People are foolish thinking that killing the enemy super is the only way to victory. If you can make him go into his shield, you've won. If you can make him not want to log in for fear of possibly losing the super because every time he does log in so do several alts in system, you've won. If you can catch and kill his trigger ship, you've won. If you can catch and kill the super itself, then that's an enormous victory.

Each of those is in itself a victory. Problem is if some players don't see the enemy ship blow up they consider it a loss. Completely forgetting about tactical victories. Not everything is about killing the other player's largest ship.


Take the current war going on right now in Delve/Fountain. We have taken pretty hard loses in a couple of engagements, but have managed to maintain control of each timer. So at the end of the day, that's a win. Do we cry if we lose the isk war in a skirmish? No, because that's just one aspect of the game and we love it.

Here are a few things for you to think about:
Do null players cry for slowcats or drone assign to be nerfed? No, we accept it for what it is and we know we can do it right back if we so choose.
Do null players want bomb nerfs? Well maybe, but we know why they exist and accept it.
You see, unlike many spoiled players those who actually live in null typically accept and adapt to existing mechanics. We don't want CCP's hands in our sandbox. If we did we'd all play WOW where everything is homogenized so nobody had an unfair advantage over anyone else.

So you agree that skynet was pretty much immune to risk, and that it's ok to have an unfair advantage because this isn't wow.

gg

If the skynet carrier/super had been at any risk, CCP wouldn't have removed the mechanism. This is the reality.

Fighter assist was one of the fun things of having a carrier. There are many solutions to this where it does not have to be removed all together. For example, make it so that fighters cannot be assigned until 1000km from a pos shield or so. Problem solved... carriers are easy to probe and tackle and kill

So you agree that skynet was pretty much immune to risk, and that it's ok to have an unfair advantage because this isn't wow.

gg

If the skynet carrier/super had been at any risk, CCP wouldn't have removed the mechanism. This is the reality.

There are good and bad ways to go about addressing that however... going straight for the jugular and screwing over anyone who might use fighters completely unrelated to skynet might not sound like a problem to someone pro-small gang PVP... wait til that same principle is applied to something you care about.

There are good and bad ways to go about addressing that however... going straight for the jugular and screwing over anyone who might use fighters completely unrelated to skynet might not sound like a problem to someone pro-small gang PVP... wait til that same principle is applied to something you care about.

I might have missed something but it only means you can't just put your fighters to some Svipul anymore and kill everything in system that is moving, you need to be there to launch your drones.

Thoe complaints are like *OMG can't boost from inside POS FF anymore, RIP links* that got voiced the last time a similar impactful change came around.

Also, links amplify your ship's attributes. Skynet just adds a flat few thousand dps to anything.

People do use fighters outside of skynet style "pvp" - assign and assist no longer work on grid or off grid with fighters which makes them pretty much useless in reality for much of what they were used for outside of skynet.

As I've pointed out though skynet itself is pretty bad when done properly and had to go it doesn't sit right with me though that such a long standing feature that people who use it will mostly be long term players who've spent quite awhile training and so on to use can be casually wiped away with the wave of a hand and a fake feedback thread.

Yes, because anything where the Devs don't agree with you is 'fake'....
Yea right, grow up.
If the entire community had been on board with your POV then you might have some ground to complain, but most people were not in favour of the assign, and a lot also weren't in favour of a simple 'Assist as if drone' mechanic either.

I've got news for you buddy, I do speak for the majority of null sec and likely a good chunk of low who have any actual ties to the use of supers. It's you who are in the minority here.

Can we also add that carriers and dreadnoughts basically can't really defend themselves against even a small group of attackers?

Can we also add that carriers and dreadnoughts basically can't really defend themselves against even a small group of attackers?

they do have a 3% chance to do full damage with every volley no matter what, so if they pick small things they could potentially alpha them. (I am assuming that all dreads have 3 turrrets, i wouldn't know i haven't looked at all of them)

I'm also no statistician but I think there is also a .02% chance of them doing x2 full alpha and .0001% of them doing x3 full alpha with every volley.

If your only options to counter the mechanic are running away or driveby doomsdays (good luck getting enought DPS to kill a carrier before it sucks the shields) then it's a pretty safe mechanic.

Which is WHY WE ASKED FOR A BUBBLE AROUND A POS WHERE YOU COULD NOT DELEGATE FIGHTERS. Additionally, forcing a retreat of a hostile carrier into the POS shields or to dock would be considered a "win" by any reasonable person.

I think voting on nerfs should only be allowed by people who trained the skills in question. I'm so tired of training up skills only to have them nerfed because of whining from ppl who haven't taken the time or isk to train the skill they complain about. Fighter assist is one of the reasons I trained carrier skills on my main. No fighter nerfs please.

ok so i dont get this, the problem here is that fighters can be assigned to people from just outside a POS force field so the solution by CCP here is to get rid of the entire mechanic, where in the thread about Removal of Cap jump bridges there is just a denial of use around a POS.... why the hell cant ther be a denial of Fighter assignment just outside a POS for capitals instead of removing the feature entirely?????