please allow me, as a representative of goonswarm federation, to apologize for using game breaking tactics such as "finding roles for low-SP doctrines," "making the game tolerable for new players," and "talking to people with the general goal of benefiting both parties"

Removed an off topic post.

Though you left the one right above you.

No Christmas gametime sales cause there is enough newbs jumping into the game to not give a **** about old players this year.

And now more cap nerfs, this **** is dumb.

So I guess this exploit splerg from CCP is more of an excuse for a nerf. Because if it was actually an exploit, and ccp cared about their game (which I guess they don't), they'd fix the bad code and not change some variables that leaves exploitable code in their game.

If I can get my sentries to recall then redeploy and engage and shoot in under their 4s ROF timer, say 3.5s, would I not be exploiting? What if I did this with Geckos, or Warriors, or ecm drones to get more jam cycles off? Aren't these all cases of exploiting? So why change only fighters/bombers at this point? Why not nerf the scan res of every drone in eve since they can all gain a DPS bonus from this exploit? Surely you'd have to rebalance the scanres on every drone in eve to fix this problem if CCP would rather not fix their code.

e: I think we should let Rise handle these changes so we can o7 drones completely like we o7'd RLMLs.

The primary goal of this change is to ensure that rapidly scooping and relaunching fighters and fighter bombers never gives a dps advantage. This practice has not been widespread thus far, but any possible advantage gained this way would both provide imbalanced DPS and cause significant server load so we want to nip it in the bud.

The changes will also have the effect of delaying the initial alpha strike of fighters and fighter bombers, especially against subcaps. Although it is not the primary purpose of the change we are not displeased by this effect, and we do not believe that it will make fighters or fighter bombers underpowered.

I know that some people who are hoping for a major nerf to assigned fighters will be unhappy that this change will only have a small-moderate effect on that activity. We have been keeping a close eye on the way fighters are used ever since our recent rounds of drone rebalancing and we aren't ruling out any potential future changes at this time. However we are not going to rush into any larger changes to fighter mechanics.

The new numbers are:
Type - Old Scan Res GÇô New Scan Res
Dragonfly - 200 - 100
Einherji - 350 - 175
Firbolg - 250 - 125
Templar - 300 - 150
Cyclops GÇô 250 - 27
Malleus - 300 - 29
Mantis - 200 - 25
Shadow GÇô 225 - 30
Tyrfing - 350 - 31

Thanks everyone, and happy New Year!

I feel that this is a poor approach that won't change things, so now instead of those assigned fighters killing you in 5 seconds, they'll now do it in 10. Bombers I don't see why they need a scan res nerf, bombers are not broken what is broken is drone assigned fighters to frigates and interceptors.

Firstly what should be changed is you should NOT be able to launch drones within 15/20/25km of an online control tower REGARDLESS of whether the forcefield is up or not, you should not be able to assign fighters effectively risk free next to an online control tower and just online the forcefield if someone comes for you. I would even further this by suggesting to make it 20/25/30 so you have to be a minimum of 5km off the forcefield to be able to assign fighters, again to prevent this relatively risk free use of fighter assigning.

Consider fitting target painters to your carrier/super if you're concerned about lock time.

Please explain how exactly this addresses stated exploit...

If new locktime > cycle time+old lock time then there is no benefit to a scoop and relaunch.

The issue that needed fixing was assigning fighters from the safety of a POS, how does this fix that?

Nerfing the scan resolution affects fighter and fb use in all situations, making fighters obsolete trash again.

This is a terrible change that fails to address the issue, and instead nerfs an already subpar weapon system even more.

If they are an extension of the ship, shouldn't they have a scan res equal to that of the ship that launched them?

Please explain how exactly this addresses stated exploit...

No, OP specifically stated that wasn't the aim

But people moaned here about it anyway. It was to address an 'exploit'/unintended mechanic to increase drone dps.

CCP Fozzie wrote:

The primary goal of this change is to ensure that rapidly scooping and relaunching fighters and fighter bombers never gives a dps advantage. This practice has not been widespread thus far, but any possible advantage gained this way would both provide imbalanced DPS and cause significant server load so we want to nip it in the bud.

I feel that this is a poor approach that won't change things, so now instead of those assigned fighters killing you in 5 seconds, they'll now do it in 10. Bombers I don't see why they need a scan res nerf, bombers are not broken what is broken is drone assigned fighters to frigates and interceptors.

Firstly what should be changed is you should NOT be able to launch drones within 15/20/25km of an online control tower REGARDLESS of whether the forcefield is up or not, you should not be able to assign fighters effectively risk free next to an online control tower and just online the forcefield if someone comes for you. I would even further this by suggesting to make it 20/25/30 so you have to be a minimum of 5km off the forcefield to be able to assign fighters, again to prevent this relatively risk free use of fighter assigning.