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Naturalcause Lemon Globel Nerds Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.01 03:21:54 - [1] - Quote I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere?
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7811	Posted - 2015.01.01 03:24:30 - [2] - Quote CHODE shilling alt detected. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Naturalcause Lemon Globel Nerds Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.01 03:25:24 - [3] - Quote Can i please get some helpful replys lol
Cyndrogen Curse of Knowledge Advanced Vector 701	Posted - 2015.01.01 03:40:51 - [4] - Quote 1. Stop mining 2. Run mission Eve is a military economy, think about it.
Arisidana Amadari Traders 60	Posted - 2015.01.01 03:42:41 - [5] - Quote You should mine in lowsec, I heard Code is scared of lowsec.
Naturalcause Lemon Globel Nerds Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.01 03:50:04 - [6] - Quote Why does this "code" do what they do? they are alienating an entire solo profession because why?
Naturalcause Lemon Globel Nerds Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.01 03:50:57 - [7] - Quote Isnt mining in lowsec just as dangerous?
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2015.01.01 03:52:24 - [8] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? CODE. is a high-sec ganking alliance. Anything CODE says is Role Play, and shouldn't be taken seriously. So the answer is very simple, and you can absolutely continue solo play. You are not 'fully safe' anywhere, but you can take precautions to ensure that such a thing won't happen so often (if at all). So, add the alliance "CODE." as a contact, and set them to -10.0. When they appear in Local, they'll have a red mark on their portrait, and you'll be able to see it, so you'll know what they're going to do. Dock up preemptively. But the biggest thing you can do is don't be fully AFK. Check your D-Scan every now and then, and browse Local when you feel like it for players with Negative Security Status (positive Security Status players can still gank you, but it's less likely. You always lose Security Status with Highsec ganks). Stay aligned (facing) [insert celestial object here] so you can warp out quickly when you see someone on grid. Getting a Procurer or a Skiff is also a good idea. Do you need a new Barge?
Naturalcause Lemon Globel Nerds Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.01 03:56:54 - [9] - Quote Thats the thing. I understand ganking experienced players who know better and know alot about this game but im pretty new. I mean, ive had this account for a few years, but ive only ever played for like 3 months. After they killed my ship, I have nothing.... I have like an ibis 10 jumps away but thats it... I had a mackinaw....
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2015.01.01 03:57:50 - [10] - Quote So, no, it is a sandbox game, you are able to do whatever you want, it is not illegal to mine in any part of New Eden. People can of course kill you... Anywhere. So it's up to you to be prepared in advance, and predict the situation ahead. You can 'be safe,' but don't think it is a given right.

Memphis Baas 43	Posted - 2015.01.01 03:59:10 - [11] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Why does this "code" do what they do? they are alienating an entire solo profession because why? It's a PVP game, people will PVP. It's also an MMO, meaning that other players will affect your attempts at solo play. Finally, the game has been out for 10 years, and it's been like this for 10 years, so that gives you an idea of the chances you may have to change the game towards more protection for mining, if that's what you're looking for.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2015.01.01 04:01:47 - [12] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Thats the thing. I understand ganking experienced players who know better and know alot about this game but im pretty new. I mean, ive had this account for a few years, but ive only ever played for like 3 months. After they killed my ship, I have nothing.... I have like an ibis 10 jumps away but thats it... I had a mackinaw.... OK, well, that's probably a bit expensive for me to replace for you. I can't say that I don't feel sorry for you, but EVE provides the tools to PVP anywhere, with whoever, whether they like it or not. Treat it as a learning experience, because you can't not make mistakes. Move onwards, I guess. Tech I Mining Barge is fine, right? I don't... Really... Want to replace a Mackinaw.
Memphis Baas 43	Posted - 2015.01.01 04:03:26 - [13] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Thats the thing. I understand ganking experienced players who know better and know alot about this game but im pretty new. Because they attack players in high security, their own security ratings get shot to -10, and as such the NPC Navies do hunt them when they enter the space where you are. So they don't have much time to check your age, check your history, check wtf you're doing, and so on. They just see a juicy target (mining ship) and they take it out. Sorry but you don't get special status. Nobody does. I'm an alt, flying an empty shuttle worth only 10k credits, nothing in the cargo, I got killed. What was the point? Certainly nothing to do with me or my ship, they were just looking for kills and fun. This is the game.
Naturalcause Lemon Globel Nerds Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.01 04:10:41 - [14] - Quote Ive learned so much from you guys especially Memphis. lol Im going to be super cautious and do the steps you provided to ensure better safety. A retriever is fine Memphis. It would be greatly appreciated. I just wanna get back on my feet
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2015.01.01 04:12:41 - [15] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Ive learned so much from you guys especially Memphis. lol Im going to be super cautious and do the steps you provided to ensure better safety. A retriever is fine Memphis. It would be greatly appreciated. I just wanna get back on my feet My name's Ferni, but anyway, you're in Citadel, right? I'll be over that way soon.
Naturalcause Lemon Globel Nerds Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.01 04:17:09 - [16] - Quote Is there anyway u could send me just enough money to cover a jita priced retriever? Im on the forums on my ipod currently. lol
Memphis Baas 44	Posted - 2015.01.01 04:18:46 - [17] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: My name's Ferni Maybe I can change my hair color to blue or something.
Naturalcause Lemon Globel Nerds Federation 0	Posted - 2015.01.01 04:22:45 - [18] - Quote Lol i meant everyone really helped me, Memphis and Ferni you were both very helpful. :) this community needs more people like u
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1101	Posted - 2015.01.01 04:31:21 - [19] - Quote http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/07/counter-ganking.html?view=sidebar Taking things at face value here, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you could probably benefit from this. Fly safe. That thing you just poasted? Yeah, that. That's the reason Ezwal always looks unhappy.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 160	Posted - 2015.01.01 05:45:42 - [20] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Is there anyway u could send me just enough money to cover a jita priced retriever? Im on the forums on my ipod currently. lol Retriever + Fit and Drones + Salvaging Skills are all waiting in game for you. I also have an EVEmail there for you with additional information on the fit, and where better places to Mine may be.

Dradis Aulmais Ignite Llc. V.L.A.S.T 271	Posted - 2015.01.01 05:49:04 - [21] - Quote Joking a corp safety in numbers look at the recruiting forum
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 160	Posted - 2015.01.01 05:52:58 - [22] - Quote Dradis Aulmais wrote: Joking a corp safety in numbers look at the recruiting forum 'Safety in numbers' >>> More targets. Just sayin'
LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 670	Posted - 2015.01.01 06:04:52 - [23] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? guys that ganked you gank for fun. if you buy a permit from them, they will take your isk then gank you. if you mine in systems off the beaten path, you will be OK. you can mine in null-sec, or in wormholes, both are safe if you use intel tools and are part of a corp. more profitable too. EDIT - i highly recommend you join a null-sec group and mine in the deep back-end systems they have for this purpose. the profit is 3-4x the profit of high-sec minerals, you have access to regional intel tools, so someone shows up 5 jumps away you know about it. You can refine your ore in stations for a small tax i guess most corps take, then sell to that station or run high-end minerals to empire via wormhole chains yourself if you know how to scan. You will get ganked every now and again, but because you are mining high-end null-sec ore, you dont really care, you replace whatever was lost in 1 hour tops.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 7401	Posted - 2015.01.01 06:14:58 - [24] - Quote You don't need a permit and being in a mining corp is counterproductive. Being AFK or not doesn't really matter. The only thing you need to know is this. Be a harder to kill target than the other miners in your system. That's it. The best way to do that is by training some shield skills and fitting a decent buffer tank. Also, keep in mind that some Exhumers are inherently harder to kill than others. The trade off is that they mine slower. A decent trade off in my opinion. One other thing is to get out of populated systems. Find a nice backwater place that is 6 or 7 jumps from a trade hub and 3 or 4 jumps from low sec. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 545	Posted - 2015.01.01 06:24:23 - [25] - Quote Yeah, there is no benefit for a hisec miner to join a corp, it will only expose them to wardecs and awoxers. Judging from your kill mail, your tank skills must be pretty bad. You should probably work on those, along with fitting skills and other core skills. Maybe stick to the small tanky barge/exhumer in the meantime. And fit a damage control in one of the lowslots.
Dsparil Mal Einstein-Rosen Frontier Holdings 37	Posted - 2015.01.01 07:58:25 - [26] - Quote CODE. are a bunch of role playing gankers. The permits don't do ****. I gank miners just to make them cry. It's good times. Erotica 1 for CSM 9!
Foodpimp xHELLonEARTHx Against ALL Authorities 187	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:03:14 - [27] - Quote Code is basically the Brave Newbies of high sec.
Kaely Tanniss Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 139	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:07:28 - [28] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? The biggest problem with your statement is "how i should continue my solo mining career." Eve is not a solo game. It's a highly social MMO. With that being said, you are always in danger at anything you do in Eve. I suggest you make some friends, pay attention to local and who lands on grid with you..and use d-scan. If you don't know what these things are or how to use them, that's exactly why Eve isn't a solo game. You need some friendly guidance and advice..but be careful, there are those who give bad advice to new players (assuming you are new). Do not let the name "high security space" fool you into believing you are safe. Gl and fly safer. If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Foodpimp xHELLonEARTHx Against ALL Authorities 187	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:10:37 - [29] - Quote Kaely Tanniss wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? The biggest problem with your statement is "how i should continue my solo mining career." Eve is not a solo game. It's a highly social MMO. With that being said, you are always in danger at anything you do in Eve. I suggest you make some friends, pay attention to local and who lands on grid with you..and use d-scan. If you don't know what these things are or how to use them, that's exactly why Eve isn't a solo game. You need some friendly guidance and advice..but be careful, there are those who give bad advice to new players (assuming you are new). Do not let the name "high security space" fool you into believing you are safe. Gl and fly safer. you...uhhh...you know that's a CODE alt....right?
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 1748	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:24:19 - [30] - Quote Foodpimp wrote: Code is basically the Brave Newbies of high sec. Wow you win the "Stupidest thing said in 2015" award and it's only the first of January. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 857	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:27:03 - [31] - Quote mine in out of the way systems, and/or fit a buffer tank. laugh at code when they spend more in ships to gank you than yours is worth. I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn
8 EyedSpy Aliastra Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:27:29 - [32] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Thats the thing. I understand ganking experienced players who know better and know alot about this game but im pretty new. I mean, ive had this account for a few years, but ive only ever played for like 3 months. After they killed my ship, I have nothing.... I have like an ibis 10 jumps away but thats it... I had a mackinaw.... As far as they know you've been playing for years and three months isn't new anyway. The reason you don't know a lot about the game is you haven't cared to learn. At least now you know the first rule of Eve, don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
Foodpimp xHELLonEARTHx Against ALL Authorities 187	Posted - 2015.01.01 08:30:40 - [33] - Quote Sol Project wrote: Foodpimp wrote: Code is basically the Brave Newbies of high sec. Wow you win the "Stupidest thing said in 2015" award and it's only the first of January. Didn't mean to hurt yer feelings.
Marlona Sky Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 5835	Posted - 2015.01.01 09:04:31 - [34] - Quote As someone already touched on, you want to be the least attractive target for the suicide gankers. If you are going with exhumers I recommend this setup right here: [Skiff, .I.. Code] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Medium Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Hammerhead II x5 Salvage Drone I x5 Hobgoblin II x5 This little baby has serious beast levels of buffer hit points on it. It will make any group of suicide gankers cry giant baby man tears. Make sure the drones are out and set to not focus fire so when the suicide gankers come and smash their pimple filled faces against the brick wall that is your tank - you get on as many kill mails as possible. Also be sure to have the shield hardeners pre overloaded and not active. Then when they start to land next to you, turn them on. If you are running command ship level shield links as well, we are talking well over 190 thousand EHP! I know you may look at the harvesting levels and think about adding mining upgrades, but let's be honest here. Why harvest rocks when you can harvest suicide ganker tears? The Paradox
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12329	Posted - 2015.01.01 09:09:11 - [35] - Quote Foodpimp wrote: Sol Project wrote: Foodpimp wrote: Code is basically the Brave Newbies of high sec. Wow you win the "Stupidest thing said in 2015" award and it's only the first of January. Didn't mean to hurt yer feelings. Lol two times winner now. If you wanna smack, at least say something that makes sense. :) It makes you less vulnerable too, poor guy. ^_^ Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Foodpimp xHELLonEARTHx Against ALL Authorities 187	Posted - 2015.01.01 09:12:53 - [36] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Foodpimp wrote: Sol Project wrote: Foodpimp wrote: Code is basically the Brave Newbies of high sec. Wow you win the "Stupidest thing said in 2015" award and it's only the first of January. Didn't mean to hurt yer feelings. Lol two times winner now. If you wanna smack, at least say something that makes sense. :) It makes you less vulnerable too, poor guy. ^_^ Well...I apparently hurt the feelings of code runners. That certainly wasn't my intent. Please accept my humblest apologies.
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 366	Posted - 2015.01.01 09:21:48 - [37] - Quote Foodpimp wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Foodpimp wrote: Sol Project wrote: Foodpimp wrote: Code is basically the Brave Newbies of high sec. Wow you win the "Stupidest thing said in 2015" award and it's only the first of January. Didn't mean to hurt yer feelings. Lol two times winner now. If you wanna smack, at least say something that makes sense. :) It makes you less vulnerable too, poor guy. ^_^ Well...I apparently hurt the feelings of code runners. That certainly wasn't my intent. Please accept my humblest apologies. Acting like a H0E in GD I see.
Foodpimp xHELLonEARTHx Against ALL Authorities 187	Posted - 2015.01.01 09:27:56 - [38] - Quote I honestly didn't realize that RP gankers were this sensitive. Ya'll just kind of came out of the woodwork.
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 366	Posted - 2015.01.01 09:40:30 - [39] - Quote Foodpimp wrote: I honestly didn't realize that RP gankers were this sensitive. Ya'll just kind of came out of the woodwork. Again you are mistaken, this is general discussion. Hang out a little more and you shall see a very strong vein of posting that has little to do with role playing, gankers or sensitivity. There is however frequent discussion of wood working. fake edit: my last post was a humorous referral to your corp tag...
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12335	Posted - 2015.01.01 11:23:45 - [40] - Quote He can't even read. I didn't defend CODE. Dude... the game! You lose! Lol The cake is a lie!!!!!1111 ringring Hello?? ...... MOM!!!!!! 2010 CALLED THEY WANT THEIR JOKE BACK!!! MOM??????? walks in .... all glory to the hypnotoad .......... all glory to the hypnotoad ........ all glory to the never gonna give you up never gonna let you down never gonna run around and hurt you .................... Welcome to GD. Kneel before Sol! Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!

Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12341	Posted - 2015.01.01 11:24:56 - [41] - Quote Cancel Align NOW wrote: Foodpimp wrote: I honestly didn't realize that RP gankers were this sensitive. Ya'll just kind of came out of the woodwork. Again you are mistaken, this is general discussion. Hang out a little more and you shall see a very strong vein of posting that has little to do with role playing, gankers or sensitivity. There is however frequent discussion of wood working. fake edit: my last post was a humorous referral to your corp tag... Excuse me, but I am always roleplaying! Cuffs are okay too! Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 169	Posted - 2015.01.01 12:14:32 - [42] - Quote Kaely Tanniss wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? The biggest problem with your statement is "how i should continue my solo mining career." Eve is not a solo game. It's a highly social MMO. With that being said, you are always in danger at anything you do in Eve. I suggest you make some friends, pay attention to local and who lands on grid with you..and use d-scan. If you don't know what these things are or how to use them, that's exactly why Eve isn't a solo game. You need some friendly guidance and advice..but be careful, there are those who give bad advice to new players (assuming you are new). I truly believe that the people who give bad advice are also those that would suggest that you cannot play the game solo. However. You seem to have misinterpreted what he meant. When he says 'solo mining career' he means to mine by himself, and not in a mining fleet or with player corp mates. He has supposedly played for a time-span of under 4 months, so I would assume that he thinks that a player corp is safer/more profitable/better in every other way. A long time ago I used to think the same thing. Friends are fine. Game mechanics are fine. Third-party tools are fine too. You can play the game in any which way and you'll still succeed no less.
Mixu Paatelainen Eve Refinery 206	Posted - 2015.01.01 12:17:29 - [43] - Quote Hook, line and sinker. All of you. Except Sol.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12341	Posted - 2015.01.01 12:20:20 - [44] - Quote Mixu Paatelainen wrote: Hook, line and sinker. All of you. Except Sol. kinks (: Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1733	Posted - 2015.01.01 12:33:44 - [45] - Quote Code-compliance will prevent you being ganked (by CODE at least). Source: my CODE alt Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Jurico Elemenohpe 14th Legion The Bloc 65	Posted - 2015.01.01 12:43:18 - [46] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: As someone already touched on, you want to be the least attractive target for the suicide gankers. If you are going with exhumers I recommend this setup right here: [Skiff, .I.. Code] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Medium Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Hammerhead II x5 Salvage Drone I x5 Hobgoblin II x5 This little baby has serious beast levels of buffer hit points on it. It will make any group of suicide gankers cry giant baby man tears. Make sure the drones are out and set to not focus fire so when the suicide gankers come and smash their pimple filled faces against the brick wall that is your tank - you get on as many kill mails as possible. Also be sure to have the shield hardeners pre overloaded and not active. Then when they start to land next to you, turn them on. If you are running command ship level shield links as well, we are talking well over 190 thousand EHP! I know you may look at the harvesting levels and think about adding mining upgrades, but let's be honest here. Why harvest rocks when you can harvest suicide ganker tears? Because they're probably going to scan you before attacking a skiff.. And they'll decide there are easier skiffs to gank.. So you'd never get attacked by all but the stupidest? Even without scanning, they know it's a skiff which is a ***** to kill.
Lina Alar Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 6335	Posted - 2015.01.01 13:48:09 - [47] - Quote Yes. It's called a subscription (a.k.a. Pilot License in-game). An explanation of Eve socialization: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTbgvYPVdXE Lick with your mainGäó
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 422	Posted - 2015.01.01 13:59:00 - [48] - Quote No permit needed....just go to where they never go (khanid works) and mine away in peace. The only law in highsec is that of concord, and they don't require permits. code are criminals who break the law by ganking...you certainly are under no obligation to cooperate with them.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12356	Posted - 2015.01.01 14:09:23 - [49] - Quote You people make me feel like the smartest person alive. Humanity is so ******. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Steppa Musana Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2015.01.01 14:29:25 - [50] - Quote CODE lost the AT but they win at shiptoasting hands down.

Lupe Meza Hedion University Amarr Empire 44	Posted - 2015.01.01 14:37:09 - [51] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Dradis Aulmais wrote: Joking a corp safety in numbers look at the recruiting forum 'Safety in numbers' >>> More targets. Just sayin' Absolutely. State of High Sec and wardecs being as they are, if the OP really wants to play solo there is no benefit to him joining a high sec indy corp. On top of CODE, he'll have to deal with the plethora of elite high sec pvp corps. In an NPC corp he just deals with CODE and the odd suicide ganker. Safety in numbers doesn't really fly in high IMO, you're just advertising a henhouse for the foxes to come in and eat their fill.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12356	Posted - 2015.01.01 14:58:48 - [52] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Thats the thing. I understand ganking experienced players who know better and know alot about this game but im pretty new. Because they attack players in high security, their own security ratings get shot to -10, and as such the NPC Navies do hunt them when they enter the space where you are. So they don't have much time to check your age, check your history, check wtf you're doing, and so on. They just see a juicy target (mining ship) and they take it out. Not true. Not even remotely. I am surrounded by idiots. Why is this bullshit trolling thread not closed yet? Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Ryuu Towryk Perkone Caldari State 37	Posted - 2015.01.01 15:13:37 - [53] - Quote Permit? HAHAHAHA, nope. Gank me!
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory. 1507	Posted - 2015.01.01 15:16:23 - [54] - Quote Just change the system...move in another area. If you want to play solo....go to the test server. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 27958	Posted - 2015.01.01 15:26:29 - [55] - Quote Foodpimp wrote: Kaely Tanniss wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? The biggest problem with your statement is "how i should continue my solo mining career." Eve is not a solo game. It's a highly social MMO. With that being said, you are always in danger at anything you do in Eve. I suggest you make some friends, pay attention to local and who lands on grid with you..and use d-scan. If you don't know what these things are or how to use them, that's exactly why Eve isn't a solo game. You need some friendly guidance and advice..but be careful, there are those who give bad advice to new players (assuming you are new). Do not let the name "high security space" fool you into believing you are safe. Gl and fly safer. you...uhhh...you know that's a CODE alt....right? given he does have a mack loss on killboard, maybe he's not
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 19007	Posted - 2015.01.01 15:39:42 - [56] - Quote Bait Thread is bait. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 5741	Posted - 2015.01.01 15:42:25 - [57] - Quote Mining permit? I am registered as miner with a wide variety of mining corporations. If you doubt my permissions to mine, bring it up with them. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3353	Posted - 2015.01.01 15:50:49 - [58] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Am i really not safe mining anywhere? There is no real safety anywhere in EvE. If you undock, you can be shot at. Period. But do you need a permit from whatever organisation to do what you want to do in game? The answer is no, you do not. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Baneken Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 448	Posted - 2015.01.01 15:51:19 - [59] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Why does this "code" do what they do? they are alienating an entire solo profession because why? Code obviously stands for chronically obese despotic elves and their main source of income is shooting miners and touting their propaganda on the forums ad nauseam in order to feel ~~important~~ relevant.
Adrie Atticus Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion 802	Posted - 2015.01.01 15:54:39 - [60] - Quote Just go one region over towards a random direction, chances of encountering code is almost zero.

admiral root Red Galaxy 2078	Posted - 2015.01.01 16:20:17 - [61] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: But do you need a permit from whatever organisation to do what you want to do in game? The answer is no, you do not. The answer is: do they have the firepower to back up their demands? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Logan Revelore Symbiotic Systems 41	Posted - 2015.01.01 17:10:50 - [62] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Thats the thing. I understand ganking experienced players who know better and know alot about this game but im pretty new. I mean, ive had this account for a few years, but ive only ever played for like 3 months. After they killed my ship, I have nothing.... I have like an ibis 10 jumps away but thats it... I had a mackinaw.... What is it they say, don't fly want you can't afford to lose..
DaReaper Net 7 1636	Posted - 2015.01.01 17:56:20 - [63] - Quote No, you do not need to buy a permit. CODE. is a player group that uses an old tacktic to extort money. Pay them and you get 'protection' from the mod. Don't and you get ganked. Just move to a different system away form the hubs, there are tons, you just need to move. Then you don;t have to worry about code. Or fit so you cna tank them long enough to run. Or pay there extortion money. But thats doens;t meam you won;t get ganked (reminds me i should make an anti code group to gank the code paying miners.. hmm....) OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Talon SilverHawk Ronin Cartel Just The Tip.. 722	Posted - 2015.01.01 18:17:39 - [64] - Quote Code is a griefers alliance thinly disguised as role playing org, Ignore them, take precautions, don't pay them a cent, point and laugh when you see them. If you want a good chuckle check out their performance in last years alliance tournament, and the poor excuses the had for it : ) Tal
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 129	Posted - 2015.01.01 18:50:51 - [65] - Quote Talon SilverHawk wrote: Code is a griefers alliance thinly disguised as role playing org, Ignore them, take precautions, don't pay them a cent, point and laugh when you see them. If you want a good chuckle check out their performance in last years alliance tournament, and the poor excuses the had for it : ) Tal I disagree with your opinion that CODE. are a griefers alliance. IMHO They're a pirate/criminal group with aspects of roleplay; normally manifested in the form of tongue in cheek religious zealotry. They run a protection racket in which their modus operandi is to kill people who aren't paying attention and attempt to extort isk from them for a "permit"; something which is currently allowed and is within the rules established by CCP. Their AT performance is completely irrelevant in the context of the OP's original question. At the OP; no you don't need a permit to mine in highsec, what you do need to do is to take precautions against the likes of CODE. Set standings to them @ terrible using the personal standings mechanic, which will highlight them in a rather fetching shade of red on the overview and in local. Treat highsec as dangerous space, choose and fit your ships accordingly, Skiffs and Procurers excel at discouraging gankers for the sacrifice of a little yield. If you have to go afk dock up, watch local for people who have terrible standings (see above) or who have small skulls next to their names. Don't rant at them, or you'll end up being an object of ridicule in local, on the minerbumping blog and in their forums. CONCORD would like to remind you that the only thing under their protection is the doughnut shop found on level 2 of the food-mall in every station. NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5584	Posted - 2015.01.01 18:56:02 - [66] - Quote Foodpimp wrote: Code is basically the Brave Newbies of high sec. "Brave" in what? At shooting AFK (possibly clueless) miners? Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Quanah Comanche Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2015.01.01 19:18:39 - [67] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Foodpimp wrote: Code is basically the Brave Newbies of high sec. "Brave" at what? At shooting AFK (possibly clueless) miners? Really. There is no resemblance......most of CODE are newbs anyhow.
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 375	Posted - 2015.01.01 19:34:09 - [68] - Quote Mixu Paatelainen wrote: Hook, line and sinker. All of you. Except Sol. Woah, buddy, I ain't swallowed anything in this thread.
Zetaomega333 HIFI INDUSTRIAL The Kadeshi 94	Posted - 2015.01.01 19:35:51 - [69] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? CODE. is a high-sec ganking alliance. Anything CODE says is Role Play, and shouldn't be taken seriously. So the answer is very simple, and you can absolutely continue solo play. You are not 'fully safe' anywhere, but you can take precautions to ensure that such a thing won't happen so often (if at all). So, add the alliance "CODE." as a contact, and set them to -10.0. When they appear in Local, they'll have a red mark on their portrait, and you'll be able to see it, so you'll know what they're going to do. Dock up preemptively. But the biggest thing you can do is don't be fully AFK. Check your D-Scan every now and then, and browse Local when you feel like it for players with Negative Security Status (positive Security Status players can still gank you, but it's less likely. You always lose Security Status with Highsec ganks). Stay aligned (facing) [insert celestial object here] so you can warp out quickly when you see someone on grid. Getting a Procurer or a Skiff is also a good idea. Do you need a new Barge? It never has mattered what way you are facing as your time to warp is dependant on how long it takes you to get to warp speed and the direction your ship is facing has no impact on that. It will take the same amount of time if you are facing where you are warping or if you are facing the other way.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 347	Posted - 2015.01.01 20:27:14 - [70] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Am i really not safe mining anywhere? There is no real safety anywhere in EvE. If you undock, you can be shot at. Period. But do you need a permit from whatever organisation to do what you want to do in game? The answer is no, you do not. Of course you don't need to buy one - just like you don't need to fit tank or stay at your keyboard. But if you want to mine unmolested in New Order territory you better have one and follow the Code. Whether this safety is worth the paltry 10M ISK/year is up to you. However if you listen to some of the advice here and forgo the permit, please don't come the the forum next time you explode while mining and beg CCP to make highsec safer for you because you chose to mine without one. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.

Foodpimp xHELLonEARTHx Against ALL Authorities 187	Posted - 2015.01.01 20:37:31 - [71] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: ISD Ezwal wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Am i really not safe mining anywhere? There is no real safety anywhere in EvE. If you undock, you can be shot at. Period. But do you need a permit from whatever organisation to do what you want to do in game? The answer is no, you do not. Of course you don't need to buy one - just like you don't need to fit tank or stay at your keyboard. But if you want to mine unmolested in New Order territory you better have one and follow the Code. Whether this safety is worth the paltry 10M ISK/year is up to you. However if you listen to some of the advice here and forgo the permit, please don't come the the forum next time you explode while mining and beg CCP to make highsec safer for you because you chose to mine without one. heh...roleplayers...adorable...
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 53031	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:06:17 - [72] - Quote While it is a pleasant surprise to see GD being helpful and kind for once in this thread (must be the new year), I have no idea why everyone in here is treating the 3,5 years old OP like a clueless and adorable newbie. I mean, come on, even if he wasn't subscribed the entire time... I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Aleksi Bocharov 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:23:01 - [73] - Quote You don't need a permit to mine in HiSec, however, you need a permit to avoid getting ganked by CODE. CODE permits are legit and you will not be ganked so long as you are following the rules CODE sets forth. Anyone who disagrees with me, show me examples of CODE ganking people who have permits.
Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 540	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:50:39 - [74] - Quote .5 sec - Ignore it. It's like .4 sec. It pretends to be high Sec with all the limits of low sec and none of the benefits. .6 and .7 sec - Skiff or Proc. A Mackinaw can work in .7 sec but it's not needed. .8 sec Mackinaw .9 and 10 Retriever Hulk and Covetor are junk, they got no role bonus and high sec doesn't have large enough rocks to justify the high maintenance needed to keep the beams cycling. R.I.P. Vile Rat
Jur Tissant The TERRA Guardians of Serenity 368	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:56:32 - [75] - Quote Piracy is part of the game, but pirates want easy kills. This means they will frequent high population systems and ice belts. Find yourself a low-population system in 0.5 or 0.6 and they might never bother you. Alternatively you can fly a Procurer and/or tank your barge. But then you have to weigh the significant loss in yield vs. the money you'll save from being ganked. I strongly discourage flying a Hulk or Mackinaw in high-sec.
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 261	Posted - 2015.01.01 22:05:47 - [76] - Quote Foodpimp wrote: Code is basically the Brave Newbies of high sec. lol ... silliest comment of the year ( so far)
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 4493	Posted - 2015.01.01 22:11:23 - [77] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? Mining Safely
Ryuu Towryk Perkone Caldari State 37	Posted - 2015.01.01 22:46:14 - [78] - Quote Aleksi Bocharov wrote: You don't need a permit to mine in HiSec, however, you need a permit to avoid getting ganked by CODE. CODE permits are legit and you will not be ganked so long as you are following the rules CODE sets forth. Anyone who disagrees with me, show me examples of CODE ganking people who have permits. Lol. Code can take that permit a put it where the sun don't shine.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 172	Posted - 2015.01.01 23:54:45 - [79] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: While it is a pleasant surprise to see GD being helpful and kind for once in this thread (must be the new year), I have no idea why everyone in here is treating the 3,5 years old OP like a clueless and adorable newbie. I mean, come on, even if he wasn't subscribed the entire time... I, personally, could not care less who I think I am helping. For if someone asks for help, and just might actually need it, then he has it, and not just a whole forum screaming: BAIT! Words are little to no effort, and 50 million is nothing. It's still more enjoyable than reading all the drunk New Year's threads.
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 27481	Posted - 2015.01.01 23:55:25 - [80] - Quote Yes, I am the proud posessor of a CODE 12 month mining and hauling permit. I may not display it in my bio because that's for normal people to do, plus there's no room. But never the less, I do have one and you can learn more by reading last July's exciting entry in my wormhole diaries. /Shameless plug Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel The Endgame \| Wormhole Diaries

Alana Packham Wardec Solutions 6	Posted - 2015.01.02 00:00:55 - [81] - Quote CODE are a joke, gang up with a few other local miners, fly a skiff, and start charging THEM for entering a system and they will wet themselves and cry to their mommies all night. CCP sells cheap multiple accounts, they want them. Every Multi-Accounter has weaknesses, look for them before crying 'It's not fair'.
Bianca Silver New Order Logistics CODE. 1268	Posted - 2015.01.02 00:03:01 - [82] - Quote Alana Packham wrote: CODE are a joke, gang up with a few other local miners, fly a skiff, and start charging THEM for entering a system and they will wet themselves and cry to their mommies all night. I don't even know who my mother is. Why do people always generalize? Mizhir > "The forums are the EVE endgame after all." Minerbumping.com
Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 262	Posted - 2015.01.02 00:07:20 - [83] - Quote Bianca Silver wrote: Alana Packham wrote: CODE are a joke, gang up with a few other local miners, fly a skiff, and start charging THEM for entering a system and they will wet themselves and cry to their mommies all night. I don't even know who my mother is. Why do people always generalize? Those carebears never realize how badly they are hurting people with these posts, do they?
Vapor Ventrillian The Scope Gallente Federation 117	Posted - 2015.01.02 00:22:44 - [84] - Quote I believe it is entirely fair to ask for a permit...to gank Mind=Blown The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
Aleksi Bocharov 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2015.01.02 02:47:17 - [85] - Quote Alana Packham wrote: CODE are a joke, gang up with a few other local miners, fly a skiff, and start charging THEM for entering a system and they will wet themselves and cry to their mommies all night. Actually, if it were me I would just ship into an SFI and do some old school bumping. Oh the rage is glorious when their Skiff goes flying 30km with each gentle nudge.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 175	Posted - 2015.01.02 02:49:55 - [86] - Quote Aleksi Bocharov wrote: Alana Packham wrote: CODE are a joke, gang up with a few other local miners, fly a skiff, and start charging THEM for entering a system and they will wet themselves and cry to their mommies all night. Actually, if it were me I would just ship into an SFI and do some old school bumping. Oh the rage is glorious when their Skiff goes flying 30km with each gentle nudge. Has anyone bumped a barge with a Higgs Anchor Freighter? That'd be pretty funny.
Bing Bangboom DAMAG Safety Commission 324	Posted - 2015.01.02 03:30:53 - [87] - Quote The actual answer is, yes you do. Now the ISD is correct that CCP doesn't require it. The anti-Code posters are also correct, its your choice. You can try the, mostly bad, advice they provide. Of course, they don't provide you with any actual support to allow you to defy CODE., being forum alts, but they make very brave and defiant posts here where they are only ganked by their own rediculousness. But here's the thing. If you choose to mine in a New Order system, those with sec status between .5 and 1.0 without a permit which is only one part of the full New Halaima Code of Conduct (www.minerbumping.com), you are subject to the following: 1) Bumpng 2) Ganking 3) Destruction of your corp or alliance 4) Confiscation of some or all of your ingame assets 5) Public humiliation at your impotent defiance on the www.minerbumping.com blog OR you can make the very wise economic decision to buy a mining permit for 10,000,000 ISK for one full year, good for all of highsec. You still have to follow the rest of the Code of course. Lots of miners and other highsec civilians have made the decision to forgo a permit. Almost 62,000 ships and pods, over 9 trillion ISK of illegal mining and hauling equipment has been the price. Over 1 trillion ISK in December 2014 alone. And yet you have posters here saying CODE. is a joke and that you can easily avoid them. I'm sure the 5122 pilots who died to CODE. in December would like the chance to rethink their decisions. Often the lack of a 10 million ISK permit cost them multiple billions in losses. Heres a way to know who to believe. Go to zkillboard and look at the killboards of the people here giving you advice to defy the New Order. Then look at the killboard for CODE. I'm assuming you are of average or even higher IQ. The answer should be obvious. Contact the Agent who told you that you needed a permit. Send him 10 million ISK and agree to support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec. Go to www.minerbumping.com and read The Code. Follow the VERY good advice you find there and get on with your life in highsec. Or don't buy a permit..... We'll be around directly. Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable Highsec is worth fighting for. By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 557	Posted - 2015.01.02 03:55:59 - [88] - Quote Bianca Silver wrote: Alana Packham wrote: CODE are a joke, gang up with a few other local miners, fly a skiff, and start charging THEM for entering a system and they will wet themselves and cry to their mommies all night. I don't even know who my mother is. Why do people always generalize? It's ok. As long as you know who your friends are, you'll get by. Vote Sabriz!
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 175	Posted - 2015.01.02 04:24:24 - [89] - Quote Zetaomega333 wrote: Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? CODE. is a high-sec ganking alliance. Anything CODE says is Role Play, and shouldn't be taken seriously. So the answer is very simple, and you can absolutely continue solo play. You are not 'fully safe' anywhere, but you can take precautions to ensure that such a thing won't happen so often (if at all). So, add the alliance "CODE." as a contact, and set them to -10.0. When they appear in Local, they'll have a red mark on their portrait, and you'll be able to see it, so you'll know what they're going to do. Dock up preemptively. But the biggest thing you can do is don't be fully AFK. Check your D-Scan every now and then, and browse Local when you feel like it for players with Negative Security Status (positive Security Status players can still gank you, but it's less likely. You always lose Security Status with Highsec ganks). Stay aligned (facing) [insert celestial object here] so you can warp out quickly when you see someone on grid. Getting a Procurer or a Skiff is also a good idea. Do you need a new Barge? It never has mattered what way you are facing as your time to warp is dependant on how long it takes you to get to warp speed and the direction your ship is facing has no impact on that. It will take the same amount of time if you are facing where you are warping or if you are facing the other way. Is that so? Well I never. I've always assumed your ship gains velocity towards the direction you are aligning when you are facing that direction. I've being totally misinterpreting aligning mechanics. Well, that makes my life ALOT easier. I guess now I've got to delete my 200+ Stargate directional bookmarks. But heck, no matter. Thank you greatly, kind sir.
Keno Skir 712	Posted - 2015.01.02 05:43:08 - [90] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Thats the thing. I understand ganking experienced players who know better and know alot about this game but im pretty new. I mean, ive had this account for a few years, but ive only ever played for like 3 months. After they killed my ship, I have nothing.... I have like an ibis 10 jumps away but thats it... I had a mackinaw.... So just use the other cash you had saved to buy another Mack. You weren't flying something you couldn't afford to replace were you? Cus that would be down right stupid wouldn't it? Gùï> 3 Week Buddy Trial + ISK Bonus & Starting Assistance <Gùï Feel free to contact me regarding my posts, or my 21 Day EvE Buddy Trials \o/

Daniel Jackson Liandri Sanctuary Corps Liandri Covenant 175	Posted - 2015.01.02 05:48:11 - [91] - Quote there are many places you can find in highsec to mine, just mine far away from any market hubs or noob starter systems and then you should be fine you do not need any permit what so ever (even if you buy a permit from them they will still blow you up) cause its a scam I Vote YES! for Downloadable HI-RES Textures!!!!
Keno Skir 712	Posted - 2015.01.02 05:55:36 - [92] - Quote Zetaomega333 wrote: It never has mattered what way you are facing as your time to warp is dependant on how long it takes you to get to warp speed and the direction your ship is facing has no impact on that. It will take the same amount of time if you are facing where you are warping or if you are facing the other way. This isn't true at all. Zetaomega333 you should potentially spend more time learning eve and less teaching it at this stage. Being aligned means you are already moving at or above warp speed in the direction of your warp destination. If you are stationary you will take the same time to reach minimum warp speed regardless which way you were originally facing. That said if you are stationary then you are not aligned (see above). If your ship is moving but not in the direction of your required warp alignment this can either mildly or very seriously effect the time it takes you to actually enter warp. If anyone wants to message me i'll teach you a trick to warp your battleship so fast it doesn't have time to turn around and warps off sideways or even backward :D Gùï> 3 Week Buddy Trial + ISK Bonus & Starting Assistance <Gùï Feel free to contact me regarding my posts, or my 21 Day EvE Buddy Trials \o/
Michael Ruckert SECURE TRANSPORTS 253	Posted - 2015.01.02 06:53:00 - [93] - Quote Tanked and rigged Procurers laugh at mining permits. "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 176	Posted - 2015.01.02 07:54:50 - [94] - Quote Keno Skir wrote: Zetaomega333 wrote: It never has mattered what way you are facing as your time to warp is dependant on how long it takes you to get to warp speed and the direction your ship is facing has no impact on that. It will take the same amount of time if you are facing where you are warping or if you are facing the other way. This isn't true at all. Zetaomega333 you should potentially spend more time learning eve and less teaching it at this stage. Being aligned means you are already moving at or above warp speed in the direction of your warp destination. If you are stationary you will take the same time to reach minimum warp speed regardless which way you were originally facing. That said if you are stationary then you are not aligned (see above). If your ship is moving but not in the direction of your required warp alignment this can either mildly or very seriously effect the time it takes you to actually enter warp. You literally repeated what he had just said. I had thought direction affected align time. In my first post I had meant 'stay aligned' as in stay facing the direction of warp-out. Mining while at warp-out speed is rather daft, as you'd overshoot the Asteroids you are mining rather quickly. I appreciate Zetaomega333 telling me this. Keno Skir wrote: If anyone wants to message me i'll teach you a trick to warp your battleship so fast it doesn't have time to turn around and warps off sideways or even backward :D Warping to the centre of a star isn't that new of a concept.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4266	Posted - 2015.01.02 08:18:07 - [95] - Quote OP - A little more advice from a CODE member. We are, as you have perhaps discovered, an extortion racket, as well as a bunch of people that love shooting spaceships. Whether you acquiesce to our demands or not is entirely your choice. If you elect to do so, you will have our word that we won't attack you - you can decide upon the worth of this word yourself. I personally have shot a permit holder exactly once, and that was after establishing that they were almost certainly running a bot. (I also reported them to CCP for doing so and provided extensive evidence, and a few weeks later they posted a thread on this very forum saying 'waa I was accused of botting when I wasn't and got temp banned'). If you elect not to do so - we will, of course, have to shoot your ships some of the times that we see them. If we do not do so, we devalue our permit product. We may not come for you tomorrow, or next week, but we have a pretty wide reach in highsec and can definitely project force elsewhere when we see fit. The gank was nothing personal. In other MMOs, you wouldn't use a potion that cost a third of your total in-game wealth, no matter how good its temporary effects are. In EVE, you shouldn't undock a ship you cannot afford to lose, as your ships are always mere consumables. We just help speed up the consumption process. If you really want to learn how to avoid suicide ganking, by far the best way is to gank for a while. Learn the limitations gankers face, and learn to exploit them. Mining aligned to safespots above and below a belt, for instance, dramatically increases your survivability and only reduces your yield if you stuff it up. If I saw a belt with one miner bouncing between alignment to an above-belt safe and alignment to a below-belt safe, and a second miner orbiting an asteroid, I'd gank the orbiter. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Keno Skir 712	Posted - 2015.01.02 08:59:34 - [96] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: In my first post I had meant 'stay aligned' as in stay facing the direction of warp-out. Mining while at warp-out speed is rather daft, as you'd overshoot the Asteroids you are mining rather quickly. 1. You used the word "Aligned" incorrectly so can't really call me out on this. 2. If mining while Actually Aligned seems daft to you, you aren't smart enough to make your own safe's for when you mine. These safes will allow you to be aligned for warp 98% of the time you're mining, you just need one each end of your usual mining systems. I didn't repeat what he said, i added some information that is actually quite relevant to alignment / warping. Regardless if you know enough to notice it Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Keno Skir wrote: If anyone wants to message me i'll teach you a trick to warp your battleship so fast it doesn't have time to turn around and warps off sideways or even backward :D Warping to the centre of a star isn't that new of a concept. You don't know the trick i'm talking about since you can use it to warp anywhere and it involves no stars, quit trying to "beat" me and falling flat on your face. Gùï> 3 Week Buddy Trial + ISK Bonus & Starting Assistance <Gùï Feel free to contact me regarding my posts, or my 21 Day EvE Buddy Trials \o/
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 177	Posted - 2015.01.02 09:24:34 - [97] - Quote Keno Skir wrote: Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: In my first post I had meant 'stay aligned' as in stay facing the direction of warp-out. Mining while at warp-out speed is rather daft, as you'd overshoot the Asteroids you are mining rather quickly. 1. You used the word "Aligned" incorrectly so can't really call me out on this. 2. If mining while Actually Aligned seems daft to you, you aren't smart enough to make your own safe's for when you mine. These safes will allow you to be aligned for warp 98% of the time you're mining, you just need one each end of your usual mining systems. I didn't repeat what he said, i added some information that is actually quite relevant to alignment / warping. Regardless if you know enough to notice it Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Warping to the centre of a star isn't that new of a concept. You don't know the trick i'm talking about since you can use it to warp anywhere and it involves no stars, quit trying to "beat" me and falling flat on your face. Yeah, I know. I was using the dictionary term, so, apologies. I don't mine for the second point, so, look, I'm not trying to "beat" you at all. I never said that. I had obviously assumed your posting intentions incorrect: Keno Skir wrote: This isn't true at all. Zetaomega333 you should potentially spend more time learning eve and less teaching it at this stage. Because it didn't sound like you were agreeing with him, and you had the same type of information. Quote: Something about Battleships... If you told me the 'trick' I would more than likely know it already. If not, then it probably wouldn't be of any benefit, nor relevant to me. Want to bash me some more? Go ahead.
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 157	Posted - 2015.01.02 10:20:41 - [98] - Quote Bing Bangboom wrote: Now the ISD is correct that CCP doesn't require it. That said the discussion could be over. Bing Bangboom wrote: The anti-Code posters are also correct Of course. Bing Bangboom wrote: You can try the, mostly bad, advice they provide. Of course, they don't provide you with any actual support to allow you to defy CODE., being forum alts, but they make very brave and defiant posts here where they are only ganked by their own rediculousness. "We" are not not stupid or carebears or soemthing codies say we are. Lets quote Confucius: "give a man a fish, you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish, you feed him for life." "We" are miners not defenders and not white knights. (No whiteknights either, its business) However this "bad" choice, are in fact the best choices: - Do not be an easy target. - be watchful of you surroundings. - move you mining ship, standing still makes it easier to jump on you. ganking ships have a short range and gankers have a short time window to act. - get a decent tank that could keep you alive until concord comes. - being in a group reduces the chance that "you" are chosen. - do not talk to codies, since thats where they are "fishing" for emotional reactions, or stories for their ridiculous blog. - join a corps and move to nullsec. (earnings are better) - make them "work" to kill you, codies go for easy weak targets that ignore this tipps. Bing Bangboom wrote: ... 4) Confiscation of some or all of your ingame assets 5) Public humiliation at your impotent defiance on the www.minerbumping.com blog Look at that... Remember: DO NOT TALK TO CODE!! And 4: They cannot to that! Acting like they are something somehow official from CCP is some thing they try from time to time until they get slapped on the fingers by CCP. Follow my tipps and you will be not ganked as my indu-alts where not ganked. Forum Main
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 349	Posted - 2015.01.02 10:46:11 - [99] - Quote La Rynx wrote: And 4: They cannot to that! Acting like they are something somehow official from CCP is some thing they try from time to time until they get slapped on the fingers by CCP. Of course we can demand a permit. The New Order has made a claim on all of highsec and we back up that claim with guns. We are playing Eve like it was designed by CCP. Buy a permit and get compliant with the Code or risk losing your ship, or better yet, come at us with your own guns. It really quite that simple OP. We are the true heroes of Eve for bringing excitement to often-dull highsec. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5586	Posted - 2015.01.02 10:46:58 - [100] - Quote Quanah Comanche wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Foodpimp wrote: Code is basically the Brave Newbies of high sec. "Brave" at what? At shooting AFK (possibly clueless) miners? Really. There is no resemblance......most of CODE are newbs anyhow. New alts, for sure. Real, new players? Have to prove that. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel

Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5587	Posted - 2015.01.02 10:52:57 - [101] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: Yes, I am the proud posessor of a CODE 12 month mining and hauling permit. I may not display it in my bio because that's for normal people to do, plus there's no room. But never the less, I do have one and you can learn more by reading last July's exciting entry in my wormhole diaries. /Shameless plug I had been about to write a snarky comment about somebody actually willing to mine / haul for 12 months to begin with. But then I recalled that for a while I found mining a relaxing post-work low effort activity.... but then... when CODE came to "my" system I hired people to kill them. That's what racketeers get from me: a missile up their butt. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 349	Posted - 2015.01.02 11:09:04 - [102] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: I had been about to write a snarky comment about somebody actually willing to mine / haul for 12 months to begin with. But then I recalled that for a while I found mining a relaxing post-work low effort activity.... but then... when CODE came to "my" system I hired people to kill them. That's what racketeers get from me: a missile up their butt. You see? The Code always wins! We have been bringing quality emergent content to highsec for over two years, spicing up gameplay there for everyone. Fighting us is one option, and is totally a valid one. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 158	Posted - 2015.01.02 11:20:52 - [103] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: La Rynx wrote: And 4: They cannot to that! Acting like they are something somehow official from CCP is some thing they try from time to time until they get slapped on the fingers by CCP. Of course we can demand a permit. The New Order has made a claim on all of highsec and we back up that claim with guns. And you get answered by Concorde. Black Pedro wrote: Buy a permit and get compliant with the Code or risk losing your ship You sound like a door-to-door salesman in a wheelchair. This is EvE, there is always a chance to lose the ship. A permit is good only for codies making fun of permit buyers. Black Pedro wrote: , or better yet, come at us with your own guns. It really quite that simple OP. Or use the antigank tips. Or hire some mercs. Or other stuff. Just do not submit to Jerks. Black Pedro wrote: We are the true heroes of Eve for bringing excitement to often-dull highsec. No you are not heroes. You feed on the weak. You try to missinform them to keep you easy victims. You do everything for yourself and not for the sake of EvE. Forum Main
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji. 1859	Posted - 2015.01.02 11:25:25 - [104] - Quote (Eating popcorn and wondering when the troll feeding will stop. Maybe when I run out of popcorn?)
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 158	Posted - 2015.01.02 11:46:41 - [105] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: La Rynx wrote: And 4: They cannot to that! Acting like they are something somehow official from CCP is some thing they try from time to time until they get slapped on the fingers by CCP. Of course we can demand a permit. The New Order has made a claim on all of highsec and we back up that claim with guns. Guns? Firepower? Again AT 2014: One claim was that code was busy enforcing code... On the other hand loyalanon committed, that he had not 12 capable and willing pilots for the AT. Even the Joke of a catalyst run was them denied. CODE=300 alts but less than 100 players. Supporters do not count. No, you do not have enough guns or firepower. But you DO have a lot of alts. No much use after the last multibox changes. Black Pedro wrote: We are playing Eve like it was designed by CCP. You d-ck around hisec and blame and anoy other players doing the same. :P Forum Main
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 179	Posted - 2015.01.02 11:55:50 - [106] - Quote La Rynx wrote: Blah La Rynx, you are becoming a victim of your own suggestion. "Do not talk to them" I thought, you said. You are aware that their posts are to evoke that kind of reaction, so whatever is the reason this bothers you so?
Dominique Vasilkovsky BFG Tech 115	Posted - 2015.01.02 12:31:30 - [107] - Quote So how much is one of these permits anyways? Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard Once known as: Mashie Saldana sold - Anastasia Rigel sold - Monica Foulkes sold
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5590	Posted - 2015.01.02 12:39:53 - [108] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: I had been about to write a snarky comment about somebody actually willing to mine / haul for 12 months to begin with. But then I recalled that for a while I found mining a relaxing post-work low effort activity.... but then... when CODE came to "my" system I hired people to kill them. That's what racketeers get from me: a missile up their butt. You see? The Code always wins! We have been bringing quality emergent content to highsec for over two years, spicing up gameplay there for everyone. Fighting us is one option, and is totally a valid one. Imo, since it is so popular, your group has a chance to educate the new players. Think about this: the average guy comes from one of any sweetheart MMOs out there where the worst they ever experience is when somebody "steals" their mobs / NPCs. They also come with the idea that the MMO developers HAVE to code in some certain "path to level up" and "end game". EvE is not any of that. In EvE you, me and also the miners ARE and create the content themselves. That's what sets EvE apart, it can't get old as long as people "interact" in a more or less explosion happy way. Of course I don't agree on racketeers so I'll hire an high sec merc corp to deal with them but that's fair and square content creation on our behalf. Those who come on the forum to ask how to avoid interactions, how to "solo in peace" etc. etc. are actually doing EvE a disservice, because EvE is based exactly on interactions. Of course the above is different than asking for advice about how to become a less desired target (which implies the guy is willing to challenge or at least "be present" on the scene), I find this to be OK enough. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 180	Posted - 2015.01.02 12:40:39 - [109] - Quote Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote: So how much is one of these permits anyways? 10 million ISK. 310 million if you're a Freighter. Probably about 10 billion ISK if you actually want them to honour it. Or you could just kill them. Y' know, with a Catalyst. A eye for an eye makes the whole world prosperous. Wasn't that how it goes?
Lin Suizei 224	Posted - 2015.01.02 13:04:06 - [110] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Or you could just kill them. Y' know, with a Catalyst. A eye for an eye makes the whole world prosperous. Wasn't that how it goes? Truly, this is the best option, embracing both the letter and spirit of the Code in bringing emergent gameplay to New Eden - though you'd perhaps be surprised how difficult it is to get a carebear to actually fight back. Hell, you could give them a free combat ship and they probably wouldn't get in, citing "principle" or something. Lol I can't delete my forum sig.

Dominique Vasilkovsky BFG Tech 115	Posted - 2015.01.02 13:14:23 - [111] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote: So how much is one of these permits anyways? 10 million ISK. 310 million if you're a Freighter. Probably about 10 billion ISK if you actually want them to honour it. Or you could just kill them. Y' know, with a Catalyst. A eye for an eye makes the whole world prosperous. Wasn't that how it goes? Thanks, that is a nice little money maker for them if people actually pay. After nearly 9 years of playing I have yet to be suicide ganked. Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard Once known as: Mashie Saldana sold - Anastasia Rigel sold - Monica Foulkes sold
Velicitia XS Tech 2672	Posted - 2015.01.02 13:16:51 - [112] - Quote Ptraci wrote: (Eating popcorn and wondering when the troll feeding will stop. Maybe when I run out of popcorn?) brings a (CODE. - approved) shipment of popcorn, and T2 tear buckets. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 158	Posted - 2015.01.02 13:37:34 - [113] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: La Rynx wrote: Blah Blubb? So i need to point out that i meant "ingame"? OK: I meant ingame, what else... getting cookies and coffee. Forum Main
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 1989	Posted - 2015.01.02 14:04:11 - [114] - Quote Hello there, sexy.... Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 352	Posted - 2015.01.02 14:57:29 - [115] - Quote La Rynx wrote: You sound like a door-to-door salesman in a wheelchair. This is EvE, there is always a chance to lose the ship. A permit is good only for codies making fun of permit buyers. A wheelchair? Anyways, a permit is only 10M ISK and is good for a whole year. For that price, it would be silly not to by the permit - almost 10 trillion ISK has been destroyed by the CODE. alliance alone, much of which would have been spared if pilots just paid the pittance for a permit which even a highsec miner can earn in an hour or two. Even if you think it is unlikely we will find you, it just makes economic sense for that extra bit of safety while operating in our territory. La Rynx wrote: Guns? Firepower? Again AT 2014: One claim was that code was busy enforcing code... On the other hand loyalanon committed, that he had not 12 capable and willing pilots for the AT. Even the Joke of a catalyst run was them denied. CODE=300 alts but less than 100 players. Supporters do not count. No, you do not have enough guns or firepower. But you DO have a lot of alts. No much use after the last multibox changes. What are you going on about? The CODE. alliance won the tournament before it even started, and then made history by going undefeated. Ask a hundred highsec miners if they remember who CCP declared the winner and I bet you will not get even one correct answer. In fact, more will probably answer Code than anything else. This is more proof that emergent content and our brand of elite PvP trumps inconsequential structured "PvP" in this beautiful sandbox that is Eve. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12421	Posted - 2015.01.02 15:02:20 - [116] - Quote La Rynx... how about you stfu already instead of enabling idiots? Because that's what you do. All day, every day. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Aischa Montagne Blut-Klauen-Clan 7	Posted - 2015.01.02 15:14:31 - [117] - Quote currently the best way to counter ganking efficently is to be somewhere else as a solo Miner. Eden is big enough to find a system where gankers usually do not show up. Ganking looks for 2 factors in general: a) targets b) time to take those targets down. If you are in a 0.5 System with lots of miners you will likely get ganking attention. In a 0.8 or 0.9 System with 5 - 10 Miners gankers are less likely to show up. The Security rating in a system tells you something about how long Concord needs to jump into the system and destroy the ganking ship. The amount of miners show you how much fun there is. You can be ganked in all system, it is a question of firepower the gankers bring with em. BTW I am not sure about 1.0 System, it maybe that this system because they are starting systems, ganking maybe sanctioned by higher authorities. As a beginner I would try a petition in this systems. (I think it is fruitless elsewere) Beware that not all Gankers are part of CODE. There are some not flying the ganking color right away. I recommend to start chatting with other miners in the system. They can share the information who to look out for. "Solo" ganking always consist of a pair of 2 ships. 1 for Ganking and 1 for scouting & looting. Knowing the scout can also be a good preparation. Be carefull with Combat Drones. They can be used to lure you in a attack position. I am unsure if this ganking tactics is prohibited or not. The Operative loss and the trouble is yours to start with. If you are a good skilled Drone pilot 2 combat Drones are usually enough for High sec Pirates. You may want to deploy the others 3 as defensive (repair drones) or E-War drones depending of your style of operations. Defensive drones can help to enhance your defensiv capabilities further in a mining fleet. E-War Drones can cause the ganker to loose target, which is imho most efficent tactics to survive in a direct confrontation. Time is always on your side, and the Drone Damage does not matter imho you will not be faster then concord. Win time until the Caverally shows up. Skilling is one of the most important things when you get into a confrontation. Especially with gankers. Since as pointed out the defensive Attributes are most important, you should look up following certificates and keep those in shape. (you find them by clicking on your portrait in the menubar and select the Skills folder + Certificates tab) engeneering -> core Spaceship Operation Shields -> Shield tanking Shields -> reinforcment Armor -> armor tanking Armor -> reinforcement I hope this thoughts helps miners to make it more chellangeing for gankers. Please consider the other advices too. The fitting posted earlier is nice, however you need the skills for it. And you need to understand how the fitting is working. Why it is working. I had a lot of fitting discusions, and the most annoying ones were those in which people throw fittings around them without understanding what the fitting was doing and why it is better then another fitting. Even if the ones shown were apropriate, the discussion was fruitless since they could not argue on another fittings performance compared to theirs. fly save Aischa Montagne Note: sorry for the spelling mistakes.
ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2030	Posted - 2015.01.02 15:19:35 - [118] - Quote There is some spectacularly bad posting here. Thread locked for cleanup. ISD LackOfFaith Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.
Equinnox Dethahal Black Anvil Industries SpaceMonkey's Alliance 20	Posted - 2015.01.02 16:15:37 - [119] - Quote Look the best way to avoid bottom feeders is to not hang out on the bottom. That might mean taking your mining operations into a corporation with their own space. As someone who spent a good month high sec mining (im a new player) and now mining in nullsec....its a big mindset difference. In high sec there are so many random people everywhere its hard to know, even with setting corps -10.00, who you need to avoid, without learning the hard way over and over. Its easy to glaze over, ignore whos in local (too many to track tbh) and not have a good escape plan or escape fit because, well high sec, your automatically off guard. In null (and im sure low) sec, you can pretty much assume that non friendly locals are there to gank you, and its easier to take precaution until you get someone to get a visual on the non friendly. You are in the mind set that ganks are coming with the territory and are fit for it, with an escape route, and its FAR easier to monitor local chat for gankers. Sure youll have to deal with sparse markets not being in a high sec trade hub, and hauling through really dangerous space if you want to sell there.... If you want to mine in high sec, what I did, and it did work, was I went away from the main trade hub about 9 jumps away, and tried to find a 0.7 (i wanted to not be on the edge of low sec but far enough from 1.0 to avoid the crowds) system that was a dead end (less people passing by traveling) and loaded my ore into the station there, while mining I was able to recognize the few regulars who mined there as well. Then I just dealt with the 9 jump trip to the trade hub to dump. Basically don't be afraid to check out a lot of high sec systems, even if they are in another races territory, find one with a lot of belts (harder for a ganker to do a quick check when there are 15 belts vs 4, sometimes gankers will just check on their way passing through), between the uber high traffic of 1.0 and the low sec border, preferably in a system that's a dead end, and set up shop there for a while. That or get into a low/null sec corp/alliance and at least when you get ganked it wont be by the bottom feeders of eve.
Saai Einjhar Black Ice Tactical Echelon 0	Posted - 2015.01.02 16:36:14 - [120] - Quote The best advice I was ever given about EVE was "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose". I haven't always lived by that, but I certainly strive to. Good luck getting back on your spacefeet.

Aleksi Bocharov 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2015.01.02 16:40:54 - [121] - Quote People talk tough on the forums about hiring mercs, "killing" CODE's Catalysts (lol?) and all this defiant stuff... In game they do none of this and their mining barges explode just the same as everyone elses.
Equinnox Dethahal Black Anvil Industries SpaceMonkey's Alliance 20	Posted - 2015.01.02 16:42:12 - [122] - Quote Saai Einjhar wrote: The best advice I was ever given about EVE was "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose". I haven't always lived by that, but I certainly strive to. Good luck getting back on your spacefeet. I think its more about corporations dedicated to killing high sec miners than one of those "I cant afford to lose it" complaints. Hes getting picked on by high sec bottom feeders basically. High sec is huge, there are many systems not on the beaten path, I suggest finding those systems (more than one) and setting up shop in a few of them (jump clone a few) OR Moving into a low/null sec corp and losing ships to people less bottom of the barrel.
admiral root Red Galaxy 2083	Posted - 2015.01.02 17:22:54 - [123] - Quote Equinnox Dethahal wrote: Look the best way to avoid bottom feeders is to not hang out on the bottom. Name-calling from SMA. LOL. Equinnox Dethahal wrote: In null (and im sure low) sec, you can pretty much assume that non friendly locals are there to gank you, and its easier to take precaution until you get someone to get a visual on the non friendly. You are in the mind set that ganks are coming with the territory and are fit for it, with an escape route, and its FAR easier to monitor local chat for gankers. I assume every single Eve player is out to get me, regardless of the sec status of whatever system I'm currently in. Because of this I generally don't get asploded, though I'm prone to the occasional bout of dumb, which usually leads to a dead orca. That's ok, though, because orcas must die. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Talon SilverHawk Ronin Cartel Just The Tip.. 723	Posted - 2015.01.02 17:28:11 - [124] - Quote Bing Bangboom wrote: The actual answer is, yes you do. Now the ISD is correct that CCP doesn't require it. The anti-Code posters are also correct, its your choice. You can try the, mostly bad, advice they provide. Of course, they don't provide you with any actual support to allow you to defy CODE., being forum alts, but they make very brave and defiant posts here where they are only ganked by their own rediculousness. But here's the thing. If you choose to mine in a New Order system, those with sec status between .5 and 1.0 without a permit which is only one part of the full New Halaima Code of Conduct (www.minerbumping.com), you are subject to the following: 1) Bumpng 2) Ganking 3) Destruction of your corp or alliance 4) Confiscation of some or all of your ingame assets 5) Public humiliation at your impotent defiance on the www.minerbumping.com blog OR you can make the very wise economic decision to buy a mining permit for 10,000,000 ISK for one full year, good for all of highsec. You still have to follow the rest of the Code of course. Lots of miners and other highsec civilians have made the decision to forgo a permit. Almost 62,000 ships and pods, over 9 trillion ISK of illegal mining and hauling equipment has been the price. Over 1 trillion ISK in December 2014 alone. And yet you have posters here saying CODE. is a joke and that you can easily avoid them. I'm sure the 5122 pilots who died to CODE. in December would like the chance to rethink their decisions. Often the lack of a 10 million ISK permit cost them multiple billions in losses. Heres a way to know who to believe. Go to zkillboard and look at the killboards of the people here giving you advice to defy the New Order. Then look at the killboard for CODE. I'm assuming you are of average or even higher IQ. The answer should be obvious. Contact the Agent who told you that you needed a permit. Send him 10 million ISK and agree to support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec. Go to www.minerbumping.com and read The Code. Follow the VERY good advice you find there and get on with your life in highsec. Or don't buy a permit..... We'll be around directly. Bing Bangboom Agent of the New Order of Highsec Belligerent Undesirable I'm not an Alt and no you don't, ignore this propaganda most do..... : ) Tal
Xerxes Fehrnah Jack Daniel's Old No. 7 11	Posted - 2015.01.02 17:46:09 - [125] - Quote Learn.
Asura Vajrarupa Anarchist Industrial Syndicate of Metropolis 17	Posted - 2015.01.02 17:49:32 - [126] - Quote They are a group that suicide ganks miners and they try to use this fact to extort money. You don't need a permit, you do need to calculate a loss buffer into your expenses and tank your ****. Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9285	Posted - 2015.01.02 17:51:36 - [127] - Quote admiral root wrote: I assume every single Eve player is out to get me, regardless of the sec status of whatever system I'm currently in. Because of this I generally don't get asploded, though I'm prone to the occasional bout of dumb, which usually leads to a dead orca. That's ok, though, because orcas must die. This is the difference between good EVE players and Bad. Good players assume the worst and when that doesn't happen they are pleasantly surprised. I've heard people say the same thing the SMA guy said (ie "high sec is hard because you can't just look at local and tell who is a threat) and I find that way of thinking insane. If you are being smart and careful and are not war-decced you don't even need to have local up. I don't at all when I incursion. ALL you have to do is be sure your ship isn't a juicy target and (or) has enoguh EHP to survive in the system you are in till CONCORD arrives. That's it. 7 years missioning, flying pirate faction battleships in those missions, flying 5 bil isk Vindicators in ISN and TVP (among others) incursion fleets and not a single successful gank (and only a handful of attempts against me). And yet every time i turn around some miner or other is whining, even after CCP handed them better tanked mining ships. Not being able to make yourself almost 100% safe in high sec is like saying "I can't get laid in a brothel despite the fact that I'm carrying 1 million bucks in cash in a suit case" lol
Ryuu Towryk Perkone Caldari State 38	Posted - 2015.01.02 17:52:34 - [128] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: La Rynx wrote: You sound like a door-to-door salesman in a wheelchair. This is EvE, there is always a chance to lose the ship. A permit is good only for codies making fun of permit buyers. A wheelchair? Anyways, a permit is only 10M ISK and is good for a whole year. For that price, it would be silly not to by the permit - almost 10 trillion ISK has been destroyed by the CODE. alliance alone, much of which would have been spared if pilots just paid the pittance for a permit which even a highsec miner can earn in an hour or two. Even if you think it is unlikely we will find you, it just makes economic sense for that extra bit of safety while operating in our territory. La Rynx wrote: Guns? Firepower? Again AT 2014: One claim was that code was busy enforcing code... On the other hand loyalanon committed, that he had not 12 capable and willing pilots for the AT. Even the Joke of a catalyst run was them denied. CODE=300 alts but less than 100 players. Supporters do not count. No, you do not have enough guns or firepower. But you DO have a lot of alts. No much use after the last multibox changes. What are you going on about? The CODE. alliance won the tournament before it even started, and then made history by going undefeated. Ask a hundred highsec miners if they remember who CCP declared the winner and I bet you will not get even one correct answer. In fact, more will probably answer Code than anything else. This is more proof that emergent content and our brand of elite PvP trumps inconsequential structured "PvP" in this beautiful sandbox that is Eve. You guys amuse the hell out of me.
Equinnox Dethahal Black Anvil Industries SpaceMonkey's Alliance 22	Posted - 2015.01.02 18:24:04 - [129] - Quote admiral root wrote: Equinnox Dethahal wrote: Look the best way to avoid bottom feeders is to not hang out on the bottom. Name-calling from SMA. LOL. Equinnox Dethahal wrote: In null (and im sure low) sec, you can pretty much assume that non friendly locals are there to gank you, and its easier to take precaution until you get someone to get a visual on the non friendly. You are in the mind set that ganks are coming with the territory and are fit for it, with an escape route, and its FAR easier to monitor local chat for gankers. I assume every single Eve player is out to get me, regardless of the sec status of whatever system I'm currently in. Because of this I generally don't get asploded, though I'm prone to the occasional bout of dumb, which usually leads to a dead orca. That's ok, though, because orcas must die. Im not sure that SMA has declared war on all high sec miners, and I know we don't avoid setting foot in null sec. You might not like SMA because it looks cool or because you are in an enemy alliance, but comparing SMA to CODE is kind of silly. Not saying people in SMA don't gank in high sec, but our sole purpose isn't to feed on new players mining in high sec. For what its worth, we live in places where you can come kill us without concord to save us, we have assets you could, if you wanted to, destroy, and we do fight back. you can LOL all you want but this is about CODE and other bottom feeders who wont set foot in a dangerous system let along flap their assets out in null.
admiral root Red Galaxy 2084	Posted - 2015.01.02 19:00:02 - [130] - Quote Congratulations on completely failing to comprehend my post. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM

Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 145	Posted - 2015.01.02 19:20:03 - [131] - Quote ISD LackOfFaith wrote: your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries Stolen for use in my sig. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5594	Posted - 2015.01.02 19:23:17 - [132] - Quote Aleksi Bocharov wrote: People talk tough on the forums about hiring mercs, "killing" CODE's Catalysts (lol?) and all this defiant stuff... In game they do none of this and their mining barges explode just the same as everyone elses. Generalizing FTL. As you might check on years and years of my posting and EvE blog, I am fairly "big" with Nitrogen Isotopes. Trading and (in the past) mining freighters a week of that. Do you actually believe I could have kept my operation running for years without attracting attention, wardecs, CODE, Gankageddons etc. etc., in some of the most trafficked, rare ice systems in Caldari space? You might wonder why I'd just not pay CODE, then. First of all they are hardly the only "actors" on the scene, so what's the point getting a "permit" if the remaining 80% of gank corps keep doing their business? Second, my home country had (and still has, in some areas) some omni-present, heavy IRL racketing and I hated that. Outside of EvE, racketing is not funny stuff, they shoot your relatives and burn your home / shot / factory if you don't toss loads of money to their sharks. Hence I made a point to never, ever submit to racketeers, even if this is "just" a game. I prefer paying 500M a week to an high sec corp - out of my OWN decision - than 10M a year to racketeers. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 14415	Posted - 2015.01.02 19:26:05 - [133] - Quote Cant wait for the thread on the new style of ganking. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5998	Posted - 2015.01.02 19:30:36 - [134] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? Oh c'mon now. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Bing Bangboom DAMAG Safety Commission 333	Posted - 2015.01.02 20:11:25 - [135] - Quote La Rynx wrote: ... 4) Confiscation of some or all of your ingame assets 5) Public humiliation at your impotent defiance on the www.minerbumping.com blog Look at that... Remember: DO NOT TALK TO CODE!! codies will save you reactions as tears and will humiliate anyway on their blogs even if you buy a permit. any gr will be considered tears and codies f-pp over that. If you get to upset, your reaction will be send to CCP as RL threat. And 4: They cannot to that! Acting like they are something somehow official from CCP is some thing they try from time to time until they get slapped on the fingers by CCP. Yes, we can do that. Besides the constant confiscation of illegal mining and hauling equipment, I myself have confiscated three POSes belonging to non-compliant carebear alliances and the contents within. Sold off everything and used the proceeds to buy shares in the New Order. The ISK raised by selling shares is used to provide more ganking ships and equipment. Plus the story of the POS takedowns appeared in the Forum section of www.minerbumping.com (see "Cry Havoc and let slip the dogs of war" and "Inferno") so you don't have to talk to us to fulfill terrible consequence 5. Outside of my activities look at the killboard of PV Rock who specializes in curing highsec dwellers of AFK piloting and the recent minerbumping story of the confiscation of an entire rebel alliance (Ocean's Zero, part 1 though 23 or something). Unlike James 315, the Savior of Highsec, who is really trying to help the highsec miners leave behind their sad, pointless existences, I have to admit to be somewhat ambiguous about the carebears initial decision. If they buy a permit I always honor it as long as the miner remains true to their word to obey the Code but if they choose not to I happily blast them into space dust and prompt them again to get right with the New Order. I am willing to do this as many times as it takes and don't consider it a bother at all. On occasion I've been acused of actually liking it.... Because this is how we see it. The New Order of Highsec exists to drive the bots and bot aspirants out of highsec. We do this by enforcing the Code. The permit allows us to easily identify those who support us (who have permits) and those who support the bots and bot aspirants (those without). When I encounter a miner without a permit I KNOW right there he is an opponent of the New Order. If I mercifully give him the opportunity to buy a permit and he declines he confirms his support of the bot aspirants. Either way, he must be opposed. See my earlier post for how we do it. The actual question asked by the OP was "Am I really not safe mining anywhere?" The answer is, of course, yes, you are not safe mining anywhere. Or missioning. Or hauling. Or just sitting outside of station. That is a fundamental truism of this game. Buying a permit makes you a bit safer from the most organized, efficient and motivated group of highsec pvpers but nowhere near "safe". I am always amused by the people who show you how to select your ship, tank it properly, utilize the tools you are provided for situational awareness and even tell you who to play with that then tell you not to buy a permit and follow the Code. Its like sending a football player out in full pads except his helmet. As we always say, "Permit tank, best tank". This is getting Jamesian in length so I will wrap things up by complimenting the same posters I have been critical of by saying they, at least, haven't called for the declaring of bumping or ganking to be some sort of exploit that needs to be "fixed" by CCP. Couple of them have come dangerously close to calling us "griefers" but most have at least given you advice that, combined with a permit, would help you survive somewhat better in this dangerous universe you've chosen to inhabit. Both sides of this argument actually want to help you. They want to help you mine better (blech). We want to get you into a ship where, when you pull the trigger, its another player who blows up, not just a rock. Believe me when I tell you, your future enjoyment of this game greatly depends on which of us you listen to. BBB Highsec is worth fighting for. By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 163	Posted - 2015.01.02 20:18:25 - [136] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Even if you think it is unlikely we will find you, it just makes economic sense for that extra bit of safety while operating in our territory. You do not roam nullsec. And as for finding someone, one just uses an localisationagent... Maybe your usual "customers" the newbs might not know... I do never give money to jerks, not 10mil nor 0.10 isk Moreso, there is not code territory! I have been minig with codies in system. Or in systems with code presence like Uedama. They where not the smartest and brightest, i had my laughs with them. No reason to give isk to you. Additionaly i would have to put some silly stuff into my bio. Nope, no chance. Black Pedro wrote: What are you going on about? The CODE. alliance ...-> Grimms' Fairy Tales yawn a clock ticks code wins. At the AT code "won" a permaban. To believe this nonsense to be a win, one needs to be a hardcore codie, deep in roleplay, heavy denial completly nmb in the brain. Stuff and stories like this are the reason why codies are not percieved as "villains" but as jerks! Black Pedro wrote: This is more proof that emergent content and our brand of elite PvP trumps inconsequential structured "PvP" in this beautiful sandbox that is Eve. Fairy tails proof nothing, they are stories you tell your children. Forum Main
Kaely Tanniss Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 152	Posted - 2015.01.02 21:54:18 - [137] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Kaely Tanniss wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? The biggest problem with your statement is "how i should continue my solo mining career." Eve is not a solo game. It's a highly social MMO. With that being said, you are always in danger at anything you do in Eve. I suggest you make some friends, pay attention to local and who lands on grid with you..and use d-scan. If you don't know what these things are or how to use them, that's exactly why Eve isn't a solo game. You need some friendly guidance and advice..but be careful, there are those who give bad advice to new players (assuming you are new). I truly believe that the people who give bad advice are also those that would suggest that you cannot play the game solo. However. You seem to have misinterpreted what he meant. When he says 'solo mining career' he means to mine by himself, and not in a mining fleet or with player corp mates. He has supposedly played for a time-span of under 4 months, so I would assume that he thinks that a player corp is safer/more profitable/better in every other way. A long time ago I used to think the same thing. Friends are fine. Game mechanics are fine. Third-party tools are fine too. You can play the game in any which way and you'll still succeed no less. I suppose that's a matter of opinion...and you are entitled to yours...though I would suggest a single player game for those that want to "play by themselves". There's nothing wrong with mining alone..or doing some PvP solo..but in the long run, if you do not have any kind of social or meaningful interaction with other players, it is only going to hurt your Eve experience. After all, one can't do everything alone in Eve...but that's just my opinion. If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
Johan Civire The Lyran Empire 904	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:01:18 - [138] - Quote Ow i can mine where i want to. Never get my ass get ganked. Only the first 3 times in low sec. Flying some pve missions never know what a gate camp was or how to avoided that. Some great tips from veterans helps allot. Like "Ferni Ka`Nviiou" says is spot on. Eve is sandbox its means you can do really everything you want to. There is no law in eve.
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 53157	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:24:20 - [139] - Quote Bing Bangboom wrote: La Rynx wrote: ... 4) Confiscation of some or all of your ingame assets 5) Public humiliation at your impotent defiance on the www.minerbumping.com blog Look at that... Remember: DO NOT TALK TO CODE!! codies will save you reactions as tears and will humiliate anyway on their blogs even if you buy a permit. any gr will be considered tears and codies f-pp over that. If you get to upset, your reaction will be send to CCP as RL threat. And 4: They cannot to that! Acting like they are something somehow official from CCP is some thing they try from time to time until they get slapped on the fingers by CCP. Yes, we can do that. Besides the constant confiscation of illegal mining and hauling equipment, I myself have confiscated three POSes belonging to non-compliant carebear alliances and the contents within. Sold off everything and used the proceeds to buy shares in the New Order. The ISK raised by selling shares is used to provide more ganking ships and equipment. Plus the story of the POS takedowns appeared in the Forum section of www.minerbumping.com (see "Cry Havoc and let slip the dogs of war" and "Inferno") so you don't have to talk to us to fulfill terrible consequence 5. Outside of my activities look at the killboard of PV Rock who specializes in curing highsec dwellers of AFK piloting and the recent minerbumping story of the confiscation of an entire rebel alliance (Ocean's Zero, part 1 though 23 or something). Unlike James 315, the Savior of Highsec, who is really trying to help the highsec miners leave behind their sad, pointless existences, I have to admit to be somewhat ambiguous about the carebears initial decision. If they buy a permit I always honor it as long as the miner remains true to their word to obey the Code but if they choose not to I happily blast them into space dust and prompt them again to get right with the New Order. I am willing to do this as many times as it takes and don't consider it a bother at all. On occasion I've been acused of actually liking it.... Because this is how we see it. The New Order of Highsec exists to drive the bots and bot aspirants out of highsec. We do this by enforcing the Code. The permit allows us to easily identify those who support us (who have permits) and those who support the bots and bot aspirants (those without). When I encounter a miner without a permit I KNOW right there he is an opponent of the New Order. If I mercifully give him the opportunity to buy a permit and he declines he confirms his support of the bot aspirants. Either way, he must be opposed. See my earlier post for how we do it. The actual question asked by the OP was "Am I really not safe mining anywhere?" The answer is, of course, yes, you are not safe mining anywhere. Or missioning. Or hauling. Or just sitting outside of station. That is a fundamental truism of this game. Buying a permit makes you a bit safer from the most organized, efficient and motivated group of highsec pvpers but nowhere near "safe". I am always amused by the people who show you how to select your ship, tank it properly, utilize the tools you are provided for situational awareness and even tell you who to play with that then tell you not to buy a permit and follow the Code. Its like sending a football player out in full pads except his helmet. As we always say, "Permit tank, best tank". This is getting Jamesian in length so I will wrap things up by complimenting the same posters I have been critical of by saying they, at least, haven't called for the declaring of bumping or ganking to be some sort of exploit that needs to be "fixed" by CCP. Couple of them have come dangerously close to calling us "griefers" but most have at least given you advice that, combined with a permit, would help you survive somewhat better in this dangerous universe you've chosen to inhabit. Both sides of this argument actually want to help you. They want to help you mine better (blech). We want to get you into a ship where, when you pull the trigger, its another player who blows up, not just a rock. Believe me when I tell you, your future enjoyment of this game greatly depends on which of us you listen to. BBB Phew..this thread is kind of getting long, isn't it? To accelerate things a little and put the whole topic to an end, I just transferred you 20 million ISK- 10 for a mining permit for OP, and another 10 to buy him 10 CODE shares, maybe the start of an ever growing portfolio. I know you are not the guy who sells the shares, but you seem legit enough that I fully trust you to use the money for its intended purpose. So, since the issue is now resolved, can we close this thread now? I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12459	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:27:48 - [140] - Quote YOUR PARENTS HAD SEX BEFORE YOU EVEN WERE BORN! Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!

Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4272	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:32:34 - [141] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Second, my home country had (and still has, in some areas) some omni-present, heavy IRL racketing and I hated that. Outside of EvE, racketing is not funny stuff, they shoot your relatives and burn your home / shop / factory if you don't toss loads of money to their sharks. Hence I made a point to never, ever submit to racketeers, even if this is "just" a game. I prefer paying 500M a week to an high sec corp - out of my OWN decision - than 10M a year to racketeers. I agree that outside of EVE protection rackets are heinous entities. But you know what else is heinous IRL? Massacring conscripts without allowing them to surrender, which is exactly what mission runners do every day of the week. Those Serpentis battleships you blow up for a 400k bounty have 4-6 thousand people on them, a good number of them unwilling. RL morality matters because out of game, the consequences of ruthlessly competitive behaviour are serious. In game, all that people lose are consumable space pixels. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12459	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:37:01 - [142] - Quote Please note that the above person believes that babies cry for no good reason. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 1106	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:38:40 - [143] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? New Order is an affable lot of role players. You could choose to resist their petty tyranny or enjoy their endless entertainment. There are several ways to do this. 1) Just sit in local and listen to their endless babble. Some really take to their roleplaying with conviction and it is great fun trying to pull them out of character. 2) Spend time bumping them. They absolutely hate being chased around and bumped. 3) The gank usually consists of one Catalyst. If you surmise this situation antagonize them While mining in an extremely tanky miner. Hilarity ensues when they get Concorded and you boat back for repairs. Don't look for CCP for assistance. They changed their definition of griefing to allow this sort of behavior, it is classified as emergent, not griefing or bullying. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12459	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:40:34 - [144] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? New Order is an affable lot of role players. You could choose to resist their petty tyranny or enjoy their endless entertainment. There are several ways to do this. 1) Just sit in local and listen to their endless babble. Some really take to their roleplaying with conviction and it is great fun trying to pull them out of character. 2) Spend time bumping them. They absolutely hate being chased around and bumped. 3) The gank usually consists of one Catalyst. If you surmise this situation antagonize them While mining in an extremely tanky miner. Hilarity ensues when they get Concorded and you boat back for repairs. Don't look for CCP for assistance. They changed their definition of griefing to allow this sort of behavior, it is classified as emergent, not griefing or bullying. No they didn't. You're a liar. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Alex Grison Grison Industrial Group 896	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:43:23 - [145] - Quote Cyndrogen wrote: 1. Stop mining 2. Run mission Eve is a military economy, think about it. 3. Stop run mission 4. Start running down the reality duct. When you reach the Pillars of the Podoemoreal you know that you have gone too far. If you see the Pillars of the Podomorial at any point in time. Turn back, continue in your new direction until you have passed 3 vents. Enter the 4th vent. yes
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 53157	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:46:18 - [146] - Quote Alex Grison wrote: Cyndrogen wrote: 1. Stop mining 2. Run mission Eve is a military economy, think about it. 3. Stop run mission 4. Start running down the reality duct. When you reach the Pillars of the Podoemoreal you know that you have gone too far. If you see the Pillars of the Podomorial at any point in time. Turn back, continue in your new direction until you have passed 3 vents. Enter the 4th vent. glomps Alex Grison You should post more often, really- the forums need you.. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12460	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:48:18 - [147] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Alex Grison wrote: Cyndrogen wrote: 1. Stop mining 2. Run mission Eve is a military economy, think about it. 3. Stop run mission 4. Start running down the reality duct. When you reach the Pillars of the Podoemoreal you know that you have gone too far. If you see the Pillars of the Podomorial at any point in time. Turn back, continue in your new direction until you have passed 3 vents. Enter the 4th vent. glomps Alex Grison You should post more often, really- the forums need you.. You know what else the forums need, Zimmy? Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 1106	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:49:01 - [148] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Nexus Day wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? New Order is an affable lot of role players. You could choose to resist their petty tyranny or enjoy their endless entertainment. There are several ways to do this. 1) Just sit in local and listen to their endless babble. Some really take to their roleplaying with conviction and it is great fun trying to pull them out of character. 2) Spend time bumping them. They absolutely hate being chased around and bumped. 3) The gank usually consists of one Catalyst. If you surmise this situation antagonize them While mining in an extremely tanky miner. Hilarity ensues when they get Concorded and you boat back for repairs. Don't look for CCP for assistance. They changed their definition of griefing to allow this sort of behavior, it is classified as emergent, not griefing or bullying. No they didn't. You're a liar. Oh yes they did. I know this because I informed them at the time that their definition of griefing included the example "miner bumping". Within a week the definition was changed. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
Alex Grison Grison Industrial Group 898	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:49:04 - [149] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Alex Grison wrote: Cyndrogen wrote: 1. Stop mining 2. Run mission Eve is a military economy, think about it. 3. Stop run mission 4. Start running down the reality duct. When you reach the Pillars of the Podoemoreal you know that you have gone too far. If you see the Pillars of the Podomorial at any point in time. Turn back, continue in your new direction until you have passed 3 vents. Enter the 4th vent. There's a cloaked spider right behind you ... * Surrounds self with podomoreal dust. yes
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 53158	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:50:06 - [150] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: You know what else the forums need, Zimmy? bacon? I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12460	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:51:02 - [151] - Quote Nexus Day wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Nexus Day wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? New Order is an affable lot of role players. You could choose to resist their petty tyranny or enjoy their endless entertainment. There are several ways to do this. 1) Just sit in local and listen to their endless babble. Some really take to their roleplaying with conviction and it is great fun trying to pull them out of character. 2) Spend time bumping them. They absolutely hate being chased around and bumped. 3) The gank usually consists of one Catalyst. If you surmise this situation antagonize them While mining in an extremely tanky miner. Hilarity ensues when they get Concorded and you boat back for repairs. Don't look for CCP for assistance. They changed their definition of griefing to allow this sort of behavior, it is classified as emergent, not griefing or bullying. No they didn't. You're a liar. Oh yes they did. I know this because I informed them at the time that their definition of griefing included the example "miner bumping". Within a week the definition was changed. That's a lie. Miner bumping never was anywhere part of the EULA or TOS. Bumping as a whole wasn't. History proves you wrong, you liar. The GMs had to actually have conferences about how to deal with this and declared that it's a-ok as long as requirements are met ... thus the mining-permit was born. You can look that up in the very thread in C&P that is exactly about that! You are a stinking liar and a bad one, too. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
admiral root Red Galaxy 2090	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:51:04 - [152] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Solecist Project wrote: You know what else the forums need, Zimmy? bacon? There's no such thing as enough bacon. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12460	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:52:18 - [153] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Solecist Project wrote: You know what else the forums need, Zimmy? bacon? Noooo ... proper content! I sit down on your lap, my legs spread left and right ... ... and wrap my arms around your neck* Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 148	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:54:56 - [154] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: YOUR PARENTS HAD SEX BEFORE YOU EVEN WERE BORN! Fish have had sex, and pooped, in the water you drink ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 53158	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:56:01 - [155] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: I sit down on your lap, my legs spread left and right ... ... and wrap my arms around your neck* Bloodninja wrote: Rhinoceruses don't play games. They f*king charge your ass. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.* Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12460	Posted - 2015.01.02 22:59:36 - [156] - Quote Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Solecist Project wrote: YOUR PARENTS HAD SEX BEFORE YOU EVEN WERE BORN! Fish have had sex, and pooped, in the water you drink I can actually ... There was this what-if from xkcd about how we are all drinking water that had been peed into by dinosaurs, but I can't find it. :/ Also, my dad has a t-shirt about exactly that. I DON'T DRINK WATER, BECAUSE FISH F*** IN IT ! Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12460	Posted - 2015.01.02 23:00:50 - [157] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Solecist Project wrote: I sit down on your lap, my legs spread left and right ... ... and wrap my arms around your neck* What? You don't like it? :\ slowly crawls her fingers through your hair Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 53158	Posted - 2015.01.02 23:01:20 - [158] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: There was this what-if from xkcd about how we are all drinking water that had been peed into by dinosaurs, but I can't find it. You mean this one http://theoatmeal.com/comics/water ? edit: Anyway, I'm off to bed. Naturalcause Lemon's permit has been bought, he is now even a CODE shareholder, thus I consider this topic exhausted. Good night GD ! I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 192	Posted - 2015.01.02 23:02:58 - [159] - Quote admiral root wrote: Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: And you think your 'expendable' gank ships do not operate with a crew also!? How dare you undermine their efforts to make a career serving on your ship, when you just destroy it immediately? He's not the one comparing RL stuff to in-game stuff. Yeah.. I know... I skim-read the post initially. Bad things happen when you do that.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12460	Posted - 2015.01.02 23:04:54 - [160] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Solecist Project wrote: There was this what-if from xkcd about how we are all drinking water that had been peed into by dinosaurs, but I can't find it. You mean this one http://theoatmeal.com/comics/water ? Nonono it definitely was from xkcd, think what-if. I lean forward, kissing your nose. <3 Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!

admiral root Red Galaxy 2092	Posted - 2015.01.02 23:14:23 - [161] - Quote http://what-if.xkcd.com/74/ No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12461	Posted - 2015.01.02 23:17:18 - [162] - Quote admiral root wrote: http://what-if.xkcd.com/74/ Damn, I skipped over that, because I thought it's about something else! Thanks admiral Sir! salutes Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! If you are reading this while being naked ... me too!!
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 192	Posted - 2015.01.02 23:20:15 - [163] - Quote Drinking dinosaur pee? That's cool, but.. A more worse one would be the percent amount of atoms your body has, that was dinosaur poop. I'd rather not know that figure.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5597	Posted - 2015.01.02 23:24:13 - [164] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Second, my home country had (and still has, in some areas) some omni-present, heavy IRL racketing and I hated that. Outside of EvE, racketing is not funny stuff, they shoot your relatives and burn your home / shop / factory if you don't toss loads of money to their sharks. Hence I made a point to never, ever submit to racketeers, even if this is "just" a game. I prefer paying 500M a week to an high sec corp - out of my OWN decision - than 10M a year to racketeers. I agree that outside of EVE protection rackets are heinous entities. But you know what else is heinous IRL? Massacring conscripts without allowing them to surrender, which is exactly what mission runners do every day of the week. Those Serpentis battleships you blow up for a 400k bounty have 4-6 thousand people on them, a good number of them unwilling. RL morality matters because out of game, the consequences of ruthlessly competitive behaviour are serious. In game, all that people lose are consumable space pixels. There's a subtle difference between shooting NPCs and racketing (or something else) somebody. In the first case there's no consequence at all. In the second, you are affecting the somebody who sits behind his pixellated spaceship. For some reason (subjective to me, but I DO follow my own subjectivity), I prefer (and did that) going say to Amamake and shoot evidently willing (to fight) people vs imposing something that could make people feel bad. Expecially the meta-game kind of bad. I personally don't do but still am OK with shooting random guys like Solstice Project would do. In fact I even sent him money to do so, in the past... Instead, I am against "mind tricks", making people feel bad (I recall the case with those guys getting people on their private voice chat to psyche-assault them and make them miserable) and against un-educational things like promoting racketing. But that's just me and my evidently overbloated morals. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 2149	Posted - 2015.01.02 23:41:55 - [165] - Quote Yay me! Thanks VV. ^_^ Unlike the griefers I never was about making people feel bad anyway. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 Calendar by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!
Finn Stanley Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2015.01.03 02:20:27 - [166] - Quote First thing first, read the ganking guide in the mentioned website (is the only interesting posting), or was a guide about ganking exhumers in themittani, i dont remember, inform yourself in the way this people act, and you will realize that .5-.8 is their threshold, 14000 points of damage are their limit and in general that they are just jerks that invented that code thing to justify their inner void, they will kill you if they feel bored even if you pay the permit, they will kill you if they feel like it even if you paid ransom, so all their role playing about their laws is meaningless, stay in 1.0 or 0.9 get away from ice belts and for godsake stay away from their territories, i mine 20 - 30 millions daily 2 - 3 hours after work till around 12 pm, most of the time while doing something else, am i a bot wanna be? no im not, because if i were i would be making 150 millions daily, i dont need them, i produce and sell passively, are they butthurt because people gain hundreds of millions docked in stations playing the market, of course they are, but they cant do anything about it. So, mine far away from them and be smart dont give them free advertising... ive yet to be ganked by them but when they do i wont say anything, just because is meaningless.
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 2193	Posted - 2015.01.03 02:32:47 - [167] - Quote Finn Stanley wrote: First thing first, read the ganking guide in the mentioned website (is the only interesting posting), or was a guide about ganking exhumers in themittani, i dont remember, inform yourself in the way this people act, and you will realize that .5-.8 is their threshold, 14000 points of damage are their limit and in general that they are just jerks that invented that code thing to justify their inner void, they will kill you if they feel bored even if you pay the permit, they will kill you if they feel like it even if you paid ransom, so all their role playing about their laws is meaningless, stay in 1.0 or 0.9 get away from ice belts and for godsake stay away from their territories, i mine 20 - 30 millions daily 2 - 3 hours after work till around 12 pm, most of the time while doing something else, am i a bot wanna be? no im not, because if i were i would be making 150 millions daily, i dont need them, i produce and sell passively, are they butthurt because people gain hundreds of millions docked in stations playing the market, of course they are, but they cant do anything about it. So, mine far away from them and be smart dont give them free advertising... ive yet to be ganked by them but when they do i wont say anything, just because is meaningless. Dear Sir or Madam ... maybe even both. First of all your lack of paragraphs hints at you raging, which makes you look like an immature child. You probably didn't know, but people who rage most often don't use paragraphs, because they type out of rage and completely forget everything else. It's the feeling that makes one type and type and type. It's a way to cope with it. In the real world people would be screaming at someone and argueing back and forth, but as that's not possible on a forum it expresses itself this way. Then there's "jerks" ... "justify their inner void" ... which confirms this pretty much. And there's the last line, too ... "ive yet to be ganked by them but when they do i wont say anything". You're a liar. Either you're a liar in regards to not having been ganked, or you're a liar about how you wouldn't say anything. Anyhow ... if all of this was meaningless, you wouldn't have posted this. So I guess we can add "cognitive dissonance" to the list as well. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
Asura Vajrarupa Anarchist Industrial Syndicate of Metropolis 18	Posted - 2015.01.03 05:38:18 - [168] - Quote Honestly kids the only thing I did when I started seeing people in my area ganking with catalysts was to buy a catalyst BPO and start my science alt on researching it up. I plan to be in full production swing before the FOTM for ganking changes. Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 432	Posted - 2015.01.03 06:44:20 - [169] - Quote Yes, you need a permit to mine in highsec. I hope that answers your question. Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Posting With Alt Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2015.01.03 09:18:57 - [170] - Quote You wouldn't spin a ship. You wouldn't gank CONCORD. You wouldn't double an ISK. You wouldn't steal an asteroid. PERMITLESS MINING IS STEALING. STEALING IS AGAINST THE LAW. Non-compliancy: It's a crime.

Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 71	Posted - 2015.01.03 09:43:27 - [171] - Quote Asura Vajrarupa wrote: Honestly kids the only thing I did when I started seeing people in my area ganking with catalysts was to buy a catalyst BPO and start my science alt on researching it up. I plan to be in full production swing before the FOTM for ganking changes. You're behind the ball my friend, real men don't fly cats anymore. Isn't that right John?
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 199	Posted - 2015.01.03 09:53:21 - [172] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: E: Mind if I steal that "You wouldn't steal a" bit? It made me laugh. That'd be so much funnier if someone put into the form of the video advertisement. Actually, I could probably do that.
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 71	Posted - 2015.01.03 09:55:12 - [173] - Quote Please do. More content is a win for everybody.
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 437	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:45:09 - [174] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: You're behind the ball my friend, real men don't fly cats anymore. Isn't that right John? 2015 is gonna be a good year Tisi! Quote: - Immediate purging of all CODE. corps of anyone with 100+ thrasher kills and the creation of the suggested corp (New Order Pot Luck Supper Club) that we may or may not allow into CODE. - Implementation and enforcement of a unified character background so a thrasher ganker can be easily identified by others. - An agreed upon tag word to be used when communicating in public channels with a thrasher ganker. Example: Nice empty pod kill, scrub... "Scrub" is just a suggestion but you can guess what I'm looking for. Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 663	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:57:52 - [175] - Quote ISD Ezwal wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Am i really not safe mining anywhere? There is no real safety anywhere in EvE. If you undock, you can be shot at. Period. But do you need a permit from whatever organisation to do what you want to do in game? The answer is no, you do not. Post with your main the Code ALWAYS wins
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 73	Posted - 2015.01.03 11:08:50 - [176] - Quote Ahem I play the way I want to play, there is nothing wrong with that John, I find it relaxing. It is wrong of you to try and get me to change. Just because you don't find my style of gaming enjoyable doesn't mean I'm not an important part of the economy. Without us thrasher gankers the implant industry would collapse. Also, I have powerful friends in highsec. #stand up to tyranny
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 438	Posted - 2015.01.03 11:26:10 - [177] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: Ahem I play the way I want to play, there is nothing wrong with that John, I find it relaxing. It is wrong of you to try and get me to change. Just because you don't find my style of gaming enjoyable doesn't mean I'm not an important part of the economy. Without us miners the economy would collapse. Also, I have powerful friends in nullsec. #stand up to tyranny I changed 3 things... Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Haywoud Jablomi The Circus Corp Alternate Allegiance 4	Posted - 2015.01.03 13:43:26 - [178] - Quote CODE is a lot of fun to mess with. Get a Skiff or Procurer. Tank it nicely, get some ECM drones. Single destroyer wont take you out before Concord wrecks their day. Hi Sec gankers are pretty cowardly. If you even look like you are going to put up a fight, they will leave you alone.
Posting With Alt Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2015.01.03 14:02:55 - [179] - Quote Haywoud Jablomi wrote: Hi Sec gankers are pretty cowardly. The problem here is you're confusing bravery with stupidity. Why in the world would you assume a single Catalyst or Thrasher is going to try to rough up a Procurer or a Skiff in the first place? In fact by sacrificing yield for tank you are only glorifying the New Order and furthering its mission for a smarter Highsec. CODE wins if they gank your barge. CODE wins if they force you to fly Procurers and Skiffs. If you haven't figured it out yet: the CODE always wins. The only way to be a winner yourself is to purchase a Mining Permit.
admiral root Red Galaxy 2101	Posted - 2015.01.03 14:06:14 - [180] - Quote Posting With Alt wrote: If you haven't figured it out yet: the CODE always wins. The only way to be a winner yourself is to purchase a Mining Permit. And comply with the Code at all times. Failure to do so will invalidate your permit and may lead to you being added to the red pen list. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM

Haywoud Jablomi The Circus Corp Alternate Allegiance 4	Posted - 2015.01.03 14:22:30 - [181] - Quote Posting With Alt wrote: Haywoud Jablomi wrote: Hi Sec gankers are pretty cowardly. The problem here is you're confusing bravery with stupidity. Why in the world would you assume a single Catalyst or Thrasher is going to try to rough up a Procurer or a Skiff in the first place? In fact by sacrificing yield for tank you are only glorifying the New Order and furthering its mission for a smarter Highsec. CODE wins if they gank your barge. CODE wins if they force you to fly Procurers and Skiffs. If you haven't figured it out yet: the CODE always wins. The only way to be a winner yourself is to purchase a Mining Permit. LOL what??? facepalms Procurer/Skiff have a pretty solid yield. It's on par with the Mac
Milan Nantucket New Eden Misfits 210	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:08:17 - [182] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Thats the thing. I understand ganking experienced players who know better and know alot about this game but im pretty new. I mean, ive had this account for a few years, but ive only ever played for like 3 months. After they killed my ship, I have nothing.... I have like an ibis 10 jumps away but thats it... I had a mackinaw.... Sounds like a little pre-planning could have saved you some time. When all you have is an ibis here is what you do. Goto you closest starter system and run the tutorials again. You get some free stuff. Once that is done goto Arnon and run the SOE Arc... that will give you enough for a Venture.. Start mining and do what they suggested above. Eventually you will save enough to get a new exhumer or barge. Oh and buy a mining permit.
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3371	Posted - 2015.01.03 16:32:54 - [183] - Quote I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. On another note, if you want to continue roleplaying, please post in the IGS part of the forum. The Rules: 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. 31. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited. CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties. Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 667	Posted - 2015.01.03 17:08:53 - [184] - Quote Haywoud Jablomi wrote: CODE is a lot of fun to mess with. Get a Skiff or Procurer. Tank it nicely, get some ECM drones. Single destroyer wont take you out before Concord wrecks their day. Hi Sec gankers are pretty cowardly. If you even look like you are going to put up a fight, they will leave you alone. It's always funny if Highsec miners point at others and describe them as cowards. I am sure your choice of a Procurer instead of a Hulk has nothing to do with how scared you are of the gankers and we all know that Highsec miners don't care about yield. the Code ALWAYS wins
Serene Repose 1992	Posted - 2015.01.03 17:10:08 - [185] - Quote The great digital god in the ethernet told me to tell you guys to KILL this thread. It's an outrageous waste of bandwidth. Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Super Perforator New Order Logistics CODE. 23	Posted - 2015.01.03 18:58:15 - [186] - Quote Aischa Montagne wrote: BTW I am not sure about 1.0 System, it maybe that this system because they are starting systems, ganking maybe sanctioned by higher authorities. As a beginner I would try a petition in this systems. (I think it is fruitless elsewere) 1.0 systems are not, per se, Rookie Systems. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems There you can get into trouble if you are not extremely careful. Any "beginner" outside the rookie systems should know what they are getting into. Aischa Montagne wrote: Beware that not all Gankers are part of CODE. There are some not flying the ganking color right away. I recommend to start chatting with other miners in the system. They can share the information who to look out for. In my experience, talking to other miners is tough. The majority of them are AFK, or not interested in socialising. The clanging silence of local is one thing that moved me in this direction. I'm not a fan of talking to myself. Stress? Just cool it... CODE. Diplo. Praise James!
Super Perforator New Order Logistics CODE. 23	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:09:43 - [187] - Quote Daniel Jackson wrote: (even if you buy a permit from them they will still blow you up) cause its a scam If any permit holder was ganked by a CODE. member, whilst flying in a Code compliant fashion, feel free to contact me by EVEmail (or one of the New Order diplos) in order to talk about reimbursement for the losses. Be sure to include the Killmail in the text of the mail. Stress? Just cool it... CODE. Diplo. Praise James!
Haywoud Jablomi The Circus Corp Alternate Allegiance 5	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:55:40 - [188] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Haywoud Jablomi wrote: CODE is a lot of fun to mess with. Get a Skiff or Procurer. Tank it nicely, get some ECM drones. Single destroyer wont take you out before Concord wrecks their day. Hi Sec gankers are pretty cowardly. If you even look like you are going to put up a fight, they will leave you alone. It's always funny if Highsec miners point at others and describe them as cowards. I am sure your choice of a Procurer instead of a Hulk has nothing to do with how scared you are of the gankers and we all know that Highsec miners don't care about yield. Well I happen to live in Null and I find CODE's tactics silly and yea it's a bit cowardly. Doesn't mean its not fun but its hardly a high skilled task.
Super Perforator New Order Logistics CODE. 23	Posted - 2015.01.03 21:29:36 - [189] - Quote Haywoud Jablomi wrote: Well I happen to live in Null and I find CODE's tactics silly and yea it's a bit cowardly. Doesn't mean its not fun but its hardly a high skilled task. Try it and see. Stress? Just cool it... CODE. Diplo. Praise James!
Pok Nibin Filial Pariahs 449	Posted - 2015.01.03 23:42:53 - [190] - Quote Super Perforator wrote: ...whilst.... That sounds so growed up, I got misty reading it. CODE - "whilst" OOooooh, it gives me goosebumps@ Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.

Asura Vajrarupa Anarchist Industrial Syndicate of Metropolis 21	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:57:31 - [191] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Haywoud Jablomi wrote: CODE is a lot of fun to mess with. Get a Skiff or Procurer. Tank it nicely, get some ECM drones. Single destroyer wont take you out before Concord wrecks their day. Hi Sec gankers are pretty cowardly. If you even look like you are going to put up a fight, they will leave you alone. It's always funny if Highsec miners point at others and describe them as cowards. I am sure your choice of a Procurer instead of a Hulk has nothing to do with how scared you are of the gankers and we all know that Highsec miners don't care about yield. Hulk's aren't an efficient way to get the job done if you're not in a group. But I guess a lot of people still get fooled by the old mining guides and that third laser. Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
Asura Vajrarupa Anarchist Industrial Syndicate of Metropolis 21	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:58:20 - [192] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: Asura Vajrarupa wrote: Honestly kids the only thing I did when I started seeing people in my area ganking with catalysts was to buy a catalyst BPO and start my science alt on researching it up. I plan to be in full production swing before the FOTM for ganking changes. You're behind the ball my friend, real men don't fly cats anymore. Isn't that right John? E: Mind if I steal that "You wouldn't steal a" bit? It made me laugh. Its all good, destroyer BPO's are cheap, and my alt has nothing better to do. Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
Shin Katsumoto The Zetetic Elench Tungsten Dominion 4	Posted - 2015.01.04 02:43:01 - [193] - Quote I dont get it, why are they doing this? For ***** and giggles?
Vapor Ventrillian The Scope Gallente Federation 123	Posted - 2015.01.04 02:48:13 - [194] - Quote The CODE. represent a telling moment of eve history but like a ganker alliances they will fail...and I will explain the thing that will destroy them is...internal politics and isk paranoia... it is always the way Ganker alliances draw fairly chilled independent players that shoot stuff and don't take this game too seriously....then the isk rolls in and their successes begin to pile up. When this happens in real life,people change, and when their is serious isk/money to be made, A ecosystem of paranoia become will become apparent. This draws a type of ganker that is not really that charismatic and basically want to make the system official so they can feed their god complex this irritates the original founder who has had to avoid these people most of his/her life and they will back away in some form ...this has already happened The Godlings within the code have been pissing off their chilled F.Cs simply by making demands, and too a group of space anarchists ..this is a bad idea the originaly chilled player base mentioned above has little to no tolerance for political player because simply they are a buzz kill and will simply disappear to the next nest option removing the funny chill atmosphere that code. needs to make them the more attractive gank option for roams -it does not require a attack on their assets this would only serve to unify them and has done so -character assassination is unnecessary because most of them conceal their real toon in order to just troll others game play and their gank toon are beyond recovery. -marmite and other forces connected to the white knight initiative have been unsuccessful in their elimination of them for the first reason stated above Code. could recover but it would require a substantial rebellion among its lower players to knock out the corrupt head But unless this happens, code. will fall and another will take its place this is the way in R.L as it is the way of EVE o7 Vapor The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5599	Posted - 2015.01.04 04:58:07 - [195] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Haywoud Jablomi wrote: CODE is a lot of fun to mess with. Get a Skiff or Procurer. Tank it nicely, get some ECM drones. Single destroyer wont take you out before Concord wrecks their day. Hi Sec gankers are pretty cowardly. If you even look like you are going to put up a fight, they will leave you alone. It's always funny if Highsec miners point at others and describe them as cowards. I am sure your choice of a Procurer instead of a Hulk has nothing to do with how scared you are of the gankers and we all know that Highsec miners don't care about yield. Actually, Hulk currently is an expensive and labor intensive bad choice for high sec regardless of CODE or not. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1956	Posted - 2015.01.04 05:55:34 - [196] - Quote If I was a miner I'd want for the dedicated group of suicide gankers to not want to gank me. I'd adhere to the new Halaima code of Conduct. That said, the only reason I can ever fit mining lasers is because mining is a default skill these days or something.
JackknifedII The Congregation 62	Posted - 2015.01.04 11:30:36 - [197] - Quote Back when I was involved in a mining corp, we used to make sure all members mined in belts as far away from the warp in point as possible just to give a little extra time to get out in case of any 'funny business'. Did so by making bookmarks for mining spots in belts before warping the barges to them. IDK if that is useful information for you, but there it is. Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 164	Posted - 2015.01.04 11:54:41 - [198] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: It's always funny if Highsec miners point at others and describe them as cowards. If miners point at codies, the miners are right. Ima Wreckyou wrote: I I am sure your choice of a Procurer instead of a Hulk has nothing to do with how scared you are of the gankers and we all know that Highsec miners don't care about yield. Yawn. Using an umbrella when it might rain doesnt make me scared of rain. Vimsy Vortis wrote: If I was a miner I'd want for the dedicated group of suicide gankers to not want to gank me. I'd adhere to the new Halaima code of Conduct. That said, the only reason I can ever fit mining lasers is because mining is a default skill these days or something. Well miners who are not smart enough to use basic ag meassures , can adhere to this "halaima-stuff". But thank you for letting us know what a though guy/girl you are. Super Perforator wrote: In my experience, talking to other miners is tough. The majority of them are AFK, or not interested in socialising. The clanging silence of local is one thing that moved me in this direction. I'm not a fan of talking to myself. More flawed logic. You put on your closes with a fork? One does not need to "socialise" with you guys. Or with those scammers at the trade systems. If you want talk to someone, talk to friends. Oh! You do not have friends? Sure its the others fault, not yours! Forum Main
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 716	Posted - 2015.01.04 11:55:28 - [199] - Quote Super Perforator wrote: Haywoud Jablomi wrote: Well I happen to live in Null and I find CODE's tactics silly and yea it's a bit cowardly. Doesn't mean its not fun but its hardly a high skilled task. Try it and see. Neutral cloaked warp to ship. Warp 10km away and blow them up. Not difficult at all. ... or maybe some people like doing the same thing over and over until they have audiotary hallucinations. Vimsy Vortis wrote: If I was a miner I'd want for the dedicated group of suicide gankers to not want to gank me. I'd adhere to the new Halaima code of Conduct. That said, the only reason I can ever fit mining lasers is because mining is a default skill these days or something. If I was in hi-sec, I would just make warp off points and slow boat across belts mining. A huge nuisance but I would rather spite the fat kids. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 164	Posted - 2015.01.04 12:02:15 - [200] - Quote Another Idea: Fly in a group. Have a friend with you that bumps away anything, that not belongs to your group. This will eliminate the "warpto" point and make ganking much harder. Of course the other ag points still apply. Also you can anoy of your "competition" if you are mining good stuff. As i said, i am not a "white knight". Forum Main

La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 164	Posted - 2015.01.04 12:10:20 - [201] - Quote JackknifedII wrote: Back when I was involved in a mining corp, we used to make sure all members mined in belts as far away from the warp in point as possible just to give a little extra time to get out in case of any 'funny business'. Did so by making bookmarks for mining spots in belts before warping the barges to them. IDK if that is useful information for you, but there it is. Sorry, but no. Basic tactic is using a scout ship, another mining alt. It might even mining right beside you, that will be the "warp to" point. codies have lots of alts, around 300 alts in corps but maybe around 100 ppl behind them. And those 300 are the offiical code members. For eg loyal-guys high kill rank is done always with friends and the help of at least one alt of him self MINUS the scout. Best know loyal alts are "wolf soprano" and "sophia soprano". Forum Main
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 1950	Posted - 2015.01.04 12:39:32 - [202] - Quote No I don't but I don't think I mined since 2007
Z'kroooh Ouau University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.01.04 12:46:07 - [203] - Quote Arisidana wrote: You should mine in lowsec, I heard Code is scared of lowsec. Gankers don't have balls to get into lowsec.
Z'kroooh Ouau University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.01.04 12:51:29 - [204] - Quote Shin Katsumoto wrote: I dont get it, why are they doing this? For *** and giggles? Because that's the only thing that they are able to achieve in EVE and real life. You know this type of person. Slacker, no job, thinks that Che Guevara was a great person and sprays their ** on buss stops. In other words: worthless scum.
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 28505	Posted - 2015.01.04 12:57:11 - [205] - Quote Wow. That'll sort them out. You tell 'em, Z'kroooh. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel The Endgame \| Wormhole Diaries
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5602	Posted - 2015.01.04 12:59:39 - [206] - Quote Z'kroooh Ouau wrote: Shin Katsumoto wrote: I dont get it, why are they doing this? For *** and giggles? Because that's the only thing that they are able to achieve in EVE and real life. You know this type of person. Slacker, no job, thinks that Che Guevara was a great person and sprays their ** on buss stops. In other words: worthless scum. You know, you have just described large swathes of population! Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Noobshot Elongur Order in the Void Yulai Federation 4	Posted - 2015.01.04 13:34:12 - [207] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? No, if someone out there wants you bad enough they can find you. (See locator agents.) But there are steps you can take to mitigate the risk of getting ganked. Bunch of ways to avoid this: 1) Put retards on a watch list that alert you when they logon and show up in local as bad guys. 2) Join a fleet of miners to get boosts. (I.E. don't solo mine if you don't have to.) 3) Find an industrial corporation that operates in low/null sec. Get better stuff out there anyways. Most of CODE/MARMITE dare not fly out there. 4) Get into a mining ship that has some tank to it so you can survive the gank attempt long enough for concord to show up. A skiff with descent shield and drone skills would be a plus. Tech 1 mining ships are basically eggshells with an engine and ore bay. Some people are crazy when it comes to ship fits too and go for mining yield when they are solo mining and should be going for survivability. Remember, you got to get the ore to the station to enjoy the benefits. Can't do that when your ship explodes. 5) If they do gank you, sell the kill right so everyone can have a chance of ganking them back. 6) Keep your ship aligned to a safe point in system. CONTROL+B is your friend for making safe points. 7) NEVER AFK/BOT MINE!!!! That should help out.
Shin Katsumoto The Zetetic Elench Tungsten Dominion 4	Posted - 2015.01.04 13:43:55 - [208] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Z'kroooh Ouau wrote: Shin Katsumoto wrote: I dont get it, why are they doing this? For *** and giggles? Because that's the only thing that they are able to achieve in EVE and real life. You know this type of person. Slacker, no job, thinks that Che Guevara was a great person and sprays their ** on buss stops. In other words: worthless scum. You know, you have just described large swathes of population! LOL That does not make him automatically wrong though. What I mean though, is there any profit in these activities or do they do out out of sheer spite and/or self-entertainment?
Sista Slade Nano-Tech Experiments 14	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:43:12 - [209] - Quote Shin Katsumoto wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Z'kroooh Ouau wrote: Shin Katsumoto wrote: I dont get it, why are they doing this? For *** and giggles? Because that's the only thing that they are able to achieve in EVE and real life. You know this type of person. Slacker, no job, thinks that Che Guevara was a great person and sprays their ** on buss stops. In other words: worthless scum. You know, you have just described large swathes of population! LOL That does not make him automatically wrong though. What I mean though, is there any profit in these activities or do they do out out of sheer spite and/or self-entertainment? The only people that care about the hoarding of ISK and profit are the bot-aspirants in hi-sec, that fly anti-tanked ships in belts while watching YouTube.....Or eating.....Or going to the bathroom.....Or talking on the phone.....Or buttering the dog. Those that follow and enforce the Code are rabidly against this type of gameplay. While there is some ISK to be made, the biggest profit by far is to show the carebear the error of his/her ways and gaining a friend in the process.
Tear Jar New Order Logistics CODE. 269	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:26:44 - [210] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Please note that the above person believes that babies cry for no good reason. Have you had kids? Babies do a ton of crying for no good reason.

Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 213	Posted - 2015.01.04 18:27:10 - [211] - Quote Shin Katsumoto wrote: What I mean though, is there any profit in these activities or do they do out out of sheer spite and/or self-entertainment? Potential profit can be down to a couple of things. The loot fairy, who is a heartless and cruel mistress Activities that gankers may be doing on other characters, if a ganker has an alt that produces mining ships or modules then ganking miners generates a localised demand for the products that the alt produces. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Herzyr Ministry of War Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2015.01.04 18:34:51 - [212] - Quote I find mining relaxing every every once in a while, you know, variety is the spice of life, especially in Excel in space. I remember the 1st time I got popped in my retriever, fun times, nothing tops the adrenaline of almost escaping your gankers only to have your tank die just before you can warp. OP, the only permit you need is yourself, you either do it or you don't.
Trii Seo 700	Posted - 2015.01.04 19:06:14 - [213] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Why does this "code" do what they do? they are alienating an entire solo profession because why? Unless it's been said already: CODE can do what they want to do because nobody stops them. There's little stopping you from gathering support and going against them either - you just need to make sure you know what you're doing because they love to dispose of wannabe "anti-CODE" organizations and post about it on their blog. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Mr Twinkie Black Serpent Technologies Black Legion. 6	Posted - 2015.01.05 03:39:41 - [214] - Quote Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? CODE. is a high-sec ganking alliance. Anything CODE says is Role Play, and shouldn't be taken seriously. So the answer is very simple, and you can absolutely continue solo play. You are not 'fully safe' anywhere, but you can take precautions to ensure that such a thing won't happen so often (if at all). So, add the alliance "CODE." as a contact, and set them to -10.0. When they appear in Local, they'll have a red mark on their portrait, and you'll be able to see it, so you'll know what they're going to do. Dock up preemptively. But the biggest thing you can do is don't be fully AFK. Check your D-Scan every now and then, and browse Local when you feel like it for players with Negative Security Status (positive Security Status players can still gank you, but it's less likely. You always lose Security Status with Highsec ganks). Getting a Procurer or a Skiff is also a good idea. Do you need a new Barge? Qft If u enjoy mining do this. Also get in an indy Corp and mine with friends.
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 2493	Posted - 2015.01.05 03:49:36 - [215] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Please note that the above person believes that babies cry for no good reason. Have you had kids? Babies do a ton of crying for no good reason. Oh look, another one. Nope, they don't. Not once. Babies always have a reason to cry. In regards to babies especially it is always a good reason, too. You make me feel bad for humanity. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
Nexus Day Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau 1109	Posted - 2015.01.05 05:03:51 - [216] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Nexus Day wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Nexus Day wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? New Order is an affable lot of role players. You could choose to resist their petty tyranny or enjoy their endless entertainment. There are several ways to do this. 1) Just sit in local and listen to their endless babble. Some really take to their roleplaying with conviction and it is great fun trying to pull them out of character. 2) Spend time bumping them. They absolutely hate being chased around and bumped. 3) The gank usually consists of one Catalyst. If you surmise this situation antagonize them While mining in an extremely tanky miner. Hilarity ensues when they get Concorded and you boat back for repairs. Don't look for CCP for assistance. They changed their definition of griefing to allow this sort of behavior, it is classified as emergent, not griefing or bullying. No they didn't. You're a liar. Oh yes they did. I know this because I informed them at the time that their definition of griefing included the example "miner bumping". Within a week the definition was changed. That's a lie. Miner bumping never was anywhere part of the EULA or TOS. Bumping as a whole wasn't. History proves you wrong, you liar. The GMs had to actually have conferences about how to deal with this and declared that it's a-ok as long as requirements are met ... thus the mining-permit was born. You can look that up in the very thread in C&P that is exactly about that! You are a stinking liar and a bad one, too. No, the reference was in Evelopedia under the definition of griefing. Sorry to burst your bubble but it is true, I sent in the support ticket basically informing them that the activity they were sanctioning was defined as griefing in their reference guide. Now if you want you can shut your eyes and believe really hard that it isn't true. But it is. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1750	Posted - 2015.01.05 06:59:56 - [217] - Quote Z'kroooh Ouau wrote: Shin Katsumoto wrote: I dont get it, why are they doing this? For *** and giggles? Because that's the only thing that they are able to achieve in EVE and real life. Well, that and making you platinum-level mad. Shin Katsumoto wrote:** That does not make him automatically wrong though. What I mean though, is there any profit in these activities or do they do out out of sheer spite and/or self-entertainment? What? Someone somewhere is playing a game for entertainment? Oh my. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4288	Posted - 2015.01.05 07:28:26 - [218] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Please note that the above person believes that babies cry for no good reason. Have you had kids? Babies do a ton of crying for no good reason. TJ, don't respond to this further. He's taken a comment I made in a very specific context, removed it from that context entirely and keeps bringing it up. Babies very much do cry for no apparent reason (the word 'apparent' was implied by the very specific context of a famous quote). There is indeed usually a reason - often teething or mild hunger, sometimes something else that requires attention - neither of which are apparent. Hence no apparent reason. Solecist is an intelligent person who I assume worked out the context but just wants to have a go at me for unrelated reasons. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 671	Posted - 2015.01.05 12:01:42 - [219] - Quote I like how the die hard rebels in this thread basically say the counter to CODE. is following the advice written in the New Halaima Code of Conduct. the Code ALWAYS wins
Solecist Project Snuggle Society Covalent Bonds 12553	Posted - 2015.01.05 12:12:50 - [220] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Tear Jar wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Please note that the above person believes that babies cry for no good reason. Have you had kids? Babies do a ton of crying for no good reason. TJ, don't respond to this further. He's taken a comment I made in a very specific context, removed it from that context entirely and keeps bringing it up. Babies very much do cry for no apparent reason (the word 'apparent' was implied by the very specific context of a famous quote). There is indeed usually a reason - often teething or mild hunger, sometimes something else that requires attention - neither of which are apparent. Hence no apparent reason. Solecist is an intelligent person who I assume worked out the context but just wants to have a go at me for unrelated reasons. Now you make up things you didn't mean or say. The word "apparent" was not used and not implied at all. The context were carebears who keep crying around. You made it pretty clear that you don't like them and you put them into the very same line as crying babies. You can't spin yourself around this. Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend

Renly Hagen Casimir Associates 0	Posted - 2015.01.05 12:15:50 - [221] - Quote Hmmm...I've never had a problem mining in either highsec or lowsec and have never seen anyone from CODE.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1757	Posted - 2015.01.05 12:21:38 - [222] - Quote Renly Hagen wrote: Hmmm...I've never had a problem mining in either highsec or lowsec and have never seen anyone from CODE. Perhaps you should tell us where you are so that we may mine in safety too. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 721	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:34:19 - [223] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Renly Hagen wrote: Hmmm...I've never had a problem mining in either highsec or lowsec and have never seen anyone from CODE. Perhaps you should tell us where you are so that we may mine in safety too. From here Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Skipper Huitzilopoch wrote: I think there are more, those are just most trivial options. . Okay, let's break these down: * ~~Have a permit. It's a known fact that CODE-abiding miners are virtually immune to ganking~~ Don't be silly. Don't feed them. * ~~Stay in .8-1 highsec. With minimal tank, it'll be rather hard to kill any of those ships I mentioned in systems above .8~~ Herd miners so they are more concentrated, easier to find and competing for less resources? * Tank a little bit more, and see Concord killing the gankers I can agree with this cost to benefit pay off. * ~~Bring ECM escort along with you~~ Which newbie do you know that has two accounts, one with ECM ... or do you expect carebears to waste an account incase someone might come and attack? * Keep moving - it's harder to gank a moving target Correction: Keep moving between two warp off points. * ~~Tank a whole lot more: I saw well-tanked retrievers which were impervious to ganking even in .7~~ Retrievers tanking? Give me some of your stuff. * ~~Train alt to fly an Orca, have it stationed nearby and jump in once gank starts - nothing annoys me more than target that disappeared after I opened fire~~ I am sure you are horribly annoyed when people bring Orcas to belts for you to gather more guys and gank it. Sending a cynabel and two deimos to us and getting one procurer that was stuck on the invisible part of an asteroid does not count as little catalyst ganks. (They lost the ships with 97% ISK failure btw). CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Steppa Musana Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:06:41 - [224] - Quote Sol Project wrote: Tear Jar wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Please note that the above person believes that babies cry for no good reason. Have you had kids? Babies do a ton of crying for no good reason. Oh look, another one. Nope, they don't. Not once. Babies always have a reason to cry. In regards to babies especially it is always a good reason, too. You make me feel bad for humanity. Now you know how everyone feels when you post
Winter Archipelago Furtherance. 326	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:36:49 - [225] - Quote The only thing I regret about reading this thread was that I did so sober. The postings on both sides have been a grand bit of humor to read, but would have been so much better with a light bit of inebriation. Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Mods, Ships, and Dolls.
Provence Tristram Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:28:34 - [226] - Quote They sound like a bunch of jerks. Seriously: high sec AFK mining is a grand EVE tradition. While they are certainly entitled through the sandbox to snuff it out, other players should strike back immediately and swat this fly.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1772	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:02:52 - [227] - Quote Provence Tristram wrote: They sound like a bunch of jerks. Seriously: high sec AFK mining is a grand EVE tradition. While they are certainly entitled through the sandbox to snuff it out, other players should strike back immediately and swat this fly. At this point, "striking back immediately" would require a time machine. On the bright side, there are indeed many flies getting swatted in highsec. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
ISD Supogo ISD Community Communications Liaisons 418	Posted - 2015.01.06 09:07:00 - [228] - Quote Removed a post. Quote: Forum rules 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not conductive to the community spirit that CCP promotes. As such, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated. ISD Supogo Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 53350	Posted - 2015.01.06 09:53:05 - [229] - Quote Provence Tristram wrote: They sound like a bunch of jerks. Seriously: high sec AFK mining is a grand EVE tradition. While they are certainly entitled through the sandbox to snuff it out,other players should strike back immediately and swat this fly. The root of all problems. And the afk highsec miners keep waiting and waiting for "other players" to strike back.... I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12571	Posted - 2015.01.06 09:55:10 - [230] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Provence Tristram wrote: They sound like a bunch of jerks. Seriously: high sec AFK mining is a grand EVE tradition. While they are certainly entitled through the sandbox to snuff it out,other players should strike back immediately and swat this fly. The root of all problems. And the afk highsec miners keep waiting and waiting for "other players" to strike back.... Hi Zimmy!! hugs Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend

Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 53350	Posted - 2015.01.06 10:02:00 - [231] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Zimmy Zeta wrote: Provence Tristram wrote: They sound like a bunch of jerks. Seriously: high sec AFK mining is a grand EVE tradition. While they are certainly entitled through the sandbox to snuff it out,other players should strike back immediately and swat this fly. The root of all problems. And the afk highsec miners keep waiting and waiting for "other players" to strike back.... Hi Zimmy!! hugs sneezes Hi Sol! I haz a sick..my skull is filled with snot and misery....I'd not recommend e-hugging me right now. Aww....back to bed I guess....have fun, everybody. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12572	Posted - 2015.01.06 10:21:05 - [232] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Zimmy Zeta wrote: Provence Tristram wrote: They sound like a bunch of jerks. Seriously: high sec AFK mining is a grand EVE tradition. While they are certainly entitled through the sandbox to snuff it out,other players should strike back immediately and swat this fly. The root of all problems. And the afk highsec miners keep waiting and waiting for "other players" to strike back.... Hi Zimmy!! hugs sneezes Hi Sol! I haz a sick..my skull is filled with snot and misery....I'd not recommend e-hugging me right now. Aww....back to bed I guess....have fun, everybody. drops clothes sneaks into your bed hugs you tightly from behind, warming you <3 :) Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 225	Posted - 2015.01.06 10:27:29 - [233] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Zimmy Zeta wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Zimmy Zeta wrote: Provence Tristram wrote: They sound like a bunch of jerks. Seriously: high sec AFK mining is a grand EVE tradition. While they are certainly entitled through the sandbox to snuff it out,other players should strike back immediately and swat this fly. The root of all problems. And the afk highsec miners keep waiting and waiting for "other players" to strike back.... Hi Zimmy!! hugs sneezes Hi Sol! I haz a sick..my skull is filled with snot and misery....I'd not recommend e-hugging me right now. Aww....back to bed I guess....have fun, everybody. drops clothes sneaks into your bed hugs you tightly from behind, warming you <3 :) >Gets sick also >Proceeds to infect entire forum through spontaneous hugs from behind with no clothes on > ??? >Profit?! That's how it goes, right?
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 12578	Posted - 2015.01.06 11:03:29 - [234] - Quote You're just jealous, because nobody shows you some love. :/ Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 227	Posted - 2015.01.06 11:44:53 - [235] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: You're just jealous, because nobody shows you some love. :/ Envious, I believe is the word you're looking for. The rest of that statement is accurate. Right, back to Photoshop I go. This is taking ages.
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 12667	Posted - 2015.01.06 15:39:30 - [236] - Quote ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOBOOBS!!! Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote: Solecist Project wrote: You're just jealous, because nobody shows you some love. :/ Envious, I believe is the word you're looking for. The rest of that statement is accurate. Right, back to Photoshop I go. This is taking ages. Thanks! Also ... that was one impressive Homer Simpson scene! What are you creating, btw? Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 12667	Posted - 2015.01.06 15:56:27 - [237] - Quote Oh and did you notice that Lisa speaks with Marge's voice at the end? Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend
Solops Crendraven Solops Inc 35	Posted - 2015.01.06 19:17:47 - [238] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? Permits? Just Mine in 10 accounts with Procurers and ECM Drones And AFK or if you only have two accounts just agress yourself and concord will be dispatched to Belt = free Protection or mine with me I have Orca Support. Check Me Out!!! On Twitch Tv 24/7 enter link description here
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 12720	Posted - 2015.01.06 19:27:02 - [239] - Quote Solops Crendraven wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? Permits? Just Mine in 10 accounts with Procurers and ECM Drones And AFK or if you only have two accounts just agress yourself and concord will be dispatched to Belt = free Protection or mine with me I have Orca Support. OMG you are starting to spread out ....... Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend
Solops Crendraven Solops Inc 36	Posted - 2015.01.06 19:37:02 - [240] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Solops Crendraven wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? Permits? Just Mine in 10 accounts with Procurers and ECM Drones And AFK or if you only have two accounts just agress yourself and concord will be dispatched to Belt = free Protection or mine with me I have Orca Support. OMG you are starting to spread out ....... LOL Check Me Out!!! On Twitch Tv 24/7 enter link description here

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3391	Posted - 2015.01.06 20:05:19 - [241] - Quote Thread temporarily locked for some cleaning. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 906	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:20:46 - [242] - Quote +1 for the effort and for ISD Ezwal wrote: Thread reopened. Remove insurance. This thread is the reason, why CCP should stop advertising any aspect of EVE PvE
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3307	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:23:33 - [243] - Quote Everyone needs a highsec mining permit. Everyone knows this. You should contact your closest CODE representative today and get one asap.
Z'kroooh Ouau University of Caille Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2015.01.08 23:19:01 - [244] - Quote ISD LackOfFaith wrote: [quote] Forum rules Griefing (repeated targeting of a player with gameplay-denying tactics with no other objective other than to ruin the player's day) is a serious issue, and if you believe you are the target of griefing, please file a support ticket about it. [/list] Thank you, and please keep the thread constructive, with minimal slapfighting and namecalling. (Ed: reviewed some of my wording) Now, please tell us of mighty ISD that how suicide ganking is different from griefing? Suicide gank is the definition of griefing. There is no other objective than to ruin players day. There are no objective for making profit, or gaining mining area to their own miners.
Vapor Ventrillian The Scope Gallente Federation 147	Posted - 2015.01.08 23:26:29 - [245] - Quote No permit required as an eve mechanic slightly increased risk by not having one...bit like a cheaper module on your ship its still crap The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 239	Posted - 2015.01.08 23:28:13 - [246] - Quote Z'kroooh Ouau wrote: ISD LackOfFaith wrote: Quote: Forum rules Griefing (repeated targeting of a player with gameplay-denying tactics with no other objective other than to ruin the player's day) is a serious issue, and if you believe you are the target of griefing, please file a support ticket about it. Thank you, and please keep the thread constructive, with minimal slapfighting and namecalling. (Ed: reviewed some of my wording) Now, please tell us of mighty ISD that how suicide ganking is different from griefing? Suicide gank is the definition of griefing. There is no other objective than to ruin players day. There are no objective for making profit, or gaining mining area to their own miners. Quote: Griefing (repeated targeting of a player with gameplay-denying tactics with no other objective other than to ruin the player's day) is a serious issue, and if you believe you are the target of griefing, please file a support ticket about it. Like he said, specific targeting of a player with gameplay denying tactics unto that specific player. Yes the objective is to ruin somebody's day, but it's pretty easy to prevent. It's like me saying: "No, don't target me! I'm only here to fight NPCs in your -1.0 security space! How could you!?"
45thtiger 0109 AL3XAND3R. 145	Posted - 2015.01.08 23:51:15 - [247] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? Or goto 0.0 if you really want to mine in peace and join a major alliance. But the rules of 0.0 is always keep an eye out in local for hostiles. You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good. Welcome to EvE OnLiNe
Ferni Ka'Nviiou Republic University Minmatar Republic 239	Posted - 2015.01.08 23:55:10 - [248] - Quote 45thtiger 0109 wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? Or goto 0.0 if you really want to mine in peace and join a major alliance. But the rules of 0.0 is always keep an eye out in local for hostiles. You're no more at peace than in high security. If you apply the same 'check local' rule to high security, then you'll be well aware of possible ganks. Unfortunately a lot don't... And thus we have continued ganks.
45thtiger 0109 AL3XAND3R. 145	Posted - 2015.01.08 23:58:18 - [249] - Quote Renly Hagen wrote: Hmmm...I've never had a problem mining in either highsec or lowsec and have never seen anyone from CODE. Well watchout CODE might be after you next. You just open another can of worms ouch You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good. Welcome to EvE OnLiNe
Vapor Ventrillian The Scope Gallente Federation 147	Posted - 2015.01.09 00:02:20 - [250] - Quote Or miners could grow a pair and shoot back lawdy RAPTOR who shalt defend the sheep!?...and the raptor jesus said thus...protect them!? you art a fool, we must provoke them in order to draw out their inner doomkitty And the Vapor hath done so since The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be

Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 272	Posted - 2015.01.09 02:53:42 - [251] - Quote Vapor Ventrillian wrote: Or miners could grow a pair and shoot back lawdy RAPTOR who shalt defend the sheep!?...and the raptor jesus said thus...protect them!? you art a fool, we must provoke them in order to draw out their inner doomkitty And the Vapor hath done so since Haven't you heard, according to some miners are completely defenseless despite having the choice of using ships that have the ability to fit substantial tanks and bonuses to drone damage at the expense of a little yield. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 1040	Posted - 2015.01.09 03:09:24 - [252] - Quote I think it is neat you can have an alt or friend shoot you in a rookie ship spawn concord and mine in peace until concord leaves. Then when they do you just get in another free rookie ship and spawn concord again. I think probably the coolest thing is, for a small price you can keep that alts sec status mostly neutral which should totally be worth having the constant security of CONCORD around.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1971	Posted - 2015.01.09 09:29:12 - [253] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? You are not safe doing ANYTHING in eve that is done while undocked. Not only mining.. ANYTHING. But no do not pay attention to that mining permit bullshit. JSut go far far away in a remote corner of non pupolated territory and you chances of being ganked drop tenfold. "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1971	Posted - 2015.01.09 09:35:31 - [254] - Quote Z'kroooh Ouau wrote: ISD LackOfFaith wrote: [quote] Forum rules Griefing (repeated targeting of a player with gameplay-denying tactics with no other objective other than to ruin the player's day) is a serious issue, and if you believe you are the target of griefing, please file a support ticket about it. [/list] Thank you, and please keep the thread constructive, with minimal slapfighting and namecalling. (Ed: reviewed some of my wording) Now, please tell us of mighty ISD that how suicide ganking is different from griefing? Suicide gank is the definition of griefing. There is no other objective than to ruin players day. There are no objective for making profit, or gaining mining area to their own miners. Nope because they have other objective than to make yOUR life miserable. Their objective is a global scale enforcement of no mining in high sec. That is not griefing. I do think their work is made too easy by destroyers... but besides that they are entitled to play like that. "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 185	Posted - 2015.01.09 15:55:39 - [255] - Quote no code are morons, you don't need a permit but they have players that don't mine paying them to kill carebears (people that don't take risk) and are trying to run everyone out of highsec/ quit the game/ go to null sec I have a way to help you in mining as I do so if youll contact me ingame I can assist you there and tell you more. for the people that say this is a military economy, missions/ratting/incursions is all isk printing, making isk out of nothing unless you salvage too, Mining is not making isk out of nothing but getting minerals to put on market while some mins are flooded, all mins go into building something to blown up soon or later and disappears from the game, the isk to buy those does not disappear except in taxes, the isk just changes hands "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 409	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:08:05 - [256] - Quote Agondray wrote: for the people that say this is a military economy, missions/ratting/incursions is all isk printing, making isk out of nothing unless you salvage too, Mining is not making isk out of nothing but getting minerals to put on market while some mins are flooded, all mins go into building something to blown up soon or later and disappears from the game, the isk to buy those does not disappear except in taxes, the isk just changes hands Resources are resources friend. Every bit of ore you mine and put on the market devalues my ore - it's just simple supply and demand. You can't let resource printing like mining go unchecked or it will ruin the economy. That's why there needs to be both some risk, and some guidelines (AKA the Code), to keep miners under control. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
Varathius Blood Fountain Massacre LOADED-DICE 144	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:37:10 - [257] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: I got ganked today in a .7 zone and was told it is illegal for me to mine in high sec without a permit. (according to the new order on some mining bumping site). Plz give me honest answers on how i should continue my solo mining career. Am i really not safe mining anywhere? best thing is to give the alliance called CODE your exact location. They will for sure gladly be flying escort and protection duties for your needs, for a price.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7242	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:44:48 - [258] - Quote Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Am i really not safe mining anywhere? You are not safe doing anything anywhere "Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 2780	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:47:24 - [259] - Quote Z'kroooh Ouau wrote: ISD LackOfFaith wrote: [quote] Forum rules Griefing (repeated targeting of a player with gameplay-denying tactics with no other objective other than to ruin the player's day) is a serious issue, and if you believe you are the target of griefing, please file a support ticket about it. [/list] Thank you, and please keep the thread constructive, with minimal slapfighting and namecalling. (Ed: reviewed some of my wording) Now, please tell us of mighty ISD that how suicide ganking is different from griefing? Suicide gank is the definition of griefing. There is no other objective than to ruin players day. There are no objective for making profit, or gaining mining area to their own miners. Cowards like you are worse. Post with your main or go back to wow. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 2780	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:48:26 - [260] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Am i really not safe mining anywhere? You are not safe doing anything anywhere Lil Sol wants a vampire master. Any hints? Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!

Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7243	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:53:59 - [261] - Quote Sol Project wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Am i really not safe mining anywhere? You are not safe doing anything anywhere Lil Sol wants a vampire master. Any hints? When they want you, they will find you Or so Im told I wouldnt know anythin about nothin "Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway
Renegade Heart Failbear Refuge 351	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:04:04 - [262] - Quote Z'kroooh Ouau wrote: Suicide gank is the definition of griefing. There is no other objective than to ruin players day. There are no objective for making profit, or gaining mining area to their own miners. Actually you can make a ton of isk through suicide ganking. Most people will assume that a ganker is a part of CODE, but they forget that the ganking community is much larger than that. For example, you will have players who scan tech 1 haulers with alts, and then blow up ones with valuable loot, by suicide ganking it with a cheap ship. Then an alt will loot the wreck. You could easily make a billion isk in one hit if you get lucky, only losing some ship worth tens of millions. So you are mistaken in your assumptions about suicide ganking.
Zimmy Zeta Lisa Needs Braces. 53600	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:05:23 - [263] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Sol Project wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Am i really not safe mining anywhere? You are not safe doing anything anywhere Lil Sol wants a vampire master. Any hints? When they want you, they will find you Or so Im told I wouldnt know anythin about nothin If you build it, they will come. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1823	Posted - 2015.01.09 17:47:58 - [264] - Quote Z'kroooh Ouau wrote: Suicide gank is the definition of griefing. There is no other objective than to ruin players day. There are no objective for making profit, or gaining mining area to their own miners. The idea that PvP is griefing and the idea that the purpose of a game is to grind to gain virtual [something of value] seem to go hand in hand. When you forget that it is possible to play games for fun, you forget that people might just be doing things for fun, and start ranting about objectives. Also, no griefing in EVE . Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2015.01.09 20:39:58 - [265] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Am i really not safe mining anywhere? You are not safe doing anything anywhere Wrong. I can 100% guarantee you that a skiff fit with a DCU II, an AIF II and some shield rigs and mine in 0.6 or above you will not be targeted for a gank unless you either beg CODE repeatedly to try or fit extremely expensive storyline modules. It's just not worth it. Highsec as a whole is almost completely safe unless you are stupid or new and don't read forums, maps, local, or understand engagement mechanics.
admiral root Red Galaxy 2190	Posted - 2015.01.09 20:48:29 - [266] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Wrong. I can 100% guarantee you that a skiff fit with a DCU II, an AIF II and some shield rigs and mine in 0.6 or above you will not be targeted for a gank unless you either beg CODE repeatedly to try or fit extremely expensive storyline modules. It's just not worth it. Highsec as a whole is almost completely safe unless you are stupid or new and don't read forums, maps, local, or understand engagement mechanics. We're not the only people who gank. You're not 100% safe in a 1.0 using that fit, though it's highly unlikely you'll be ganked. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7257	Posted - 2015.01.09 20:51:16 - [267] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Am i really not safe mining anywhere? You are not safe doing anything anywhere Wrong. I can 100% guarantee you that a skiff fit with a DCU II, an AIF II and some shield rigs and mine in 0.6 or above you will not be targeted for a gank unless you either beg CODE repeatedly to try or fit extremely expensive storyline modules. It's just not worth it. Highsec as a whole is almost completely safe unless you are stupid or new and don't read forums, maps, local, or understand engagement mechanics. Yeah, cos CODE are the only threat in the universe. BTW Marge, Im being sarcastic. If you think 100% safety exists anywhere, you dont know what game you are playing. Also... if thats all you put on your skiffs, you arent paranoid enough. "Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway "A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2015.01.10 00:33:34 - [268] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Naturalcause Lemon wrote: Am i really not safe mining anywhere? You are not safe doing anything anywhere Wrong. I can 100% guarantee you that a skiff fit with a DCU II, an AIF II and some shield rigs and mine in 0.6 or above you will not be targeted for a gank unless you either beg CODE repeatedly to try or fit extremely expensive storyline modules. It's just not worth it. Highsec as a whole is almost completely safe unless you are stupid or new and don't read forums, maps, local, or understand engagement mechanics. Yeah, cos CODE are the only threat in the universe. BTW Marge, Im being sarcastic. If you think 100% safety exists anywhere, you dont know what game you are playing. Also... if thats all you put on your skiffs, you arent paranoid enough. Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Wrong..... unless you .... fit extremely expensive storyline modules. Oh look, you actually say you are wrong in your answer Its ok I forgive you People don't actually do that...do they? My point is that you can be 100% safe in highsec if you aren't a complete dumb.
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2015.01.10 00:37:08 - [269] - Quote admiral root wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Wrong. I can 100% guarantee you that a skiff fit with a DCU II, an AIF II and some shield rigs and mine in 0.6 or above you will not be targeted for a gank unless you either beg CODE repeatedly to try or fit extremely expensive storyline modules. It's just not worth it. Highsec as a whole is almost completely safe unless you are stupid or new and don't read forums, maps, local, or understand engagement mechanics. We're not the only people who gank. You're not 100% safe in a 1.0 using that fit, though it's highly unlikely you'll be ganked. Be honest though you guys are responsible for most of the ganking and you or anybody else is not going to touch a skiff unless it has zero tank or they've got super shiny things fitted. A t2 fit skiff with a DCU in 0.6+ is not going to be touched unless the pilot is specially despised.
Prt Scr 569th Freelancers 111	Posted - 2015.01.10 12:18:50 - [270] - Quote idealy you should tank your miner, so it takes as lots of gankers to kill you, the more the better. When you know the right peeps you can sell the killrights and make nice profits This is my signature, there are many like it , but this one is mine

Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1852	Posted - 2015.01.10 12:34:43 - [271] - Quote Prt Scr wrote: idealy you should tank your miner, so it takes as lots of gankers to kill you, the more the better. When you know the right peeps you can sell the killrights and make nice profits Selling the killrights of -10s sure is an honest business. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 14554	Posted - 2015.01.10 12:41:09 - [272] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Prt Scr wrote: idealy you should tank your miner, so it takes as lots of gankers to kill you, the more the better. When you know the right peeps you can sell the killrights and make nice profits Selling the killrights of -10s sure is an honest business. It actually is. There is no scam involved, because people pay without even being asked or motivated fo. Lots of idiots who pay the second they see you, without realising your secstatus and ignoring the message on screen. Happened to me mostly when I instaundocked. Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend "I like the idea of them being spread out" - Mike Azariah, no context. ;)
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7276	Posted - 2015.01.10 12:42:54 - [273] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: you can be 100% safe in highsec if you aren't a complete dumb. You fail english? That's unpossible. As is your assertion that you can ever be 100% safe. Especially in Hisec. Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Be honest though you guys (CODE - ed.) are responsible for most of the ganking and you or anybody else is not going to touch a skiff unless it has zero tank or they've got super shiny things fitted. The magnitude of how wrong you are is just staggering. "Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway "A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 14456	Posted - 2015.01.10 12:45:01 - [274] - Quote Sol Project wrote: Lil Sol wants a vampire master. Any hints? You need to contract Sanguinare Vampiris. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 14559	Posted - 2015.01.10 13:21:55 - [275] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Sol Project wrote: Lil Sol wants a vampire master. Any hints? You need to contract Sanguinare Vampiris. "Sanguinare Vampiris is the disease that leads to Vampirism." Ewww ... reminds me of how much I hate the Scroll in contracts. Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend "I like the idea of them being spread out" - Mike Azariah, no context. ;)
Brutus Utama The European Project Guardians of Serenity 0	Posted - 2015.01.12 13:42:44 - [276] - Quote As a miner myself who has had run ins with CODE, the best thing to do to deal with them is fly a proc/skiff.... the yield is slightly less and you have a smaller cargo hold but it will keep you alive.... i have been hit by 2 code guys once in my proc and managed to survive the encounter one even died before concord arrived..... flying an expensive exhumer (hulk/mack) is basically asking to be shot.... there is so many times when i have been on a belt and some gankers arrive and drop 2-3 macks/hulks within a minute or 2. If yuou fly one of the tanked ships (skiff/procurer) chances are they will leave you alone as its not worth their time... But as said above add them to your contacts at -10 and they will stand out when they join the system. Mining solo is better for isk etc but also gets boring i used to be a solo miner and then i joined a corp which is both more interesting as i now do other things rather than just mine and also gives you some friends. just be careful with the corp some are not in it to help other players but to help themselves. but if you find a decent corp it would in my opinion be a good idea to join, an orca boost can hugely increase you mining efficiency and some corps even offer a freighter to haul your ores for you (can save alot of time) Gankers just attack everything they might be able to kill if its worth enough isk. For added security mine in a system/belt with a hulk.... they will be the first target...


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