It's done. Get over it now.

And Skynet was never an iwin button. It was never this fullproof and safe method. If you tried doing it more than a handful of times you'd notice alts coming into local and logging off in safes and logging back in immediately when the skynet carrier would sign on. People could easily set up traps, bait and kill a Skynet carrier or super. Seeing as they fit zero tank, just one or two dreads or doomsdays would pop them. The problem wasn't really Skynet, it was lazy and risk adverse people thinking they should just remove an enitre gameplay mechanism because they felt entitled to kill **** with minimal work using frigs and cruisers in small gangs. I refuse to reward devs who coddle those kinds of players to the exclusion of vets who have invested significant training time and isk into acquiring their assets.

We do not want skynet back at this point. Most of us former skynetters realize it's OP-ness.

We want the damn assist/guard that we were honey dicked into believing we would get.

No, it doesn't work that way. We pay for this game, we get to have an opinion on how it works.

Totally, sometimes nerfs are needed to things. And sometimes Nerfs are needed in one area before buffs can come in another.

So does everyone else though.
And everyone else read the bragging about how broken assisting 50 fighters to an interceptor was even if it had to be on grid.
And the bragging about how the 50km POS bubble was easy to get around also.
And all the other bragging.

And so did CCP, hence why you didn't get assist as a replacement most likely.
Just take your carriers on grid, and launch fighters from 250km at stuff. Is it a nerf, Totally, sometimes nerfs are needed to things. And sometimes Nerfs are needed in one area before buffs can come in another. Because if you do both at once you can't see that the change has had its intended effect.

So does everyone else though.
And everyone else read the bragging about how broken assisting 50 fighters to an interceptor was even if it had to be on grid.
And the bragging about how the 50km POS bubble was easy to get around also.
And all the other bragging.

And so did CCP, hence why you didn't get assist as a replacement most likely.
Just take your carriers on grid, and launch fighters from 250km at stuff. Is it a nerf, Totally, sometimes nerfs are needed to things. And sometimes Nerfs are needed in one area before buffs can come in another. Because if you do both at once you can't see that the change has had its intended effect.

You can only assign 5 fighters to 1 interceptor.
Nothing stopped the idiots getting killed from warping away, jumping the gate, bringing more ships, hot dropping the carrier, etc etc ETC...

Bunch of noobs crying because they are getting killed by OVERWHELMING forces DEFENDING their space.

CCP just give mini doomsdays to ceptors and lets call it a day, i'm sure the noobs will finally be happy nothing can kill them, and they can kill anything.

If your only options to counter the mechanic are running away or driveby doomsdays (good luck getting enought DPS to kill a carrier before it sucks the shields) then it's a pretty safe mechanic.

People are foolish thinking that killing the enemy super is the only way to victory. If you can make him go into his shield, you've won. If you can make him not want to log in for fear of possibly losing the super because every time he does log in so do several alts in system, you've won. If you can catch and kill his trigger ship, you've won. If you can catch and kill the super itself, then that's an enormous victory.

Each of those is in itself a victory. Problem is if some players don't see the enemy ship blow up they consider it a loss. Completely forgetting about tactical victories. Not everything is about killing the other player's largest ship.


Take the current war going on right now in Delve/Fountain. We have taken pretty hard loses in a couple of engagements, but have managed to maintain control of each timer. So at the end of the day, that's a win. Do we cry if we lose the isk war in a skirmish? No, because that's just one aspect of the game and we love it.

Here are a few things for you to think about:
Do null players cry for slowcats or drone assign to be nerfed? No, we accept it for what it is and we know we can do it right back if we so choose.
Do null players want bomb nerfs? Well maybe, but we know why they exist and accept it.
You see, unlike many spoiled players those who actually live in null typically accept and adapt to existing mechanics. We don't want CCP's hands in our sandbox. If we did we'd all play WOW where everything is homogenized so nobody had an unfair advantage over anyone else.

and not have the same amount of risk associated with it?

Not sure thats as simple a subject - the logistics of just one of the capital module alone on that carrier is probably more than the entire ishtar that invariably the pilot complaining about risk is flying :S

End of they day skynet is/was bad and had to go that doesn't mean however that the way CCP has chosen to go about that is in anyway a good solution.

I've always considered the pre-work done to acheive these kinds of things as a last concern. Usually reserved for comparing it to similar features rather than to the rest of the game as a whole. Otherwise things get very convoluted trying to make them work out properly.

And stop pretending to speak for the majority. You in no way can try to use the silent majority to bolster your opinion.

Please explain why you can't carrier rat anymore? Or you mean you can't keep your carrier safely off grid while gaining more than normal DPS & tracking on fighters from a max DPS/Tracking fit?
Just take it on grid and rat with it. Still works.

CCP have not screwed your playstyle, you don't want to take the risk that should have always come with that play style.
Also your overhead has dropped since you can gate jump the carrier with a scout (Hey you have two accounts even) so moving it around no longer needs cyno's.

Lock times from the hulls themselves + nerfed fighter scan res means over a minute from beginning targeting to applying DPS to your target.

Could've left in on-grid assist to alleviate that, but nope. Removing it means there is no reason to fighter rat, and supers which can't field regular drones are now completely useless for both ratting and subcap PVP whether on grid or not.