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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Draco It's sad watching another xirtam being created in front of my eyes.
Sad ? I'm laughing my ass off here !
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 10/10/2006 13:42:39
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: Xavier Cardde in the end both sides lack the guns, numbers, and node stablity for a clear victory.
we shall shoot each other until we get tired of it.... thats the war.
And here layeth a big part of why you will lose: Because you don't think you can win.
We have no doubt in our minds whatsoever, we WILL beat you, we WILL be victorious. It is merely a question of time.
You will what? You havent stated ANY objectives, so how can you measure success?
Just because we haven't stated any objectives to random people like you who have nothing to do with the conflict doesn't mean there are strict objectives set within the BoB leadership by which we can measure success.
Yet again your posting is amusing to me.
Thanks, dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Just because we haven't stated any objectives to random people like you who have nothing to do with the conflict doesn't mean there are strict objectives set within the BoB leadership.
Yet again your posting is amusing to me.
Thanks, dbp
I understand perfectly that you will not wish to state your objectives.
However, I find it amusing that your forum warriors seem to hint at nothing less than the destruction of ASCN. They talk about 'win' and 'lose' in absolute terms.
This is an easy thing to do without clearly stated goals, and so only serves to make your forum warriors look foolish and short-sighted.
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Lord Draco
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Lord Draco It's sad watching another xirtam being created in front of my eyes.
Sad ? I'm laughing my ass off here !
I just feel bad for the few that buy into the outrageous lies and may end up leaving Eve because of the outright lies they tell.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 10/10/2006 13:48:54
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: DB Preacher
Just because we haven't stated any objectives to random people like you who have nothing to do with the conflict doesn't mean there are strict objectives set within the BoB leadership.
Yet again your posting is amusing to me.
Thanks, dbp
I understand perfectly that you will not wish to state your objectives.
However, I find it amusing that your forum warriors seem to hint at nothing less than the destruction of ASCN. They talk about 'win' and 'lose' in absolute terms.
This is an easy thing to do without clearly stated goals, and so only serves to make your forum warriors look foolish and short-sighted.
What was your point here?
Was it simply the flame telling everyone that our members look foolish and short-sighted?
Or was there actually a point to you coming onto this thread?
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
What was your point here?
Was it simply the flame telling everyone that our members look foolish and short-sighted?
Or was there actually a point to you coming onto this thread?
dbp
I was responding to your alliance member who stated "we WILL beat you, we WILL be victorious".
I was pointing out that as you cannot measure victory if you have no stated goals, its a rather pointless statement to make. You will kill more ships than them? Hardly an impressive goal. You will take over their space? Not possible with current game mechanics and server issues. You will take over Paragon Soul? What, while you can't even effectively police fountain.
The point of this thread, DBP, is a debate on the war between yourselves and ASCN. My posts were perfectly relevant, the only troll here is the one I am bothering to reply to.
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Cardde in the end both sides lack the guns, numbers, and node stablity for a clear victory.
we shall shoot each other until we get tired of it.... thats the war.
Die.
Die a horrible death.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Draco
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Lord Draco It's sad watching another xirtam being created in front of my eyes.
Sad ? I'm laughing my ass off here !
I just feel bad for the few that buy into the outrageous lies and may end up leaving Eve because of the outright lies they tell.
Well, yeah, after reading the rest of his post and knowing his position in ASCN some sadness seems to manifest itself in a corner of my pyche.
NOT !
Oh...my...god, what a totally deranged piece of posting
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Afonso Henriques
Minmatar Low Grade Ore
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog while you can't even effectively police fountain.
Policing space is for rent-a-cop types like yourself tbh.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:55:00 -
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hmmm interesting interesting.... the Tpar thread got locked by request of the OP..
SirMolle giveth, and SirMolle taketh away..
I'm guessing there may be another juicy thread just around the corner... now that the Tpar siege is over..
/emote is giddy with anticipation...
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
Originally by: Xavier Cardde in the end both sides lack the guns, numbers, and node stablity for a clear victory.
we shall shoot each other until we get tired of it.... thats the war.
Die.
Die a horrible death.
Don't doubt. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
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Marnix
Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.10 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Marnix on 10/10/2006 14:00:44
Originally by: DB Preacher What was your point here?
Was it simply the flame telling everyone that our members look foolish and short-sighted?
Or was there actually a point to you coming onto this thread?
dbp
I think his point was quite clear.
You state no public intentions, so you can at all times claim you achieved them, irrelevant of wether you did or not. So while you can judge yourself if you 'won', the rest of us cannot.
Ofcourse i can see the point in not stating them, but it would give the unbiased bystanders a bit more to think about.
EDIT: Added relevant quote coz you people post way to fast.
Stay the fck away from my sig, thx.
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: DB Preacher
Just because we haven't stated any objectives to random people like you who have nothing to do with the conflict doesn't mean there are strict objectives set within the BoB leadership.
Yet again your posting is amusing to me.
Thanks, dbp
I understand perfectly that you will not wish to state your objectives.
However, I find it amusing that your forum warriors seem to hint at nothing less than the destruction of ASCN. They talk about 'win' and 'lose' in absolute terms.
This is an easy thing to do without clearly stated goals, and so only serves to make your forum warriors look foolish and short-sighted.
We weren't the ones that invaded anywhere, ASCN just took it to mean we were going to invade them. We haven't spammed pos anywhere, we haven't contested any space.
Will we? Who knows. One thing is for sure - you can't counter us, all you can be is a backseat observer who can only attack us on the forums because you lack the testicular fortitude to step up and face us in-game.
More fool you.
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Marnix I think his point was quite clear.
You state no public intentions, so you can at all times claim you achieved them, irrelevant of wether you did or not. So while you can judge yourself if you 'won', the rest of us cannot.
Ofcourse i can see the point in not stating them, but it would give the unbiased bystanders a bit more to think about.
There is no such thing as an unbiased bystander - everyone has an opinion, therefor everyone is biased in some way. As for "the rest of you" judging whether we won or not - we don't care how people judge us, the proof is who is left standing and holding the football at the end of the match.
That will be us.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 10/10/2006 14:06:13
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: DB Preacher
What was your point here?
Was it simply the flame telling everyone that our members look foolish and short-sighted?
Or was there actually a point to you coming onto this thread?
dbp
I was pointing out that as you cannot measure victory if you have no stated goals, its a rather pointless statement to make.
Firstly, I wasn't asking about what you posted initially. I was asking what the point of your second post was.
Considering you just called our members foolish and short-sighted, you are very quick to label me a troll.
Secondly,
You cannot measure victory because you do not know our goals and objectives.
We can measure victory because we know our goals and objectives.
The only (and I quote you on this) "pointless statement" was yours attempting to tell one of the leaders of BoB that they cannot measure victory if they have stated no goals.
We certainly can measure victory, it is you who cannot measure our victory but since you have not been asked to measure our victory I don't think that is a problem.
If you wish to argue semantics with me then I can assure you that there will be a simple measure of victory on this point and it will not be you who is standing on the side that is singing ABBA's "The Winner Takes It All" again.
Thanks, dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Marnix
Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: Marnix I think his point was quite clear.
You state no public intentions, so you can at all times claim you achieved them, irrelevant of wether you did or not. So while you can judge yourself if you 'won', the rest of us cannot.
Ofcourse i can see the point in not stating them, but it would give the unbiased bystanders a bit more to think about.
There is no such thing as an unbiased bystander - everyone has an opinion, therefor everyone is biased in some way. As for "the rest of you" judging whether we won or not - we don't care how people judge us, the proof is who is left standing and holding the football at the end of the match.
That will be us.
Fine. 'Unbiased' as in 'uninvolved'. You make an interesting point though - that you do not care how we judge you.
Which is fairly interesting, because then you may aswell not be posting here atall. At the end of the day, you care. If indeed you didnt give a toss what the rest of us thinks, then these posts and threads merely serve a demoralising objective. And tbh, its rather obvious that they dont.
Stay the fck away from my sig, thx.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 10/10/2006 14:07:05
Originally by: Marnix I think his point was quite clear.
You state no public intentions, so you can at all times claim you achieved them, irrelevant of wether you did or not. So while you can judge yourself if you 'won', the rest of us cannot.
Ofcourse i can see the point in not stating them, but it would give the unbiased bystanders a bit more to think about.
EDIT: Added relevant quote coz you people post way to fast.
Yes, well.
I'd guess that victory will manifest itself once we are through, but you will of course not have to take my word for that.
On the other hand, the chances of you being informed of our objectives are rather slim.
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Marnix Which is fairly interesting, because then you may aswell not be posting here atall. At the end of the day, you care. If indeed you didnt give a toss what the rest of us thinks, then these posts and threads merely serve a demoralising objective. And tbh, its rather obvious that they dont.
Not really, we post here for our own amusement and our own purposes - we don't post here to score "PR" points with the eve community, most of whom, especially in 0.0, are gutless self centered appeasement monkeys.
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Silvestri
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:07:00 -
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so who's winning....I've wanted to watch this but no time...have my own busy schedule to attend....any news?
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AvanCade
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:07:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: DB Preacher
What was your point here?
Was it simply the flame telling everyone that our members look foolish and short-sighted?
Or was there actually a point to you coming onto this thread?
dbp
I was responding to your alliance member who stated "we WILL beat you, we WILL be victorious".
I was pointing out that as you cannot measure victory if you have no stated goals, its a rather pointless statement to make. You will kill more ships than them? Hardly an impressive goal. You will take over their space? Not possible with current game mechanics and server issues. You will take over Paragon Soul? What, while you can't even effectively police fountain.
The point of this thread, DBP, is a debate on the war between yourselves and ASCN. My posts were perfectly relevant, the only troll here is the one I am bothering to reply to.
Yes we will beat them and we will be victorious, if when this does not come through then you can then critise the person for saying it, not now.
How do you know with the current game mechanic's its not possible to get hold of a system? Just cause there is lag, node crashes does not mean we will just give up, dedication and patience will get us what we want. When you say something is not possible, you have already lost the war. Nothing is impossible, there is always a way around.
Why does it matter to you that we police fountain or not? When and if there is danger to the region we will respond, for now The Horde and Xelas are doing a grande job in defending it.
Finally the war between bob and ASCN, for those of you who aint got a damn clue whats going on, both sides are having fun, thats all that matters.
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Marnix
Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Marnix I think his point was quite clear.
You state no public intentions, so you can at all times claim you achieved them, irrelevant of wether you did or not. So while you can judge yourself if you 'won', the rest of us cannot.
Ofcourse i can see the point in not stating them, but it would give the unbiased bystanders a bit more to think about.
EDIT: Added relevant quote coz you people post way to fast.
Yes, well.
I'd guess that victory will manifest itself once we are through, but you will of course not have to take my word for that.
On the other hand, the chances of you being informed of our objectives is rather slim.
You'll notice im not asking for them. Itd be interesting to know if they were achieved, but thats about as far as my involvement goes.
As for victory being obvious, i think it will. Thing is, i dont think anyone doubts you will be victorious. But this isnt a win-lose game. You may be victorious but not kill ASCN. It will take ASCN weeks, maybe months of fleetbattles to make up for the kill:loss ratios you achieved in the first week. Thus, victory is already achieved. But as i stated above, i cannot judge wether you achieved your goals. Merely wether youre victorious.
Stay the fck away from my sig, thx.
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:12:00 -
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eta to titan explosion?
well as a board badger siting in the office my moneys on that big shiny ship being a piece in the puzzle of lodgical wars.
I meen if wanted to be ruler of eve and some dudes had one and I dint ,,,.... boom shakala is all id be thinking, im sure its not for the roids ascn
killing the allince would be secondary .
.. back to the paer work.
bet someones finding out quality over numbers is quite big part of eve.
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Theladder
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:12:00 -
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Is this true that BOB have destoried 1 titan from ASCN??
http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=215983
rofl?
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Marnix
Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: Marnix Which is fairly interesting, because then you may aswell not be posting here atall. At the end of the day, you care. If indeed you didnt give a toss what the rest of us thinks, then these posts and threads merely serve a demoralising objective. And tbh, its rather obvious that they dont.
Not really, we post here for our own amusement and our own purposes - we don't post here to score "PR" points with the eve community, most of whom, especially in 0.0, are gutless self centered appeasement monkeys.
Fair point. With what purpose do you think Butter Dog posts though? Im willing to bet its the same as yours.
And mine, for that matter. Office jobs ftw.
Stay the fck away from my sig, thx.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 10/10/2006 14:15:51
Originally by: Marnix You'll notice im not asking for them. Itd be interesting to know if they were achieved, but thats about as far as my involvement goes.
As for victory being obvious, i think it will. Thing is, i dont think anyone doubts you will be victorious. But this isnt a win-lose game. You may be victorious but not kill ASCN. It will take ASCN weeks, maybe months of fleetbattles to make up for the kill:loss ratios you achieved in the first week. Thus, victory is already achieved. But as i stated above, i cannot judge wether you achieved your goals. Merely wether youre victorious.
Neither do I actually . It does feel like we've achieved what we could have wanted so far. We're not in a rush to get to the end of things.
I'll declare my next objective openly tho:
I absolutely need to see more of those "Mccreedy files". It's frigging hilarious.
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Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Marnix
Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: Marnix I think his point was quite clear.
You state no public intentions, so you can at all times claim you achieved them, irrelevant of wether you did or not. So while you can judge yourself if you 'won', the rest of us cannot.
Ofcourse i can see the point in not stating them, but it would give the unbiased bystanders a bit more to think about.
There is no such thing as an unbiased bystander - everyone has an opinion, therefor everyone is biased in some way. As for "the rest of you" judging whether we won or not - we don't care how people judge us, the proof is who is left standing and holding the football at the end of the match.
That will be us.
Fine. 'Unbiased' as in 'uninvolved'. You make an interesting point though - that you do not care how we judge you.
Which is fairly interesting, because then you may aswell not be posting here atall. At the end of the day, you care. If indeed you didnt give a toss what the rest of us thinks, then these posts and threads merely serve a demoralising objective. And tbh, its rather obvious that they dont.
There is a fine difference between not careing what someone thinks and letting someone spout lies and accusations unchallenged.
DbP knows as well as anyone else posting here that the majority of all readers have already made up their mind when they open a thread. The majority labels each "hostile" post Propaganda, lies, bollox and whatever else you may call it but every post of the "good guys" or allies as the truth.
See the snips taken from the Ascn command mail. IF an alliance sinks low enough to lie to its members about Gm's taking sides, Exploit accusations and other dubious things to make up for ingame losses it starts to become funny. Those things are on a different level and they influence another area of the game. If 4000 ppl believe only exploiters can win or that the Gm team is biased it damages the reputation of the game not of an entity.
So maybe just maybe the person who made this long bull**** post and lies to his alliance should consider what damage he does to the game and to the community at whole (no matter if ure bob, mc, ascn, imperium or celes) by balanty attempting to score brownie points on baseless accusations.
People have lost before and swallowed the sour medcine and it takes a real man to stand up and admit defeat with a "good fight they were better" instead of the counterstrike mentality which lately seems to get a foothold in the circle of allianceleaders. Where every hostile victor must be a cheater and every 3rd hand information which might get modified on the way to you is a clear proof for exploit, bias and favouritism (sp?).
Wake up Ascn, admit defeat in the tpar case and tidy up your closet before you damage the game. 1000 players spreading rumors to their friends can quickly make baseless accusations to a real bushfire.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Marnix
You state no public intentions, so you can at all times claim you achieved them, irrelevant of wether you did or not. So while you can judge yourself if you 'won', the rest of us cannot.
hangon a minute this is not really true..../emote rumages around in the forums.....
Originally by: SirMolle Offer to corporations based in GQ2S refinery.
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We will offer you a way out, the non-hostile way, before we lay total siege to the system. Lay down your arms, and drop the sov claims on ths system, and you will be allowed to stay.
This offer will go off the table in 1 week.
k.. there isnt a timeframe attached to this 'offer', however, it is quite clear that the objective stated in that post is to lay total siege to that system... I would assume that when BoB say total siege... they actually mean .. total siege... and force the inhabitants to move out.
That's a pretty clear objective, there is no timeframe but it is an objective nevertheless and a pretty clear and public declaration of quantifiable intent.
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Theladder Is this true that BOB have destoried 1 titan from ASCN??
http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=215983
rofl?
Oddly enough it should be obvious it is a fake due to the fact its a kill that happens 6 hours from now.
Taur
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Alasse Cuthalion
TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 10/10/2006 14:34:58
Originally by: Theladder Is this true that BOB have destoried 1 titan from ASCN??
http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=215983
rofl?
to be fair, if we'd killed ASCN's mobile peen extension it would've been posted on our killboard too ;)
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 10/10/2006 14:34:58
Originally by: Theladder Is this true that BOB have destoried 1 titan from ASCN??
http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=215983
rofl?
to be fair, if we'd killed ASCN's mobile peen extension it would've been posted on our killboard too ;)
tbh I'd have the link tatoo'd across my left flap, pull it over my head and run round the town screaming "aroooooooooooooooga" if we had :D
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