| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [6] :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |
Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
   |
Posted - 2006.09.19 09:18:00 -
[151]
 Originally by: Gunsnroses
Oh, and PS.
Ascn/ISS = pirastes.
ISS attacked our members in low sec space, we returned fire, and have since dealt billions in damages to iss.
Opps? Silly "neutral" iss pirates 
Ohh for heavens sake not this again. Pirates getting shot is what is called 'crime and punishment' not others being pirates. Don't like being treated as hostile then don't fire first.
ISS are neutral in the respect that they don't shoot people on first contact and wave instead. But if that stranger shoots them then that doesn't mean they have to sit there and take it and not shoot back from that point on. What is so confusing about that?
And I hear MoM state repeatedly that they are not pirates. Well then put your money where your mouth is and leave 9uy. Because as long as you are there assisting known pirates like Veto, as you have states as your reason for poking your noses in this affair, then you are pirates in my book. Plain and simple.
------
Shakor Clan Information Portal
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3 |
Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2006.09.19 09:19:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Helganstandt
..Well, as stated in a news bulletin, the reason we are contributing to this raid is to hinder what we consider to be breaches of ISS neutrality once again...
As ISS have already stated they are not neutral to those that are hostile towards them. In fact it was either CCK or Establishment (I forget) than seized ISS Condiso for a day due to some quirk of sovereignty claims (I am not clear on the details of how).
This invading force has not only a recent history of hostility to ISS prior to this conflict but openly attacked ISS ships in the openeing days of the invasion. ISS have explained this, I have explained this. Not sure what you are not understanding but lead elements of this invading force brought ISS into this conflict by their own actions.
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
Originally by: Helganstandt
..Also, the "evil pirate" bandwagon we speak of extends far beyond this localized conflict. Anyone who wants to justify a reason for trying to bring in help just has to shout out "pirate" and they will get supporters...
We all choose the path we walk. Your choices led you to where you are. Pirates are not popular anywhere except amongst other pirates. Those that help pirates will have their reputations tarnished by association. It's a hard life.
Originally by: Helganstandt
..In this case, you guys were able to get ASCN, AXE, ISS, and now CVA and PIE to come join in...
I heard something about ASCN and AXE coming to the fray. I have a few memos to catch up on. I'm sure they wouldn't want to be the next host to a hostile Nyx and who can blame them. As for CVA and PIE they are not our allies, they have always hunted pirates in Providence. Us too but there are more pirates than Ushra'Khan around these days so of course they get more pirate kills. But I have already covered the slaver / pirate thing in more detail than it should need. I'm at a loss as to why you still don't get it.
Originally by: Helganstandt
..Whether it's a valid tactic for survival, I am not going to argue with you about. But you can't tell me it's not a bandwagon...
Honestly then, what would you call the array of alliances and corporations that invaded Providence? We have all been attacked, we are all under threat, we are all fighting back. Did you hope to divide and conquor? take Providence as piece meal starting wit us? Sorry to dissappoint but too many have a vested interest in keeping you out of this region and none of us are fools.
Originally by: Helganstandt
I truly believe had some other alliance tried to take Unity, that ASCN, AXE, and ISS would have nothing to do with your conflict. Now that a group tries, of which some fly under the "pirate" flag, it's a huge problem and everyone wants to help.
Maybe, maybe not. It would depend. Of course nothing unifies resistance like flying into a region killing everyone you see then proclaiming that you will bring anarchy and death. Of course it's too late now, divide and conquor will not work and intimidation has failed.
Shooting at people makes enemies. Shooting everyone makes everyone your enemy. Make enough enemies and eventually you will get a group of them that have every reason to work together to fight you and no reason not to. Seems like common sense to me.
You lot brought this war here, it was your choice to take this path. You can withdraw any time you like. This is our home, we are going nowhere.
>> RECRUITING << |
Darius Shakor
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2006.09.19 09:27:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Helganstandt
Originally by: Darius Shakor
As has been said already several times the CVA and PIE were not included in defense plans. If they continue to fly around our area in this conflic that is at their own discression as one of their reps said a few pages back. And I admitted no such thing that it didn't do good I just said you picked a good day to move in. Well not you as MoM has been in 9u a grand total of 4 days. But you get the point... I hope...
No, don't really get your point as you don't have one. The fact that CVA and PIE just sort of show up out of nowhere is indicative that they were called in. You need to come up with a better story, and one that makes some sense.
Well thankyou for proving my point exactly. As said you guys just come swagering in and suddenly uou are all knowing about what is going on here. CVA live a few jumps south of Ushra'Khan and we are enemies. We have endured raiding parties from them all the time, a lot longer than you guys decided to put your hoof in, and you think that you are qualified to jusge that we 'called them in'? You know nothing at all and make yourself look like a complete fool with your assumptions.
Originally by: Helganstandt
Quote:
Ohh you mean like your side hasn't done? Sure... lets all waste our time on numbers that both sides are always going to contest. Or maybe your guys can wait to claim some victory beyond the small scale when your flag flys over our outpost and not our flag.
Then you need a new perception implant. The stats have been posted here. We're all using the FZN killboard, and reporting our losses too. You guys have specifically said many times that we're not posting losses, and yet you aren't posting your own stats. This tells me that you either don't have stats to prove we're not posting losses, or you're flat out lying. There's no other logical explanation.
I am not going to speak for my friends that have stated such stuff but I will say this as my own personal reason. What I dislike about all killboard debates is that no killboard is 100% accurate. Not even our own. You want an admission? We have always seen Ushra'Khan members who don't post for one reason or another. And not just losses but also kills as well. The only difference with me is that I actually recognise our killboard is only as accurate as the next guy. But your friends come in here dragging figures with them and claiming them as 100% fact. So I am saying that if you want to make yourselves look good, make sure you admit that it is not going to be accurate otherwise you are all just blowing hot air.
And if you even bothered to read Mangold's post earlier you would see we have backed it up to FZN that they have not posted all their kills. But it was done privately because killboards are not the be-all end-all of combat. There was not need to get into a 'well you lost this and didn't post it' publicly because that is just more fanning of the flames. You could inflict a total of 20 billion in damage to us vs 2 billion on your side for all I care but if you guys still fail to take the outpost and retreat then you have lost.
------
Shakor Clan Information Portal
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3 |
Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
|
Posted - 2006.09.19 09:38:00 -
[154]
The whinage level is going critical here.
Grow a pair, eh.
----------------------------------------------
|
Alex Tremayne
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
|
Posted - 2006.09.19 10:14:00 -
[155]
Could this whole thread not have been dealt with by simply saying 'No' and then shutting the hell up?
I'm almost embarassed to post here, what with all the epeen waving going on.
I think the general gist of what I'm trying to say is: No to the ransom, and fight the fight in space and not on the forums.
I, (and I suspect many others) would appreciate it if everybody on *both* sides could now STFU and stop making complete muppets of themselves in public.
That is all.
Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort |
|
Serathu
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
|
Posted - 2006.09.19 11:23:00 -
[156]
Locked due to OOC posting and excessive trolling and flaming.
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [6] :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |