Watch the Fanfest presentation on ship and module balancing. During the Q and A someone asks something very close to this and the basic answer is that they considered trying to discourage the practice by adding risk or otherwise tweaking things and it basically ended up being too complicated (and, I would assume, therefore exploitable or hard to deal with in the future) and there's a big capital rebalance coming that will hopefully fix a lot of concerns people have with the state of capitals in general.

The writings on the wall I'm afraid and we simply aren't valued as customers.

2 accounts down, one expires in a few hours and 8 days left on Rroff.

(Not playing brinkmanship or emo rage quitting - seems my play style isn't compatible with this game any more).

Just remember to contract your stuff to UAE before you go.

what i pay for in this game is relative to the money i give you ccp and if im dumping money into a game for a monthly sub and dumping money into the game to buy the ships i want and then you take away their significance you are taking money from me and hurting loyal paying customers that are keeping this game online, you are driving away all your older based cash cow capital pilots and that's just bad business

what i pay for in this game is relative to the money i give you ccp and if im dumping money into a game for a monthly sub and dumping money into the game to buy the ships i want and then you take away their significance you are taking money from me and hurting loyal paying customers that are keeping this game online, you are driving away all your older based cash cow capital pilots and that's just bad business

And what about the rest of the paying customers?

It's a MMO. If you don't expect stuff to change, you are thinking wrong.

And what about the rest of the paying customers?

Remote DD was kind of using a weapon system from off grid no?

I don't think it unreasonable as a paying customer to expect a little more care put into the change of a feature that takes a significant amount of investment however.

Skynet was cancer and you know it.
Fighters reaching ceptor speeds, while controlled by other ceptors.
Reminds me of another Skynet-type scenario from years ago that spelled game over for anyone caught by it - Nanophoons.
Risk - reward, get gud.

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask you to understand applying damage from off-grid is stupid.

There is no reason, with their new 6 week release time, to change the carrier's behavior to disallow usage of assigned fighters within 50km or so of a Control tower (to prevent garagedoor assists) and to enable a player to warp scramble a fighter, and to give it a run for 6 weeks to see how it fares. There is such a thing as overreacting, my friend, and CCP has done just that.

Yes, yes, if done "properly" XYZ would change. If done properly, we'd be seeing Naglfar usage spike tremendously, we'd see the Pantheon fleets lose archon after archon after being volleyed off the field, we'd see this, that, and the other thing. If we balance the game based on perfect situations, it's going to be very interesting, using the Chinese definition of "interesting".

There is no reason, with their new 6 week release time, to change the carrier's behavior to disallow usage of assigned fighters within 50km or so of a Control tower (to prevent garagedoor assists) and to enable a player to warp scramble a fighter, and to give it a run for 6 weeks to see how it fares. There is such a thing as overreacting, my friend, and CCP has done just that.

Unless it's a major PITA to code... The cyno for example require a module to be turned on so they probably were able to add some line of code on the item to perform the distance check before it can start and the effect can't be moved anyway as the cyno itself is in space and not on the ship. Carrier don't need any module to assist a fighter, didn't get locked into place and there was nothing to be locked in space since you could of bumped your own damn carrier as close as possible to the forcefield to just require a slight push to get it back to safety. It probably would of required them to create a new module just for that to anchor the carrier/super in space so it can't be bumped by any mean to be sure it can't be done in a similar relative safety.

And finally, instead of harping on how the mechanic should be removed, tell us why the other proposed changes in this thread are bad, in 5000 words or less.

A carrier running some kind of triage or bastion style mod for fighter delegation even bumped up against the FF is still relatively vulnerable - a "typical" skynet fit isn't very tanky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCVsQUlP81Q even a basic 3x gyro T2 fit nag put that thanny into half shields.

(Bare in mind that in the context of that video I purposely let one hit land for demonstration reasons - in reality that nag wouldn't have got a shot off if the carrier pilot was half on the ball and with no triage or bastion style module in effect).

That would be lending you credibility, which I don't intend to do.
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But what happen if when you jump or warp your nag to the POS where I am sitting if I bump my carrier inside the POS shield? Does the carrier become invulnerable for being inside the shield or does a triage module really prevent you from being bumped inside of it by any mean possible?

I really shouldn't have expected anything other than a dodge from an NPC alt. I really don't know why I'm disappointed.

So combine the two. Make a fighter assist module AND make sure it can't be used within 50k of a tower. No Archon will survive hostile fire long enough for it to edge back into the shields.

If it does not anchor you, what prevent me from bumping my own ship with an alt at the very edge of the POS shield or the POS itself to use my garage door to shield myself? Will the module stop working as soon as I get too close?

This thread has more pages than all the other nerf threads combined!

I am going to need a bigger bucket for all the tears... brb

The "garage door" type techniques would keep you safe (currently) but a carrier running a triage or bastion type module will take a bit of bumping even if its right up against the FF - by the time you've carried out the manoeuvre the carrier is potentially dead.

Disallowing fighter delegation within ~50km of the POS would have made sense with or without such a module and made it a lot harder to make a carrier too safe while delegating.