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Elson Tamar
Lion Investments
61
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Posted - 2011.12.03 01:16:00 -
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The worst thing is though, worse than the tears, worse than the justifications is that suicide ganking is the eve equivelent of Burbury or Bejazzeling. Thats right suicide ganking is trending on twitter i may start building more thrashers for sale, damn need to mine to maufacture them so i can sell them.......
see where i went there?  |
hired goon
Legio Prima Victrix
Imperius Legio Victrix
17
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Posted - 2011.12.03 01:48:00 -
[182] - Quote
Read everything. Brilliant, well written, and a really enjoyable read.
However.
Though I do support suicide ganking as it adds spice and flavour to the game, and is true to the essence of Eve (as you say) I find your absolute loathing of miners distasteful, and harrowing. I am more likely to side with miners when faced with you. You make many assumptions and generalizations and appear - though articulate - very misguided.
I am surprised your hatred is not directed towards mission runners, honestly. To me they seem more to fit the bill of lifeless money-making bots who are completely detached from the spirit of eve, than miners do. |
Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial
Shadow Directive
67
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Posted - 2011.12.03 01:51:00 -
[183] - Quote
Nikola Aivoras wrote:Eve Antonovich wrote:Is there a tl;dr? TL;DR People say gankers are horrible people with no life. In response, I call all hisec miners bots, or if they aren't bots, they want to be anyway. Also, they are intrinsically evil. They are heartless, cold beings with one goal in mind - to make ISK the easiest way possible. In order to rid the earth of this scourge, all hisec miners, bot or not, should be scoured from the belts. I will now tell you pointless stories about my personal ganking achievements. CALL TO ARMS!! RID THE WORLD OF THESE MACHINE MEN!!!!
There is no way he spent that much time writing out such a stupid post. |
Alec Freeman
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
35
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Posted - 2011.12.03 02:09:00 -
[184] - Quote
10/10 great effort. Very high quality troll and I actually enjoyed the read. Bravo my brother. Bravo. |
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
61
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Posted - 2011.12.03 02:24:00 -
[185] - Quote
TLDR version: miners think suicide gankers just like griefing people, and that's about right. |
Sara XIII
The Helljumpers
22
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Posted - 2011.12.03 02:29:00 -
[186] - Quote
Best post ever.
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Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
61
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Posted - 2011.12.03 02:34:00 -
[187] - Quote
Alec Freeman wrote:10/10 great effort. Very high quality troll and I actually enjoyed the read. Bravo my brother. Bravo.
I'm giving it a 7/10. Certainly, 10/10 for effort, but IMO truly great trolling is an art of finesse, not brute force. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
440
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Posted - 2011.12.03 02:36:00 -
[188] - Quote
Honestly, you would have had me at "because they smell funny" had you gone that route.
Still, nicely done.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
xanaxred
Crimson Infamy
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
5
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Posted - 2011.12.03 02:41:00 -
[189] - Quote
I think allot of people need to respect how others play the game a bit more, everyone plays the game differently and we all pay or have payed real money to play EVE not to mention the time we have 'all' invested in EVE. By all means suicide gank if you want but don't think of yourself any higher just because someone else plays EVE different to how you do, it's just a game  |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:09:00 -
[190] - Quote
hired goon wrote:Read everything. Brilliant, well written, and a really enjoyable read.
However.
Though I do support suicide ganking as it adds spice and flavour to the game, and is true to the essence of Eve (as you say) I find your absolute loathing of miners distasteful, and harrowing. I am more likely to side with miners when faced with you. You make many assumptions and generalizations and appear - though articulate - very misguided.
I am surprised your hatred is not directed towards mission runners, honestly. To me they seem more to fit the bill of lifeless money-making bots who are completely detached from the spirit of eve, than miners do.
+1
This is why I ignore folks who tell me to go mission rather than mine. I prefer a profession that allows me to just redistribute ISK, not pump it in. It makes me feel more involved with other players when I place buy/sell orders.
Also, not all miners are bots. I'm a miner, but I don't mine for the ISK. I only do it to support my other habits: random pvp, stocking up weapons and ships for Hulkageddon, exploring low-sec and null-sec, etc. There is so much more to explore in Eve. But mainly I mine and I love it so much that I never AFK mine.
I love the sounds of strip mining beams hitting the asteroids and tearing them to shreds. I love looking at the scenery (which has recently improved my experience). But most importantly, I enjoying keeping an eye out for gankers. When I see a ganker, I don't see a griefer. I see player-to-player involvement. I see someone to talk to for the sake of having a conversation. But most importantly, I see mineral demand going up. It makes my profession feel that more important. |
Sir Smythe
Viziam
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:28:00 -
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An absolutely epic treaty! 315 may not have been the originator of the highsec gank miner ideology, but he is first I've read who put all the pieces together.  AND changed my mind about opposing it!
This logic can not be ignored by CCP. This is "exactly" what CCP has designed this game to do and become. They advertise this constantly: "1 person can make a difference in the universe."
CCP, you are getting what you wished for, so beware of nerfing it to much! |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2450
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:52:00 -
[192] - Quote
James 315, best 315. I recall reading his similarly lengthy pieces about the downfall of BoB during the Great War; I took great pleasure from watching the BoB wretches howl, denying those 315 posts or decrying them, only to see him proved entirely correct by events.
Do your part: murder a miner in hisec today!
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2450
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:56:00 -
[193] - Quote
Myrdraeus Keaunt wrote:What about the hi-sec miner that's AFK mining to pay for a suicide ganking habit?
10 pages of argument just dusted with one question. HAH!
proper gankers scam for isk :eng101:
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Sinistra Arc
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.12.03 04:07:00 -
[194] - Quote
Eve Antonovich wrote:Is there a tl;dr?
Yes.
And it's TLDR as well. |
Nor Tzestu
Wings of Strength
Innovia Alliance
24
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Posted - 2011.12.03 04:51:00 -
[195] - Quote
Read the whole thing, impressive skill at framing and communicating your thoughts. I enjoyed the read. |
Titania Hrothgar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2011.12.03 05:23:00 -
[196] - Quote
Hate? Disgust? Seriously? You actually have psychotic feelings for them? You think everyone should hate and despise them?
The OP sounds really disturbed :)
Titania Hrothgar |
Aamrr
HnL Enterprise
170
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Posted - 2011.12.03 05:23:00 -
[197] - Quote
Does it really count as an ad hominem when the ad hominem is the thesis?
Philosoraptor wonders... |
Vigh Tian
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.12.03 05:24:00 -
[198] - Quote
Oh snap! It's the Uniganker! |
Titania Hrothgar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2011.12.03 05:25:00 -
[199] - Quote
Also he talks about miners who bot... umm....
LOW SEC uses bots to... GATE CAMP :)
So... we're.... even? :)
This has been an amusing read though, thank you
Titania Hrothgar |
Pok Nibin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2011.12.03 05:30:00 -
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Now that's the biggest, steamiest pile of digital BS I've seen in the fifteen years I've been on the interweb thingy. The reason the vandals break everyone else's toys just to giggle amongst each other is because daddy didn't appropriately apply the leather to their hindparts when they were yanking the heads off their sisters' Barbis. The long explanation shows the sort of refinement expected from a brat who's lied his way out of every trangression since the terrible twos.
-10/10 Brevity is the soul of wit.
Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
Qansh
Triskelion Ouroboros
27
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Posted - 2011.12.03 05:42:00 -
[201] - Quote
So, I can't play EVE when I can't play EVE, like when I'm focusing on writing or something?
The OP is an "Attention Fascist", telling miners what to do, what to focus on GÇö that they should even have to focus on something.
It's always somebody telling someone else how to play the game instead of just playing their game the way they want to. Justify much? |
Alizandro Goderaski
Evolution
The Initiative.
11
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Posted - 2011.12.03 07:37:00 -
[202] - Quote
Great thread! love it, keep up the good work
edit: The game needs more people like you to make eve real. Your story is inspiring! Never give up! |
Logix42
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
10
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Posted - 2011.12.03 08:16:00 -
[203] - Quote
OP is slightly insane but..... eve takes all types ....
while i agree suicide ganking helps with the bot problem - which in my part of the universe is small - i have only this to say: If beating up helpless people is your thing... you are morally corrupt, enjoy your miserable life cause your not bothering me |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
47
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Posted - 2011.12.03 08:22:00 -
[204] - Quote
Eve Antonovich wrote:Is there a tl;dr?
Well, I didn't read that monstrosity but I suspect that it boils down to 2 reasons:
1. Tears.
2. Because they can.
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Jessie Kenan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.12.03 08:53:00 -
[205] - Quote
Damn good read. 10/10.
Reminds me of Inominate Nightmare's epics.
Got any more material? |
Illwill Bill
Svea Rike
Controlled Chaos
30
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Posted - 2011.12.03 09:19:00 -
[206] - Quote
Holy wall of text, Batman! 
I only kill my competitors.  |
Halcyon Ingenium
Warm Holes
38
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Posted - 2011.12.03 09:36:00 -
[207] - Quote
tl;dr Fallacy of Composition. Op's post is a bloated, over-wrought, self indulgent stop liking things that I don't like whine.
The fallacy here is, and it is subtle, is that the OP defines a bot as any self correcting system which seeks to maximize activity and minimize energy and material consumption/loss. This definition is so wide it could encompass every living thing ever. He then offers the caveat that he is exempt from his proscription because he wants to be there when the trigger is pulled. But he gives no justification as to why he should be allowed this exemption from his own proscription; only he knows he is there pulling the trigger. There is no Turing test issued before that trigger is pulled, so to everyone else, he is just a bot, by his own definition. If he allows himself the assumption that others are bots based on his own conjecture, then he must allow others such an assumption based on theirs. And this is where the manifesto outlining his struggle falls apart; he makes no such allowance and reveals either hypocrisy, or if he is unaware of the contradiction then it is simply a matter of a fallacy of composition. Some miners are bots, but it does not necessarily follow that all are, despite the natural min/max metagame that all living things engage in.
People say things like: "Oh, you make so much money. What do you need any more for?"
Well, actually, *****, I never asked for your opinion. I'll let you know when I have enough money.
-Gene Simmons |
Sturm Lemming
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 10:07:00 -
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Simples-the gankers are simple heads. Pin brains, kick happy scum. The sort that in rl are afraid to cross the road alone-chicken. They are by the group load unintelligent, pack orientated pin heads. Joke-Q:how many gankers would fit on the head of a pin? A: they never knew they can't count above 3. Har de har.
Ha ha happy go lucky me. |
Eins Zwei Drei
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 10:59:00 -
[209] - Quote
Epic! |
Halcyon Ingenium
Warm Holes
40
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Posted - 2011.12.03 11:03:00 -
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I'm not saying he shouldn't be ganking miners, I only point out that he doesn't need to write a book justifying it. But then maybe that's his game, if so more power to him. My critique of his troll... ahem, his manifesto still stands.
People say things like: "Oh, you make so much money. What do you need any more for?"
Well, actually, *****, I never asked for your opinion. I'll let you know when I have enough money.
-Gene Simmons |
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