Anyone here watch Gold Rush?

Wow, when will you guys stop parroting that simplistic line. Correlations are used all the time to support hypotheses much more radical than "social interactions keep players in a social MMO game".

CCP has a massive dataset which they have mined backwards and forwards and are confident enough in there interpretation of the data to have CCP Rise stand up and present these findings to the world at Fanfest. You can put your head in the sand and call him incompetent or a liar, but that doesn't change the direction in which CCP is going to take this game.

Getting new players out of NPC corps and into player corps is now an important goal for CCP. I guess you are just going to have to deal with that.

Yes well I think CCP should keep giving CCP Rise the credit, so when the plans backfire, they know who to blame for all this.

Wow, when will you guys stop parroting that simplistic line. Correlations are used all the time to support hypotheses much more radical than "social interactions keep players in a social MMO game".

CCP has a massive dataset which they have mined backwards and forwards and are confident enough in there interpretation of the data to have CCP Rise stand up and present these findings to the world at Fanfest. You can put your head in the sand and call him incompetent or a liar, but that doesn't change the direction in which CCP is going to take this game.

Getting new players out of NPC corps and into player corps is now an important goal for CCP. I guess you are just going to have to deal with that.

Getting new players out of NPC corps and into player corps is now an important goal for CCP.

As it should be. It's just that turning them into fish in a barrel is not the way to do it.

There is no more incentive to leave NPC corps than there was 10 years ago. That's the real problem. Make being in a player corp meaningful.

Balancing the awox situation was a start at positive incentives. And positive incentives are what's needed. Not removing wardec immunity. Not forcing players out after 30 days. Not raising taxes to 90%.

You shouldn't be punished for wanting to stay in an NPC corp. You should be rewarded for leaving it. Though many may never leave, as is their choice in a sandbox, many may actually want to leave if the rewards are worth it. And speaking of sandbox, why aren't player corps more inviting for new players? It's not CCPs place to force them out, it's the player corps place to make it an interesting and exciting option to staying in NPC.

There are good corps in the game. Even some good teaching corps. The thing is that there are so few of them it's frustrating for players to get into them what with the draconian interviews and massive wait times.

It's all you whiners in high sec corps not willing to take new players under your wing that's the real problem here. You don't want to do that, it seems. What you want is new players being forced to make one man and small corps of inexperienced players so you can practice the manly art of war griefing for your own risk averse pleasure.

So stop with the ranting and raging and start doing something about it. If you seriously think it's good for the game as opposed to being good for your chickenshit play style, then open your doors. Welcome new players into the fold and make it a fun and positive learning experience to be blowing up ships. Or don't. But don't cry if you are not willing to be part of the solution. Just go away and let someone else that actually cares about the game do it.

Mr Epeen

As it should be. It's just that turning them into fish in a barrel is not the way to do it.

There is no more incentive to leave NPC corps than there was 10 years ago. That's the real problem. Make being in a player corp meaningful.

Balancing the awox situation was a start at positive incentives. And positive incentives are what's needed. Not removing wardec immunity. Not forcing players out after 30 days. Not raising taxes to 90%.

You shouldn't be punished for wanting to stay in an NPC corp. You should be rewarded for leaving it. Though many may never leave, as is their choice in a sandbox, many may actually want to leave if the rewards are worth it. And speaking of sandbox, why aren't player corps more inviting for new players? It's not CCPs place to force them out, it's the player corps place to make it an interesting and exciting option to staying in NPC.

There are good corps in the game. Even some good teaching corps. The thing is that there are so few of them it's frustrating for players to get into them what with the draconian interviews and massive wait times.

It's all you whiners in high sec corps not willing to take new players under your wing that's the real problem here. You don't want to do that, it seems. What you want is new players being forced to make one man and small corps of inexperienced players so you can practice the manly art of war griefing for your own risk averse pleasure.

So stop with the ranting and raging and start doing something about it. If you seriously think it's good for the game as opposed to being good for your chickenshit play style, then open your doors. Welcome new players into the fold and make it a fun and positive learning experience to be blowing up ships. Or don't. But don't cry if you are not willing to be part of the solution. Just go away and let someone else that actually cares about the game do it.

Mr Epeen

Wars don't add anything to the game.

More mature players have moved to WH, null or low sec, while alting it up in high sec.

War decs only exist to harass new players because, they are a high sec mechanic. Good game design would have made more of it than that.

corp A is owned by a nul/lowsec corp/alliance lives in high sec and mines and builds equipment for their creator.

corp B is owned by their enemy and war decs them to stem the flow of equipment.

so wrong, wars have a very valid function within high sec and this is just one example.



yea we know,, this is the corp/alliance i was talking about above. that's if they are in a corp after the first few war decs, more than likely they've umped into an NPC corp so only have to worry about the odd gank now and then.



war decs are not there to harass new players. war decs would exist even if they where not a mechanic in the game, i know many games that dont' have a war dec mechanic but that doesn't stop one group attacking another.
you remove war decs and you remove an importan part of the game, conflict, which drives EVE.
high sec wars as also an important way for players to enter small scale PVP that's not to take away from some high sec wars which are just as much fun as low of null sec combat, some would say even better.
each to their own i say

from what you've just said i can only assume that you'd like an area where no one can shoot at you while you mine and mission. that's never going to happen, what makes you think it would is beyond me, we can never have an area where you can reap rewards with a risk.

no matter where you are in EVE when you undock from a station you consent to combat. the quicker a new player gets used to this the better. because that's how it is in EVE.
if any player refuses to accept that then it's best you stay docked when you get a war dec

Uh, cloaking device, helloooo. That one item alone essentially let's you skip roughly 90% of any so called risk.

Hey Yuri, why'd you biomass and recreate ?

That was a mining alt, this is my main.

That was a mining alt, this is my main.

What ?

You delete a mining alt with the same name and some SP ...
... and instead create a new char and call it main.

That makes no sense at all, you know ?

I suffer from Multiple alt disorder lol, or as my wife says "character a.d.d"

so ya saying ya M A D bro

got it

You are arguing that CCP should make no effort increasing the social and sandbox integration

All the data points to the increased retention rate for players who leave NPC corps

We'd like players to leave NPC corporations.

No it ******* doesn't.

Well, it's not just to harass new players.
They also like to use it to harass miner, missioners, traders, and other non-direct PVP.

Though, some wardecs are used for good reasons.
I once used a war dec against a mining corp filled with alts that was mining every asteroid belt within 3 jumps, everyday.
9-10 characters, all with the same names and a number.

It was very likely that this person was macro-mining with these characters, as no human being has the tolerance or dedication to mine out several asteroid belts, on a daily basis, from down time to down time.

Though, we did suicide gank a few of his ships before we war decced him. the suicide ganks were enough to force him out of the system, but we wanted to make sure he stayed as far away as possible.

It's not CCPs place to force them out, it's the player corps place to make it an interesting and exciting option to staying in NPC.

It's all you whiners in high sec corps not willing to take new players under your wing that's the real problem here. You don't want to do that, it seems. What you want is new players being forced to make one man and small corps of inexperienced players so you can practice the manly art of war griefing for your own risk averse pleasure.

So stop with the ranting and raging and start doing something about it.

That kind of thing should be policed by game developers not players.

Except for the part where CCP gives player corps so little to offer.

That's their problem, and they need to get around to fixing it. That will mean a big net nerf to NPC corps, once CCP finds the spine to do it. And just like the ISBotters, the NPC corp carebears will cry and howl, but their time of standing in the way of improving the game will finally be at an end.




I was an awoxer for a long time before CCP decided it wasn't going to be allowed anymore, and as a result I have been in more corps than probably anyone in this thread.

The "griefing" corps you are frothing about? They are the friendly, welcoming, helpful ones, the ones who take newbies under their wing and teach them all about the game. You claim otherwise to perpetuate a lie for your own selfish benefit.



We are, and we always have been. But CCP's PvE centric, boredom oriented design for highsec makes that an uphill battle. Something carebear chickenshits like you work so hard to defend.

Clam down miner.

Calling people carebears is too vague and not actually hinting at the right people.

Except for the part where CCP gives player corps so little to offer.

That's their problem, and they need to get around to fixing it. That will mean a big net nerf to NPC corps, once CCP finds the spine to do it. And just like the ISBotters, the NPC corp carebears will cry and howl, but their time of standing in the way of improving the game will finally be at an end.




I was an awoxer for a long time before CCP decided it wasn't going to be allowed anymore, and as a result I have been in more corps than probably anyone in this thread.

The "griefing" corps you are frothing about? They are the friendly, welcoming, helpful ones, the ones who take newbies under their wing and teach them all about the game. You claim otherwise to perpetuate a lie for your own selfish benefit.



We are, and we always have been. But CCP's PvE centric, boredom oriented design for highsec makes that an uphill battle. Something carebear chickenshits like you work so hard to defend.

Check me out
I'm a big bear
And really, I care
So, would you dare...

to call me the right people?

Mr Epeen