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hangovur
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard persh, weren't you wondering why everyone thinks BoB are a propaganda machine? Avert your eyes to the bottom of every single one of your alliance mates posts. BINGO!
theres quite a difference in poking fun at the people you are playing against and... lets say, making post claiming that the other side is haxing and cheating by causing node crashes and using GMs to gain an advantage.
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Vailan
Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Dobbs Edited by: Robert Dobbs on 10/10/2006 18:08:40 This so-called "propaganda campaign" is not to hurt ASCN. It's to hurt those who have lied over and over again to the eve online community (and to their alliance members) - just to save face. Which just happens to be the ASCN leadership.
Man you're sig is freaking awesome! lol... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/chaosPhd/Sigs%20or%20Banners/Vailan-Sig.jpg
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00tricky
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dirtball
Originally by: Plan Neun Any "neutral" observer that can give any info on how combat progress exept for parties involved?
good to see all these neutrals respecting the wishes of the original poster
Q: Can a "neutral" observer be qualified to comment on something that they have not witnessed themselves?
A: No. There are no neutral observers involved in this (save the GM's, and I doubt they will comment in this thread with the details the OP is looking for).
Ergo, the OP, will not be answered exactly as requested, and you get what we have here... kick ass sigs!!!! 
non suficit orbis ASCN, do me a favor and sort overview reverse alphabetical, ffs
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End Yourself
Core Domination
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:19:00 -
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so what's that titan killmail all about? will i get to see some fancy explosion if i arrive in azn in time?!? 
--- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: HostageTaker
Originally by: Audrea LOL at the new sigs! I loughed especially at the scum and villiny, and the Disturbance in the force! 
Perhaps next times siggies related to Star Trek? 
Star Trek is for mining carebears!

"I rather die as the man I was, than live the life I just saw!" -Picard, Jean-Luck, after seeing the life of a carebear  ------------------ Save Deimos! |

welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: hangovur
Originally by: welsh wizard persh, weren't you wondering why everyone thinks BoB are a propaganda machine? Avert your eyes to the bottom of every single one of your alliance mates posts. BINGO!
theres quite a difference in poking fun at the people you are playing against and... lets say, making post claiming that the other side is haxing and cheating by causing node crashes and using GMs to gain an advantage.
I see your point.
Would someone from BoB care to give explanations as to why they think this information is being spread among the ASCN ranks? I'm interested in your side of the story.
Why did the GM move the BoB fleet? Where have these accusations come from? You say they're baseless and go on to accuse the guy who made the post of being less than mentally able.
Why should the Eve public believe you when BoB operate on the forums in such an aggressive and sometimes ridiculous (in my opinion) manner?
I currently have no reason not to believe him...
"Use your brain!!!" you say "BoB obviously haven't got GM's in their ranks" etc etc.
So where have these baseless accusations come from?
Would appreciate it greatly if someone would address these points...
Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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Gabriel Karade
Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:23:00 -
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I love those sigs. ----------
- Office Linebacker -
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Ysabelle nKataros
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ysabelle nKataros on 10/10/2006 18:27:10 ASCN gather evidence in their "BoB has node crash hax!" case
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 10/10/2006 18:40:24
Originally by: welsh wizard
Would someone from BoB care to give explanations as to why they think this information is being spread among the ASCN ranks? I'm interested in your side of the story.
(lukec answered the rest above)
Well, I dunno Welsh if you were around during the PA then FA wars that we fought but quite simply there seems to be two types of leader in Eve.
There are the guys like the BoB CEO's, Darth, ShinRa, Eddz, etc etc who lead their corps from the front.
Then there are the guys like Halseth, Tornsoul, remedial, Cyvok etc who led from the back.
One type of leader will give thier members free will to speak when they want because they know that whatever they say it can be backed up ingame.
The other type of leader needs to ban their members from talking for fear of pulling the rest of Eve onto their heads.
This next point is the crunch of the matter however.
One of those leaders only needs to say "gg" to their fighters every so often.
The other type needs to wax lyrically with false progaganda in a vain effort to make his troops go out to the slaughter knowing full well that they will get slaughtered.
They will try anything to keep the alliance together long enough to see off the enemy but invariably will fail because the alliance members simply do not see them enough on the field leading fleets and bringing victories where it matters.
You can lie to a member of an alliance for as long as you want but the beauty about the EvE-O forums, fraps, killboards etc is that they can always go find out for themselves the truth.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 10/10/2006 18:46:37
Originally by: welsh wizard
Would someone from BoB care to give explanations as to why they think this information is being spread among the ASCN ranks? I'm interested in your side of the story.
Will try to be constructive and objective.
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Why did the GM move the BoB fleet? Where have these accusations come from? You say they're baseless and go on to accuse the guy who made the post of being less than mentally able.
No GM moved any fleet. I doubt any bob ship was move at all. After node dies, strange things kick in, sometimes rollback kicks in, sometime doesn't. I remember in k-9 when we crashed node for the first time, i woke up on deep safespot with different ammo and full hp. After we jumped into TCAG on sunday (? don't remember), i wasted like 10 minutes to log in and warped straight on gate. But,saying that GM moved our ships is simply lie. As far as i understood mcGreedy's post/mail/utter crap, he claims bob people were moved from tcag into tpar on first day after pos spam, which is wrong. We had support going from tcag -> vy0 -> mgo -> tpar, killed bubbles then we did some movement tcag<-> mgo to have them warp around from gate to gate, then we finally jumped in at MGO gate. We had gang of something like 15-25, local was around 100 at that time. However don't forget most people brought various alts from delve and logged mains on once TPAR was secure. Don't blame us about lag,due to logging mains on/ alts off, yet, lag kicked in later. This was all before dt.
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Why should the Eve public believe you when BoB operate on the forums in such an aggressive and sometimes ridiculous (in my opinion) manner? I currently have no reason not to believe him...
I don't belive you are in fountain either tbh. But look at last 2 paragraphs of mcGreedy's post, stating crap about not beeing able to crash node when GM's were around. In same paragraph he explains that same ebil GMs h4xed their pos... But tell me what sane person wants to crash node when he has dreads at deathstar(mostly offline, tyvm)
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"Use your brain!!!" you say "BoB obviously haven't got GM's in their ranks" etc etc. So where have these baseless accusations come from?
No idea, i don't know any GM, not in bob nor otherwise. And even if we would have GM inside bob, do you really think he would risk his RL job for some stupid pos or whatever? Use your brains please, tell us what would reasonable person do? ps. GM Guard was around as well, he has some nice history with 5. and ATUK and poses. (nothing bad/wrong about him)
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Would appreciate it greatly if someone would address these points...
Hope it helps.
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Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: hangovur
Originally by: welsh wizard persh, weren't you wondering why everyone thinks BoB are a propaganda machine? Avert your eyes to the bottom of every single one of your alliance mates posts. BINGO!
theres quite a difference in poking fun at the people you are playing against and... lets say, making post claiming that the other side is haxing and cheating by causing node crashes and using GMs to gain an advantage.
Eh... most of BoB's propaganda has been based on claiming that ASCN would use lag tactics. In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?
Do people have 2 minute memories on this forum or what? -----------------
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Plim In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?
You do need a certain amount of intelligence in order to understand these words, i'm afraid. He said "individual node crashes", insinuating that these guys log off on contact. Which they do. -
Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Plim
Originally by: hangovur
Originally by: welsh wizard persh, weren't you wondering why everyone thinks BoB are a propaganda machine? Avert your eyes to the bottom of every single one of your alliance mates posts. BINGO!
theres quite a difference in poking fun at the people you are playing against and... lets say, making post claiming that the other side is haxing and cheating by causing node crashes and using GMs to gain an advantage.
Eh... most of BoB's propaganda has been based on claiming that ASCN would use lag tactics. In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?
Do people have 2 minute memories on this forum or what?
You really don't get it, do you. Let me explain it to you slow and in simple words: they logoff to save their pods.
I hope you understand that it doesn't matter whether in dictor bubble or whatever, pod WILL warp. Probing it solves matter a little, but we are short on probes already. Refer to some sig for further info.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Plim In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever.
Ok Plim every time an ASCN pilot logs off to save his pod we'll fraps it just for you. Molle's subtle dig about them repeatedly logging off obviously zoomed right over the top of your head there.
Eve Blacklight Style
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Plim
Originally by: hangovur
Originally by: welsh wizard persh, weren't you wondering why everyone thinks BoB are a propaganda machine? Avert your eyes to the bottom of every single one of your alliance mates posts. BINGO!
theres quite a difference in poking fun at the people you are playing against and... lets say, making post claiming that the other side is haxing and cheating by causing node crashes and using GMs to gain an advantage.
Eh... most of BoB's propaganda has been based on claiming that ASCN would use lag tactics. In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?
Do people have 2 minute memories on this forum or what?
BOB didnt claime anything that cyvok didnt say himself, if you missed the thread where he said it maye you should ask for a copy and read it.
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Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:58:00 -
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No, what Cyvok said was open to interpretation and you used it for propaganda.
And apparently Molle's statements were open to interpretation too so chill the **** out kids. And he didn't provide any evidence, so it is still a vacuous statement. Fraps it if you want, IĈm not saying it doesnĈt happen.
See why I like winding you guys up? Irate or what  -----------------
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Plim
Originally by: hangovur
Originally by: welsh wizard persh, weren't you wondering why everyone thinks BoB are a propaganda machine? Avert your eyes to the bottom of every single one of your alliance mates posts. BINGO!
theres quite a difference in poking fun at the people you are playing against and... lets say, making post claiming that the other side is haxing and cheating by causing node crashes and using GMs to gain an advantage.
Eh... most of BoB's propaganda has been based on claiming that ASCN would use lag tactics. In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?
Do people have 2 minute memories on this forum or what?
I belaive that those are references to CYVOK's famous internal forum post on strategy versus BoB where he announced that rather then lose his outposts he'd have his blob crash the node repeatedly till we give up or lost all our dreads attemtping to kill his pos.
You see, stating the intention (in quite serious words actually, I'm not sure if you've actually seen the post we're referring to ?) seriously, in command communications to your entire alliance, is rather different from using quotes from such communications to poke fun at your opponent.
In all honesty, the post/blog made by John Mccreedy is seriously delusional. The seriousness with which he communicates his allegations internally, to his alliance, speaks for itself. It shows that the allegations and excuses he makes for our better performance around TPAR are actually meant seriously, not in jest.
You can find direct quotes from his post/blog earlier in this thread. You tell me where we ever made such ridiculous allegations against ASCN ? Exactly, nowhere. we only quoted Cyvok in jest, alluding to his words about abusing lag as part of his defense strategy.
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DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 18:59:00 -
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dunno about you guys, i'm having a farking good time
(and a good laugh at mr mcreedy's expense)
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 10/10/2006 19:03:19
Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Plim
Originally by: hangovur
Originally by: welsh wizard persh, weren't you wondering why everyone thinks BoB are a propaganda machine? Avert your eyes to the bottom of every single one of your alliance mates posts. BINGO!
theres quite a difference in poking fun at the people you are playing against and... lets say, making post claiming that the other side is haxing and cheating by causing node crashes and using GMs to gain an advantage.
Eh... most of BoB's propaganda has been based on claiming that ASCN would use lag tactics. In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?
Do people have 2 minute memories on this forum or what?
You really don't get it, do you. Let me explain it to you slow and in simple words: they logoff to save their pods.
I hope you understand that it doesn't matter whether in dictor bubble or whatever, pod WILL warp. Probing it solves matter a little, but we are short on probes already. Refer to some sig for further info.
We're quite aware of that thank you. About 50% of our targets in do it everytime they lose a ship.
Lost count of the number of pods we've nailed at a safespot because they log off at the gate once they've lost their ships.
People who log to save their ships and/or pods must be punished.
Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 10/10/2006 19:03:45
Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Originally by: Plim In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?
You do need a certain amount of intelligence in order to understand these words, i'm afraid. He said "individual node crashes", insinuating that these guys log off on contact. Which they do.
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Why dont you Celestetris guys join ASCN and fight the right couse against haxors?
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 10/10/2006 19:07:14
Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 10/10/2006 19:03:45
Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Originally by: Plim In fact Molle eluded to it in the start of his recent thread, saying that the node would crash when ever he saw an ASCN pod and gave no evidence for it whatsoever. Do you guys read your own threads or just spam them?
You do need a certain amount of intelligence in order to understand these words, i'm afraid. He said "individual node crashes", insinuating that these guys log off on contact. Which they do.
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Why dont you Celestetris guys join ASCN and fight the right couse against haxors?
I personally don't believe you use any 'hacks' (other than the cans outside the station trick) or harbour any GM's or dev's.
We shoot you because you claim to be the best and because you're insanely vocal in-game and on these forums.
In fact if it wasn't for your old corp I doubt neither I or Plim would be posting here.
Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:09:00 -
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Yes Rod Blaine, I have read what Cyvok wrote and I think BoB are intentionally misinterpreting what he said. I don't think he was implying that he would crash the node on purpose, he was saying that he wouldn't allow CCP's hardware failings stop him from attempting to protect his space.
Thanks for providing a well written and non-abusive post by the way. If BoB's other members could be adult more often, I might even start responding in a similar way myself (unfortunately they can't). -----------------
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese
Why dont you Celestetris guys join ASCN and fight the right couse against haxors?
They're too busy renting out Fountain while you're away 
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 10/10/2006 19:14:16
Originally by: Plim Yes Rod Blaine, I have read what Cyvok wrote and I think BoB are intentionally misinterpreting what he said. I don't think he was implying that he would crash the node on purpose, he was saying that he wouldn't allow CCP's hardware failings stop him from attempting to protect his space.
This is really the crucial issue. If deploying a large fleet to defend an outpost crashes the node, then so be it. ASCN have done nothing wrong.
Its not an exploit to defend a POS with the largest fleet possible, and if the servers were up to the 'challenge' there would be no node crash. BoB can hardly blame ASCN for Tranquilities instabilities.
Or are BoB suggesting that by brining large fleets to defend a POS that ASCN are somehow exploiting? Doesn't add up, I'm afraid.
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:13:00 -
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Quote: I think you are a stain on what the real Band of Brothers stood for.
Aah an oldie but goodie. Henry V stood for going round smacking people about because he was the boss and because he could. That's us. We happy few.
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 10/10/2006 19:17:49
Originally by: Plim
Thanks for providing a well written and non-abusive post by the way. If BoB's other members could be adult more often, I might even start responding in a similar way myself (unfortunately they can't).
There you go again..making me shame
Hint...you think you know what we talk about, but you dont ..and, do step infront of mirror next time to post soemthing like this, sou you could see its Plim standing infront of you...*adult
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Darcuese
Why dont you Celestetris guys join ASCN and fight the right couse against haxors?
They're too busy renting out Fountain while you're away 
OH, ITS ALIVE 
You still didnt make your move about becoming new EVE mesiah? *
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HordeZla
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Darcuese
Why dont you Celestetris guys join ASCN and fight the right couse against haxors?
They're too busy renting out Fountain while you're away 
Rolling rollling rolling, keep them wagons rolling along.....All we need now is a Band for them there wagons and its complete.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 10/10/2006 19:14:16
Originally by: Plim Yes Rod Blaine, I have read what Cyvok wrote and I think BoB are intentionally misinterpreting what he said. I don't think he was implying that he would crash the node on purpose, he was saying that he wouldn't allow CCP's hardware failings stop him from attempting to protect his space.
This is really the crucial issue. If deploying a large fleet to defend an outpost crashes the node, then so be it. ASCN have done nothing wrong.
Its not an exploit to defend a POS with the largest fleet possible, and if the servers were up to the 'challenge' there would be no node crash. BoB can hardly blame ASCN for Tranquilities instabilities.
Or are BoB suggesting that by brining large fleets to defend a POS that ASCN are somehow exploiting? Doesn't add up, I'm afraid.
We're not accusing, we are making fun of him.
If you find someone accusing Cyvok of that as seriously and in as delusional terms as Mr Mccreedy has used in his recent 'state of the union', make sure to call me.
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:28:00 -
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BOB has many GM's in the ranks.
BOB your players logoff to save pods too.
BOB your players copy bookmarks to lagg the node when fighting.
You say they all do it to you, but you do the samething if not more right back.
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Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 10/10/2006 19:14:16
Originally by: Plim Yes Rod Blaine, I have read what Cyvok wrote and I think BoB are intentionally misinterpreting what he said. I don't think he was implying that he would crash the node on purpose, he was saying that he wouldn't allow CCP's hardware failings stop him from attempting to protect his space.
This is really the crucial issue. If deploying a large fleet to defend an outpost crashes the node, then so be it. ASCN have done nothing wrong.
Its not an exploit to defend a POS with the largest fleet possible, and if the servers were up to the 'challenge' there would be no node crash. BoB can hardly blame ASCN for Tranquilities instabilities.
Or are BoB suggesting that by brining large fleets to defend a POS that ASCN are somehow exploiting? Doesn't add up, I'm afraid.
This is exactly what I mean. How is it BoB seem to have interpreted the same information in a completely different way I wonder? 
And Darcuese, as I have previously explained elsewhere my over the top antagonism towards BoB is a joke, I have been winding you up. I was mimicking the angry kid attitude that some BoB members have (not all) to see how you would react. I'm jacking in it in now though because it has started to get old.
If BoB had given people some level of respect you would never had found a single post like that from me ever. -----------------
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