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Nikola Aivoras
Lionheart Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:22:00 -
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Ethzera wrote:An interesting read which succeeded in changing my opinion of high sec miners.
Though this entire thread is going to be just people commenting on the sheer number of words, as if they've never read a book before in their life.
What, you believe the fantastic drivel this man has come up with?
I suppose you believe the people who tell you the grass is purple, even though you see that it is clearly green?
He has cited nothing. Everything in this thread is speculation based on speculation.
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Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
208
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:24:00 -
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''Brevity is the soul of wit''- Some dead guy who isn't really relevant to discussions about space miners and the killing thereof
Seriously I'm pretty sure I read something that would resemble the executive summary of this very large post somewhere on one of the many suicide ganking/propaganda/ice interdiction threads of the last few months. It was really unnecessary.
I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104 |
Ethzera
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:26:00 -
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Nikola Aivoras wrote:I suppose you believe the people who tell you the grass is purple, even though you see that it is clearly green? At least I have the capacity to accept that things may not be as they seem. Just because you see green grass doesn't mean it's truly green, or that it's even really there. But this is a philosophical discussion for another time. |
Du'Kar
Treasures Collectors Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:28:00 -
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Read it all while afk mining three accounts in hi sec....got any more reading material? |
Du'Kar
Treasures Collectors Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:29:00 -
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double post |
Nikola Aivoras
Lionheart Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:30:00 -
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Ethzera wrote:Nikola Aivoras wrote:I suppose you believe the people who tell you the grass is purple, even though you see that it is clearly green? At least I have the capacity to accept that things may not be as they seem. Just because you see green grass doesn't mean it's truly green, or that it's even really there. But this is a philosophical discussion for another time.
Spare me the new-age philosophical crap. It's a way for relativists to justify their actions when they can't find a reason in the real world. After all, the world is really an illusion, right?
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Tenchi Sal
Dust Bunnies 514
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:30:00 -
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This is your brain... This is your brain on drugs... any questions? |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
265
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:32:00 -
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I love Mittens, no homo Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
http://goo.gl/uX5vk |
SmashTech
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:33:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:I love Mittens, no homo
I love mittens, all the homo |
Russell Casey
One Ton Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:33:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:I love Mittens, no homo
But you're a girl.
Wait? Does that mean he's really a chick? |
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Jonni Favorite
Sundown Logistics SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:35:00 -
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It's time for miner strikes Test Department style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xgrkFOAF0Y |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
265
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:35:00 -
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I was merely making a factual statement, twit. Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
http://goo.gl/uX5vk |
Grozdan Boyadijev
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:37:00 -
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Obvious karttoon alt, but a good read.
8/10 quality points given. |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:40:00 -
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Reads like it was written from a small wood cabin in remote Montana The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle
153
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:41:00 -
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+1 person who actually read all of that.
I have to say, good read. It is these sort of characters that give EVE the depth that it has. I am glad that there are still people around willing to put this much thought into the game.
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Zions Child
Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:42:00 -
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What in god name is this? |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:44:00 -
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Nikola Aivoras wrote:Ethzera wrote:Nikola Aivoras wrote:I suppose you believe the people who tell you the grass is purple, even though you see that it is clearly green? At least I have the capacity to accept that things may not be as they seem. Just because you see green grass doesn't mean it's truly green, or that it's even really there. But this is a philosophical discussion for another time. Spare me the new-age philosophical crap. It's a way for relativists to justify their actions when they can't find a reason in the real world. After all, the world is really an illusion, right?
I love you.
Relativism is a plague that should have been eradicated at its source. |
Handsome Hussein
164
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:45:00 -
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Quality post, would read again. And again. BEFORE CRUCIBLE EVE WAS ON CRUISE CONTROL. After Crucible EVE didn't need cruise control. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:46:00 -
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Someone has spent too much time at uni writing long papers or something. I hope he does something else with his time besides writing long winded speeches. He should get a job working for a politician somewhere.
I could have said what he did in maybe only a few sentences.
I don't usually mine but I now have a strong urge to start mining again for some weird reason. |
Jonni Favorite
Sundown Logistics SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:47:00 -
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But seriously, cool story bro but WOW!!! dude this is a game and you wrote a manifesto that rivals Mein Kampf. Did you miss the daily dosage of whatever you're on? |
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Crexa
Star Mandate Property Management Solutions
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:48:00 -
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Someone had a paper to write for school 7000 words or more. "...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?" |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:51:00 -
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I think miners are sad sad people but you sir take the cake
Edit - and of coarse i didn't read it all CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:54:00 -
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So yeah basically, whoever was asking what a 10/10 was a few days ago.
Well you better believe in 10/10s You're browsing in one. I live, I post, I slay. I am content. Alpha Flight --á an open-source initiative for newbies looking for PVP. Join channel ''Alpha Flight'' in game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40104 |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
265
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:55:00 -
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Another reason Goons shoot random people is because they're all random pubbies who don't understand **** when it's spelled out for them
also James 315 is definitely not the mittani, I don't know how you could possibly draw that conclusion. They've both denied it, too, in case you were not swayed by my previous assertion.
And the OP is totally an aspie psycho. Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
http://goo.gl/uX5vk |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:57:00 -
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7420 words that prove that EVE is Real for some people. Today I lost my common sense, It slipped away between Amamake and Rens, I think it happened in highsec, Using a Brutix to gank a Providence. -- Flunk |
Lister
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:57:00 -
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I read the first two pages then lost interest - just one question however did the OP mention where the ore for the ships was gonna come from without miners ? |
Herrington Vance
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.02 03:58:00 -
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Beautiful work. |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.02 04:02:00 -
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#1) Miners counterbalance inflation to some extent. They produce most of the raw material that produces ships Contrast to mission runners who produce lots of ISK and little "real" value
#2) Miners provide squishy targets for those "humans" that like pulling the trigger - much easier targets than mission runners, who can be just as braindead. Consider a rattlesnake missioner: Load FOF missiles, turn on hardeners, warp into mission, launch drones, turn on launchers, do a soduku. Why do you hate the miner and not the missioner? I suspect you do hate the missioner, but aren't willing to spend the ISK to take them out as they have much stronger buffers. I occasionally mine or mission semi AFK just to get some ISK to fund other things. Then there is the incursion blitzer: Warp to OTA, AA DD (D) if alone, if contesting, shoot augas first then Deltoles, put drons on frigs. If logi, repair those taking the most damage. Its almost robotic. You can also often get fairly nice loot. I have more respect for the incursion gankers than the miner gankers.
#3) Miners obviously do take risks, as they are suicide ganked. You provide the risk. When its 100% certain you lose your ship, its not a risk, its a cost, the only risk a suicide ganker takes is that he won't kill the target before losing his ship. As a suicide ganker, unless you have a really low sec status, you are nearly untouchable before starting your attack. Unless people suicide attack you.... losing a ship to try and stop losing a ship... not a viable proposition.
#4) Miners have less room for adaptation, the mining ships cant fit a decent tank, they can't fight back, and they cant get protection because Concord protects the suicide gankers prior to the suicide attack. The miners only option is to flee It is for this reason I proposed some changes: * Allow players to attack other players with low security ratings without Concord intervention. I made a thread on this, but basically if your security rating is such that NPC police attack you in 0.7 space, other players can attack you in 0.5 space (or 0.8 and 0.6) Let players attempt to kill the suicide gankers before they suicide ganker starts his attack
*Add "Q ships" (aka combat ships that mimic miners, or ships that can be fit to be effective miners, or OK combat craft, but not both at the same time) so that miners can actually fight back |
Cozmik R5
Dock 94
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Posted - 2011.12.02 04:02:00 -
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WTFBS is this ?!?!
Best pro ganking propaganda ever! Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
227
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Posted - 2011.12.02 04:06:00 -
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die to a hail of blaster fire Every 6 seconds a ship is destroyed.-á Donate to the Crew Survivor's Relief fund via donation to Denidil.
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