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Archy Mayaki
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:09:00 -
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...and ratting bots are humans because in nullsec there are no bots. |
Dervinus
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
24
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:18:00 -
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I just read the manifesto and I am INSPIRED. When I get home from work, I am going suicide ganking for the rest of the day. James 315 for CSM |
Simyaldee
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
10
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:20:00 -
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You Sir have managed to pull me away from doing Homework and studying to actually take time to read the entire thing and post a decent reply. Congrats! Though you probably are just enjoying the reactions to all of this considering you have't posted anything else since the OP. Or are ignoring everything said negatively against you because you don't actually want to argue with people, you just want attention.
Started reading this thinking it would say something similar to what I know the motivations of miner suicide ganking in High Sec is, you shoot something it dies, and that's fun for you. End of story who the **** cares? Do I care about highsec botters/miners either? Not really, they like to mine or do something else in EVE that they enjoy by funding it with a mining alt etc. Once again, WHO THE **** CARES!
You lost most of my respect when you railed against the miners for doing something with near 100% safety and then when someone actually tried to provide a challenge to you(i.e. the person who tanked their hulk or the person who tried to 1v1) you quit and did nothing. You yourself state that you basically have zero risk while suicide ganking because your safe until Concord kills you and via a scam(If that is the real reason for your isk you have slightly less honor than the botters you rail against in my opinion) your isk needs are nil. Therefore because you can lose a large amount of ships and not have anything happen except go to 0.0 for ratting runs wheres the risk in it for you?
And for those who are wondering Suicide Ganking is PvP in its basest form if it could even be considered PvP at all. I guess the nuances require SOME skill but compared to someone who actually fights back the skill needed to gank is minimal.
I know people who gank and may participate myself at one point but let me see if I get this right. Fit something cheap with High Alpha, Blaster Vexor, Arty Thrasher etc or maybe something with Smartbombs. Warp to a belt, lock, maybe point or scram, kill, die, Rinse, Repeat...aside from finding the right ways to fit a ship or a good target wheres the skill?
I myself am a FW PvPer who uses Missions to fund my inevitable ships losses, I am currently training up an Industrial/Mining alt so that I can PvP more and mission less. I have been ganked in Jita and I have participated in ganks, at least in low sec.
So basically my response is thus.
10/10 for grammer and fluid language that make for a good read.
5/10 on logic
10/10 BJ skills for the Goonies, JUST because you were in goonswarm for a while and treat Kaartoom or wtf his name is and Mittens like God, Jesus Christ, Chuck Norris, Buddha, Ghandhi and Nelson Mandela all rolled into one doesn't mean you have any affiliation with Goonswarm. Right?
See You Starside
~Simyaldee |
Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
37
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:34:00 -
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Dietrich III wrote:If you too want to bring excitement back into this great game then take arms, rid the once pristine hisec ice belts of these heartless carebear desecrators and restore them to their former glory!
You're implying that the ones who harvest ice mines it 23.5/7. Then what about the legitimate players who only mine the ice they know they need for their POS? They're also "heartless carebear desecrators"? I'd say they have more right to be in the ice fields than the bots.
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Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
37
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:43:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Personally? Play the game however you want, if you find yourself having to justify it to other people then you're doing it wrong. Why give a flying crap about what other people think, so long as you're not breaking the game rules then your account is yours to do what you want with it.
I agree. Only one problem, though. Anyone who actually spent 5 hours reading the EULA will know that it outright forbids griefing. Paraphrased (because I don't remember the exact wording), it says: "Any player is allowed to conduct any kind of activities within the game, so long as the activities do not deprive another player of enjoyment of the game." Since griefing is all about this, it should technically be forbidden. But then again, I don't mind if bot-miners are getting ganked. It's their own fault for not being careful, and it does eliminate a bunch of competitors.
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Eoin Donovan
Almost Invisible Industries
Pax Romana Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:52:00 -
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While I agree with you in that mining all day every day is not my cup of tea, I can say (proudly) that I am a miner!! AND I live in wh's, AND I spend alot of time in lowsec AND I have taken part in my fair share of ganks, be they suicide or not.
Other than that I think that you are totally misguided, in every way,
I have but one rebuttal point, imagine if tomorrow CCP came and said "We're going to make hisec totally safe, from now on weapons can only be activated on rats and WT's"
There would be absolute OUTCRY!! VERY few people would support this course of action.
This is because of ONE simple reason, this would restrict the way people play THEIR game, that THEY PAY for, either with hard earned isk or with RL money.
So, thats my point, if they want to spend their whole day flying from the belt to the station and back again who the f**k are you to say they cant? Are you gonna pay their sub?
So why dont you take you naziesqe manifesto's and shove it
Also How dare you say that you are "Better" than anyone else, no-one is better than anyone else, everyone is equal, in or out of eve |
Roscada
We love Egg
1
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:57:00 -
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That's an awful lot of public ************. You must be chaffed. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
162
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Posted - 2011.12.02 17:59:00 -
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Anshio Tamark wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Personally? Play the game however you want, if you find yourself having to justify it to other people then you're doing it wrong. Why give a flying crap about what other people think, so long as you're not breaking the game rules then your account is yours to do what you want with it. I agree. Only one problem, though. Anyone who actually spent 5 hours reading the EULA will know that it outright forbids griefing. Paraphrased (because I don't remember the exact wording), it says: "Any player is allowed to conduct any kind of activities within the game, so long as the activities do not deprive another player of enjoyment of the game." Since griefing is all about this, it should technically be forbidden. But then again, I don't mind if bot-miners are getting ganked. It's their own fault for not being careful, and it does eliminate a bunch of competitors.
Really? I'm actually going to have to re-read the EULA again. The thing is from what you've paraphrased, such things are often open to personal interpretation, but it's usually going on measures such as verbal harassment and less about kicking your sandcastle over.
If they wanted to remove suicide ganking they'd have done more than just deny the insurance payout.
Personally the whole OP is a load of bull. If he really cared about bots and such he'd use the report bot function, this was a TL:DR of someone trying to justify the game they choose to play, which as I said before is doing it wrong. As long as it's legal, who cares?
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Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
208
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:07:00 -
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Simyaldee wrote:
So basically my response is thus.
10/10 for grammer and fluid language that make for a good read.
5/10 on logic
10/10 BJ skills for the Goonies, JUST because you were in goonswarm for a while and treat Kaartoom or wtf his name is and Mittens like God, Jesus Christ, Chuck Norris, Buddha, Ghandhi and Nelson Mandela all rolled into one doesn't mean you have any affiliation with Goonswarm. Right?
See You Starside
~Simyaldee
The bolded parts paint you as an amazingly smart individual with excellent reading comprehension.
Seriously copy pasting karttoon is way faster than typing ''Khwarthu'um or whatevz is name are''. Don't be ******** on purpose as a way to show off your lack of interest, it doesn't work.
edit: also don't manually sign your posts unless you're Mr Epeen 
I live, I post, I slay. I am content.
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Wolf Kruol
Capsuleer Legions Of New Eden
GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:11:00 -
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This is all that needs to be said,
Quote Malcanis
"You consent to PvP when you undock your ships, whether you accept this or not. There is no entitlement to safety." |
Petrus Blackshell
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
53
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:23:00 -
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I told myself I wouldn't comment, but I can't not. Great thread, 10/10, all that.
Mining as it stands as an activity is bot-fodder. Of course, there's no statistics on how many of the miners are actually botters, or they'd be banned already. However, enough of them are bot-like to the point of lack of self-preservation, which gives easy kills to suicide gankers.
Whether they kill miners for kicks, to pad killboards, or for an extensively-documented ideological crusade against bots is irrelevant. The beatings need to continue until morale improves (and the only ones being killed are bots). Or, until the mining system improves.
Look at PI, the other monotonous industry "I don't want to be bothered by PvP" activity. It doesn't even require you to be on site to make profit. However, it requires skill and knowledge beyond just knowing how to fit your ship (which is honestly a 10-minute endeavor in EFT). There are tons of good suggestions in F&I on how to do this, and I don't see suicide ganking stopping until botting and AFK mining stops.
To those who have pointed out that mission runners are just as bad, that is true, but they are also harder to operate with a bot. This results in a player being actually there, which can cause interesting consequences if you, say, do some ninja salvaging.
Rock on, OP, and keep resembling, at the same time, Mittani, karttoon, and that dude who led Germany in WWII whose name I can't type on the forums. |
Ulstan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:25:00 -
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I didn't even begin to read all that. It looks like a very ponderous rationalization of why you kill high sec miners.
Who cares?
I kill people in high sec because I can and because it is fun.
Whether or not they deserve it doesn't enter into it in the least. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
208
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:29:00 -
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Wolf Kruol wrote:This is all that needs to be said,
Quote Malcanis
"You consent to PvP when you undock your ships, whether you accept this or not. There is no entitlement to safety."
Actually you can get PVP'ed while still docked. Even If you merely buy at sell order prices you're technically being robbed of ISK.
Evidently, everyone who answered truthfully or commented sincerely on this glorious thread. That includes you
I live, I post, I slay. I am content.
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Thomas Abernathy
Beekeepers Anonymous
11
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:35:00 -
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This is very confusing, are people still getting ganked in highsec?
My personal Icebelt is pretty much Goon free, in fact they leave the system when I show up...
I'm beginning to think the Bees find the odor from my pod offensive...
Oh, and OP, you should get a job as a spam bot, cause you'd be great at it.
"Fighting CCD since 2139" |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
118
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:35:00 -
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What a load of self-serving drivel that was.
So basically you are saying that if I need minerals to make the stuff I sell, I have to buy them from some OTHER miners (such as the ones in nullsec who are completely innocent of botting) instead of mining them myself because if I do so, I am evil and I am protecting botters, and I deserve to be killed and harrassed because I'm trying to turn myself into a bot?
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
87
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:36:00 -
[166] - Quote
I bet he just typed the first 2 posts, and the other 8 are just copy/pastes from a cooking website or something.
NOBODY WILL READ YOUR WALL OF TEXT.
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Ulstan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:39:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Evidently, everyone who answered truthfully or commented sincerely on this glorious thread. That includes you
There's always that one guy in a thread who really, really cares whether or not other people care :D
I don't care why James kills high sec miners. You don't need a reason at all, really. You do it because you can.
All that matters is what you can do, and what you cannot do. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
483
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Posted - 2011.12.02 18:48:00 -
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Whoever said you are not entitled to safe doesnt know how to invest in safety entitlements.
How you invest into safety however is really up to you.
I just drift around and do silly things not normally predictable.
Now that I think about it think its about time of the year again for me to cloak up somewhere and observe the nearby wildlife (nulls sec allainces)
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Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
208
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:06:00 -
[169] - Quote
Here's a much more entertaining version of this manifesto.
It's quite simply the perfect text for this.
Warning, R-rated.
I live, I post, I slay. I am content.
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Nephilius
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
60
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:10:00 -
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Bill Lane wrote:You're an idiot. Finished the whole first post, wasn't worth my time to continue on.
This. I don't really need to paw through the trash to know there is nothing of value in it.
Quite honestly, the OP would have made Goebbels proud. The pure amount of rhetoric and propaganda contained in all those initial posts lays shame upon all the bullsh*t excuses previously spewed forth by madmen, murderers, and dictators in the annals of history. And that's what it is, total bullsh*t, and the OP hopes the fumes from such vast amount of offal will rob the reader of both senses and reason.
Two things that stood out to me. The OP admits to a hatred of miners, yet makes the claim of being a neutral observer. Shenanigans. That is an impossible feat. Let me give you an example of objectivity...
I do not agree with the playstyle of those who choose to mine, but I respect both that they pay for their sub, and they are allowed to play how they choose to.
To be truly objective, you must be apathetic, removed emotionally from whatever it is that you are discussing. Emotion of any kind will tip the scales one way or the other. So yeah, pretty much made the rest of it less editorial and more angry manifesto or hate propaganda.
The funniest, and rather moat ironic thing is the mention of both goons and bots. Though not actually not mentioned in the same sentence, I don't even think I need to delve deeper into that subject.
If anything, a post such as this obfuscates the true reason behind Hulkageddon and The Great Ice Interdiction. In no particular order...
A) KMs. Take those away and watch the entire PvP community suffer from the DTs en masse.
B) Griefing. Some people just aren't happy unless they are pissing in some else's Post Toasties.
C) Brown Nosing. Posts like this really feel like attempts at gaining approval from those with higher status than the author currently possesses. It makes me laugh to watch people sift through the droppings of those they wish to please most.
At any rate, while I do enspouse a live and let live policy concerning how others play the game, I'm rather put off to think that there are people out there who insist on insulting both my intelligence and the intelligence of the community in general. You want to gank people? Super, knock yourself out. Have a blast. Just don't try to spoon feed me a big bowl of Frosted F*ck-Me-Overs in the form of such drivel. You aren't going to impress anyone with such words.
If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt. |
Punctator
Black Souls Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:13:00 -
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who paid you James 315? for this propaganda crap? |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
9
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:14:00 -
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10/10 |
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:37:00 -
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The mountain of text, while impressive, misses the point entirely.
You do it out of boredom.
NULL is nothing but blue and your trigger finger itches.
Miners are a toothless and defenseless kill mail that provides the occasional tantrum as a bonus.
I don't understand the tantrum throwers, though (And this is coming from someone who plays mostly industrial characters)
Every sandbox has that kid who sits in the corner and eats the sand. Eve is no different. Pinheads gotta play too. :)
I just whip out another exhumer and carry on.
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Cipher Jones
124
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:41:00 -
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The TL;DR of this is eponymous.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Mr Bill Bravor
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.12.02 19:59:00 -
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People gank the miners Hi-Sec miners because if attacked the Russian or Goons it would be too much for them to handle. They have bots also and blob warfare is about as mind numbing as high-sec mining.
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Arlbash Dested
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 20:02:00 -
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Quote:I have but one rebuttal point, imagine if tomorrow CCP came and said "We're going to make hisec totally safe, from now on weapons can only be activated on rats and WT's." There would be absolute OUTCRY!! VERY few people would support this course of action.
This is because of ONE simple reason, this would restrict the way people play THEIR game, that THEY PAY for, either with hard earned isk or with RL money.
Or the way we could think about this is that it allows other people (carebears) to play the game they want to without being harassed by gankers (to be generous and call them that).
Suppose they did announce that - where would those complainers go? Low and null-sec - there's plenty of space there to fight over.
High sec is for carebears who don't want to bother with the rest of you. So far, the CB's tolerate an occasional gank, but why should they even have to tolerate that much? Especially when there are true bastards like the OP, or people who just revel in other people's misery.
My other two points remain:
1) if CCP worked to make the rest of the game more interesting, the gankers wouldn't get so bored to begin with.
2) if you want us to treat ships as throwaways, then don't make us work so hard (long) to earn them. How long did that first Raven or Hulk take you to get? Probably a few weeks at least, months if you include training time.
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Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
35
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Posted - 2011.12.02 20:07:00 -
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You know the fact that I and some of my cohorts mine in Hulk Gangs quite frequently (in High Sec no less and bank interesting amounts of isk due to bonuses, implants, and mindlinks) and the fact that that enrages you enough to write the wall of text you just did...
Makes me  |
Pavel Bidermann
whips chains and ballgags
Care Factor
19
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Posted - 2011.12.02 20:29:00 -
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OP is just some idiotic ganker how's using "words" to try to make himself feel better. We get it. You can't fight ships that can fit guns. Ratting's too scarry for you and missions are too hard. 
You're just shooting miners because they can't shoot back. If you really wanted to kill bots you would be in null. Oh, that's right. Your null sec alliances have standing policies against shooting those bots. Goons very publicly pointed out their policy of not shooting goon bots a little while back. After all, they're important to the alliance wallet. Gotta pay for that sov!
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
79
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Posted - 2011.12.02 22:30:00 -
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Nephilius wrote:Quite honestly, the OP would have made Goebbels proud.
Wasn't there just a thread about what is a 10/10 troll thread?
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Myrdraeus Keaunt
Physical Chaos
7
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Posted - 2011.12.02 22:52:00 -
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What about the hi-sec miner that's AFK mining to pay for a suicide ganking habit?
10 pages of argument just dusted with one question. HAH! |
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