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Verone	Posted - 2006.09.17 19:54:00 - [1] Hello, As some may know and many will not, full scale fighting broke out over ownership and sovreignty of 9UY4-H in Providence a little over a week ago. A loose coalition of Pirate entities numbering some 650 pilots came together to assault Ushra'Khan in a still progressing attempt to take over sovreignty of the system, and the UNITY Outpost. In the last two weeks we have seen heavy fighting, massive attacks on starbase structures and lots of violence. It's been great, and we're all having lots of fun fighting outnumbered and in a very hostile region. We thank all involved for their relentless persuit of us nasty pirates, and fun fights. Over the last week, we have seen the Interstellar Starbase Syndicate step in with the aim of assisting to drive our coalition out of the area. Further to that Sylph Alliance also arrived to assist ISS. Several days ago SMASH alliance were also hired to dispatch a capital ship fleet with the aim of reinforcing/destroying two large control towers. Today saw the another day of mindless fighting and violence (Encore!) with the arrival of members from Ascendant Frontier and Axiom Empire. Brotherhood of Steel as well as members of The Imperial Order, CVA, and even PIE Inc. have graced us with their presence for a short time, despite being mortal enemies of the very people we are fighting to remove, all adding to the fun and games. At present we stand no futher behind than when we initially attacked, and are looking forward to what the future will bring. History lessons aside and dragging our minds to the present and future, a lot of questions have been asked by Interstellar Correspondants, members of the defending organisations and residents of providence in general. What do we hope to achieve? To this we reply, our morals and goals are our own, however we will give Ushra'khan a choice. Pirates always have, and always will operate in Providence, this is fact. The intention of this release is to drop the ball in Ushra'khan's court, so to speak. We intend to remove the UNITY outpost from the posession of Ushra'khan, anyone can see that. However, there could be another solution to what people are calling a "Pirate Invasion" in providence. Since the assault on 9UYH-4 Proper started, we have inflicted over 16 billion ISK in damage on Ushra'Khan and those who have chosen to agress us in their defense, based on base mineral price with ship losses alone. As well as that several billion more are accredited due to the destruction of a large control lower during the process of constructing a Nidhoggur class carrier. All surviving construction materials, blueprint copies and minerals required were seized for our own use. On the negative side, we have also taken losses, which are fully expected taking on a prepared and well funded force in their home territory with a lot less pilots. We came here to fight, and this is what we are doing. The sheer numbers that are brought aganist us will not cause us to falter, they will not demoralise us, and they will not drive us away. Fighting outnumbered is something every one of us is accustomed to. And so to the choice that Ushra'khan has. We will accept payment to withdraw excessive hostile force from 9UY4-H, and you can go back to your lives as they were before our incursion. We will continue to actively operate and pirate in Providence, however will not harass the sovreignty of the UNITY outpost, and the system it resides in further. If you choose to accept this and payment is made, you will be informed of the withdrawl of siege capable forces. Payment for our withdrawl from attack on the outpost in 9UY4-H will be Thirty Billion ( 30,000,000,000.00 ) Intersellar Kredits, this price is not negotiable. BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
Verone	Posted - 2006.09.17 19:55:00 - [2] If Ushra'Khan decide they would rather not pay this price, then our harassment of the Unity outpost, and the outlying systems including Interstellar Starbase Syndicate sovreign space will continue, and increase. Regardless of acquisition of the Unity Outpost in 9UY4-H, we will continue to actively attack both Ushra'Khan and Interstellar Starbase Syndicate assets and members in Providence, and will expand our efforts across the whole of New Eden. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate have brought our hostility on themselves, for interfering with a war they need not fight. I can appreicate their worry for nearby outposts of their own, however our initial approach to ISS was not hostile, and we have had no choice but to act in this way. To Ushra'Khan, the ball is in your court. Do with it what you will. If you choose to accept, contact me to discuss further action. To the Interstellar Starbase Syndicate, your numbers mean nothing, and the blood of your members is on your own hands for your hostility towards us. Regards, Verone - Veto Madcap Magician - Finite Horizon Rawthorm - The Establishment Tbone - Finite Horizon Ange1 - The Establishment Soli - Ethreal Dawn Phelaen - Atrocitas RedElite - Coalition of Carebear Killers BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
Hakera Anari Higard	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:31:00 - [3] * Hakera smiles * getting desperate and looking for an easy way out before the many allies band together and wipe your pos out eh. I think you will find my old brothers will die many more times before they lay down to any of you pathetic scum.
DeMundus The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:37:00 - [4] /signed Abandon all hope But take care of teh cake!11 - Immy
Phelaen Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:00:00 - [5] Signed
DrSIn Amarr In The Face Productions	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:03:00 - [6] if spidey is there they will take the outpost dont ya worry ps dont pay them and lose the outpost much more fun that way
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:05:00 - [7] Now this is a ransom - if a little high, maybe. Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
Ricardo ilMagnifico Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:11:00 - [8] Ricardo hears about this offer and smiles. Hmm ... buy them thirty capital ships eh? These treacherous pirates can't be trusted. We fight on. You can't spell slaughter without laughter
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Ricardo ilMagnifico Ricardo hears about this offer and smiles. Hmm ... buy them thirty capital ships eh? These treacherous pirates can't be trusted. We fight on. well its win/win. bcus if we do succed. it will be the biggest brewery in providence! where pirates all over the globe can come and buy the rum!
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.17 22:00:00 - [10] The futility of the war does astonish me. Stand forward the alliance that will allow this group of brigands to operate in this corridor. Is there a paymaster behind all this posturing, waiting to receive UNITY station still soaked in the blood spilled here?

Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.17 22:33:00 - [11] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 17/09/2006 22:33:54 I would suggest that before trying to sell us unity back, you first muster the strength and organisation needed to take it from us. Sofar you have not proven yourself capable and have managed nothing more than a stalemate. Now Recruiting
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.17 22:44:00 - [12] , niceky written ranson message u got there ;), tho if id b UK i wouldnt even think of accepting tbh :P anyways hf there. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.17 22:45:00 - [13] The Amarr Empire itself never succeeded in breaking our will. We have eaten from the bin before, and survived - it holds no terror for us. You will not win. Outface the depths of evil with clarity
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.17 23:02:00 - [14] Edited by: Tar Kovsky on 17/09/2006 23:02:41 [Double post]
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.17 23:02:00 - [15] We will defend our outpost, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the stargates, We shall fight at the control towers, We shall fight in the asteroid belts and at the planets, We shall fight at the sun, We shall never surrender. And even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this outpost were subjugated and starving, then our people beyond Providence, armed and guarded by our allies, would carry on the struggle.
Malekin Amarr Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.17 23:19:00 - [16] I highly doubt UK will pay this
Masako theHumorless	Posted - 2006.09.17 23:23:00 - [17] This is the most pathetic sign of weakness I've ever seen. I hope UK, ISS, and everyone else continues to show everyone that terrorism sucks. Maybe the attackers will have the same luck of the defenders when it comes to POS sieges.
Astarte Nosferatu House Nosferatu Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.09.17 23:28:00 - [18] Good luck with your mission, was about time those Minmatar terrorists learned their place. The Sani Sabik watches this conflict with great intrest.
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.17 23:47:00 - [19] This is the most amusing piece of misinformation I have heard so far. First, there is no way the amount lost has totaled 16 billion. I almost wish it had. We don't even have that much. Second, we were not actually constructing a carrier. I know because the construction yards were placed by my corporation. Third, if we had 30 billion ISK which we definitely do not, it would be used for a much better purpose though I'd also rather burn it than give it to pirates. And lastly, Slyph, ISS, Imperial Order, Brotherhood of Steel, Axiom Empire (namely Mom and Pop's Ammo Shoppe) and Cobra Alliance and other independant corporations working with us have been here for a very long time so they didn't just join in the fight. Perhaps you should fire your spy for providing such poor information.
Sapphrine	Posted - 2006.09.17 23:53:00 - [20] You know, you raise an interesting point... how is it that everyone, including U'K's enemies are banding together to actually kill you pirates off..... surely it could be that, despite having constant ongoing hostilities with a number of groups and them having standing goals of wiping us out.... they'd rather see you lot killed :) I got to thank you pirates, you've given us a perfect excuse to get rid of you once and for all :) Anyone else want in to kill a load of pirates? :P

Tbone Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.17 23:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Derran This is the most amusing piece of misinformation I have heard so far. First, there is no way the amount lost has totaled 16 billion. I almost wish it had. We don't even have that much. Second, we were not actually constructing a carrier. I know because the construction yards were placed by my corporation. Third, if we had 30 billion ISK which we definitely do not, it would be used for a much better purpose though I'd also rather burn it than give it to pirates. And lastly, Slyph, ISS, Imperial Order, Brotherhood of Steel, Axiom Empire (namely Mom and Pop's Ammo Shoppe) and Cobra Alliance and other independant corporations working with us have been here for a very long time so they didn't just join in the fight. Perhaps you should fire your spy for providing such poor information. verone stated the 16 bil from our killboard of items/ships destroyed. and its not just UK if u look at the campaign. its all corps from alliances that have helped u. so u dont have to leave the page, ill post the numbers for u. 825 kills / 217 losses 16,951,296,770 ISK / 5,239,819,986 ISK not bragging, just making a statement. and also rem, u guys love to use tech I frigs. so hardly any isk lost there. ----------------------------------------------- Finite Horizon
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 00:01:00 - [22] There is another solution to this meat-grinder of lives and scrapyard of asset destruction - you go home pirate. Show us that you understand what the word freedom means, and take your bloody attempts at tyranny elsewhere. You claim you are out-numbered now - how does it feel? This war has gone on for months, and only in recent times has the balance of numbers turned our way. We didn't break when you out-numbered us, why should we line your wallets with gold now that others rally to destroy you? We have always had friends in the region simply because we don't attack them without due cause. This is our strength not our weakness. We are a small alliance because we only attract those with the same principles - the comittment to the fight for freedom. This too is our strength, its result is we do not break. Heres an idea, why not rustle up 30 bill off your own backs, find a nice location, negotiate with the locals (I suggest not shooting them first) and build your own Outpost. You can call it Yarrville and show the 'verse what a beacon of freedom it is. ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
MellaRinn Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.18 00:14:00 - [23] Edited by: MellaRinn on 18/09/2006 00:14:43 nvm Click
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.18 00:19:00 - [24] While the UshraKhan terrorist alliance is a scorge upon the universe I find these disgusting pirates even worse. While UshraKhan does target innocent Amarrian slavers and destroy Amarrian navy ships they generally leave neutrals alone. Unlike these pirates who destroy everything in their path and scream "YARR" in local as the cries of their victims are sucked out in the vacumn of space. God will deal with the terrorists in due time and the forces of Amarr will bring them to the altar of the Lord where they will bow in service and become slaves to be enlightend. Until that time however I view these pirates as people who interfere with lawful shipping, commit crimes, murderers and immoral beasts of sick desires. In other words just like most Gallante I've met. These battles by the pirates against the UshraKhan must end. You risk attacking Amarrian loyalist forces and invite counter attack. While the forces of Amarr would fight the UshraKhan be it known that pirates who threaten Amarrian interests and the assimilation of these Minmatar misfits into the Empire are also at risk. Gods work will not be undone by pirate rabble and greed. You too Verone will be called to account for your sins and God will bring forth his light to blind you from sin and show you what you have sacrificed.... your soul. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Daraleya Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.18 00:29:00 - [25] Edited by: Daraleya on 18/09/2006 00:29:53 Originally by: Karn Mithralia There is another solution to this meat-grinder of lives and scrapyard of asset destruction - you go home pirate. Show us that you understand what the word freedom means, and take your bloody attempts at tyranny elsewhere. You claim you are out-numbered now - how does it feel? This war has gone on for months, and only in recent times has the balance of numbers turned our way. We didn't break when you out-numbered us, why should we line your wallets with gold now that others rally to destroy you? We have always had friends in the region simply because we don't attack them without due cause. This is our strength not our weakness. We are a small alliance because we only attract those with the same principles - the comittment to the fight for freedom. This too is our strength, its result is we do not break. Heres an idea, why not rustle up 30 bill off your own backs, find a nice location, negotiate with the locals (I suggest not shooting them first) and build your own Outpost. You can call it Yarrville and show the 'verse what a beacon of freedom it is. --- Since the siege on 9uy began, we have been outnumbered so i dont get what you are talking about being outnumbered tbh, and considering all the help you are getting, you guys are not doing very good
Ricardo ilMagnifico Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 00:36:00 - [26] Originally by: Verone As some may know and many will not, full scale fighting broke out over ownership and sovreignty of 9UY4-H in Providence a little over a week ago. I hate quoting people but this is just wrong. This has been going on for nearly two months. Unless your definition of "full-scale" is restricted to some event that's just happened I'm unaware of Ushra'Khan has been officially at war since 31/7/06 and unofficially for much longer than that. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=372595&page=1#1 You can't spell slaughter without laughter
Verone	Posted - 2006.09.18 00:59:00 - [27] Originally by: Ricardo ilMagnifico Originally by: Verone As some may know and many will not, full scale fighting broke out over ownership and sovreignty of 9UY4-H in Providence a little over a week ago. I hate quoting people but this is just wrong. This has been going on for nearly two months. Unless your definition of "full-scale" is restricted to some event that's just happened I think the higlighted areas of my quote explain my reasoning. I speak of the deployment of starbase structures and the attack on Unity Outpost proper. BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
J4m Z Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.18 00:59:00 - [28] Originally by: Masako theHumorless This is the most pathetic sign of weakness I've ever seen. I hope UK, ISS, and everyone else continues to show everyone that terrorism sucks. Maybe the attackers will have the same luck of the defenders when it comes to POS sieges. Yes, the terrorist outfit known as Ushra'Khan will of course show "everyone" that terrorism "sucks". In the meantime, I recommend you lay off the boosters. ---- Be careful you have just entered Terrorbear stomping grounds....
Verone	Posted - 2006.09.18 01:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Archbishop You too Verone will be called to account for your sins and God will bring forth his light to blind you from sin and show you what you have sacrificed.... your soul. I won't warrent the rest of your facist rabbling with a response. However this part cought my eye. I can safely say that if I do happen to run into your "God" I'll be happy to tell him what an incompetent, brainless moron he is. As well as that, I hardly consider myself to have a soul. The things I've done, every one of the people of the Empire and our other three major sovreign states I've killed for my own personal revenge and pleasure, every one of them have proved that with their dying screams. Don't talk to me about morals, death and carnage you old scrote, I have little time for your brainwashed babbling and preaching. If I meet your "lord", I'll be sure to tell him exactly how much of an arse I think he is, and how much of a bunch of fools his so-called "Empire" without an Emperor are. I mean... assising the Minmatar? Really... and you call us heathens? The blatent contradiction of your faith that PIE and the CVA have caused by their mere presence, I wouldn't be so sure of your place in paradise when the time comes, you old fool. BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.18 01:18:00 - [30] Isnt 30 bil more than a outpost costs? Would you ransom for 200 mil an unfitted tempest you havent got scrambled? - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius

Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.18 01:39:00 - [31] smash was dispatched and sorry its 3 or 4 towers not 2
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.09.18 01:56:00 - [32] A simple Messege. Good luck Uhsra'khan.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.18 03:38:00 - [33] Originally by: Verone I mean... assising the Minmatar? Really... and you call us heathens? The blatent contradiction of your faith that PIE and the CVA have caused by their mere presence, I wouldn't be so sure of your place in paradise when the time comes, you old fool. What are you on about, pirate? The CVA has always run anti-piracy operations in and around Ushra'Khan space. Everything's a threat up towards Assah...no one is immune from our wrath. Well, unless you're docked of course. If you thought pirating enemies of the Empire would make any difference in our behavior towards you...then you were wrong. Evil is evil...and evil will be stomped out where ever it is found.
Kaname Chan	Posted - 2006.09.18 03:51:00 - [34] Edited by: Kaname Chan on 18/09/2006 03:53:15
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.18 03:54:00 - [35] Ah, my good friend Verone. I personally run ISS Consido and a corpmate runs ISS Fabrica. Should you actually try to take them over, I should warn you that the outposts don't belong to the ISS but to the dozens of wealthy individuals and corporations who own shares in the providence IPO. Piracy is one thing but the ISS public outposts are public property and civillian targets - trying to take them is just not cricket. Reputation counts for a lot these days. I know some of the corps involved in the unity affair wouldn't mind being known as the guys that hijacked public property for a few days but I've always expected a good level of decency from Veto. You must understand that as pirates, you're a threat to everyone in the region and neighbouring regions and there's so much support out there that you simply won't be able to take and hold an outpost by force. At the very best, there'll be some soverignty ping pong and you'll probably try to make a few failed attempts to sell the outpost since nobody in their right mind would buy a stolen outpost that is in the midst of a war. It's all terribly good training for our pilots, though, and I'm sure everyone's having a great deal of fun. Also, since you are a man of your word, I'd like to see an itemised list for that 16 billion isk figure. You wouldn't be lying or artificially inflating that now, would you? Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Dentad Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude	Posted - 2006.09.18 03:56:00 - [36] Verone et al, You really need better intel, better spies and better infiltration agents. Especially if are trying to get anywhere with the war. Unless your aim is to spread disinformation - then you're not doing too bad. But don't assume many are going to believe it. U'K can hardly be called terrorists just because they claim sov. Even more so when our policy is free passage to all neutrals. If you want to negotiate to regain your non-red status, we are always open to discussion.
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 04:17:00 - [37] OFFICIAL USHRA'KHAN COMMUNIQUE TO VETO "NO" TRANSMISSION INTERRUPTED zoolkhan begins typing a reasoning into the message transmitter.. "the invasion force is lead by EST not by veto with all possible respect to a formidable fighting enemy - we would not negotiate with the 2nd in command even if we would be interested." ..zool ponders, computer - erase. U'K recruit! contact me ingame for free eve webshosting
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.18 05:02:00 - [38] Edited by: Chode Rizoum on 18/09/2006 05:04:02 Originally by: Nyphur Ah, my good friend Verone. I personally run ISS Consido and a corpmate runs ISS Fabrica. Should you actually try to take them over, I should warn you that the outposts don't belong to the ISS but to the dozens of wealthy individuals and corporations who own shares in the providence IPO. Piracy is one thing but the ISS public outposts are public property and civillian targets - trying to take them is just not cricket. Reputation counts for a lot these days. I know some of the corps involved in the unity affair wouldn't mind being known as the guys that hijacked public property for a few days but I've always expected a good level of decency from Veto. You must understand that as pirates, you're a threat to everyone in the region and neighbouring regions and there's so much support out there that you simply won't be able to take and hold an outpost by force. At the very best, there'll be some soverignty ping pong and you'll probably try to make a few failed attempts to sell the outpost since nobody in their right mind would buy a stolen outpost that is in the midst of a war. It's all terribly good training for our pilots, though, and I'm sure everyone's having a great deal of fun. Also, since you are a man of your word, I'd like to see an itemised list for that 16 billion isk figure. You wouldn't be lying or artificially inflating that now, would you? We use the base isk price. set by the griefwatch boards. like the dread maggot lost yesteday. is 1,637,385,676 ISK.
Coverie	Posted - 2006.09.18 05:18:00 - [39] Edited by: Coverie on 18/09/2006 05:18:14
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 05:27:00 - [40] I to hate to respond with a quote Ricardo, but some of this rubbish can't be left unanswered. Originally by: Daraleya Since the siege on 9uy began, we have been outnumbered so i dont get what you are talking about being outnumbered tbh, and considering all the help you are getting, you guys are not doing very good I'm talking about the entire war scum. The seige on 9uy in which your lot finally showed there hand is a small part of the war so far. Talk us down and deride our efforts all you want. The fact remains we still hold sov, and we still kill as well as we are killed. You may care to consider that we don't just face FZN and Veto, and therefore your losses do not represent the sum of our accomplisments - or, to be fair, your victories the sum of our losses. If you (or any one else who cares) wish to contact me in private I'd be happy to provide you with last weeks tallys from our own records. Please, lets not get into a public ****ing contest pirate, it will only end with moderated transmissions. Besides, a war of this scale is not won or lost on fatalities alone. ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.

Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.18 05:40:00 - [41] Edited by: Seleene on 18/09/2006 05:43:17 Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Now this is a ransom. Agreed! For 15 billion, the MC would be happy to assist either side in shifting the balance of this conflict. - Help update the EVE History Wiki!
Lord Spidey Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.18 06:16:00 - [42] Edited by: Lord Spidey on 18/09/2006 06:18:51 Originally by: Karn Mithralia Talk us down and deride our efforts all you want. The fact remains we still hold sov, and we still kill as well as we are killed. You may care to consider that we don't just face FZN and Veto, and therefore your losses do not represent the sum of our accomplisments - or, to be fair, your victories the sum of our losses. Our kill database recently topped off by Maggot contain all kills AND losses from all allied forces involved in the assualt. In the future please check with your lord for the facts before posting senseless rubbish. If a meeting with your lord is what you require one can be arranged by the many forces under Miss Verone's Command Also now that I see Seleene in this thread dare I ask what MC forces were doing in the area so far from their current operation area of The Heap?
Gunsnroses Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.18 06:33:00 - [43] /signed
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.18 06:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Lord Spidey Also now that I see Seleene in this thread dare I ask what MC forces were doing in the area so far from their current operation area of The Heap? We had word that our current contract targets had moved a fleet to assist their brothers in UK. We sent a small force to investigate. Our information proved to be faulty, so we returned after taking in the local sites. We may do this again if we feel it is warranted. However, I don't forsee MC establishing any sort of real presence in the area unless someone decides to make it worth our time. - Help update the EVE History Wiki!
ParMizaN Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.18 07:01:00 - [45] A very interesting conflict; one that I believe the MC would be suited for once we are free of our current contract, hmm? sig edited for lack of pink really PINK -eris Pink is overrated, yellow is the new pink - Xorus XORUS!!1 HEATHEN KILLKILLKILLKILLKILL - Immy
Mynas Atoch Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.18 07:41:00 - [46] Originally by: Chode Rizoum We use the base isk price. set by the griefwatch boards. like the dread maggot lost yesteday. is 1,637,385,676 ISK. You see, THIS is why the powers that be prohibit numbers waving on these fora. OUR admiralty reports include multiple capital ships of yours that were cleanly ganked, yet miraculously were discovered intact again days later associated no doubt with dubious loss reports. And were it not for unprecedented instabilities and ruptures in the space-time continuum would include two others that were in structure when all ships in the constellation's control systems crashed. Given the circumstances, performance of the many inexperienced and civilian pilots from U'K and its friends has been acceptable, and losses managable. Destroying capital ships to have them reappear as if by magic, and assaults on defended POS rupturing space itself are our prime concerns, and the only reason you and yours have not been returned to lo-sec belt ganking and gate tanking you are most fitted for. Mynas Atoch, ISS Navy Task Force @ ISS Consido
LK52 Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.18 07:48:00 - [47] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Originally by: Chode Rizoum We use the base isk price. set by the griefwatch boards. like the dread maggot lost yesteday. is 1,637,385,676 ISK. You see, THIS is why the powers that be prohibit numbers waving on these fora. OUR admiralty reports include multiple capital ships of yours that were cleanly ganked, yet miraculously were discovered intact again days later associated no doubt with dubious loss reports. And were it not for unprecedented instabilities and ruptures in the space-time continuum would include two others that were in structure when all ships in the constellation's control systems crashed. Given the circumstances, performance of the many inexperienced and civilian pilots from U'K and its friends has been acceptable, and losses managable. Destroying capital ships to have them reappear as if by magic, and assaults on defended POS rupturing space itself are our prime concerns, and the only reason you and yours have not been returned to lo-sec belt ganking and gate tanking you are most fitted for. Mynas Atoch, ISS Navy Task Force @ ISS Consido You know just as well as I do what causes these ruptures in space. The intergalactic warpdrive engines which are equiped in every ship interfere the the fabric of every stars magnetic energy field. Less engines, less "rupturing space" -------------------------------------------------- Neglect leads to perfection. Stained.
Svabbzor The Kru Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.09.18 08:21:00 - [48] Edited by: Svabbzor on 18/09/2006 08:22:21 Originally by: zoolkhan OFFICIAL USHRA'KHAN COMMUNIQUE TO VETO "NO" TRANSMISSION INTERRUPTED zoolkhan begins typing a reasoning into the message transmitter.. "the invasion force is lead by EST not by veto with all possible respect to a formidable fighting enemy - we would not negotiate with the 2nd in command even if we would be interested." ..zool ponders, computer - erase. Originally by: Verone Regards, Verone - Veto Madcap Magician - Finite Horizon Rawthorm - The Establishment Tbone - Finite Horizon Ange1 - The Establishment Wizard - Without Reason Soli - Ethreal Dawn Phelaen - Atrocitas RedElite - Coalition of Carebear Killers Lord Spidey - Muffins of Mayhem Ehmmm.. All The Kru video's Signature file size to big, please keep it under 24000 bytes - Petwraith
Svabbzor The Kru Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.09.18 08:26:00 - [49] Edited by: Svabbzor on 18/09/2006 08:26:35 Double All The Kru video's Signature file size to big, please keep it under 24000 bytes - Petwraith
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.18 08:54:00 - [50] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Isnt 30 bil more than a outpost costs? I think that probably explains the high ransom

Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.18 09:05:00 - [51] Tbone is aliiiiiive. run. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.18 09:49:00 - [52] Originally by: Verone members of... ...even PIE Inc. have graced us with their presence for a short time, despite being mortal enemies of the very people we are fighting to remove, all adding to the fun and games. The presence of any PIE pilots in the warzone does not in any way indicate support for the Ushra'Khan or its inhumane policies. We are, however an organisation that has a history of fighting pirates, and this will not end just because pirates are fighting our enemies. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Scaramouche Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 10:30:00 - [53] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Originally by: Chode Rizoum We use the base isk price. set by the griefwatch boards. like the dread maggot lost yesteday. is 1,637,385,676 ISK. You see, THIS is why the powers that be prohibit numbers waving on these fora. OUR admiralty reports include multiple capital ships of yours that were cleanly ganked, yet miraculously were discovered intact again days later associated no doubt with dubious loss reports. And were it not for unprecedented instabilities and ruptures in the space-time continuum would include two others that were in structure when all ships in the constellation's control systems crashed. Given the circumstances, performance of the many inexperienced and civilian pilots from U'K and its friends has been acceptable, and losses managable. Destroying capital ships to have them reappear as if by magic, and assaults on defended POS rupturing space itself are our prime concerns, and the only reason you and yours have not been returned to lo-sec belt ganking and gate tanking you are most fitted for. Mynas Atoch, ISS Navy Task Force @ ISS Consido ROFLMAO I knew that somehow, somewhere, someone would find a way of getting that one in. BRILLIANT! And.... so true :P Remember, only dead fish and broken sticks go with the flow.
Tehyarec	Posted - 2006.09.18 10:46:00 - [54] Of course VETO, EST & co try to overglorify their actions, they're dirty pirates When there's a total system-wide anomaly saving them whenever they're in a tough spot, it's easy to brag how few losses you take. And Rodj Blake with his "inhumane policies" comment... pure comedy gold, looking at who it is coming from
Tecam Hund Minmatar The Buggers	Posted - 2006.09.18 10:50:00 - [55] My support goes to the pirate forces. Ushra'Khan speak of freedom, but know none. You are slaves of your own ideology. You are fighting to end slavery and in the process you kill thousands more than you could ever hope to free. CVA and PIE talk a lot about their God, and the way of the rightous. No evidence of this God exists, and you are doing nothing more but self proclaiming yourselves the dominant race. That is a fine dream, but dream nonetheless. The rest of 0.0 dwellers are slaves to the current alliance system. 0.0 civilization is in stagnation and everyone is too focused on pumping their pockets full of ISK to notice that they neither live nor have any real reasons to exist, for their initial dreams were crushed by the borders and rules that exist only in their heads. The only freedom is in anarchy. Only those who experienced it know. Give 'em hell pirates.
Riddari Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.18 11:15:00 - [56] This outpost will not be controlled by pirate forces. ¼+¼ a history
DeMundus The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.18 11:38:00 - [57] Originally by: Riddari This outpost will not be controlled by pirate forces. Seriously we are not pirates... Abandon all hope But take care of teh cake!11 - Immy
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.18 11:49:00 - [58] Originally by: Tehyarec Of course VETO, EST & co try to overglorify their actions, they're dirty pirates When there's a total system-wide anomaly saving them whenever they're in a tough spot, it's easy to brag how few losses you take. And Rodj Blake with his "inhumane policies" comment... pure comedy gold, looking at who it is coming from May I remind you that we have attacked just as many PoS as Uk have, if not more so this state of server instability has effected both parties so stop acting hard done by. (Infact we've lost 2 whole PoS to UK due to a bug so I think we have the right to brag considering.) Originally by: Riddari This outpost will not be controlled by pirate forces. Does the mighty Ascendant Frontier plan on taking it then? What would happen afterwards? Would you really want to defend this worthless backwater hole as part of your empire when your enemies come for you? I think not...
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.18 11:51:00 - [59] Originally by: Mynas Atoch and the only reason you and yours have not been returned to lo-sec belt ganking and gate tanking you are most fitted for. Mynas Atoch, ISS Navy Task Force @ ISS Consido The Establishment does not generally operate in low-sec, preffering the total anarchy of 0.0... as I'm sure ISS should know over the past year or so The Establishment is at your service...
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:04:00 - [60] This thread can be cleanly summed up as follows; Pirate coaltion: Taking UNITY is proving far harder than we originally planned. We don't have the logistics to out-POS spam UK, we can't take down enough of their POS to challenge Sov, and our killboard is a bizarre comedy sketch, which does not include all losses (check the Establishment killboard, its a complete JOKE with zero reported losses). At the end of the day, you're in no position to ransom UK's station because you are in no position to challenge sovereignty. Its like wandering into a lowsec system and demanding a ransom from everyone while hidden in a safespot. Its just strange. YOUR stated goal was to take UNITY outpost. This requires you to either POS spam or remove enough UK POS to challenge sov. You fail on both accounts. UK have actually strengthened their Sov claim while you have been there. I know ego's like the ones involved in your coalition find it hard to accept you cannot win a fight, but sooner or later you are going to have to face facts, and pack your bags. -------- On vacation from ISSN

Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:07:00 - [61] Originally by: Butter Dog This thread can be cleanly summed up as follows; and our killboard is a bizarre comedy sketch, which does not include all losses (check the Establishment killboard, its a complete JOKE with zero reported losses). Excuse me? Are you as blind as you are stupid?
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:11:00 - [62] Originally by: Rawthorm Originally by: Butter Dog This thread can be cleanly summed up as follows; and our killboard is a bizarre comedy sketch, which does not include all losses (check the Establishment killboard, its a complete JOKE with zero reported losses). Excuse me? Are you as blind as you are stupid? My mistake, I must have been confusing you with another killboard... faulty memory. Apologies. Either way, not all Pirate Coalition losses are reported and ALL of my other points in the thread (far more important than that one) still stand. -------- On vacation from ISSN
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:20:00 - [63] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Rawthorm Originally by: Butter Dog This thread can be cleanly summed up as follows; and our killboard is a bizarre comedy sketch, which does not include all losses (check the Establishment killboard, its a complete JOKE with zero reported losses). Excuse me? Are you as blind as you are stupid? My mistake, I must have been confusing you with another killboard... faulty memory. Apologies. Either way, not all Pirate Coalition losses are reported and ALL of my other points in the thread (far more important than that one) still stand. Apology accepted. If in doubt check the Finite Horizon Killboard as its the one we use to guage the performance in this war. (any personal boards are irelivant) All corp leaders do their best to transpose any loses to the Finite board however this coalition being made of so many small corps its easy to have one or two slip through the *****s. Send me any mails that are missing and they will be posted. As for your other points, we WERE threatening soverignty until ISS saw it fit to fund UK's pos spaming efforts. This has not hindered us however as we are slowing grinding your pos's down, while you fail to take down a single one of ours since the 2 bugged towers (even with hired help) Hell while we are on the subject i'd like to note that while UK are putting up a valiant fight, its ISS all the way that is desperatly trying to pull every string behind the scenes they can to stop us. Your throwing in ISK and every favour you can muster into stopping us and all you've done so far is burnt a hole in your wallet (a very insignifiant portion to ISS no doubt but alot of ISK none the less.)
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:26:00 - [64] Providence is a warzone anyway due to the presence of these terrorists and other pirates. The arrival of this "pirate coalition" matters little to the overall picture of stability in the region. Normal Amarrian patrols in the area will of course attack UshraKhan as they are our mortal enemies. Likewise pirates will also be brought to Gods holy justice. Sin is Sin is Sin. Some know only darkness and evil. God will be your cashier as you finish your shopping trip in the store of life. Will you have enough goodness in you to pay the bill? Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Yona Kibuto	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:27:00 - [65] Do not ask yourself what an amarrian do in UshraÆKhan. Ask yourself what an amarrian can do FOR UshraÆKhan! I am not a spy or a traitor. I just try to not have a existence in vain. There are no restrictions in the Providence about my nationality. In addition, for that I choose to be with UshraÆKhan! Not being pushed by politics and religion in my actions. I choose to be a free being. Now, I have a big doubt about losing the UNITY Station. That is because everybody will fight against terrorists. This will not be a pleasant time or place to fly safe in Universe, no matter that you are Caldari, Gallente, Amarr or Minmatar. You will have always the same problems in traveling safe. The terrorism have not place and must not have place among us. What happened now in Providence is not a new thing. However, in several times, the history teaches us that not the evil wins. Maybe the battle will be lost for us, but not the war. The WAR with terrorism and piracy is for ALL of us. If all the people from the Univers want to be pirates, I must say that I do not have my place here. I will hibernate in UNITY for always. I will not lose anything. A bunch of mindless pirates will not conquer my integrity in spirit and thoughts. Do not consider that is not your war. It will be soon enough. Believe me! Paying the ransom is not for ending this war. It will end for sure the existence of UshraÆKhan. DO NOT LET THE PIRATES WIN! FIGHT THEM!
dralid maximus Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:27:00 - [66] UK, dont bow for this pathetic attempt of ransom! Pirates are first never to be trusted, NEVER! And second, do not give in to your freedom, which you recaptured from the amarr ... shame to give it back to scum pirates!
Tomic	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:28:00 - [67] Originally by: Verone Pirates always have, and always will operate in Providence, this is fact. The intention of this release is to drop the ball in Ushra'khan's court, so to speak. Originally by: Verone Payment for our withdrawl from attack on the outpost in 9UY4-H will be Thirty Billion ( 30,000,000,000.00 ) Interstellar Kredits, this price is not negotiable. I'm sorry, what is the incentive to pay you the isk? So they can see you all in shiny new hacs, griefing them with even more ease? Personally I think you should be told where to go.
Traandus	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:29:00 - [68] Do not ask yourself what an amarrian do in UshraÆKhan. Ask yourself what an amarrian can do FOR UshraÆKhan! I am not a spy or a traitor. I just try to not have a existence in vain. There are no restrictions in the Providence about my nationality. In addition, for that I choose to be with UshraÆKhan! Not being pushed by politics and religion in my actions. I choose to be a free being. Now, I have a big doubt about losing the UNITY Station. That is because everybody will fight against terrorists. This will not be a pleasant time or place to fly safe in Universe, no matter that you are Caldari, Gallente, Amarr or Minmatar. You will have always the same problems in traveling safe. The terrorism have not place and must not have place among us. What happened now in Providence is not a new thing. However, in several times, the history teaches us that not the evil wins. Maybe the battle will be lost for us, but not the war. The WAR with terrorism and piracy is for ALL of us. If all the people from the Univers want to be pirates, I must say that I do not have my place here. I will hibernate in UNITY for always. I will not lose anything. A bunch of mindless pirates will not conquer my integrity in spirit and thoughts. Do not consider that is not your war. It will be soon enough. Believe me! Paying the ransom is not for ending this war. It will end for sure the existence of UshraÆKhan. DO NOT LET THE PIRATES WIN! FIGHT THEM! \
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 12:39:00 - [69] U'K is nowhere near loosing this system. We have stronger defences controlling the system than we did 5 weeks ago. We have been killing more tonnage than we have been losing for the last two weeks. Our capital capabilities have grown. We have more freinds than ever who wish to assist. However we do remain frustrated at the fragility of of our ship's drive systems. It is clear to all that attacking a defended structure is currently impossible. Maggot.
Spiderweb GENERIC RACE Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 13:09:00 - [70] Im sheding a tear for all those little pirate clones that are furiously trying to find an exit for their futile attempts to hurt those who fight for freedom. Poor malfunctioning on your cognitive subproccesors makes you see half of the picture I notice. No problems though, you are providing to this region a lot more than you actually hurt. We should be grateful for the ignorance of those who call themselves pirates, and gourge on their plastic pods as long as we are able to. I myself, was born caldari. But Its the meaning of ones beliefs that defines its origins and goals. You can poke all you want, but expect a punch to be coming... ----------------------------------------------- "Light, in the Darkest of Hours..."

Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 13:37:00 - [71] Originally by: Rawthorm As for your other points, we WERE threatening soverignty until ISS saw it fit to fund UK's pos spaming efforts. I think you'll find we're self-funded spammers. ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.09.18 13:47:00 - [72] Originally by: Rawthorm Hell while we are on the subject i'd like to note that while UK are putting up a valiant fight, its ISS all the way that is desperatly trying to pull every string behind the scenes they can to stop us. Your throwing in ISK and every favour you can muster into stopping us and all you've done so far is burnt a hole in your wallet (a very insignifiant portion to ISS no doubt but alot of ISK none the less.) Heh, funny. When I check the map it clearly states that Sov belongs to U'K. -------- On vacation from ISSN
Copenhagen Amarr JuBa Corp	Posted - 2006.09.18 14:02:00 - [73] How has the lag been over there? With all those forces shooting each other you would think the lag monster would be the only winner.
Dentad Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude	Posted - 2006.09.18 14:03:00 - [74] Originally by: Rawthorm Hell while we are on the subject i'd like to note that while UK are putting up a valiant fight, its ISS all the way that is desperatly trying to pull every string behind the scenes they can to stop us. Your throwing in ISK and every favour you can muster into stopping us and all you've done so far is burnt a hole in your wallet (a very insignifiant portion to ISS no doubt but alot of ISK none the less.) Re-read my earlier post on getting better intel.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.09.18 14:28:00 - [75] Originally by: ParMizaN A very interesting conflict; one that I believe the MC would be suited for once we are free of our current contract, hmm? Money. It's always money for you, then. I've got a feeling like there'll be quite a few of the K'in willing to come over there once free of the mercenaries - for free. -- Thukkers do
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 14:32:00 - [76] The FZN killboard is a joke. Last time I checked it (4 days ago) approx 50% of your losses were missing. That is only 50% of the losses I found on U'K killboard and personally know of where posted on the FZN killboard. Anyway, killboards deosn't tell the whole story. By the looks of it we still hold Unity and you don't.
Riddari Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.18 14:38:00 - [77] Originally by: Rawthorm Originally by: Riddari This outpost will not be controlled by pirate forces. Does the mighty Ascendant Frontier plan on taking it then? No ¼+¼ a history
Verone	Posted - 2006.09.18 14:40:00 - [78] So much hate, so much badmouthing... It's good to see we're doing our job. Originally by: Nyphur Ah, my good friend Verone. I personally run ISS Consido and a corpmate runs ISS Fabrica. Should you actually try to take them over, I should warn you that the outposts don't belong to the ISS but to the dozens of wealthy individuals and corporations who own shares in the providence IPO. Piracy is one thing but the ISS public outposts are public property and civillian targets - trying to take them is just not cricket. Reputation counts for a lot these days. I know some of the corps involved in the unity affair wouldn't mind being known as the guys that hijacked public property for a few days but I've always expected a good level of decency from Veto. You must understand that as pirates, you're a threat to everyone in the region and neighbouring regions and there's so much support out there that you simply won't be able to take and hold an outpost by force. At the very best, there'll be some soverignty ping pong and you'll probably try to make a few failed attempts to sell the outpost since nobody in their right mind would buy a stolen outpost that is in the midst of a war. It's all terribly good training for our pilots, though, and I'm sure everyone's having a great deal of fun. Also, since you are a man of your word, I'd like to see an itemised list for that 16 billion isk figure. You wouldn't be lying or artificially inflating that now, would you? Nyphur, if you would like to talk about irony, a "Very close friend" of mine happens to be a significant shareholder in the Providence IPO, as well as Marginis and Borealis, public indeed. It's humerous to see that the very people we fight allow our corporation to more than pay for our losses, and make a healthy profit without lifting a finger. As for me being a man of my word, I can assure you that's true. You can see a full itemised list of the 16 billion, now 17, at www.finite-horizon.com I also stand corrected regarding the involvement of SMASH, it was indeed three large towers they reinforced seemingly as revenge for our destruction of an enemy tower which was constructing a Nidhoggur class carrier when it exploded. However none of the three towers reinforced by SMASH were destroyed, so in effect the cost of hiring them was wasted. On another note, keep paying those dividends my friend, they're lining our pockets quite nicely. BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
Lord Spidey Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.18 15:07:00 - [79] Edited by: Lord Spidey on 18/09/2006 15:07:24 Originally by: Riddari This outpost will not be controlled by pirate forces. MoM arent Pirates. Rather ASCN/AXE are pirates for trying to enforce their will on the HED pipe Anyway U'K so far has done a goodjob as have ASCN/AXE/MC/Smash/Sylph/CVA/PIE/ISS/Other Random Do'Gooders. Hopefully the 9UYarea of space will be reinforced with more power from the great ones soon allowing assualts on static structures without destroying our nook of the universe. Yes the station is still in U'K hands, yes half a dozen 0.0 alliances and their lapdogs have held us to a stalemate with soverignty while we inflict a large amount of isk losses ,however; at the end of the day our unorganized band...many of whom have never engaged in an operation of this magnitude are STILL HERE.
Endless Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.18 15:08:00 - [80] Edited by: Endless on 18/09/2006 15:08:58 Originally by: Mangold The FZN killboard is a joke. Last time I checked it (4 days ago) approx 50% of your losses were missing. That is only 50% of the losses I found on U'K killboard and personally know of where posted on the FZN killboard. Anyway, killboards deosn't tell the whole story. By the looks of it we still hold Unity and you don't. Ok step up and send us the missing mails, we will happily post them and repremand the offending pilot. Or are you going to rely on someone else to do this simple task for you aswell?

Mynas Atoch Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.18 15:17:00 - [81] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 18/09/2006 15:18:11 Originally by: Verone I also stand corrected regarding the involvement of SMASH, it was indeed three large towers they reinforced seemingly as revenge for our destruction of an enemy tower which was constructing a Nidhoggur class carrier when it exploded. However none of the three towers reinforced by SMASH were destroyed, so in effect the cost of hiring them was wasted. Tell them WHY we were unable to finish them off Verone. Tell them about Saturday and the carrier recharging the first we ganked into structure for the clients and nodes to crash. By which time you had so many defenders present that an opposed attack would have resulted in node crash after node crash. Tell them about Sunday when key players clients freezing or crashing resulted in an aborted attack and a lost dread and still the node crashed. Tell them about the POS you DID manage to finish off where you were able to get your attacks in before the UK+ISS fleet returned from their day labours. Boast about schedules and spatial anomolies and magical returns of capital ships and serendipitous equipment crashes all you wish. You will not prevail. Mynas Atoch, Admiral, ISS Navy Task Force @ ISS Consido
Lord Wimbishi Caldari Wolven Elite Guard Ghosts of Retribution	Posted - 2006.09.18 15:21:00 - [82] I find this post funny. I've been following this conflict for several months now and remember 'you' pirates laughing, poking and other such crap when you 'added' your buddies in the fight over a month and a half ago and did nothing of the sort of complain then did you? Now that the residents and friends of UK are now getting tired of this crap one way or another and going against your attempts come on here after a time and whine about it. Thats all what this post is seen as from my perspective. UK & allies continue to give the scum hell. A bully isn't so much of a bully when the tables get turned around against his favor, you reap what you sow. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.18 15:21:00 - [83] Edited by: Gungankllr on 18/09/2006 15:23:46 The only reason I can think of that one would offer a ransom so much higher than the value of the item in question is to just show off. (i.e. "Look at me, I'm an attention ***") As it stands the situation is kind of like trying to rob a locked bank with all the guards inside, and you're beating on the door with a twinkie saying you'll go away if they pay you in ding-dongs. Hidden in this signature is a secret message.** I like pie.
Nick Curso Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.18 15:39:00 - [84] Yarr?
Naliana Gallente Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.18 15:41:00 - [85] Ah, such incredulous posturing by the pirate corporations here. You appear to have an almost lascivious desire to prove yourself to be 'doing fine', when in all reality, you aren't. Any losses you may have conferred upon the anti-pirate consortium of alliances defending 9UY, inflated or not, seem to be being absorbed quite happily. Even if, as you say, you've caused 16 billion of damage, it's hardly weakened things. If anything, more defenders arrive daily. You are like the hunter, who has come to attack the bear, only to find himself underpowered, so you stand up high and bellow loud, attempting to intimidate vacuously. But it will not work, we will prevail and you shall be driven from Unity and Providence will be made a safer place for all. Our endeavour will not fail. We are the resolute, the many, the proud. Providence is in the hearts of all, ISS, Ushra'Kahn, CVA, Sylph Alliance, and many more besides. We will not let these pirates, nay, terrorists, succeed in their actions and despoil what so many people have strived to create. It has been said, that all it takes for evil to succeed, is for good men to sit back and do nothing. Well, I intend to do whatever I can, to ensure that Providence, and the people that both use it, and live in it, prosper. Who's with me! ~ Station Manager, ISS Fabrica, Providence Region. --
Verone	Posted - 2006.09.18 15:42:00 - [86] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Tell them WHY we were unable to finish them off Verone. Carriers from FZN, EST and CCK arrived to remote repair the shields before anyone could launch an attack. Good timing on our part. Originally by: Mynas Atoch Tell them about Saturday and the carrier recharging the first we ganked into structure for the clients and nodes to crash. By which time you had so many defenders present that an opposed attack would have resulted in node crash after node crash. A system crash is not our fault, using a capital ship to repair the shields of a starbase is a valid tactic. Originally by: Mynas Atoch Tell them about Sunday when key players clients freezing or crashing resulted in an aborted attack and a lost dread and still the node crashed. Your fleet of battleships warped in INSIDE the gun range of a MATARI Tower when it was reinforced. Projectiles can still fire when the POS is reinforced. They then proceeded to run away when they realised their mistake, losing ships in the process and leaving an U'K dread behind. We tackled it and killed it as your fleet returned to defend, and the node crashed on your warp in. Originally by: Mynas Atoch Tell them about the POS you DID manage to finish off where you were able to get your attacks in before the UK+ISS fleet returned from their day labours. Again, good timing on our part which resulted in th siezure of the build components for a Nidhoggur. Originally by: Mynas Atoch Boast about schedules and spatial anomolies and magical returns of capital ships and serendipitous equipment crashes all you wish. I beleive it has been ISS bragging in local comms on Sunday about "crashing a node". Please take your rabbling elsewhere. BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
Nick Curso Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.18 15:44:00 - [87] Yarr?
INZi coracao ardente	Posted - 2006.09.18 16:03:00 - [88] free panties to all the lovely piwates wrecking havoc on such puny souls. this sounds realy interesting. my faith is with you gents and ladies of terror.
Mynas Atoch Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.18 16:10:00 - [89] Originally by: Verone ... using a capital ship to repair the shields of a starbase is a valid tactic. Of course a system crash was not your fault .. why do you wriggle so? The only reason you could use capital ships to repair the shields was our inability to kill them without crashing the entire constellation. As we demonstrated, to the detriment of one of your carrier pilots' underwear. No doubt had we succeeded in reducing the final points of stuctural integrity, as our own carriers' systems crashed many AU away, your entreaties to the gods would have been met with yet another preternaturally resurrected Capital Ship. Your tenure in 9UY is in the hands of the gods. The time will come when even they turn a deaf ear to your pleas. You will NOT prevail.
Ryn0 coracao ardente	Posted - 2006.09.18 16:18:00 - [90] Yarr!

Verone	Posted - 2006.09.18 16:33:00 - [91] Originally by: Mynas Atoch You will NOT prevail. So you keep saying... and we're still here. BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
Tizi Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.09.18 16:46:00 - [92] This has got to be the funniest post ever. Pirates who do nothing but attack folks in Providence. Then claim that because locals fight back, that the Pirates will continue to harass them. Oh and buy the way, give us Pirates 30 billion to fund our efforts. Simply hilarious. The only parasites in life that survive, are those wise enough not to cripple their hosts. Pirate corps would do well to remember this.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.09.18 17:00:00 - [93] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Mynas Atoch You will NOT prevail. So you keep saying... and we're still here. Well its not hard to sit at a POS. I thought you were meant to be taking an outpost? Sorry to break it to you but roaming inty gangs don't do that. -------- On vacation from ISSN
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.09.18 17:00:00 - [94] Originally by: Verone So much hate, so much badmouthing... It's good to see we're doing our job. Hehe. Now, correct me if I am wrong, but isnt your 'job' to take the outpost? And have you not failed to do this? In fact, isn't the U'K sovereignty claim STRONGER than it was before you began your campaign? There is no hate here, just a few raised eyebrows at your delusional posting and frankly comical ransom demand. Try winning the battle before you try ransoming, or you might just find you look rather... 'silly'. Here is a suggestion: why don't the pirate ego brigade accept an obvious defeat, and move on while they still have some residue of dignity. You'll not take the outpost, you're not capable. Go back to what you are good at. -------- On vacation from ISSN
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.18 17:09:00 - [95] Originally by: Chode Rizoum We use the base isk price. set by the griefwatch boards. like the dread maggot lost yesteday. is 1,637,385,676 ISK. I'm not familiar with griefwatch, never did like killboards. Does this mean you're counting battleship kills at about 100m? Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 17:28:00 - [96] Originally by: Endless Edited by: Endless on 18/09/2006 15:16:18 Edited by: Endless on 18/09/2006 15:08:58 Originally by: Mangold The FZN killboard is a joke. Last time I checked it (4 days ago) approx 50% of your losses were missing. That is only 50% of the losses I found on U'K killboard and personally know of where posted on the FZN killboard. Anyway, killboards deosn't tell the whole story. By the looks of it we still hold Unity and you don't. Ok step up and send us the missing mails, we will happily post them and repremand the offending pilot. Or are you going to rely on someone else to do this simple task for you aswell? After all my years of war I generaly find when all the enemy is bickering about missing killmails, they have alot more to worry about then a few missing points on a killboard. Done. Could we now leave the killboards away from this thread?
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.18 17:34:00 - [97] Personally, I think its all good. Much of the South is uniting against us evil pirates and I think thats marvellous... regardless of the outcome. Even polar opposite enemies (CVA/UK) seem to have put aside differences enough to combat the threat we're presenting. We can all agree the Lag has ruined many areas of this conflict, which is a great shame. On another note, less arguing, less smack, more fighting (to all concerned). The Establishment is at your service...
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 17:57:00 - [98] Originally by: Ange1 Even polar opposite enemies (CVA/UK) seem to have put aside differences enough to combat the threat we're presenting. To Clear things up, we have definatly not put aside our differences with CVA. If any CVA pilots enter our territory it will not be unchallenged by us. Our ability to combat the CVA has been reduced since your arrival and our focus has been diverted. This is all. Now Recruiting
Verizana The Kru Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.09.18 18:04:00 - [99] ^^ arrrr
Zlobodan Dahr Minmatar Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.18 18:08:00 - [100]

Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.18 18:10:00 - [101] My bad, I had heard down the grapevine that you had agreed to not shoot each other while this was going on or at least avoid each other. The Establishment is at your service...
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.18 18:21:00 - [102] Originally by: Verone It's humerous to see that the very people we fight allow our corporation to more than pay for our losses, and make a healthy profit without lifting a finger. Since the start of this battle, the ISS has personally destroyed more in isk value of your ships than was paid out to shareholders on IPOs. Claiming that the ISS shares are paying for 100% of your collective losses is incorrect, unless you meant specifically Veto. We know how much is paid out and when. I checked your killboard, and I believe you are misappropriating data from it. You said yourself that you have "inflicted over 16 billion ISK in damage on Ushra'Khan", while your killboard doesn't provide information on actual isk damage inflicted. Your killboard shows the raw market value of all destroyed items and ships, ignoring insurance (even the standard 40% insurance you get for free). You took a value for the base cost of everything destroyed, a commonly used measurement for comparing two enemies, and tried to use it to suggest that ushra Kahn are 16 billion isk in the hole since this started. They, in fact, are not. You know as well as I do that people reading that first post are going to think you're saying that Ushra Kahn have lost 16 billion. Whether you said that deliberately or it was a poor choice of words will determine your honesty, though I'd err on the side of you being honest since I know you're a man of your word. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
xHoodx The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.18 18:35:00 - [103] The bit about the 16b isk seems pretty straightforward to me tbh. As that one is inflated due to insurance so are the losses as well. You have the option to forward mails to people who have offered to post them up for you to make the tally as close to 100% accurate as possible. This is the time to show how much losses you're actually inflicting on us by handing over mails you think haven't been posted. I assume you care about the accuracy as you are here complaining about it, so this shouldn't be too much to ask. Depending on how many mails it is of course Other then that.. keep the good fights coming, there has been some and I'm sure there are more to come Oh and keep the Butter Dog on a leash or you get a fine from concord
Ben Hump Minmatar The Kru Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.09.18 18:37:00 - [104] dont u just love killboard smack omg ur killboard is wrong no stfu noob its not 14 gazzillion its only 13 noob hahaha u got pizzaowned there and btw guys dont claim that we have lost until we have lost our poses and retracted out of the system so gets ur facts straight u'k and their friends haven¦t been able to kill a pos period (the bugged poses are not counting here) but we have destroyed a few from u'k and i dont care if u'k have 2 more pos now then 2 years ago because obviously we are inflicting huge isk loss here (i know we have lost ships to ffs) so can we plz keep the killboards out of this stop smacking on the forums and fight and have some fun in the game because after all its only a game May contain traces of irony, period and enter do not belong on my keyboard "Yes Mister Tristan"
Svabbzor The Kru Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.09.18 18:51:00 - [105] Well you look at the bs lossess... How about the tech II fitted on the ships and the tech II ships. The base price also has items to low so the high loss of bs comes back there maybe? Zealot 19m Flycatcher Would be nice if the rocket launchers were at 36k on market :P Tech II fitted taranis for only 3m o.0 Falcon+cov ops cloak 18m Cov ops cloak under 2m... All The Kru video's Signature file size to big, please keep it under 24000 bytes - Petwraith
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 18:52:00 - [106] Originally by: Verone .... I also stand corrected regarding the involvement of SMASH, it was indeed three large towers they reinforced seemingly as revenge for our destruction of an enemy tower which was constructing a Nidhoggur class carrier when it exploded. I said it earlier and I will say it again. Maybe a bit more simply this time so the short attention spans and simple minds can understand. My corporation was NOT constructing a carrier. Capital ship components were destroyed, yes, but there was no carrier being constructed since there were not enough parts available to actually build one. Like I said before, you simple minded, short sighted buffoon, you should get rid of your spy for providing inaccurate information.
SaltandPepper Divitarum Carta Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:05:00 - [107] agree @ange1 stop crying rivers and smacking monkeys. Show a bit more sportmanship in this great party in providence. i wouldn¦t wonder if even BoB will fight next week for UK :P Roses are red, violets are blue, and all ya base are belong to me.
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:16:00 - [108] Ben, If you wanted to keep killboards out of it maybe your leaders should have avoided making such insane claims in the first place. U'K is killing more than we are losing. I am very happy about the quality of that data. Originally by: Lord Spidey however; at the end of the day our unorganized band...many of whom have never engaged in an operation of this magnitude are STILL HERE. Well done Muffin's you have been here four whole days now. Stick in there! Whoever the "mastermind" is behind all this they have seriously screwed up and should be shot. Who are you going to drag into this affair next? Who are you going to hire next to save face? Its becoming embarassing.
LK52 Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:21:00 - [109] Originally by: Maggot Who are you going to drag into this affair next? Who are you going to hire next to save face? Its becoming embarassing. Pot. Kettle. Black. -------------------------------------------------- Neglect leads to perfection. Stained.
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:28:00 - [110] I wonder at what point the frequency of "spatial anomalies" and "total system crashes" causing losses for one side and not the other stop being just merely coincidence. Just food for thought. ________________________________

Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:36:00 - [111] Originally by: LK52 Originally by: Maggot Who are you going to drag into this affair next? Who are you going to hire next to save face? Its becoming embarassing. Pot. Kettle. Black. What little you know is that a month before you moved in force we heard this was going to happen and formed our alliance with ISS, Slyph, Imperial Order and a whole other bunch of hitters in the region before FZN even showed up. The only thing we lacked was a date for the initial push which, ok hats off, you picked an odd day and time for it. But everyone seems to be approaching the fact that we have allies as if we rushed to call for aid the day you guys cynoed in your dreads and pos launchers. They were waiting for over a month though and we have not added to our group ever since. Some have taken longer to move in our aid than others so they show up at different times. Unlike the pirates that seem to be gathering one corp after another as more and more of you jump on the band waggon and head our way to inflate these inaccurate and pointless measuring sticks called killboards. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3
xHoodx The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:40:00 - [112] Originally by: Maggot Ben, If you wanted to keep killboards out of it maybe your leaders should have avoided making such insane claims in the first place. U'K is killing more than we are losing. I am very happy about the quality of that data. Wanna back your statements up by actually sending the missing mails to the appropriate people so that they can be posted on our boards as well, Maggot? If I were to base an opinion of how many kills uk have on what I've seen personally I'd say you're way off on your own claims. Shouldn't be too hard to prove if I'm right or not tho by digging up the offending mails.
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:45:00 - [113] Originally by: xHoodx Originally by: Maggot Ben, If you wanted to keep killboards out of it maybe your leaders should have avoided making such insane claims in the first place. U'K is killing more than we are losing. I am very happy about the quality of that data. Wanna back your statements up by actually sending the missing mails to the appropriate people so that they can be posted on our boards as well, Maggot? If I were to base an opinion of how many kills uk have on what I've seen personally I'd say you're way off on your own claims. Shouldn't be too hard to prove if I'm right or not tho by digging up the offending mails. No, I have better things to do.
LK52 Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:48:00 - [114] Originally by: Darius Shakor Originally by: LK52 Originally by: Maggot Who are you going to drag into this affair next? Who are you going to hire next to save face? Its becoming embarassing. Pot. Kettle. Black. What little you know is that a month before you moved in force we heard this was going to happen and formed our alliance with ISS, Slyph, Imperial Order and a whole other bunch of hitters in the region before FZN even showed up. The only thing we lacked was a date for the initial push which, ok hats off, you picked an odd day and time for it. But everyone seems to be approaching the fact that we have allies as if we rushed to call for aid the day you guys cynoed in your dreads and pos launchers. They were waiting for over a month though and we have not added to our group ever since. Some have taken longer to move in our aid than others so they show up at different times. Unlike the pirates that seem to be gathering one corp after another as more and more of you jump on the band waggon and head our way to inflate these inaccurate and pointless measuring sticks called killboards. No where in the quote does mention anything about friends, but rather those hired. We havn't spent an isk getting other parties to join us, but you on the other hand... SMASH? -------------------------------------------------- Neglect leads to perfection. Stained.
Sykosys Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:50:00 - [115] Edited by: Sykosys on 18/09/2006 19:53:01 Ah this is very comical. First I need to adress this CVA helping UK statement to be utter rubish. Last time I was in nakah yesterday I was attacked by CVA without fail. I was in a prowler and managed to escape. When I see CVA in local and am not in a combat ship I obviously will not engage. This attempt at ransom is well silly. To your ransom I say NO. Ummm and why are people dragging killboard stats in. Inflated or not who cares. Shall I list all the ships I have lost to you guys?? I will not simply because the forums don't go that far. (Edit:: On our killboards I am top 10 with most losses) Who cares about ship losses, in the end UK still owns UNITY station. And has sov of 9UY. No amount of killboard stats can refute this.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:52:00 - [116] If you want to argue specifics, you didn't even mentioned hired hands either so lets not start pulling at thin threads. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:53:00 - [117] Originally by: Darius Shakor What little you know is that a month before you moved in force we heard this was going to happen and formed our alliance with ISS, Slyph, Imperial Order and a whole other bunch of hitters in the region before FZN even showed up. The only thing we lacked was a date for the initial push which, ok hats off, you picked an odd day and time for it. But everyone seems to be approaching the fact that we have allies as if we rushed to call for aid the day you guys cynoed in your dreads and pos launchers. They were waiting for over a month though and we have not added to our group ever since. Some have taken longer to move in our aid than others so they show up at different times. Unlike the pirates that seem to be gathering one corp after another as more and more of you jump on the band waggon and head our way to inflate these inaccurate and pointless measuring sticks called killboards. Assuming that is true (and I'm making a BIG leap in the assumption that CVA and PIE inc. were helping you plan for this) even then, you're admitting that it didn't do a lot of good. And that aside, you guys keep mentioning that killboards aren't accurate, and lot of other propoganda. Usually it is good form when countering a claim to back yourself up with statistics to prove your claim (you know, like actual numbers, not words that in your mind magically hold truth.) We have yet to see anything of this sort from your side. We're all reasonable individuals, I'm sure you could convince us that you guys aren't losing lots of isk and assets if you provided some proof. We've all got time if you need to take some to dig up some numbers. ________________________________
Tehyarec	Posted - 2006.09.18 19:54:00 - [118] From what I understood from previous post the FZN killboard was supposed to be the main board used by the pirate coalition, so from that you get the impression that everyone's doings should be there. Sure aren't at the moment. Regarding the missing killmails, I can say for certain on my part that on the FZN killboard I'm only listed in 3 kills, while I've been a part of at least 4 more that I can think of off the top of my head (granted, they've been in part smaller kills - one BS, two AFs and a Rifter, but everything counts when it comes to accuracy). If the ratio is the same for others, well, I can assume a lot of stuff is missing indeed. And why should U'K or anyone else in the anti-pirate coalition bother to prove a point by sending you the mails and go through all that trouble, when you are failing to do it yourself to begin with, thus basically falsifying data and then making claims based on that falsified data? But in the end as others have said already, no matter what the killboards show, the anti-pirate coalition still has as firm a grip as ever on the system and the outpost. Based on that, this ransom claim really is quite laughable.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 20:00:00 - [119] Originally by: Helganstandt Assuming that is true (and I'm making a BIG leap in the assumption that CVA and PIE inc. were helping you plan for this) even then, you're admitting that it didn't do a lot of good. As has been said already several times the CVA and PIE were not included in defense plans. If they continue to fly around our area in this conflic that is at their own discression as one of their reps said a few pages back. And I admitted no such thing that it didn't do good I just said you picked a good day to move in. Well not you as MoM has been in 9u a grand total of 4 days. But you get the point... I hope... Originally by: Helganstandt Usually it is good form when countering a claim to back yourself up with statistics to prove your claim (you know, like actual numbers, not words that in your mind magically hold truth.) We have yet to see anything of this sort from your side. Ohh you mean like your side hasn't done? Sure... lets all waste our time on numbers that both sides are always going to contest. Or maybe your guys can wait to claim some victory beyond the small scale when your flag flys over our outpost and not our flag. Originally by: Helganstandt We've all got time if you need to take some to dig up some numbers. No I would rather stick with Maggots reply to someone else and say: "No, I have better things to do." ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3
Ben Hump Minmatar The Kru Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.09.18 20:19:00 - [120] i hear alot of angry men here URGHHH!!! SO MAD!!! PIRATES SUCK!!! ok that's out of my system so shall we go on with the fights and may the best man /women win and i dont care what other ppl said about the killboards maggot the fact is i'm not them and i'm asking everyone to not drag some OMGLEET killboard warfare tactics into this kthxbye that's all i have to say May contain traces of irony, period and enter do not belong on my keyboard "Yes Mister Tristan"

Lord Spidey Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.18 20:31:00 - [121] Edited by: Lord Spidey on 18/09/2006 20:31:19 Task Force 'BlueBerry' consisting of 13 MoM pilots just intercepted an ISS gang of 41 people in KDF leaving to assist in 9UY. Upon our arrival in system the ISS Taskforce consisting of 41 people immediately and unconditionally docked leaving us with nothing to prey upon but those slow to warp or to far away to dock. After popping numerous frigs that continued to undock to conduct scouting operations we have decided to leave the area and seek greener pastures Task Force 'BlueBerry" will now continue roaming the area and tryto disrupt all ISS gangs trying to head up towards the site of the conflict
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 20:33:00 - [122] Lets drop this killboard show off please? I've backed my words with killmails (to Endless) and even though they are insignificant in this fight it still shows that the pirate alliance killboard is not accurate enough to use it to talk about killratio. I don't think any killboard is accurate enough for that tbh.
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.18 21:04:00 - [123] tbh. i dont know if we will win... but we will sure as hell try VIVA !
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.18 21:15:00 - [124] I thought the idea of a ransom was that you had to pose some sort of threat to the thing being ransommed? --------------------------------------------------------------------
Svabbzor The Kru Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.09.18 21:27:00 - [125] Originally by: Maggot U'K is killing more than we are losing. I am very happy about the quality of that data. Just a friendly reminder that in our killboard if you go to the campaign "UK kills"=how many we have killed and "UK losses"=how many we have lost to UK I dont understand why it appears like this just wanted to make sure you understand it also All The Kru video's Signature file size to big, please keep it under 24000 bytes - Petwraith
Verizana The Kru Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.09.18 21:52:00 - [126] Originally by: ReaperOfSly I thought the idea of a ransom was that you had to pose some sort of threat to the thing being ransommed? dont act like you dont know baby. we're high enough threat for getting Ushra'Khan's backup ffs. I dont think you could be so chilled about it as you are trying to let your self seem to be in here.
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:03:00 - [127] Originally by: Ange1 Personally, I think its all good. Much of the South is uniting against us evil pirates and I think thats marvellous... regardless of the outcome. Even polar opposite enemies (CVA/UK) seem to have put aside differences enough to combat the threat we're presenting. We can all agree the Lag has ruined many areas of this conflict, which is a great shame. On another note, less arguing, less smack, more fighting (to all concerned). CVA and UK have definately not put aside our differences, the war is still active and patrols of low security space around the Bleak Lands and Amatar space continue as they have done for the last three years or so. Ofcourse now that you are in the area aswel we must purely be their for your benefit. Veto declared open hostilities against the CVA and are thus shot at. The Establishment have been openly hostile to the CVA for along time and are thus shot at. Muffins of Mayhem are known pirates from around low sec Amarr space and are thus shot at. Executive Outcomes vessels entered CVA space and opened fire on CVA vessels and are thus shot at.
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:11:00 - [128] Originally by: Svabbzor Originally by: Maggot U'K is killing more than we are losing. I am very happy about the quality of that data. Just a friendly reminder that in our killboard if you go to the campaign "UK kills"=how many we have killed and "UK losses"=how many we have lost to UK I dont understand why it appears like this just wanted to make sure you understand it also You didn't read my post did you? Post your losses or stay away from this.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:25:00 - [129] Originally by: Verizana Originally by: ReaperOfSly I thought the idea of a ransom was that you had to pose some sort of threat to the thing being ransommed? dont act like you dont know baby. we're high enough threat for getting Ushra'Khan's backup ffs. I dont think you could be so chilled about it as you are trying to let your self seem to be in here. Don't be so condescending. Last time I checked, it was a stalemate. And since you have not demonstrated enough firepower to break the stalemate, I find it unlikely you will ever get your hands on that outpost. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbone Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:34:00 - [130] ----------------------------------------------- Finite Horizon

Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:41:00 - [131] Originally by: Darius Shakor As has been said already several times the CVA and PIE were not included in defense plans. If they continue to fly around our area in this conflic that is at their own discression as one of their reps said a few pages back. And I admitted no such thing that it didn't do good I just said you picked a good day to move in. Well not you as MoM has been in 9u a grand total of 4 days. But you get the point... I hope... No, don't really get your point as you don't have one. The fact that CVA and PIE just sort of show up out of nowhere is indicative that they were called in. You need to come up with a better story, and one that makes some sense. Quote: Ohh you mean like your side hasn't done? Sure... lets all waste our time on numbers that both sides are always going to contest. Or maybe your guys can wait to claim some victory beyond the small scale when your flag flys over our outpost and not our flag. Then you need a new perception implant. The stats have been posted here. We're all using the FZN killboard, and reporting our losses too. You guys have specifically said many times that we're not posting losses, and yet you aren't posting your own stats. This tells me that you either don't have stats to prove we're not posting losses, or you're flat out lying. There's no other logical explanation. Quote: No I would rather stick with Maggots reply to someone else and say: "No, I have better things to do." If you had better things to do, why are you arguing in the first place? ________________________________
Majaraw Awalabas Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:54:00 - [132] Originally by: Helganstandt No, don't really get your point as you don't have one. The fact that CVA and PIE just sort of show up out of nowhere is indicative that they were called in. PIE and the CVA have patrolled the heathen lands, the holy lands and places inhibited by heretics for years. A pup as yourself would do well in versing yourself in history as well as seeking spiritual counsel.
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.18 23:20:00 - [133] Edited by: mishkof on 18/09/2006 23:23:46 I love how the word pirate is thrown around so much. Whos gate camps do we consistently break up in HED? Who shoots at whataver pod pilot isnt their lap dog? The people throwing mud should really reign in their "wannabes" before making such accusations. Just because MOM doasnt want to mine ice for 20 hours a week to get the approval of a super alliance/coalition doasnt mean we are pirates either. Sorry tried the "you mine ice 20 hours a week for us or are KOS" thing.....I like it here better.
Malena Panic Gallente Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.18 23:54:00 - [134] Originally by: mishkof Edited by: mishkof on 18/09/2006 23:23:46 I love how the word pirate is thrown around so much. If you object to the term, you might want to have a word with your puppet master. Originally by: Verone A loose coalition of Pirate entities numbering some 650 pilots came together to assault Ushra'Khan in a still progressing attempt to take over sovreignty of the system, and the UNITY Outpost.
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.18 23:58:00 - [135] Originally by: Malena Panic Originally by: mishkof Edited by: mishkof on 18/09/2006 23:23:46 I love how the word pirate is thrown around so much. If you object to the term, you might want to have a word with your puppet master. Originally by: Verone A loose coalition of Pirate entities numbering some 650 pilots came together to assault Ushra'Khan in a still progressing attempt to take over sovreignty of the system, and the UNITY Outpost. Reread my post - I have no masters, puppet or otherwise.
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.19 01:35:00 - [136] Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas Originally by: Helganstandt No, don't really get your point as you don't have one. The fact that CVA and PIE just sort of show up out of nowhere is indicative that they were called in. PIE and the CVA have patrolled the heathen lands, the holy lands and places inhibited by heretics for years. A pup as yourself would do well in versing yourself in history as well as seeking spiritual counsel. I'm sorry, if you were indeed there only to shoot heathens, you would have come in and shot everyone, not just the coalition. I didn't see you shooting UK, unless I am mistaken. If that is the case, by all eve-mail me the killmails of UK people these past few nights in 9uy, and I will conceed on that point. And I'm by no means a "pup" as you have stated. It will do you, as well as CVA well to recongize this before losing anymore Navy Issue Ravens. ________________________________
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.19 03:04:00 - [137] Originally by: Chode Rizoum tbh. i dont know if we will win... but we will sure as hell try VIVA ! At last a simple and honest statement amongst all the statisticians and propaganda writers. You will try and we will do everything in our power to stop you. This war will not be won on the killboards. It does not matter if we lose a hundred ships for every one of yours as long as we hold Unity. I will not make claims as for our battle effectiveness to date since they will only cause more pointless argument with the rabble amongst the enemy. Something true warriors like Captain Rizoum understand. On the matter of the slavers shooting at the pirates. The slavers have always hunted pirates as much as they have hunted us freedom fighters. Just because we share a common enemy does not make us allies. The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy. As for all our allies in the region, well that is to be expected when you understand how Providence works. There are numerous groups who live in the region and many did so long before the Ushra'Khan arrived. The Ushra'Khan never sought to conquor the region, nor to build a new Republic. The only reason for our move there was as a military base of operations against CVA space, the Amarr Empire and the Mandate. To that end we negotiated with the locals, we traded with them for basic supplies. From that a community grew. Well, I say 'we' but I was one of the locals at the time and not in the Ushra'Khan. Establishment, CCK and various other pirates were routinely raiding the area and further into ISS space. When raiders come neighbours stand together. Just as the locals had before Ushra'Khan came they band together with us now. Those groups that profit by trading with us and at the ISS bases now protect their convoys and their profits just as before. This 'alliance' that stands before you was not created for this war. It is the same as before just a hundred times more organised. Unity is a hub for that community, not just home to the Ushra'Khan. Attack it and you attack us all, as you have now found out. Unity is a beacon of freedom. Freedom from slavery and tyranny for all. For that we will give up everything because without it all else is worthless. We will pay no ransom, there will be no deals. Give up and retreat or fight us to the last man. The choice is yours. >> RECRUITING <<
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.19 03:25:00 - [138] Quote: I'm sorry, if you were indeed there only to shoot heathens, you would have come in and shot everyone, not just the coalition. I didn't see you shooting UK, unless I am mistaken. If that is the case, by all eve-mail me the killmails of UK people these past few nights in 9uy, and I will conceed on that point. And I'm by no means a "pup" as you have stated. It will do you, as well as CVA well to recongize this before losing anymore Navy Issue Ravens. PIE doesn't operate in Providence on a regular basis. We visit once in awhile, tag along on CVA random pirate sweeps occasionally, otherwise we live in Empire. In fact if you look at history PIE left the CVA to focus on the defense of the homeland leaving defense of Providence in the capable hands of the CVA. I think there have been one or two PIE pilots in Providence in recent weeks (I know I haven't been there). We are at war with the UshraKhan and have been for close to FOUR YEARS (in one form or another). We want to blast these guys into slavery and rid the Empire of the threat of terrorism. Just like we've been doing for almost FOUR YEARS. And as a UK member attested above in this thread he was shot at when seen by the CVA (and was happy to escape). So CVA is out shooting terrorists and pirates (as usual). Just like they've been doing for the last TWO YEARS in Providence and almost FOUR YEARS over all. Hmmm I see a trend here....... In other words nothing has changed except a new enemy (you) and a bizarre conspiracy theory. So I'll just say "take it from me" to make it clear NO we were not called in by UK to help and YES we will still shoot UK when we run into them and YES we will still shoot at pirates when we run into them. I hope that clears up the questions you may have. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.19 03:29:00 - [139] Originally by: Helganstandt The fact that CVA and PIE just sort of show up out of nowhere... Not been in the area long, have you?
Verone	Posted - 2006.09.19 04:05:00 - [140] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Verone It's humerous to see that the very people we fight allow our corporation to more than pay for our losses, and make a healthy profit without lifting a finger. Since the start of this battle, the ISS has personally destroyed more in isk value of your ships than was paid out to shareholders on IPOs. Claiming that the ISS shares are paying for 100% of your collective losses is incorrect, unless you meant specifically Veto. I mentioned our corporation, and our losses. You alliance is more than paying for our war. As for the rest of our allies, well... lets just say they're comfotable enough. As for the ISK value of vessels destroyed, I beleive members of our Coalition have already explained this. Once again I'm confused though, regarding the denial of CVA actions in the area. I mean, I'm aware that being a man of god like members of CVA are, means you have to be proficient in backstabbing and quoting sensless and more often than not religious babble, but backstabbing your own religion by helping your enemy? Babbling that you're "patrolling the area looking for pirates?" Really... it's laughable. You chaps are going to need to get down on those knees and do some serious grovelling to get through those golden gates when your time comes. Heathens indeed... heh. BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION

Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.19 04:11:00 - [141] Quote: "I mean, I'm aware that being a man of god like members of CVA are, means you have to be proficient in backstabbing and quoting sensless and more often than not religious babble, but backstabbing your own religion by helping your enemy? Babbling that you're "patrolling the area looking for pirates?"" Well they've been doing it in that area for over two years now. Are they supposed to stop because the gateganker coalition shows up? As for helping the enemy don't flatter yourself. These terrorists feel the wrath of Amarr on a regular basis. Just as pirates do. Who you fight matters not, your a pirate, your a target. Who UK fights matters not, they're terrorists, they're targets. By fighting UK then would CVA be helping you? Not really. Theres a clue around here somewhere......... have you got it yet? Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.19 04:19:00 - [142] Originally by: Verone I mean, I'm aware that being a man of god like members of CVA are, means you have to be proficient in backstabbing and quoting sensless and more often than not religious babble, but backstabbing your own religion by helping your enemy? Babbling that you're "patrolling the area looking for pirates?" I dunno...just seems like a lot of boo-hooing to me, pirate. It becomes more and more apparent that you thought you could hide from justice under the guise of killing the enemies of the Empire. You were wrong. Guess it's time for the pirates to get as tough as they like to talk.
Kalianyia Caldari Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.19 04:53:00 - [143] I love how everyone throws around the term pirates. ASCN considers anyone a pirate who isnt blue to them in Catch / Providence. They will gate camp / gank people all day long - but yet somehow this isnt considered pirating?? Then when we camp and kill people who are not blue to us - OMGZZ!!!!!!! EBIL PIRATES!!!!!!! Originally by: "Solusar" Muffins of Mayhem are known pirates from around low sec Amarr space and are thus shot at. Secondly. I just wanted to correct this story. Before MoM was even around there was some jacked up crap that happened regarding ISS. We had them set to +10, and they killed one of our guys. A pretty messed up thing to do - might I add this was done at the command of Prax Inititive headed by Lake. Anyhow so yah we got REALLY ***ed and since paying 50 mil / week to war dec ISS was a bit too much for our little corp's coffers at the time we headed down to Ordat area where there were a TON of ISS / Praxis Inititive and we began to settle the score. But since Prax / ISS were butt buddies with everyone in Ordat (including The Legion of Spoon [CVA]) everyone became hostile to us and attacked us without provocation. I might use the situation where I warped to a belt some months ago in Ordat only to find a blinking red Curse (OMG I just checked the killmail and it was you Solusar). Hmm so if you were blinking red (at least by my overview settings) that means you had illegally PIRATED* OMG!! someone and were thus flagged as a criminal. I was bored and looking for a fight so I stuck around to see if he would agro me. He indeed did attacked illegally OMGZZ PIRATE!!!. Then about 30 sec later the ceo from Legion of the spoon shows up in his CNR and also attacks me illegally. Unfortinently for them they both ended up in pods But it was a DANGGGG close fight and proops to both of them for a good well matched 2v2 (I had a friend warp to me to help support me vs the 2 CVA). They didnt moan or whine either was good spirited. But the point is that CVA attacked us FIRST and did so ILLEGALLY. Basically i dont see how you can be any more pirate than that. I dont mind being called a pirate. I've pirated plenty in my life. But when people start throwing around the whole "OMG EBIL PIRATE" sloggan when they have indeed pirated themselves then that just leaves me speechless.... -----
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.19 05:36:00 - [144] Quote: But the point is that CVA attacked us FIRST and did so ILLEGALLY. Basically i dont see how you can be any more pirate than that. I dont mind being called a pirate. I've pirated plenty in my life. But when people start throwing around the whole "OMG EBIL PIRATE" sloggan when they have indeed pirated themselves then that just leaves me speechless.... Pirates have always been targets of the CVA just ask Priory, The Short Bus Squad or any other number of pirate corps. They have a long history of running anti-Pirate patrols. Likewise they have a long history of working for the Empire to keep Providence safe for law abiding citizens. So if your pirating you get to live with the consequences. You run around with a "Pirate Coalition" and people like Verone and proudly proclaim your pirates and YES you'll probably be shot at. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.19 05:53:00 - [145] Originally by: Kalianyia ...I warped to a belt some months ago in Ordat only to find a blinking red Curse (OMG I just checked the killmail and it was you Solusar). Hmm so if you were blinking red (at least by my overview settings) that means you had illegally PIRATED OMG!!... Shooting somebody in low sec does not make you a pirate. A criminal granted but not a pirate. Pirate hunters and Bounty hunters routinely get those security hits. Defending your space against enemies or pirate raids does not make you a pirate. Attacking enemy convoys whether that is a declared enemy or not does not make you a pirate. Attacking ships purely to profit from their destruction or by pod ransom makes you a pirate. Now time for a little story. I was doing the usual around 9UY when a slaver entered the system. I would have to check the logs but it was either CVA or 1PG, it was a while ago. I started scouting for him in my 'Phoon which granted does not make the best scout but I was ratting at the time of the alert. Lo and behold I find him in a Crusader outside Unity. I know I can't get range on the intie so I do what I can to keep him interested until some fast tacklers arrive. Then a pirate that had been operating in the area drops out of warp off to the side of us in a geddon. Of course he was KoS to both me and the slaver and since we couldn't / wouldn't get in range to each other we both went for the pirate that was within both our striking distance. The pirate was making to flee just as the slaver slipped into my range so I switched fire to him. Of course both targets fled. For those dying to know the pirate came back just in time to be tackled by the inties that had come for the slaver and we popped him. The slaver kept his range until he accepted a dual from one our guys and he headed back to the Empire in his pod. That was long before Establishment war decced and long before this war. This has always been the way, just now we have a lot more pirates around than slavers and inversly because of the pirate infestation we are unable to launch our raids on the slavers so our paths rarely cross. In fact it was the Establishment doing a combat jump of their Nyx right on top of one of my Wolf packs as they headed back to base after raiding CVA space that prompted me to focus on the enemy on our doorstep before worrying about the enemy twelve jumps away. Now this has been made as crystal clear as we can make it from both sides. You should be getting it by now which would suggest this is a poor attempt to garner more support for your invasion. The problem is that if you pick any group in Providence there is at least one member of your coalition that has attacked them. If you don't like people shooting you, stop attacking them. For instance NOS is an ally to CVA. A bunch of your guys went down to NOS space and attacked a bunch of them last week. You really can't be suprised if NOS or CVA come after you for revenge can you? I cannot think of a single group in Providence that does not have it's own reasons for shooting at this pirate alliance. Change the track, we've heard it enough already. >> RECRUITING <<
Gunsnroses Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.19 06:19:00 - [146] Originally by: Maggot Ben, If you wanted to keep killboards out of it maybe your leaders should have avoided making such insane claims in the first place. U'K is killing more than we are losing. I am very happy about the quality of that data. Originally by: Lord Spidey however; at the end of the day our unorganized band...many of whom have never engaged in an operation of this magnitude are STILL HERE. Well done Muffin's you have been here four whole days now. Stick in there! Whoever the "mastermind" is behind all this they have seriously screwed up and should be shot. Who are you going to drag into this affair next? Who are you going to hire next to save face? Its becoming embarassing. Hmmm, my orginal post ethier was never posted, or i dunno disapeared. But...... Maggot, as you know, we've had business dealings in the past, i had respect for you. But you have stripped all of that respect away. We have hired NOONE to assit us in the siege of Unity station. While on the other hand you have hired Smash alliance, not once, But TWICE. Exactly who is trying to save face? and spread lies? We've been there for more then 4 days, and we've just now moved the majority of our fleet to the combat zone. I will state what others in our group have stated. We may not take the outpost, but we will fight untill we have nothing left to fight with. Oh, and PS. Ascn/ISS = pirastes. ISS attacked our members in low sec space, we returned fire, and have since dealt billions in damages to iss. Opps? Silly "neutral" iss pirates
Kalianyia Caldari Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.19 06:33:00 - [147] Telemicus Thrace - very well written post. Thanks for keeping it clean. Part of my point was to show that: 1) Finis Lumen did not attack ISS first, we were first backhanded by ISS whom we had set to +10. 2) We came to seek revenge (we had not yet moved to 0.0, so natrually the next best place to get back at ISS due to their treachery was in low sec). 3) AFAIK we did not attack any Ordat locals. We did not "pirate." We came for ISS and engaged and fought ISS. 4) After we killed quite a few of them, ISS cried for their buddies in local to kill us. 5) Ordat locals became aggressive and attacked us without provocation (meaning we did NOT attack them, they attacked us first). While it is life and I'm fine with it - thats how eve goes (Infact the more people to kill the better). I brought this up because I just wanted to point out the whole hypocracy of the situation and that ISS, CVA, etc.. are not the little golden angels that they try so hard to convince everyone that they are. As far as im concerned they opened hostilities with us. They just all joinned the bandwagon and said OMG EBIL pirates!!! And that suddenly makes everyone little angels and righteous crusaders that march forth for TRUTH and HONOR!!! Sounds like a bunch of bull**** to me. But yet somehow everyone gobbles it up.... -----
Hans Rex Gallente Federation of Traders and Miners	Posted - 2006.09.19 06:45:00 - [148] As a humble trader, I admit being at first frightened by the war for Unity Station. How was I to ply my trade in Providence in the midst of a pirate war? For a few days I stayed well clear. And then I noticed something odd. The pipe from Empire was now always empty. Gone were the gate camps of before. Why I now could sail through in an Indy on auto pilot. But what of the Unity system itself? Anywhere from 50 to 150 in local, at any given time. Well, I'll just insta to the station, and back to the gate. Hmm, no problem there. The battles must all be out in space somewhere. I want to thank UK and ISS for making the trips into Providence much more peaceful than they have been in quite awhile. Trade here is much easier than navigating the lethal HED pipe.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.19 07:25:00 - [149] Kalianyia, what happened between yourselves and ISS is unknown to me. I was not there at the time and I only know what you have just said on the subject. I really can't comment on it. Either way it does not change the current situation, you are working with CCK/Est/Veto/et al to bring down Unity and ISS are working with us to stop you. If you and ISS have a history and are hostile that is one reason for them help us in this fight. I know CCK and Establishment have attacked ISS in the past and that is another reason for ISS to work with us. Seeing Unity fall into the hands of Veto/Est/CCK/Ethereal Dawn/Atrocitas?/Muffins of Mayhem/et al is not in ISSs interests. Trade has flourished in the region and nobody wants to see that change. I would feel confident that ISS and anyone else within five light years would not want to see a hostile cap ship facility in place of Unity. All in all that is a lot of good reasons for ISS and a few others to help us or at least not hinder us and frankly I for one am glad for the assist. Originally by: Kalianyia ...They just all joinned the bandwagon and said OMG EBIL pirates!!! And that suddenly makes everyone little angels and righteous crusaders that march forth for TRUTH and HONOR!!! Sounds like a bunch of bull**** to me. But yet somehow everyone gobbles it up.... I don't see anyone jumping on a bandwagon. Everyone fighting this invasion has perfectly good reasons for doing so. Whether that is "We like Ushra'Khan and/or profit from having access to Unity so we do not want to see it fall" or "We don't like some or all of the invading coalition and or it is not in our interests to see Unity fall into their hands" those are perfectly valid reasons to fight. I have tried in this post to avoid calling the coalition (not to be confused with CCK) pirates and it is a bit clumsy. You may regard yourselves as Mercs and not pirates but the fact is you are working with pirates. The first raids were led by pirates. Regardless now who joins the enemy I think the shorthand 'pirate' will just stick. It's six key strokes and we all know which side we are talking about. 'Enemy' won't work for us as you are not the only enemy we face. As I recall it was Demundus who openly declared he wanted to bring anarchy to Providence and that he would not be stopping there (Thoughts on the war thread for one). By supporting them you are supporting that action. If you do not wish to be tarred with the same brush then rethink the company you keep and the causes you support. We are not fighting for honour, we are fighting for survival. >> RECRUITING <<
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.19 07:49:00 - [150] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Kalianyia, what happened between yourselves and ISS is unknown to me. I was not there at the time and I only know what you have just said on the subject. I really can't comment on it. Either way it does not change the current situation, you are working with CCK/Est/Veto/et al to bring down Unity and ISS are working with us to stop you. ... If you and ISS have a history and are hostile that is one reason for them help us in this fight. All in all that is a lot of good reasons for ISS and a few others to help us or at least not hinder us and frankly I for one am glad for the assist. Well, as stated in a news bulletin, the reason we are contributing to this raid is to hinder what we consider to be breaches of ISS neutrality once again. If ISS had kept their nose out of this, we probably wouldn't have volunteered to help. So us being there is definitely NOT a reason for ISS to be there. It's actually the opposite. We consider their aiding of a non-neutral entity to be just that: not neutral. And we will continue to pursue ISS until they either give up their neutrality charter, or actually follow it. Originally by: Telemicus Thrace I don't see anyone jumping on a bandwagon. Everyone fighting this invasion has perfectly good reasons for doing so. Whether that is "We like Ushra'Khan and/or profit from having access to Unity so we do not want to see it fall" or "We don't like some or all of the invading coalition and or it is not in our interests to see Unity fall into their hands" those are perfectly valid reasons to fight. I have tried in this post to avoid calling the coalition (not to be confused with CCK) pirates and it is a bit clumsy. You may regard yourselves as Mercs and not pirates but the fact is you are working with pirates. The first raids were led by pirates. Regardless now who joins the enemy I think the shorthand 'pirate' will just stick. It's six key strokes and we all know which side we are talking about. 'Enemy' won't work for us as you are not the only enemy we face. As I recall it was Demundus who openly declared he wanted to bring anarchy to Providence and that he would not be stopping there (Thoughts on the war thread for one). By supporting them you are supporting that action. If you do not wish to be tarred with the same brush then rethink the company you keep and the causes you support. We are not fighting for honour, we are fighting for survival. I believe Kali was refering to the fact that ISS was using "piracy" as a reason for breaking their neutrality charter, and is doing so again. We consider this hypocritical considering the NAPs that ISS has in place with other pirate corporations. It's only a matter of how much ISS is willing to pay to those pirate corps to secure naps, and I'm sure they have some sort of cost-benefit analysis program in place to decide such things. That however isn't neutral. Also, the "evil pirate" bandwagon we speak of extends far beyond this localized conflict. Anyone who wants to justify a reason for trying to bring in help just has to shout out "pirate" and they will get supporters (though I will admit most are more full of words than actual fight). In this case, you guys were able to get ASCN, AXE, ISS, and now CVA and PIE to come join in. Whether it's a valid tactic for survival, I am not going to argue with you about. But you can't tell me it's not a bandwagon. I truly believe had some other alliance tried to take Unity, that ASCN, AXE, and ISS would have nothing to do with your conflict. Now that a group tries, of which some fly under the "pirate" flag, it's a huge problem and everyone wants to help. ________________________________

Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.19 09:18:00 - [151] Originally by: Gunsnroses Oh, and PS. Ascn/ISS = pirastes. ISS attacked our members in low sec space, we returned fire, and have since dealt billions in damages to iss. Opps? Silly "neutral" iss pirates Ohh for heavens sake not this again. Pirates getting shot is what is called 'crime and punishment' not others being pirates. Don't like being treated as hostile then don't fire first. ISS are neutral in the respect that they don't shoot people on first contact and wave instead. But if that stranger shoots them then that doesn't mean they have to sit there and take it and not shoot back from that point on. What is so confusing about that? And I hear MoM state repeatedly that they are not pirates. Well then put your money where your mouth is and leave 9uy. Because as long as you are there assisting known pirates like Veto, as you have states as your reason for poking your noses in this affair, then you are pirates in my book. Plain and simple. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.19 09:19:00 - [152] Originally by: Helganstandt ..Well, as stated in a news bulletin, the reason we are contributing to this raid is to hinder what we consider to be breaches of ISS neutrality once again... As ISS have already stated they are not neutral to those that are hostile towards them. In fact it was either CCK or Establishment (I forget) than seized ISS Condiso for a day due to some quirk of sovereignty claims (I am not clear on the details of how). This invading force has not only a recent history of hostility to ISS prior to this conflict but openly attacked ISS ships in the openeing days of the invasion. ISS have explained this, I have explained this. Not sure what you are not understanding but lead elements of this invading force brought ISS into this conflict by their own actions. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. Originally by: Helganstandt ..Also, the "evil pirate" bandwagon we speak of extends far beyond this localized conflict. Anyone who wants to justify a reason for trying to bring in help just has to shout out "pirate" and they will get supporters... We all choose the path we walk. Your choices led you to where you are. Pirates are not popular anywhere except amongst other pirates. Those that help pirates will have their reputations tarnished by association. It's a hard life. Originally by: Helganstandt ..In this case, you guys were able to get ASCN, AXE, ISS, and now CVA and PIE to come join in... I heard something about ASCN and AXE coming to the fray. I have a few memos to catch up on. I'm sure they wouldn't want to be the next host to a hostile Nyx and who can blame them. As for CVA and PIE they are not our allies, they have always hunted pirates in Providence. Us too but there are more pirates than Ushra'Khan around these days so of course they get more pirate kills. But I have already covered the slaver / pirate thing in more detail than it should need. I'm at a loss as to why you still don't get it. Originally by: Helganstandt ..Whether it's a valid tactic for survival, I am not going to argue with you about. But you can't tell me it's not a bandwagon... Honestly then, what would you call the array of alliances and corporations that invaded Providence? We have all been attacked, we are all under threat, we are all fighting back. Did you hope to divide and conquor? take Providence as piece meal starting wit us? Sorry to dissappoint but too many have a vested interest in keeping you out of this region and none of us are fools. Originally by: Helganstandt I truly believe had some other alliance tried to take Unity, that ASCN, AXE, and ISS would have nothing to do with your conflict. Now that a group tries, of which some fly under the "pirate" flag, it's a huge problem and everyone wants to help. Maybe, maybe not. It would depend. Of course nothing unifies resistance like flying into a region killing everyone you see then proclaiming that you will bring anarchy and death. Of course it's too late now, divide and conquor will not work and intimidation has failed. Shooting at people makes enemies. Shooting everyone makes everyone your enemy. Make enough enemies and eventually you will get a group of them that have every reason to work together to fight you and no reason not to. Seems like common sense to me. You lot brought this war here, it was your choice to take this path. You can withdraw any time you like. This is our home, we are going nowhere. >> RECRUITING <<
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.19 09:27:00 - [153] Originally by: Helganstandt Originally by: Darius Shakor As has been said already several times the CVA and PIE were not included in defense plans. If they continue to fly around our area in this conflic that is at their own discression as one of their reps said a few pages back. And I admitted no such thing that it didn't do good I just said you picked a good day to move in. Well not you as MoM has been in 9u a grand total of 4 days. But you get the point... I hope... No, don't really get your point as you don't have one. The fact that CVA and PIE just sort of show up out of nowhere is indicative that they were called in. You need to come up with a better story, and one that makes some sense. Well thankyou for proving my point exactly. As said you guys just come swagering in and suddenly uou are all knowing about what is going on here. CVA live a few jumps south of Ushra'Khan and we are enemies. We have endured raiding parties from them all the time, a lot longer than you guys decided to put your hoof in, and you think that you are qualified to jusge that we 'called them in'? You know nothing at all and make yourself look like a complete fool with your assumptions. Originally by: Helganstandt Quote: Ohh you mean like your side hasn't done? Sure... lets all waste our time on numbers that both sides are always going to contest. Or maybe your guys can wait to claim some victory beyond the small scale when your flag flys over our outpost and not our flag. Then you need a new perception implant. The stats have been posted here. We're all using the FZN killboard, and reporting our losses too. You guys have specifically said many times that we're not posting losses, and yet you aren't posting your own stats. This tells me that you either don't have stats to prove we're not posting losses, or you're flat out lying. There's no other logical explanation. I am not going to speak for my friends that have stated such stuff but I will say this as my own personal reason. What I dislike about all killboard debates is that no killboard is 100% accurate. Not even our own. You want an admission? We have always seen Ushra'Khan members who don't post for one reason or another. And not just losses but also kills as well. The only difference with me is that I actually recognise our killboard is only as accurate as the next guy. But your friends come in here dragging figures with them and claiming them as 100% fact. So I am saying that if you want to make yourselves look good, make sure you admit that it is not going to be accurate otherwise you are all just blowing hot air. And if you even bothered to read Mangold's post earlier you would see we have backed it up to FZN that they have not posted all their kills. But it was done privately because killboards are not the be-all end-all of combat. There was not need to get into a 'well you lost this and didn't post it' publicly because that is just more fanning of the flames. You could inflict a total of 20 billion in damage to us vs 2 billion on your side for all I care but if you guys still fail to take the outpost and retreat then you have lost. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.19 09:38:00 - [154] The whinage level is going critical here. Grow a pair, eh. ----------------------------------------------
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.19 10:14:00 - [155] Could this whole thread not have been dealt with by simply saying 'No' and then shutting the hell up? I'm almost embarassed to post here, what with all the epeen waving going on. I think the general gist of what I'm trying to say is: No to the ransom, and fight the fight in space and not on the forums. I, (and I suspect many others) would appreciate it if everybody on both sides could now STFU and stop making complete muppets of themselves in public. That is all. Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort

Serathu Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.19 11:23:00 - [156] Locked due to OOC posting and excessive trolling and flaming. \| Forum Rules \| CAOD Rules \| CRC Website \| [email protected] \|



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