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Nira Li
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: Nira Li on 22/10/2006 01:05:28
Originally by: fuze
Originally by: Rebellion Why can't ASCN, being the biggest and richest alliance in the game, fight BoB without demonizing us? What more motivation could be necessary when ASCN has the industrial capacity not to care about battleship losses? Why do things have to turn rancid?
This one I gotta tackle.
During the beesquatting sessions you held in the Syndicate you pretty much started to demonize the goonies. I even remember telling you guys going too far on it back then. So complaining about it is rather silly. (Come to think of it. I could sift through some old posts and recycle some of the good stuff you wrote about the goonies back then.)
Besides that the fact that you state what is happening on the ASCN forums is to be said the truth. I may have missed out some linkies or transcripts but let me use a popular catchphrase 'proof please'.
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8051/johnblogoct19xn5ra0.jpg
there's one
see you in POTBS
You Will Cry My Name
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.22 01:07:00 -
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Edited by: fuze on 22/10/2006 01:13:29 I didn't compare ASCN with goonies but with you guys. Demonizing 4tl.
If there would be a similarity between ASCN and goonies it would be loosing ships would it?
edit: Thanks for the good read Nira Li. Its not 100% sure proof but fabricating this would be a total bore. But I do think you guys make a heck of a lot of a fuss about this altogether. So what gives if you guys decide to go or not to go? Won't change that much in Eve anyway.
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.22 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
... whats wrong with you people ?
If you don't like something don't read it, if the forums are too banal for your tastes, DON'T READ THEM....
Some of us actually enjoy the pointless banter and chestbeating by either side ITS FUN to watch, and personally it makes me chuckle.
If your sensiblities are offended by such primitive behaviour then what are you doing in this thread?
.. seems to me like you are the one taking things a little too seriously.
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Im not (although tbh it probably does read that way) saying that there should be no banter at all on the forums. Rather im saying that in this case its reached the point that its no longer just playfull banter but increasingly pointless spam. It can be interesting to watch if its going somewhere. but post after post after post of dead end trash just isnt interesting to read. & unfortunately for me at least, its reached the point where I simply skip through most threads after the op coz i cba to skim through the rubbish to get to the interesting stuff (theres 16pages of this thread alone i havent looked through). I dont have the time/patience.
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JINX HSC
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche
As i see it, however, BoB can hardly claim to not be writing such equally demonizing & accusative material. As i pointed out the batch of Star Wars inspired sigs, while amusing, are as full of accusations of cheating & suchlike. Simularly there have been several BoB threads (admittedly not recently) where BoB posters have twisted events to their advantage & in mockery of ASCN. The only real difference at the base of it between these & the ASCN private board posts are that BOB are funny, & we appreciate humor.
So i guess my point is, while i do think that BoB & indeed any entity that finds potentially damning accusations being levelled against them, they should pre-empt &/or counter them. However, BoB have, in their sigs & some forum posts, countered ASCN's accusations & distortions with their own, equally as bad only funnier. & after all, we all hear about RED being a bunch of exploiting, isk selling, macro baddies; This forum is full of it if you look back a bit. but few ppl take it seriously that they all are.
Well humor is a major part in our world of eve. We play for fun.
The sigs are just sarcasm of the posts/blogs that ASCN produce.. look at the sigs as story tellers about the life in ASCN (whit sarcasm and irony). Not to accuse anyone for anything .. just telling the story (ofc the way we se it.. we only have our own eyes)
//mask - KLADDKAKA -
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FubarSF
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.22 02:14:00 -
[575]
Is it just me or has the price of Tinfoil gone up ?
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Ordep
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: FubarSF Is it just me or has the price of Tinfoil gone up ?
It¦s you
Made in Portugal
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.22 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: JINX HSC
Well humor is a major part in our world of eve. We play for fun.
The sigs are just sarcasm of the posts/blogs that ASCN produce.. look at the sigs as story tellers about the life in ASCN (whit sarcasm and irony). Not to accuse anyone for anything .. just telling the story (ofc the way we se it.. we only have our own eyes) //mask
Dont get me wrong i think some of them are funny. But like any boarderline humor some of them teter dangerously close to the edge of the line that seperates funny from just insulting/offensive.
ooo look at me. posting off topic in a thread after ranting about it. probably should re-edit that part. & indeed probably just delete the lot. But i still stand by my assertion that the BoBbits are guilty of mass spammage (although on the plus side its more constructive then it was earlier in the war) & that neither side can claim to be whiter then white when it comes to demeaning/offending the other.
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Ordep
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche
Originally by: JINX HSC
Well humor is a major part in our world of eve. We play for fun.
The sigs are just sarcasm of the posts/blogs that ASCN produce.. look at the sigs as story tellers about the life in ASCN (whit sarcasm and irony). Not to accuse anyone for anything .. just telling the story (ofc the way we se it.. we only have our own eyes) //mask
Dont get me wrong i think some of them are funny. But like any boarderline humor some of them teter dangerously close to the edge of the line that seperates funny from just insulting/offensive.
ooo look at me. posting off topic in a thread after ranting about it. probably should re-edit that part. & indeed probably just delete the lot. But i still stand by my assertion that the BoBbits are guilty of mass spammage (although on the plus side its more constructive then it was earlier in the war) & that neither side can claim to be whiter then white when it comes to demeaning/offending the other.
Go back to nature as your sig says and leave EvE and EvE-O to the ones that are looking for some fun, mkay !!??
Made in Portugal
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Ordep
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ordep on 22/10/2006 03:15:05
Made in Portugal
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Beyond Horizon an update on the war please for teh 3rd parties?:p
test
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Pehova Mindtriq
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:10:00 -
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So what is this thing I read about lots of bob is going all out attack before quiting eve? Sounds like propaganda to me or is it something bob themselves have announced? maybe missed it among the hundreds of post about bob vs ascn.
Celes/Toxin vs BOB |
DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq So what is this thing I read about lots of bob is going all out attack before quiting eve? Sounds like propaganda to me or is it something bob themselves have announced? maybe missed it among the hundreds of post about bob vs ascn.
Don't worry peh, it was a pile of crap made up by cyvok and spilled to the ASCN dudes by mcreedy in some vain effort to make the ASCN dudes think they could outlast us or something.
It's complete lies, we'll be here when the servers close.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Hast
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq So what is this thing I read about lots of bob is going all out attack before quiting eve? Sounds like propaganda to me or is it something bob themselves have announced? maybe missed it among the hundreds of post about bob vs ascn.
please come join them in their attack against us because we are leaving eve in six months for POTBS
Madeye Mcgreedy is claiming that we are leaving eve in six months. Compare that to the other things in his blogs and his other "intel" and then make up your own mind about it
Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Rikeka on 22/10/2006 11:15:27 Not checked this excuse of a thread since page 15.
¿Demonizing¿ BoB 101.
Now... BoB does not need ASCN private convos, private posts on private forums, or anything like it (first of all, who can tell us they are true? Remember we were once all told that BoB had no Teamspeak Spies! A BoB will probably come and tell us they are true... But you will actually 100% trust him? Never seen an ASCN member confirming them!) for them to feel offended! How can they be when they are the only people bumping this thread about them being offended? Attention *****s... j/k :D
Fact is I can`t tell what BoB posts on their forums because I have no forum spy nor TS spy (on them or anyone else, LOL). ASCN does? Dunno, for sure they are not sharing. Maybe BoB is using propaganda too, or worse, maybe BoB leaders are tampering the killboard, lying their members about their goals/success/etc?
How can we tell? Because 100 BoB`s will come here and tell me they don`t? Like with the TS thingie? We have been lied before with the TS thingie.
Will not fall for that one again.
As I`m not ASCN, never got the urge to join their forums, probably never will. Never tried to join BOB`s because there is no point. Plus, I`m no BoB.
I`ll be told: ¿We don`t use propaganda, we don`t need it.¿ strikingly similar to: ¿We don`t use TS spies, we don`t need them.¿
[i]Disclaimer: This war is being fought in the game, and how some factions try to translate it here is stupid, childish, and pointless. There is also no point in compare with the BoB/GS war... because GS probably made something stupid, and got it coming.
Not ACTUALLY claiming that whatever BoB members posts is automatically a lie. But as we have been lied before, why ponder on it? Nothing personal against BoB, every time I find one in battle is all ¿GG, GJ, GL, Cya¿.
My point is that as only the stupid can fall for whatever BoB says (yes, I say this even when I truly believed once that TS spies were a myth) and post back, there is no point: ASCN is completely avoiding any BoB thread, so you`ll (by everyone) never get a full account of what is going on. That basically means that BoB says the truth? No.
[EDIT] And BoB will not go to POTBS... but don`t give them ideas. ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------ |
IntegralHellsing
Gallente Blazing Saddles
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nira Li http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8051/johnblogoct19xn5ra0.jpg there's one see you in POTBS oh and an other
that just proves that i was right about strategic points of TCAG. thank you. (if in doubt, check the posts i made in early October. I wrote something about TCAG being a strategic point to ASCN.) ------------------------------
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Hast
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Hast on 22/10/2006 11:40:34
Originally by: Rikeka
I`ll be told: ¿We don`t use propaganda, we don`t need it.¿ strikingly similar to: ¿We don`t use TS spies, we don`t need them.¿
[i]Disclaimer: This war is being fought in the game, and how some factions try to translate it here is stupid, childish, and pointless. There is also no point in compare with the BoB/GS war... because GS probably made something stupid, and got it coming.
Well, all sides us propaganda, but its a matter of backing it up ingame instead of crying foul on the forums. Because in the end, propaganda is a tool, it might work on its own for a while, but sooner or later action needs to be seen afterall. And this is where ASCN fails.
Fair point about the GS war tho, I'll give you that
Originally by: Rikeka
Not ACTUALLY claiming that whatever BoB members posts is automatically a lie. But as we have been lied before, why ponder on it? Nothing personal against BoB, every time I find one in battle is all ¿GG, GJ, GL, Cya¿.
Well, that is what we are here for. Want our respect? bring it, and you get respect. Win or loose, atleast you fought hard for your land. Sit in your POS all day, be bored and ridiculed, because that is all you deserve. Have 280 people spread out over 3 systems against 150 and refuse to engage? then you dont deserve to be in eve and we will wipe you out.
What bugged me the most about that incident last night was when your AZN fleet moved up to 2i and just sat there while you did your petty fighter bombings to wich we lost a total of one interdictor and you lost possibly a billion isk in fighters was sad. I sat up till almost 4am local time waiting for you guys to do something, wich you didnt. Why? you had superior numbers, you had capital ship support albeit you wasted alot of fighters doing nothing.
In the end it ended up with us jumping into 2i- and the node crashing. and then you scream exploit because we deliberatly crashed the node when you bring well over 250 people to fight, then the nodes will crash regardless of the size of the opposition. And yet again, no, we dont use any lame nodehax to log in faster.
Originally by: Rikeka
My point is that as only the stupid can fall for whatever BoB says (yes, I say this even when I truly believed once that TS spies were a myth) and post back, there is no point: ASCN is completely avoiding any BoB thread, so you`ll (by everyone) never get a full account of what is going on. That basically means that BoB says the truth? No.
[EDIT] And BoB will not go to POTBS... but don`t give them ideas.
When has it been said that BoB has not used TS spies? and if it was its called misinformation. And yet again I welcome you to expose any socalled BoB lie with proof. I am getting tired of being called a lier and then have no proof presented. Rikeka, I'm calling you out. Proof or shut up.
I realize that Rikeka is a member of Axiom empire and alot of this post is directed at ASCN, but meh, I cant be bothered.
P.S. Nice trying to spin sitting in a empty system for four hours being better then sitting at a POS for four hours and calling it a victory over BoB CYVOK
Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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Hast
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rikeka Edited by: Rikeka on 22/10/2006 11:15:27 Not checked this excuse of a thread since page 15.
Good choice, not much has come forth since then
Originally by: Rikeka
Demonizing¿ BoB 101.
Now... BoB does not need ASCN private convos, private posts on private forums, or anything like it (first of all, who can tell us they are true? Remember we were once all told that BoB had no Teamspeak Spies! A BoB will probably come and tell us they are true... But you will actually 100% trust him? Never seen an ASCN member confirming them!) for them to feel offended! How can they be when they are the only people bumping this thread about them being offended? Attention *****s... j/k :D
Fact is I can`t tell what BoB posts on their forums because I have no forum spy nor TS spy (on them or anyone else, LOL). ASCN does? Dunno, for sure they are not sharing. Maybe BoB is using propaganda too, or worse, maybe BoB leaders are tampering the killboard, lying their members about their goals/success/etc?
First of all, if you managed to get on the BoB forums, you wouldnt find that much interesting, since there is just mostly naked pictures of Siddy there. And most of the interesting stuff is prolly in the forum section for the CEO's and directors. Thats lesson one in keeping security tight
Secondly, There is no denying that we both have spies and are using them, its just a matter of having a modus operandi that minimize the damage that said spies can do. Because there is ways you know, both on TS and on forums... And also, BoB works in a entirely different way then ASCN that makes it alot easier to weed out spies since we have stricter recruitment policies, better screening then most of the ASCN corps and you have to participate and make yourself useful if you want to enjoy your stay with us.
And regarding the socalled faking of killmails... its impossible, unless you have half of BoB involved in faking killmails, and then the leaderships point about boosting the average joe's morale would be nigh, since it would have to be them helping to fake killmails... I for one havent see any killmail I've been on that I cant remember being there shooting the guy. So it is impossible for the leadership to boost the stats to help morale, atleast in BoB. And doing so would only dig your own grave, because sooner or later the fish will smell rotten
Bottom line is, you cant lie to a BoB member like that because we are on the frontline seeing for ourselves what the deal is. We dont sit huddled away in empire waiting for the all clear
Originally by: Rikeka
How can we tell? Because 100 BoB`s will come here and tell me they don`t? Like with the TS thingie? We have been lied before with the TS thingie.
Will not fall for that one again.
As I`m not ASCN, never got the urge to join their forums, probably never will. Never tried to join BOB`s because there is no point. Plus, I`m no BoB.
What really is a BoB? Is it what we have been portrayed as by certain members of ASCN?
Is a BoB someone who lives in his moms basement using the headshot macro and generally not being a productive member of society as CYVOK eloquently put it?
Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hast What really is a BoB? Is it what we have been portrayed as by certain members of ASCN?
Is a BoB someone who lives in his moms basement using the headshot macro and generally not being a productive member of society as CYVOK eloquently put it?
Great post till here: WTF? Never talked about moms (sacred thing) and basements. Plus, if you are underage and you live in your parents house, it`s not like you have a choice.
(I say this even that whenever I get back to my family city for business I never stay in a hotel, if you know what I mean: Home-made cooking ftw!) ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------ |
Hast
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Hast on 22/10/2006 12:03:38
Originally by: Rikeka
Originally by: Hast What really is a BoB? Is it what we have been portrayed as by certain members of ASCN?
Is a BoB someone who lives in his moms basement using the headshot macro and generally not being a productive member of society as CYVOK eloquently put it?
Great post till here: WTF? Never talked about moms (sacred thing) and basements. Plus, if you are underage and you live in your parents house, it`s not like you have a choice.
(I say this even that whenever I get back to my family city for business I never stay in a hotel, if you know what I mean: Home-made cooking ftw!)
you said, I'm no Bob and I asked what is a Bob, I'm sorry if I misread your post, but as I said, it was more aimed at the socalled demonizing that ASCN has been using against us.
edit: and as I stated in the end of my post, it ended up being mostly aimed at ASCN anyways, so I'm afraid your just collateral damage
Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:08:00 -
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Quote: What Hast said in 2nd post
1) Fair enough. If BoB`s considers propaganda a big important part of the game, then you obviously understand that ASCN does too.
2) I really can`t tell about that fight, as I was not there (was not logged, nor I would have gone that much south for a fight, though sometimes I do). Still, nice to know your point of view on that particular battle, would like the point of view from ASCN...
3) Torres, and many others, claimed, exactly: ¿We don`t use TS spies, we don`t need them¿ If I happen to found it again, cool; will post it. That statement lately has shifted to ¿Never FC`ed with help of a TS spy¿. You are telling me now that BoB never denied having TS spies?
PS: Sorry for the format of the post. Every time I try to directly quote you (click on the ¿Quote¿ button¿), my window crash. This computer sucks, and this was the only way to post. Again, sorry. ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------ |
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente Blazing Saddles
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:08:00 -
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It is hard to earn respect from BoB gangs unless it's a really good fight. I for once don't think i got that respect. Only managed a really short chat with BoB ONCE. XD
It was my blaster mega vs 2 Rook, 1 Thorax, 1 dictor and 6~8 inty. Was going to collect some loot that an alliance member lost, but I fell into a trap. (yeah, realized that as soon as i jumped.) I managed to pop that Thorax, jumped and docked. (The Rooks couldn't jam me until the very end. ECCM helped a bit.)
They followed me, but it was too late. They had aggro time so they couldn't jump straight, while i popped that Thorax, waited and jumped. (Was on half-hull. dmg control FTW!)
After that, had a little chat for about a min or two, then they left local bidding a farewell. Some of them are nice guys. They don't smack talk. (They only smacktalk if the enemy hides and never thinks of engaging. Or when the enemy starts smacking in local.)
It is only when you fight a hard battle and win, that BoB respects you fully. If you fight a hard battle and lose, I think they might respect you a bit. Not saying that I got that respect, but surely they talk more than usual as if they were dumbfounded . Was happy that they were more than war machines. :P
So, you want their respects? (Other than just receiving gg, gj, gl, gf, bb, etc.) Get the fighting going 23/7. The only reason BoB smacks ASCN all the time is because ASCN sits in POS most of the days unless they have a really easy ganking to do. (Not sure about AXE.)
Don't just play hide and seek. Try to fight, even if it makes you lose. Maybe BoB would smack in the forum for your loss, but at least you will know yourself that you had a good fight and you know BoB did as well. ------------------------------
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Lacero Darklighter
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Lacero Darklighter on 22/10/2006 12:14:54 alts :(
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Lacero Callrisian
Minmatar Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
It's complete lies, we'll be here when the servers close.
tbh you're gonna be very lonely, everyone else is leaving for potbs :)
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.22 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion Why can't ASCN, being the biggest and richest alliance in the game, fight BoB without demonizing us? What more motivation could be necessary when ASCN has the industrial capacity not to care about battleship losses? Why do things have to turn rancid?
Originally by: Hast you said, I'm no Bob and I asked what is a Bob, I'm sorry if I misread your post, but as I said, it was more aimed at the socalled demonizing that ASCN has been using against us.
Socalled eh? The two of you are out of sync apperently.
Originally by: DB Preacher It's complete lies, we'll be here when the servers close.
Guess we'll meet at the afterparty. Lemme buy you a beer then. |
Hast
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: fuze
Originally by: Rebellion Why can't ASCN, being the biggest and richest alliance in the game, fight BoB without demonizing us? What more motivation could be necessary when ASCN has the industrial capacity not to care about battleship losses? Why do things have to turn rancid?
Originally by: Hast you said, I'm no Bob and I asked what is a Bob, I'm sorry if I misread your post, but as I said, it was more aimed at the socalled demonizing that ASCN has been using against us.
Socalled eh? The two of you are out of sync apperently.
Originally by: DB Preacher It's complete lies, we'll be here when the servers close.
Guess we'll meet at the afterparty. Lemme buy you a beer then.
well, out of sync isnt quite correct. Its just that I dont like that term. They are calling us names tho. Getting called a unproductive member of society, quake kiddie and well a whole lot of other things really makes me cry. no really it does...
Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.22 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hast well, out of sync isnt quite correct. Its just that I dont like that term. They are calling us names tho. Getting called a unproductive member of society, quake kiddie and well a whole lot of other things really makes me cry. no really it does...
Hitting the bottle again? Ah......... how cute.
Btw good attempt to try to distract us from the fact that you were contradicting Rebellion. |
Hast
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Hast on 22/10/2006 14:35:34
Originally by: fuze
Originally by: Hast well, out of sync isnt quite correct. Its just that I dont like that term. They are calling us names tho. Getting called a unproductive member of society, quake kiddie and well a whole lot of other things really makes me cry. no really it does...
Hitting the bottle again? Ah......... how cute.
Btw good attempt to try to distract us from the fact that you were contradicting Rebellion.
I'm sorry contradicting how?
He uses the word demonizing, and I prefer to just say namecalling. Its just the wordusing thats different. The end result that ASCN wants to get is the same. And its also just two sides of the same coin. You are arguing semantics here and frankly, its boring and not really a issue imo. It seems to me that you have either misread or misinterpretated my post. Or I diffused my point to much.
Frankly I dont see the point in this discussion with you, because in the end ASCN leadership IS calling us names, wether you dub it namecalling or demonizing is just two sides of the same coin really.
edit: spelling
P.S. due to a viral infection I cant drink alcohol till mid january so my rantings are non alcoholrelated
Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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Romulus Maximus
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rikeka Stuff
Hast has addressed most if not all of ur points. Every great war will involve propaganda. They was ASCN use it, is against thier own members. Cryvok and Madeye spin little facts and figures to suit thier needs. To make thier members beleive what they want them too. Some of the stuff is so far fetched, its hard for me to comprehend how ppl can actually take it for gospel. I know leaders need to keep troops motivated, but blatant lies and mis information will only lead to one thing.
Noone will ever have answers on the use of spies etc. Maybe Molle and Cryvok order ppl to infiltrate corps etc. Maybe ppl do it off thier own back, and offer the intel up. All i know, is i have never been asked to do anything like that. The point can be argued forever. You will not find the answers u seek.
As for fake mails etc. I know for a fact, that the ppl who run our borads, would not be amused. Unlike ASCN, our boards belong to us,run by us. So for us ot post fake mails is just abusing the resources so kindly provided by our friends. We dont do that. And a lot of us like the KB points system. So posting fake mails, would be cheating. And we dont cheat.
Our mentality will never be understood by ASCN etc. We dont need our leaders to circle jerk us. We play together,we play to win. I dont need memos from anyone to let me know if we done good or not. Its common sense. And if we dont do good, i dont get memos saying it was really a win,because we never wanted to do what we were actually trying to do anyway. It was just a ruse. Hence we are not misguided like the majority of ASCN are. We know how the war is going first hand.Were on the front lines, right next to our leaders. Not awaiting them to cobble some propagana from a far away system.
Oh, and nice post btw IntergralHellsing. Nice to see some ppl arent blinkered.
Current RKK Ranking: (AMM14) Fleet Admiral - 900 kills
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Posted - 2006.10.22 15:32:00 -
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As I`m not ASCN, never got the urge to join their forums, probably never will. Never tried to join BOB`s because there is no point. Plus, I`m no BoB.
Thats right your not qualified to be BoB. First you would have to learn the true meaning of teamwork. Then you would understand why BoB is so good at fleet battles. We are brothers so team wotk comes natural.
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Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.22 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hast He uses the word demonizing, and I prefer to just say namecalling.
Did you read my reply to Rebellion then? How can you be complaining people want to demonize or namecall you or whatever if you have done exactly the same in the near past? Even crossing the border on common decency on that one if I might add.
And you know what? Its boring that when you're faced with your own facts and proof that you start trying to BS your way out of it because you don't like to loose this argument. Pot, kettle. Double standards or whatever.
Quote: Frankly I dont see the point in this discussion with you, because in the end ASCN leadership IS calling us names, wether you dub it namecalling or demonizing is just two sides of the same coin really.
What would you do if your ennemy used TS to call people to warp to their doom? Thats nasty suff.
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P.S. due to a viral infection I cant drink alcohol till mid january so my rantings are non alcoholrelated
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