Code of Conduct (www.minerbumping.com), you are subject to the following:

1) Bumpng
2) Ganking
3) Destruction of your corp or alliance
4) Confiscation of some or all of your ingame assets
5) Public humiliation at your impotent defiance on the www.minerbumping.com blog

OR you can make the very wise economic decision to buy a mining permit for 10,000,000 ISK for one full year, good for all of highsec. You still have to follow the rest of the Code of course.

Lots of miners and other highsec civilians have made the decision to forgo a permit. Almost 62,000 ships and pods, over 9 trillion ISK of illegal mining and hauling equipment has been the price. Over 1 trillion ISK in December 2014 alone. And yet you have posters here saying CODE. is a joke and that you can easily avoid them. I'm sure the 5122 pilots who died to CODE. in December would like the chance to rethink their decisions. Often the lack of a 10 million ISK permit cost them multiple billions in losses.

Heres a way to know who to believe. Go to zkillboard and look at the killboards of the people here giving you advice to defy the New Order. Then look at the killboard for CODE. I'm assuming you are of average or even higher IQ. The answer should be obvious.

Contact the Agent who told you that you needed a permit. Send him 10 million ISK and agree to support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec. Go to www.minerbumping.com and read The Code. Follow the VERY good advice you find there and get on with your life in highsec. Or don't buy a permit.....

We'll be around directly.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

I assume every single Eve player is out to get me, regardless of the sec status of whatever system I'm currently in. Because of this I generally don't get asploded, though I'm prone to the occasional bout of dumb, which usually leads to a dead orca. That's ok, though, because orcas must die.

A wheelchair? Anyways, a permit is only 10M ISK and is good for a whole year. For that price, it would be silly not to by the permit - almost 10 trillion ISK has been destroyed by the CODE. alliance alone, much of which would have been spared if pilots just paid the pittance for a permit which even a highsec miner can earn in an hour or two.

Even if you think it is unlikely we will find you, it just makes economic sense for that extra bit of safety while operating in our territory.


What are you going on about? The CODE. alliance won the tournament before it even started, and then made history by going undefeated. Ask a hundred highsec miners if they remember who CCP declared the winner and I bet you will not get even one correct answer. In fact, more will probably answer Code than anything else.

This is more proof that emergent content and our brand of elite PvP trumps inconsequential structured "PvP" in this beautiful sandbox that is Eve.

Name-calling from SMA. LOL.



I assume every single Eve player is out to get me, regardless of the sec status of whatever system I'm currently in. Because of this I generally don't get asploded, though I'm prone to the occasional bout of dumb, which usually leads to a dead orca. That's ok, though, because orcas must die.

your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries

People talk tough on the forums about hiring mercs, "killing" CODE's Catalysts (lol?) and all this defiant stuff...

In game they do none of this and their mining barges explode just the same as everyone elses.

I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere?

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4) Confiscation of some or all of your ingame assets
5) Public humiliation at your impotent defiance on the www.minerbumping.com blog

Look at that...
Remember:
DO NOT TALK TO CODE!!
codies will save you reactions as tears and will humiliate anyway on their blogs even if you buy a permit.
any gr will be considered tears and codies f-pp over that. If you get to upset, your reaction will be send to CCP as RL threat.

And 4:
They cannot to that! Acting like they are something somehow official from CCP is some thing they try from time to time until they get slapped on the fingers by CCP.

Even if you think it is unlikely we will find you, it just makes economic sense for that extra bit of safety while operating in our territory.

What are you going on about? The CODE. alliance ...-> Grimms' Fairy Tales

This is more proof that emergent content and our brand of elite PvP trumps inconsequential structured "PvP" in this beautiful sandbox that is Eve.

I truly believe that the people who give bad advice are also those that would suggest that you cannot play the game solo.

However.
You seem to have misinterpreted what he meant.
When he says 'solo mining career' he means to mine by himself, and not in a mining fleet or with player corp mates.

He has supposedly played for a time-span of under 4 months, so I would assume that he thinks that a player corp is safer/more profitable/better in every other way. A long time ago I used to think the same thing.

Friends are fine. Game mechanics are fine. Third-party tools are fine too.
You can play the game in any which way and you'll still succeed no less.

Yes, we can do that. Besides the constant confiscation of illegal mining and hauling equipment, I myself have confiscated three POSes belonging to non-compliant carebear alliances and the contents within. Sold off everything and used the proceeds to buy shares in the New Order. The ISK raised by selling shares is used to provide more ganking ships and equipment. Plus the story of the POS takedowns appeared in the Forum section of www.minerbumping.com (see "Cry Havoc and let slip the dogs of war" and "Inferno") so you don't have to talk to us to fulfill terrible consequence 5. Outside of my activities look at the killboard of PV Rock who specializes in curing highsec dwellers of AFK piloting and the recent minerbumping story of the confiscation of an entire rebel alliance (Ocean's Zero, part 1 though 23 or something).

Unlike James 315, the Savior of Highsec, who is really trying to help the highsec miners leave behind their sad, pointless existences, I have to admit to be somewhat ambiguous about the carebears initial decision. If they buy a permit I always honor it as long as the miner remains true to their word to obey the Code but if they choose not to I happily blast them into space dust and prompt them again to get right with the New Order. I am willing to do this as many times as it takes and don't consider it a bother at all. On occasion I've been acused of actually liking it....

Because this is how we see it. The New Order of Highsec exists to drive the bots and bot aspirants out of highsec. We do this by enforcing the Code. The permit allows us to easily identify those who support us (who have permits) and those who support the bots and bot aspirants (those without). When I encounter a miner without a permit I KNOW right there he is an opponent of the New Order. If I mercifully give him the opportunity to buy a permit and he declines he confirms his support of the bot aspirants. Either way, he must be opposed. See my earlier post for how we do it.

The actual question asked by the OP was "Am I really not safe mining anywhere?" The answer is, of course, yes, you are not safe mining anywhere. Or missioning. Or hauling. Or just sitting outside of station. That is a fundamental truism of this game. Buying a permit makes you a bit safer from the most organized, efficient and motivated group of highsec pvpers but nowhere near "safe". I am always amused by the people who show you how to select your ship, tank it properly, utilize the tools you are provided for situational awareness and even tell you who to play with that then tell you not to buy a permit and follow the Code. Its like sending a football player out in full pads except his helmet. As we always say, "Permit tank, best tank".

This is getting Jamesian in length so I will wrap things up by complimenting the same posters I have been critical of by saying they, at least, haven't called for the declaring of bumping or ganking to be some sort of exploit that needs to be "fixed" by CCP. Couple of them have come dangerously close to calling us "griefers" but most have at least given you advice that, combined with a permit, would help you survive somewhat better in this dangerous universe you've chosen to inhabit. Both sides of this argument actually want to help you. They want to help you mine better (blech). We want to get you into a ship where, when you pull the trigger, its another player who blows up, not just a rock. Believe me when I tell you, your future enjoyment of this game greatly depends on which of us you listen to.

BBB

Second, my home country had (and still has, in some areas) some omni-present, heavy IRL racketing and I hated that.
Outside of EvE, racketing is not funny stuff, they shoot your relatives and burn your home / shop / factory if you don't toss loads of money to their sharks. Hence I made a point to never, ever submit to racketeers, even if this is "just" a game.
I prefer paying 500M a week to an high sec corp - out of my OWN decision - than 10M a year to racketeers.

I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere?

New Order is an affable lot of role players. You could choose to resist their petty tyranny or enjoy their endless entertainment. There are several ways to do this.

1) Just sit in local and listen to their endless babble. Some really take to their roleplaying with conviction and it is great fun trying to pull them out of character.

2) Spend time bumping them. They absolutely hate being chased around and bumped.

3) The gank usually consists of one Catalyst. If you surmise this situation antagonize them While mining in an extremely tanky miner. Hilarity ensues when they get Concorded and you boat back for repairs.

Don't look for CCP for assistance. They changed their definition of griefing to allow this sort of behavior, it is classified as emergent, not griefing or bullying.

1. Stop mining
2. Run mission

Eve is a military economy, think about it.

3. Stop run mission

4. Start running down the reality duct. When you reach the Pillars of the Podoemoreal you know that you have gone too far. If you see the Pillars of the Podomorial at any point in time. Turn back, continue in your new direction until you have passed 3 vents. Enter the 4th vent.

*glomps Alex Grison*

You should post more often, really- the forums need you..

No they didn't.

You're a liar.

There's a cloaked spider right behind you ...

You know what else the forums need, Zimmy?