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Vetraband Amarr Gods Warriors	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Vetraband on 12/10/2006 19:36:51 i have seen that ascn has made a major inroad into bob space they even managed to capture one system (TACG-3) i have been following this combat (i really dont know if its a frendly tiff or is a major war ... but hey im out of it what do i care ) all i want to know is whats going on to help fill my boredom while skill training in station any info would be appreciated only reason im asking in chat forums is that i cant find any news on news sites etc ... and the killboards dont display how this whole thing started etc etc
Hakera Anari Higard	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:39:00 - [2] Edited by: Hakera on 12/10/2006 19:39:45 you havent been following very closely :p ASCN attempted an invasion but it was quickly beaten back, most of the action is still around tpar/tcag with other roaming gangs making kills, mostly in ascn space but even ascn are mustering little gangs to go kill Bob on occasion in their own space. Aside from ASCNs bold invasion attempt, BoB has settled for ship kills and 'air supperiority/interdiction' strategy so far (afaik anyway) The Ruskies are taking advantage of the hobbits current predicament, attempting to dominate and retake some of the 10/10's around ascn space, specifically D-F I can see from the kb. Alongside that the proverbial D2 hyenas are trying to muscle in on the lion aka BoB kills who are also roaming around. thats my summary from well reading threads so far :)
Xeliya NOPHEX PRISIM Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:41:00 - [3] POS spamming FTL ----------
Vetraband Amarr Gods Warriors	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:42:00 - [4] Edited by: Vetraband on 12/10/2006 19:45:20 cheers i dont get much free time to troll the threads so i only check skills for last couple of months ... still was having difficulty finding the right thread to read ... theres alot out there to choose from ... well thx for the info anyway its appreciated got to admit for my part though i am very suprised at ascn deciding to attack bob .... escpecially as i seem to remember bob promising never to attack ascn again ... seems like there waking up a sleeping dragon there .. but thats only my opinion what the hell do i know should be quite to watch this war play out though ... my guess is that bob is going to get themselves all geared up and ready to teach ascn a lesson
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Hakera Edited by: Hakera on 12/10/2006 19:39:45 you havent been following very closely :p ASCN attempted an invasion but it was quickly beaten back, most of the action is still around tpar/tcag with other roaming gangs making kills, mostly in ascn space but even ascn are mustering little gangs to go kill Bob on occasion in their own space. Aside from ASCNs bold invasion attempt, BoB has settled for ship kills and 'air supperiority/interdiction' strategy so far (afaik anyway) The Ruskies are taking advantage of the hobbits current predicament, attempting to dominate and retake some of the 10/10's around ascn space, specifically D-F I can see from the kb. Alongside that the proverbial D2 hyenas are trying to muscle in on the lion aka BoB kills who are also roaming around. thats my summary from well reading threads so far :) Fair enuff description, if you want the colourfull version go read the corps&alliances section. Old blog
BoinKlasik Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:58:00 - [6] Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Hakera Edited by: Hakera on 12/10/2006 19:39:45 you havent been following very closely :p ASCN attempted an invasion but it was quickly beaten back, most of the action is still around tpar/tcag with other roaming gangs making kills, mostly in ascn space but even ascn are mustering little gangs to go kill Bob on occasion in their own space. Aside from ASCNs bold invasion attempt, BoB has settled for ship kills and 'air supperiority/interdiction' strategy so far (afaik anyway) The Ruskies are taking advantage of the hobbits current predicament, attempting to dominate and retake some of the 10/10's around ascn space, specifically D-F I can see from the kb. Alongside that the proverbial D2 hyenas are trying to muscle in on the lion aka BoB kills who are also roaming around. thats my summary from well reading threads so far :) Fair enuff description, if you want the colourfull version go read the corps&alliances section. problem is the people with the paintbrushes area all crazy, and you end uplooking at something thats a lot like "modern" art doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Android Mindslave Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.10.12 20:04:00 - [7] Going on the offensive is not always an indication of who is winning. Word is that ASCN has lost 450 battleships. EVEmails are being posted where ASCN FCs are complaining that they are simply out of ships and T2 modules, and a lot of ASCN are just mining high end minerals instead of fighting or building. I'm not biased towards either side, as I think both have their merits. But TBH, right now it looks like BoB is inflicting wanton slaughter on the ASCN side and they are just waiting for the simple enormaity of the bloodbath to crush ASCN's moral before they start taking stations. IMO, unless ASCN stops making laughable accusations like GMs helping BoB cheat, and claims a moral victory like putting a doomsday blast right between the eyes of a BoB fleet, then people will eventually decide that ASCN is 'over', and then it will be.
Tonkin Singularity.	Posted - 2006.10.12 20:10:00 - [8] i can see myself getting involved in this one, really dont want to. been in every major war so far. bah its on my door step hmm see if i can get some pickings Sig removed, you sig was too ubber to display and ccp had no choice but to nerf it - CCP(NERFBAT)
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.12 20:18:00 - [9] In other news, Ernest Graefenberg has figured out why it's called "Impass". Doh.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.12 20:23:00 - [10] There is a lot of shooting going on and currently we are very happy. I think that about covers it
Hakera Anari Higard	Posted - 2006.10.12 20:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Android Mindslave Going on the offensive is not always an indication of who is winning. no, but neither is ship kills, as many have said before, its about objectives. If BoB's is to have a bit of fun and kill stuff, then they are achieving theres, if ASCNs is to prevent a territorial war, protect the shire and absorb their losses with their industrial might whilst as many said during my tenre in ASCN, its about experience for them (providing they learn from it) and not losing their fine crops they are eagre to harvest unlike BoB who are proverbially stealing the mushrooms from farmer maggots crop again :p cant help myself with LoTR analogies kekekekekeke filthy tricksey little hobbitttessssss
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.12 20:27:00 - [12] Why is this in General forum? Shouldn't it be in the forum that's called something like "Corporations and Alliances"? - Three years old
Azrael Bierce Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.10.12 20:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Ithildin Why is this in General forum? Shouldn't it be in the forum that's called something like "Corporations and Alliances"? Probably because people not in a corp/alliance have been declared second class citizens in that forum. If people not in corps want to talk about stuff this is about the only place to do it.
Xs 142	Posted - 2006.10.12 20:41:00 - [14] If you want something to do: Make a new alliance that is capable of "strategy" and has "Experience" Two words that are currently lacking in the case of the attacks on BoB Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
DukDodgerz Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Xs 142 If you want something to do: Make a new alliance that is capable of "strategy" and has "Experience" Two words that are currently lacking in the case of the attacks on BoB I've heard BoB has a habit of posting faked killmails, and trolling the forums with FUD on the war. ASCN hasn't said much on the war. ...based on observations, I keep getting a picture of some spin doctor propaganda general, wearing a BoB hat, waving their hands, swearing there are no invaders, the infidels are running in fear, and all is secure... I'll wait and see what happens, since ASCN doesn't talk, and BoB talks with faked killmails and FUD (faked Titan killmails...how childish).
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:06:00 - [16] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 12/10/2006 21:06:48 We don't fake killmails as a rule, It would get any bob member in definite trouble with his ceo. That titan killmail was most likely not faked by one of us. Also seeing how crappy it was done (people on that mail are in wholly different timezones for example, and the kill was placed in the future at that). WE may be abrasive in teh corps forum section, and we may choose our words so that they serve our goals, but the numbers and facts we use to support our posts are in fact neaarly always completely true. You know what I hear ? I heard that people that don't like us sometimes make up stories to explain why other people should dislike us too. Stories about dev favouritism, cheating and yes, faked killmails. Old blog
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:07:00 - [17] If you have proof of any fake bob killmails then mail the CEO's and people will be delt with. But I seriously doubt you will ever find a fake one since we have no need. Quite ironic really dont surpose you heard that from the ASCN propoganda vine. Hey atleast we dont have to feed propganda to our own members Your signature is inappropriate ( copyrighted material). Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Cammulos Gallente Magnetar Ltd	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:12:00 - [18] I hope BoB stomps one serious mudhole in ASCNs ass and then wears that ****zle out till there is no more Ascendant Frontier left(ASCN SUCKS!!!). I also hope they record the first ever titan being BLOWN THE F$&# UP!!
AvanCade Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:19:00 - [19] The next person to create another bob thread is a EMO...
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:21:00 - [20] Im SO tempted :)
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:26:00 - [21] can i be emo if i post?
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:27:00 - [22] In the end whoevers morale breaks first will be the looser, doesn't matter who is attacking and who is defending. In my opinion fleet performances would effect morale the most. ASCN's decision to attack instead of defend may well make or break the entire campaign, hope they thought it through carefully. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Romulus Maximus Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:27:00 - [23] Dont diss the EMO man !!!! I can feel its force in this thread. Current RKK Ranking: (AMM13) Admiral - 800 kills
AvanCade Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Romulus Maximus Dont diss the EMO man !!!! I can feel its force in this thread. Hobbits have reached ISENGARD, TBAG- has fallen NOOOO....
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:40:00 - [25] yes ASCN have "CAPTURED" one system in period basis ... lol thats so cute, they failed at capturing tpar so they setup camp in a non station system where we have one medium tower ... lol only reason why we arent clearing your POS's out in that system, like we did with your thirteen in tpar, is because we like how you always respawn close to home so we can keep chaining ASCN without having to actually travel to get kills :P
Jonathan Fisher Galactic Security	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:58:00 - [26] Edited by: Jonathan Fisher on 12/10/2006 22:01:20 Visit eve-tribune for unbiased news reports, stories, analyses, and occasional fiction. New issue each monday. - Jonathan Fisher Senior Analyst, Galactic Security - EVE Tribune -
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.12 21:59:00 - [27] Haha guys, our pretend war is working. Wonder when all the nubs in general discussion will realise we are just faking this war between each other to mass produce titans in TPAR....
RogueWing Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.12 22:04:00 - [28] Originally by: Vetraband got to admit for my part though i am very suprised at ascn deciding to attack bob .... escpecially as i seem to remember bob promising never to attack ascn again ... seems like there waking up a sleeping dragon there .. Just FYI, BoB attacked ASCN first. After the first week of warfare, most of the heavy duty fighting has moved into BoB space as ASCN responds. Only in ASCN would someone consider the solution to being short an office to be "Drop another Outpost"
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.12 22:05:00 - [29] How come the mods kept this thread open when there are dozens more answering the OP questions... To the OP; use ¿Search¿... or just check this forum`s last 2 weeks posts. Knowledge is just 1 or 2 clicks away.
AvanCade Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.12 22:17:00 - [30] Originally by: RogueWing Originally by: Vetraband got to admit for my part though i am very suprised at ascn deciding to attack bob .... escpecially as i seem to remember bob promising never to attack ascn again ... seems like there waking up a sleeping dragon there .. Just FYI, BoB attacked ASCN first. After the first week of warfare, most of the heavy duty fighting has moved into BoB space as ASCN responds. Yes yes they also have the system called TBAG- where they are staging their forces, from. The tune is getting old, move on.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.12 22:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Weebear Haha guys, our pretend war is working. Wonder when all the nubs in general discussion will realise we are just faking this war between each other to mass produce titans in TPAR.... sekrit !
Crohnx Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.12 22:31:00 - [32] Originally by: Cammulos I hope BoB stomps one serious mudhole in ASCNs ass and then wears that ***zle out till there is no more Ascendant Frontier left(ASCN SUCKS!!!). I also hope they record the first ever titan being BLOWN THE F$&# UP!! o/ tissue?
AvanCade Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.12 22:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Crohnx Originally by: Cammulos I hope BoB stomps one serious mudhole in ASCNs ass and then wears that ***zle out till there is no more Ascendant Frontier left(ASCN SUCKS!!!). I also hope they record the first ever titan being BLOWN THE F$&# UP!! o/ tissue? Lol just read this, guess you guys poped someone and he is holding the grudge, new ASCN Fanboi!!!
Ian Novarider Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.12 22:41:00 - [34] Hello Vetraband, Bob Declaration of War http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=401712 Summary of Week One http://www.eve-tribune.com/ Current frontline: TCAG/TPAR Local hotspots see: http://www.killboard.net/ Have fun ... we do Ian Quote: Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
WETRAIN Minmatar Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.10.13 00:47:00 - [35] Originally by: Blacklight There is a lot of shooting going on and currently we are very happy. I think that about covers it shooting somebody is always fun ----------------------------------------- When People are Ready the Master will come. - Original by Anihilus -
Jasmine Dupre Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.13 00:57:00 - [36] WTF I never post in these forms but why the hell do peeps find the need to post one after the other the same old ****!!! I think some people need to get a life judging by the amount of posts they make, as i know for sure between RL and actually playing eve (logining in and shooty shooty) i have very little time to post on the forums let alone read the 20 odd pages of goo. So to sum it up stop forum spamming and come and play EvE its a great game :)
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 01:09:00 - [37] The war would have been much more pleasant if we didn't find out what CYVOK and JohnMcCreedy were saying about us in secret :[
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.13 01:09:00 - [38] I'm interested in who the & Co are as in BoB & Co etc. in the subject of this thread. Although there's been lots of tittle-tattle about who brought who into what and is building forces on who's borders this or is siding with the other guys that and who flew within 10 systems of who with what.. Is there an official "we're in this with BoB/ASCN" stance from the alliances? Do BoB need an & Co? I think perhaps if there was one they'd get annoyed at them for pilfering the killmails? ASCN guys, I thought this was a mutually benificial war no? Big industry feeds big wars, targets for all? Who are your & Co's? Do you have them? Just interested y'understand. The Dark Lord ponders under his tinfoil helm..
ChaosOne Caldari DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.13 01:13:00 - [39] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 12/10/2006 21:06:48 We don't fake killmails as a rule, It would get any bob member in definite trouble with his ceo. That titan killmail was most likely not faked by one of us. Also seeing how crappy it was done (people on that mail are in wholly different timezones for example, and the kill was placed in the future at that). killmails. Perhaps you should compare these 2 killmails.... You were saying that the people on the kill mail are '"wholly different timezones" or is the other faked as well?? http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=215983 http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=215906 I's suggest looking at who got the kill mail for both mails to who done the fakin. Or i could be wrong. well never know...
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.13 01:23:00 - [40] Edited by: Rikeka on 13/10/2006 01:25:41 There goes the ¿different TZ players¿ magic bullet some BOB posters had... :S Obviously someone used this one to fake the Titan one. Doubt a BOB pilot did this, but why they keep saying an ASCN member did it, without proof (in fact, why would ASCN fake lossmails?)
ChaosOne Caldari DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.13 01:26:00 - [41] Edited by: ChaosOne on 13/10/2006 01:27:48 edited ill email a ceo right away
AvanCade Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 01:26:00 - [42] Originally by: ChaosOne Edited by: ChaosOne on 13/10/2006 01:23:44 Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 12/10/2006 21:06:48 We don't fake killmails as a rule, It would get any bob member in definite trouble with his ceo. That titan killmail was most likely not faked by one of us. Also seeing how crappy it was done (people on that mail are in wholly different timezones for example, and the kill was placed in the future at that). killmails. Perhaps you should compare these 2 killmails.... You were saying that the people on the kill mail are '"wholly different timezones" or is the other faked as well?? http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=215983 http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=215906 I'd suggest looking at who got the kill mail for both mails to who done the faking. do you not find it strange that the titan kill mail(215983) was posted before the mega kill mail (215906) edited for other evidence Like it has been explained 100s of times, if you feel its a bob member then evemail the ceo rather than post links to killmails on the forums, unless you can;t read?
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.13 01:26:00 - [43] Originally by: ChaosOne I's suggest looking at who got the kill mail for both mails to who done the fakin. Or i could be wrong. well never know... Honestly who cares, a fake titan killmail, I laughed when I saw it (almost as much as I laughed when I heard CYVOK DD'd a load of ASCN covops). I'm sure when the titan does get popped we wont need any killmails to prove it; the video will be available in the vid forum soon after As for the fighting... even if we haven't seen many BoB in impass, this whole war situation has deffo got everyone fired up and there's been lots more hostiles around (D2, RAZOR, AAA etc). Oh and now that IAC are under fire again, we have another excuse to take a trip up to F4 when Impass is boring Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
Ria Sotori Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 01:47:00 - [44] Originally by: Grimster I'm interested in who the & Co are as in BoB & Co etc. in the subject of this thread. Although there's been lots of tittle-tattle about who brought who into what and is building forces on who's borders this or is siding with the other guys that and who flew within 10 systems of who with what.. Is there an official "we're in this with BoB/ASCN" stance from the alliances? Do BoB need an & Co? I think perhaps if there was one they'd get annoyed at them for pilfering the killmails? ASCN guys, I thought this was a mutually benificial war no? Big industry feeds big wars, targets for all? Who are your & Co's? Do you have them? Just interested y'understand. Good question tbh A lot of hobbits and lurkers and fanbois assumed bob would do this or that or bring this group or that group into the frey. But lets look at the honest to gosh facts without ANY bias for just a minute :) Ill attempt to give you a front line pilots perspective. Keep in mind I dont sit in the councils of teh ubar sekrit but I can tell you what any bob pilot can tell you (or ASCN if they were honest) and whats even better none of it is secret :) - Bob Declares intent to pew pew ASCN - ASCN rabble rabbles - Bob reciprocates - Bob mobilize go terrorize ASCN Space for 3-4 days - ASCN Unleashes the titan and it sorta fizzles on the first attempt - ASCN pulls a "dunkirk" in TPAR, gets embarassed, tries to reinforce it several times, gets spanked. Tries more reinforcement, gets spanked red. hollers hax sploit! lag! yarr!!! headshot! - ASCN has a tower left in a indy they couldnt get into TPAR so they stick it in TCAG AKA TBAG :P - Bob likes that tower there.... makes it easier to shoot ASCN folks during the combat so leaves it alone. - Bob continues to spank ASCN all over the area and racks up arguably the most one sided kill ratio in eve history so far. - ASCN Gain soverignity of a nothing system and attempt to spin it as a normandy victory (lolerz) - Even demonstrated enemies of Bob get on the forums suggesting ASCN get there fleet command act together. MEANWHILE DURING FIRST WEEK The mighty ASCN who claim they will swamp Bob with there blobs call in reinforcements from: AXIOM LV POS 3 merc corps Cyvok talks to Mercenary Coalition (Per Seleene post in this forum)about entering the war as well but no deal so far.(note: this is the same MC that Cyvok originally sets to 0 standings at start of war claiming there gonna invade with Bob) lolerz I guess there 5000 members needed help ^_^ The mighty Bob call in..... no one Now at the end of the week it appears fix is trying to grab some complexes or something as stated. There not a Bob enemy. D2 decides to roadtrip it down for whatever. We shoot them ASCN shoot them so thats not a plus for either side except more targets :) Several internal ASCN memos / blogs / TS recordings have been leaked to the masses which added to some of the embarassment during this time as well. So basically thats the state of the state. You have ASCN on one side wanting to do a POS Spamming war because they dont know how to fight. You have Bob on the other side wanting to blow ppl up. Hope I didnt leave anyone out Your signature is inappropriate ( copyrighted material). Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.13 01:51:00 - [45] Originally by: Ria Sotori Lots of stuffs... pew pew for trufs! Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
SigmaPi Pandoras Mining Covanant	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:42:00 - [46] Originally by: Ria Sotori But lets look at the honest to gosh facts without ANY bias for just a minute :) Good job to... not ------------------ The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for a good man to do nothing. -Edmund Burke. I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -Doug
WETRAIN Minmatar Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:46:00 - [47] Originally by: Ria Sotori Originally by: Grimster AXIOM I guess there 5000 members needed help ^_^ Hope I didnt leave anyone out Well i do think that 5000 people would need MORE help to fight BoB ----------------------------------------- When People are Ready the Master will come. - Original by Anihilus -
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 02:50:00 - [48] Originally by: SigmaPi Originally by: Ria Sotori But lets look at the honest to gosh facts without ANY bias for just a minute :) Good job to... not says the guy in the mining corp that thinks 'Frontline' means the veldspar roids you have to push through before getting to the really good stuff. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.13 03:03:00 - [49] Since this is about territorial conquest, ASCN is winning atm. It would be a complete defeat for BoB if in the end they have no other choice left than pretending it was just a 'road trip' and get back home without having achieved nothing. But BoB will probably succeed; once they manage to take the fight out of their own space they have the power to take stations from ASCN. Or so they claim. ATM, kills/losses are still irrelevant, ASCN will get tons of ships re-imbursed because of the lag issues and can throw hundreds more in the battle, especially since many of them are not dedicated PvPers and fly inexpensive tech I ships. But, at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is to have fun and it's much better losing a ship fighting than getting home with it doing nothing. So, have fun! if the servers allow it ____________________ Darko1107 > does anything in ascn space have tech II fittings? Quillan Rage > Iron ships
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 03:32:00 - [50] Originally by: Sorja Since this is about territorial conquest, ASCN is winning atm. Uhhhh sez who? Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 04:37:00 - [51] If this is losing, I wonder what winning will be like. *ponders
Ferocious FeAr Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.13 07:23:00 - [52] We were given 1 week to surrender, I guess it got extended? ________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.13 07:27:00 - [53] Originally by: Weebear Haha guys, our pretend war is working. Wonder when all the nubs in general discussion will realise we are just faking this war between each other to mass produce titans in TPAR.... Problem is, I suppose noone would stop you anyway, even if you announced that officially. Having a break from EVE until my broadband connection is working again.
WiZZyWiGG Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 08:20:00 - [54] Originally by: SigmaPi Originally by: Ria Sotori But lets look at the honest to gosh facts without ANY bias for just a minute :) Good job to... not Oh Siggy trust me everything written there is true ____________ BNC makes me feel Naughty
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 08:47:00 - [55] Originally by: Sorja ATM, kills/losses are still irrelevant, ASCN will get tons of ships re-imbursed because of the lag issues and can throw hundreds more in the battle, And how on earth would u know that ? Your Gm sources told u that or u just making wild assumptions? Tons of ASCN losses were done in lag free fights with our gangs roaming in their space , so GL trying to get a reimbursment for that. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Joe Bloggers Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:38:00 - [56] Originally by: Ria Sotori The mighty Bob call in..... no one Actually - I was speaking a BoB Pilot earlier today. He told me that you guys had around 20 Digital fury guys join your gatecamp back in tpar when ascn has something like 13 stations inside, and that he reckons that all ascn are doing is pettioning due to server crashes to get they ships back and charging again, resulting in no real loss of ships. He also mentioned a galnet or galcorp also helping? Anyhow I guess that means bob did call people in :) Just an Average Joe!
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:46:00 - [57] Originally by: Crohnx Originally by: Cammulos I hope BoB stomps one serious mudhole in ASCNs ass and then wears that ***zle out till there is no more Ascendant Frontier left(ASCN SUCKS!!!). I also hope they record the first ever titan being BLOWN THE F$&# UP!! o/ tissue? dude seriously, you should be ashamed of your self after that TS recordin i heard of you. quit eve or soemthing, dont call your self an FC. Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.13 10:18:00 - [58] Who you talking about there Roxy? Chronx? Linky? The Dark Lord consults the Force under his tinfoil helm..
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 10:30:00 - [59] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr We were given 1 week to surrender, I guess it got extended? We have been clearing out tpar in case you haven't noticed , read a book, save a school Iron and G eat babie's, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 10:32:00 - [60] Originally by: Grimster Who you talking about there Roxy? Chronx? Linky? I'd like link as well... I want some proper commie accented *****1ng :) Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
Ascend Alt	Posted - 2006.10.13 10:51:00 - [61] Edited by: Ascend Alt on 13/10/2006 10:51:31 nvm i must resist the smacking potential of these threads.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 10:52:00 - [62] Originally by: Joe Bloggers Originally by: Ria Sotori The mighty Bob call in..... no one Actually - I was speaking a BoB Pilot earlier today. He told me that you guys had around 20 Digital fury guys join your gatecamp back in tpar when ascn has something like 13 stations inside, and that he reckons that all ascn are doing is pettioning due to server crashes to get they ships back and charging again, resulting in no real loss of ships. He also mentioned a galnet or galcorp also helping? Anyhow I guess that means bob did call people in :) Nope. The evil BoB empire who just blow things up and never build anything or help anyone else or do anything constructive from the basement of our mother's houses (only going outside of course to collect our unemployment benefit cheques and call in on our parole officers)...... actually ..... SHOCK HORROR..... have a lot of resident corps within our space who we've helped get access to 0.0 and they defend themselves. So no, we haven't 'called people in', we just happen to have other corps living in our regions who ASCN/AXE/Mercs are also shooting and that therefore shoot back.
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 10:57:00 - [63] Originally by: Blacklight Nope. The evil BoB empire who just blow things up and never build anything or help anyone else or do anything constructive from the basement of our mother's houses (only going outside of course to collect our unemployment benefit cheques and call in on our parole officers)...... actually ..... SHOCK HORROR..... have a lot of resident corps within our space who we've helped get access to 0.0 and they defend themselves. So no, we haven't 'called people in', we just happen to have other corps living in our regions who ASCN/AXE/Mercs are also shooting and that therefore shoot back. Speak for yourself alt-boy. I live in the attic of my mums house, and she pays my allowance, not the dole. .... Real men use blasters
Ascend Alt	Posted - 2006.10.13 11:08:00 - [64] Edited by: Ascend Alt on 13/10/2006 11:09:03 meh on reading my post back even though it is as polite as I can make it, it will just spin this thread out so please nvm.
Cammulos Gallente Magnetar Ltd	Posted - 2006.10.13 11:19:00 - [65] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Crohnx Originally by: Cammulos I hope BoB stomps one serious mudhole in ASCNs ass and then wears that ***zle out till there is no more Ascendant Frontier left(ASCN SUCKS!!!). I also hope they record the first ever titan being BLOWN THE F$&# UP!! o/ tissue? dude seriously, you should be ashamed of your self after that TS recordin i heard of you. quit eve or soemthing, dont call your self an FC. Um huh? That pointed at me, or the other guy? Btw, from a previous post. I have never actually been popped by ASCN, but have roamed around Stain a good bit and bumped into them many times, every one a jerk in local. At least if you bump into BoB they tend to make ya laugh whilst chasing ya through 5 or 6 systems Hopefully the loss on their empire will lighten them up a tad... jes' a lil.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.13 14:02:00 - [66] Originally by: Cammulos Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Crohnx Originally by: Cammulos I hope BoB stomps one serious mudhole in ASCNs ass and then wears that ***zle out till there is no more Ascendant Frontier left(ASCN SUCKS!!!). I also hope they record the first ever titan being BLOWN THE F$&# UP!! o/ tissue? dude seriously, you should be ashamed of your self after that TS recordin i heard of you. quit eve or soemthing, dont call your self an FC. Um huh? That pointed at me, or the other guy? Btw, from a previous post. I have never actually been popped by ASCN, but have roamed around Stain a good bit and bumped into them many times, every one a jerk in local. At least if you bump into BoB they tend to make ya laugh whilst chasing ya through 5 or 6 systems Hopefully the loss on their empire will lighten them up a tad... jes' a lil. Yes mate, sory i mean Crohnx, some BOB guy gave me the link, jsut browse bob forum, if you can find it let me know. Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
theforce Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.10.13 14:50:00 - [67] Originally by: Ria Sotori - Bob continues to spank ASCN all over the area and racks up arguably the most one sided kill ratio in eve history so far. looking at your own kb thats not really true now is it.
GO MaZ No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.13 14:55:00 - [68] Originally by: theforce looking at your own kb thats not really true now is it. post with your balls, alty mc main Member of the Ex-KSC retard-spellers club.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 14:56:00 - [69] Edited by: LUKEC on 13/10/2006 14:56:26 Originally by: theforce Originally by: Ria Sotori - Bob continues to spank ASCN all over the area and racks up arguably the most one sided kill ratio in eve history so far. looking at your own kb thats not really true now is it. I hope you don't belive propaganda on sha karn forum, do you? It's quite funny... we killed zealot but evil bob didn't post it on killboard. So what do you call ascn guy for not posting it on your kb? Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
theforce Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:20:00 - [70] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 13/10/2006 14:56:26 Originally by: theforce Originally by: Ria Sotori - Bob continues to spank ASCN all over the area and racks up arguably the most one sided kill ratio in eve history so far. looking at your own kb thats not really true now is it. I hope you don't belive propaganda on sha karn forum, do you? huh? did i mention anything like that? no thought so! Too make it clear for you, you don't have that one sidded kill ratio as you claim too have.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:21:00 - [71] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Cammulos Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Crohnx Originally by: Cammulos I hope BoB stomps one serious mudhole in ASCNs ass and then wears that ***zle out till there is no more Ascendant Frontier left(ASCN SUCKS!!!). I also hope they record the first ever titan being BLOWN THE F$&# UP!! o/ tissue? dude seriously, you should be ashamed of your self after that TS recordin i heard of you. quit eve or soemthing, dont call your self an FC. Um huh? That pointed at me, or the other guy? Btw, from a previous post. I have never actually been popped by ASCN, but have roamed around Stain a good bit and bumped into them many times, every one a jerk in local. At least if you bump into BoB they tend to make ya laugh whilst chasing ya through 5 or 6 systems Hopefully the loss on their empire will lighten them up a tad... jes' a lil. Yes mate, sory i mean Crohnx, some BOB guy gave me the link, jsut browse bob forum, if you can find it let me know. I FOUND THE LINK Linkage Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
theforce Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:27:00 - [72] that link has been removed several times from this forum roxanna
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:31:00 - [73] Originally by: theforce that link has been removed several times from this forum roxanna In fact it's been removed almost as many times as your posts will be captain NPC corp.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:37:00 - [74] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: theforce that link has been removed several times from this forum roxanna In fact it's been removed almost as many times as your posts will be captain NPC corp. that why i didnt wanna post it at startt, besides why the forums are being so regulated, that just lame from CCP, treating every one like childrens. you cant do this you cant post that. Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:41:00 - [75] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: theforce that link has been removed several times from this forum roxanna In fact it's been removed almost as many times as your posts will be captain NPC corp. that why i didnt wanna post it at startt, besides why the forums are being so regulated, that just lame from CCP, treating every one like childrens. you cant do this you cant post that. Yeah, really lame that you can't post someone's recorded voice without their permission. Oh, no, wait... in the EU, thats the LAW. Tards.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:43:00 - [76] Originally by: Butter Dog Oh, no, wait... in the EU, thats the LAW. Just for ****s and giggles: NO IT IS NOT. kthx.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:45:00 - [77] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog Oh, no, wait... in the EU, thats the LAW. Just for ****s and giggles: NO IT IS NOT. kthx. Yes, it is.
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:47:00 - [78] Edited by: VonKaplanek III on 13/10/2006 15:56:27
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:48:00 - [79] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog Oh, no, wait... in the EU, thats the LAW. Just for ****s and giggles: NO IT IS NOT. kthx. Yes, it is. Funny that our solicitors say it isn't and every single person that has threatened us with legal action has pussied out then, hey?
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:55:00 - [80] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog Oh, no, wait... in the EU, thats the LAW. Just for ****s and giggles: NO IT IS NOT. kthx. Yes, it is. Funny that our solicitors say it isn't and every single person that has threatened us with legal action has pussied out then, hey? Its not funny, its just that most people havent got the time or energy to persue legal proceedings, and you know it. Its also not funny that you do such things in the first place. You are morally corrupt and have no respect for other people who play this game. Grow up.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:56:00 - [81] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: theforce that link has been removed several times from this forum roxanna In fact it's been removed almost as many times as your posts will be captain NPC corp. that why i didnt wanna post it at startt, besides why the forums are being so regulated, that just lame from CCP, treating every one like childrens. you cant do this you cant post that. Yeah, really lame that you can't post someone's recorded voice without their permission. Oh, no, wait... in the EU, thats the LAW. Tards. Sue me. you donkeyRapg steater. Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 15:58:00 - [82] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog Oh, no, wait... in the EU, thats the LAW. Just for ****s and giggles: NO IT IS NOT. kthx. Yes, it is. Funny that our solicitors say it isn't and every single person that has threatened us with legal action has pussied out then, hey? Its not funny, its just that most people havent got the time or energy to persue legal proceedings, and you know it. Its also not funny that you do such things in the first place. You are morally corrupt and have no respect for other people who play this game. Grow up. We love you too. Really we do.
RogerWilco Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 16:06:00 - [83] ASCN are deads
Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 16:06:00 - [84] Originally by: Butter Dog Tards. ... Originally by: Butter Dog Grow up. Yes, speak to yourself more. -- Nobody stays behind
Romulus Maximus Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 16:11:00 - [85] Originally by: Butter Dog You are morally corrupt and have no respect for other people who play this game. Grow up. hahaha,if only u knew how little morals he had. They have effected my life in a very negative and damaging way. Blackpool anyone ? Current RKK Ranking: (AMM13) Admiral - 800 kills
Dell Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 16:16:00 - [86] Dear bitter dog, Please reframe from flaming every bob thread you can find. At the time of your application i told you we do not accept players who have less then 10million skillpoints, flaming us on eve-o will not change the above. Kind regards, Dell BoB Killboard
Regma Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 16:17:00 - [87] Originally by: Romulus Maximus Originally by: Butter Dog You are morally corrupt and have no respect for other people who play this game. Grow up. hahaha,if only u knew how little morals he had. They have effected my life in a very negative and damaging way. Blackpool anyone ? Passed out ISS members getting teabagged is up there --
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 16:18:00 - [88] Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/10/2006 16:20:20 Originally by: Romulus Maximus Originally by: Butter Dog You are morally corrupt and have no respect for other people who play this game. Grow up. hahaha,if only u knew how little morals he had. They have effected my life in a very negative and damaging way. Blackpool anyone ? And copenhagen :< Although Siddy was up there for disturbing images and being morally corrupt during that week too. I guess we just draw different lines as to what defines morally corrupt but then according to some quarters my real life job is morally corrupt so who cares. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Romulus Maximus Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 16:23:00 - [89] I guess Copenhagen had its moments...Siddy nekkid Dunno who was worse tbh. Current RKK Ranking: (AMM13) Admiral - 800 kills
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 16:48:00 - [90] Originally by: Romulus Maximus Originally by: Butter Dog You are morally corrupt and have no respect for other people who play this game. Grow up. hahaha,if only u knew how little morals he had. They have effected my life in a very negative and damaging way. Blackpool anyone ? I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK!
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.13 17:19:00 - [91] Only 9 straight BoB replies in a row to my little 'spat'... you're slacking
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2006.10.13 17:26:00 - [92] well they got epeen and are not afraid to stroke it dude. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Minmatar Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.10.13 17:50:00 - [93] Originally by: Kryztal lol only reason why we arent clearing your POS's out in that system, like we did with your thirteen in tpar, is because we like how you always respawn close to home so we can keep chaining ASCN without having to actually travel to get kills :P Beautiful. You make my heart sing.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:07:00 - [94] Originally by: Butter Dog Its not funny, its just that most people havent got the time or energy to persue legal proceedings, and you know it. Its also not funny that you do such things in the first place. You are morally corrupt and have no respect for other people who play this game. Grow up. * cough * Originally by: UK Copyright Act Criticism, review and news reporting. 30.ù(1) Fair dealing with a work for the purpose of criticism or review, of that or another work or of a performance of a work, does not infringe any copyright in the work provided that it is accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement. (2) Fair dealing with a work (other than a photograph) for the purpose of reporting current events does not infringe any copyright in the work provided that (subject to subsection (3)) it is accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement. (3) No acknowledgement is required in connection with the reporting of current events by means of a sound recording, film, broadcast or cable programme. Under section 9 of the same act, unknown authors are those who can not be easily identified (in real life), and do not need to be credited (because you can't credit work if you don't know who made it). No matter how much you want this to be illegal, it isn't. Sorry. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:18:00 - [95] Avon obviously thought the hole BD had dug for himself was big enough, I was gonna wait until he hit China
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:40:00 - [96] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Butter Dog Its not funny, its just that most people havent got the time or energy to persue legal proceedings, and you know it. Its also not funny that you do such things in the first place. You are morally corrupt and have no respect for other people who play this game. Grow up. * cough * Originally by: UK Copyright Act Criticism, review and news reporting. 30.ù(1) Fair dealing with a work for the purpose of criticism or review, of that or another work or of a performance of a work, does not infringe any copyright in the work provided that it is accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement. (2) Fair dealing with a work (other than a photograph) for the purpose of reporting current events does not infringe any copyright in the work provided that (subject to subsection (3)) it is accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement. (3) No acknowledgement is required in connection with the reporting of current events by means of a sound recording, film, broadcast or cable programme. Under section 9 of the same act, unknown authors are those who can not be easily identified (in real life), and do not need to be credited (because you can't credit work if you don't know who made it). No matter how much you want this to be illegal, it isn't. Sorry. Just...lol... you are quoting the UK Copyright Act. This has nothing to do with copyright. The Copyright Act you are referring to, and specifically the section you have quoted, deals with the review or criticism of copyrighted work, which is INTENTIONALLY in the public domain. What you have done, it accessed a private voice server, neither copyright protected NOR intended to be in the public domian, and recorded it without permission to do so. Not only this, but you then made it publically available by hosting it on your site. If you're going to try and quote the law, please... have the FIRST CLUE about what you are quoting, because frankly you have just embarassed yourself and your alliance.
Ellohem Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:44:00 - [97] Perhaps locking the thread might be in order... no real need for this to go on and on and on and on and on...ect Sometime i really do feel imbaressed to be part of the eve community, its a game, lets just get on with it.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:45:00 - [98] Sorry, but if you think TS is covered by the Telecommunications Act, you are sorely mistakened. Teamspeak is covered under legislation as a cable broadcast service, and thus covered only by copyright law. Only secure point to point VoIP communication is covered under the Telecommunications Act, and covered by the privacy provisions of that Act. Sorry if you find that inconvenient to your case. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:52:00 - [99] Secure voice servers are not classed as cable broadcast services. Sorry if that inconveniences your case. And none of this psuedo-legal talk hides the fact your out-of-game actions are morally reprehensible. Still, if you must sc*****the barrel, go right ahead... does wonders for your PR.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 18:58:00 - [100] Originally by: Butter Dog Secure voice servers are not classed as cable broadcast services. Sorry if that inconveniences your case. And none of this psuedo-legal talk hides the fact your out-of-game actions are morally reprehensible. Still, if you must sc*****the barrel, go right ahead... does wonders for your PR. Yawn. You are incorrect. Anyone has legitimate access to the TS server can consider it a public broadcast system, in fact, the law REQUIRES it is treated as such. Seriously BD, you are arguing with the wrong person over the legal aspects of this. As to the morality question, I disagree again. Let us look at the Human Rights which are recognised under UK law: 16 basic human rights have been incorporated into UK law. (Summary of The Human Rights Act 1998) right to life prohibition of torture prohibition of slavery and forced labour right to liberty and security right to a fair trial no punishment without law right to respect for private and family life freedom of thought, conscience and religion freedom of expression freedom of assembly and association right to marry prohibition of discrimination protection of property right to education right to free elections abolition of the death penalty Before you try to argue the "right to respect for private life" card, it doesn't apply to public broadcasts. Sorry. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:01:00 - [101] You talk about morality then quote a law? Laughable.
Altheon Caldari Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:02:00 - [102] Edited by: Altheon on 13/10/2006 19:02:22
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:03:00 - [103] Originally by: Butter Dog You talk about morality then quote a law? Laughable. Really? What do you think the law is based on, imorality? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:04:00 - [104] I don't think I've ever seen anyone get owned so hard on the forums since that ER dude flamed us then posted with his main. Sheer poetry in work here chaps. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:06:00 - [105] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Butter Dog You talk about morality then quote a law? Laughable. Really? What do you think the law is based on, imorality? Morality is driven by consience, not legal statutes. The fact you can get away with something because of a (highly debatable) legal loophole regarding secure voice servers, does not make your actions right or justifiable. Any grown adult can see this. So carry on, dredge the bottom of the barrel, make excuses... the rest of the EVE community look on, and thank our lucky stars we are not part of a group of people who blur the boundaries between gaming and reality to such an unhealthy degree.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:07:00 - [106] Originally by: DB Preacher I don't think I've ever seen anyone get owned so hard on the forums since that ER dude flamed us then posted with his main. Sheer poetry in work here chaps. dbp That post contributed presicely nothing to the debate. Do you actually have anything to add, or are low level flames the purpose of your contribution here?
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:09:00 - [107] Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/10/2006 19:10:36 awwww, did poor avon own you and you are now turning on me with some lame attempt to derail your owning? Please by all means continue, it's hilarious. p.s. We don't need you to judge our morality nor care whether you do but it's still hilarious owning your poor legal arguments. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:10:00 - [108] Originally by: DB Preacher awwww, did poor avon own you and you are now turning on me with some lame attempt to derail your owning? Please by all means continue, it's hilarious. dbp Actually, you are the one who waded into our perfectly reasoned debate with some low level flaming. Pot.. kettle..
Zagum Darkfin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:12:00 - [109] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: DB Preacher awwww, did poor avon own you and you are now turning on me with some lame attempt to derail your owning? Please by all means continue, it's hilarious. dbp Actually, you are the one who waded into our perfectly reasoned debate with some low level flaming. Pot.. kettle.. YAp, Avon pwned him.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:12:00 - [110] Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/10/2006 19:12:16 Reasonable? Nah, on one side you have made up stuff in a poor attempt to flame BoB against someone who knows what he is talking about legally and morally. Keep going though, please, it really has alot to do with the OP. oh no wait, it's just another BoB thread derailment from you. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:13:00 - [111] Originally by: DB Preacher p.s. We don't need you to judge our morality nor care whether you do but it's still hilarious owning your poor legal arguments. dbp Actually you have not, in the slightest. Its pure debate, no facts have been established. Secure voice servers may or may not be classifed under various statutes... however as this is pretty much untested in court, its just my point of view against his. One could argue with equal force that secure voice servers are NOT covered by Copyright laws. Indeed from the legal perspective this would make more sense.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:13:00 - [112] Originally by: Butter Dog The fact you can get away with something because of a (highly debatable) legal loophole regarding secure voice servers, does not make your actions right or justifiable. It isn't a loophole, and it isn't "highly debatable". What you are asking for is censorship. You are saying it is unfair to show someone in a bad light by simply making their public broadcast more public. Censorship is lying by ommission, and lying is immoral, non? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:14:00 - [113] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Butter Dog The fact you can get away with something because of a (highly debatable) legal loophole regarding secure voice servers, does not make your actions right or justifiable. It isn't a loophole, and it isn't "highly debatable". What you are asking for is censorship. You are saying it is unfair to show someone in a bad light by simply making their public broadcast more public. Censorship is lying by ommission, and lying is immoral, non? Only you CANNOT class it as a public broadcast. Your interpretation of the law is pure comedy.
jellybird Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:17:00 - [114] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Avon Originally by: Butter Dog The fact you can get away with something because of a (highly debatable) legal loophole regarding secure voice servers, does not make your actions right or justifiable. It isn't a loophole, and it isn't "highly debatable". What you are asking for is censorship. You are saying it is unfair to show someone in a bad light by simply making their public broadcast more public. Censorship is lying by ommission, and lying is immoral, non? Only you CANNOT class it as a public broadcast. Your interpretation of the law is pure comedy. OMG Are u still talking, there is something called "Real Life" just a few steps away, get a grip pal.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:18:00 - [115] Originally by: jellybird OMG Are u still talking, there is something called "Real Life" just a few steps away, get a grip pal. Thanks for this valuable contribution. PS - I play eve for less than a few hours a week atm... if anyone needs to get a life around here, its not me
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:19:00 - [116] Edited by: Avon on 13/10/2006 19:20:28 Originally by: Butter Dog One could argue with equal force that secure voice servers are NOT covered by Copyright laws. Indeed from the legal perspective this would make more sense. You could argue it, but you'd be wrong. Originally by: Copyright Act 6 (2) An encrypted transmission shall be regarded as capable of being lawfully received by members of the public only if decoding equipment has been made available to members of the public by or with the authority of the person making the transmission or the person providing the contents of the transmission. ie. give them the password and it is a public broadcast. I could do this all night, but I'd rather not as I have to do it all day. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:19:00 - [117] I believe the morality question was already handled adequately about three threads ago. Cba looking it up, but it's there. Old blog
jellybird Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:20:00 - [118] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: jellybird OMG Are u still talking, there is something called "Real Life" just a few steps away, get a grip pal. Thanks for this valuable contribution. PS - I play eve for less than a few hours a week atm... if anyone needs to get a life around here, its not me NP, only having time to play eve after school must suck
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:22:00 - [119] lol, is that the forum for role playing lawyers? ------------------ yay, the Deimos has been saved!
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:24:00 - [120] Originally by: Audrea lol, is that the forum for role playing lawyers? I wish I was a lawyer, I'd probably have to spend less time talking to them over compliance issues. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:26:00 - [121] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: jellybird OMG Are u still talking, there is something called "Real Life" just a few steps away, get a grip pal. Thanks for this valuable contribution. PS - I play eve for less than a few hours a week atm... if anyone needs to get a life around here, its not me You dont fool anyone here, I read the forums a lot, and it takes hours. and you are replying to every damned post lol. If you only play few hours a week, when was the last time you played the part of eve which goes inside the GAME? ------------------ yay, the Deimos has been saved!
Trina Tron Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:37:00 - [122] OMG U POD ME! U GOING TO DA PEN! CUZ WE GOT LAWS IN AMERICA SAY MURDER = PRISON TIME BOI! ----------------------------------- Originally by: Santiago Cortes Locked Begging is not allowed or appreciated on the forums. Whining remains perfectly acceptable.
Resipsa Loquitor Aliastra	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:52:00 - [123] Edited by: Resipsa Loquitor on 13/10/2006 19:56:35 Edited by: Resipsa Loquitor on 13/10/2006 19:55:30 BTW, props to Avon for his argument - solid, even if not a trained attorney/solicitor. Oh, and, moderators, this is my main. http://www.rcfp.org/handbook/c03p01.html "You may record, film, broadcast or amplify any conversation if all parties to the conversation consent. It is always legal to tape or film a face-to-face interview when your recorder or camera is in plain view. In these instances, the consent of all parties is presumed. Of the 50 states, 38, as well as the District of Columbia, allow you to record a conversation to which you are a party without informing the other parties you are doing so. Federal wiretap statutes also permit one-party-consent recording of telephone conversations in most circumstances.1 Twelve states forbid the recording of private conversations without the consent of all parties. Those states are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.2 The federal wiretap law, passed in 1968, permits surreptitious recording of conversations when one party consents, "unless such communication is intercepted for the purpose of committing any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State." Amendments signed into law in 1986 and 1994 expand the prohibitions to unauthorized interception of most forms of electronic communications, including satellite transmissions, cellular phone conversations, computer data transmissions and cordless phone conversations." I'd argue that using a product like Teamspeak, with a known recording function, is presumed consent to the possibility that the conversation will be recorded, even without notice. I'd also argue that just because someone didn't know that TS could record conversations, that the average user of TS - a user of EVE that likely has seen video and audio recordings of gameplay before - should have been aware, and that implicit permission was given by using the product. But, this is a hypothetical argument since this will never see the light of day in any court anywhere. Whether you believe the act was immoral or not, the law is the law. No serious attorney will tell you that the law enforces morality - it might have its basis in morality (e.g., generally not supporting murder and stealing), but the law in and of itself is not a tool to enforce a code of morality. It only does that if the law is tied to religion, and I don't think we want to go down that road today. Equity, however, does exist, but those are different arguments than the ones being made here. Res - It speaks for itself
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 19:55:00 - [124] i really like reading this forums, i like bob and other threads, with flaming and good talkings - but this law debates, what is legal and whatnot from butterdog, whos only discussing to discuss, are just boring. wish there would b some block function to get rid of him. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Pr1at Bunny Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:03:00 - [125] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/10/2006 19:48:02 We don't need you to judge our morality nor care whether you do but it's still hilarious watching your poor legal arguments. dbp Shame you guys didnt learn anythin from my post on what it can do . this wasnt nearly as bad as then with teh recorded TS convo but the person(s) behind the avatar are getting dragged thru a *load of ** here and .... nm it seems to be useless . Shame really . ____________________ The Clash
Karnov Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:05:00 - [126] Edited by: Karnov on 13/10/2006 20:06:02 Originally by: Resipsa Loquitor "You may record, film, broadcast or amplify any conversation if all parties to the conversation consent. It is always legal to tape or film a face-to-face interview when your recorder or camera is in plain view. In these instances, the consent of all parties is presumed. The federal wiretap law, passed in 1968, permits surreptitious recording of conversations when one party consents, "unless such communication is intercepted for the purpose of committing any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State." Amendments signed into law in 1986 and 1994 expand the prohibitions to unauthorized interception of most forms of electronic communications, including satellite transmissions, cellular phone conversations, computer data transmissions and cordless phone conversations." I'd argue that using a product like Teamspeak, with a known recording function, is presumed consent to the possibility that the conversation will be recorded, even without notice. I'd also argue that just because someone didn't know that TS could record conversations, that the average user of TS - a user of EVE that likely has seen video and audio recordings of gameplay before - should have been aware, and that implicit permission was given by using the product. But, this is a hypothetical argument since this will never see the light of day in any court anywhere. Whether you believe the act was immoral or not, the law is the law. No serious attorney will tell you that the law enforces morality - it might have its basis in morality (e.g., generally not supporting murder and stealing), but the law in and of itself is not a tool to enforce a code of morality. It only does that if the law is tied to religion, and I don't think we want to go down that road today. Equity, however, does exist, but those are different arguments than the ones being made here. Interesting, as Teamspeak clearly tags for all to see that someone is recording voice then I presume that constitutes plain view and consent. And that is even if it wasn't allowed on the second paragraph to. For USA anyway.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:11:00 - [127] Holy thread derailment batman! In rust we trust!!!
Resipsa Loquitor Aliastra	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:16:00 - [128] Originally by: Murukan Holy thread derailment batman! Totally. I just hate having legal and moral arguments intermingled. Hardest part as an attorney with an angry client is to deal with one that insists that the other party is just "wrong" or they did something "wrong". Just because you believe it is not "right" doesn't mean it isn't legal. That was the only reason for my intervention - to support what I was seeing as a correct legal argument against an emotional argument. <cloak> Res - It speaks for itself
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:39:00 - [129] I give this thread the HecticÖ stamp of approval. Better now Mr. Mod? WELCOME BACK MGRL!
karrak Ruffians	Posted - 2006.10.13 21:26:00 - [130] Since im so good at conspiracy theories il give you ladies a hint. Cyvok made his alliance to pay for his Titan and now he has hired bob to put an end to the entity that made it happen, running of with an undisputed titan. he will later on join bob. Donations for solving the big pussle can bee sent directly to mee.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.13 21:32:00 - [131] Edited by: Rikeka on 13/10/2006 21:33:49 (CONT) 3 steps: 1)Ask nice. 2)Notify. 3)And THEN you rumble. BTW, Reikoku.net HAS: if wants to host the .wav file, has to give the interested people access to where it is posted. Also, if they want (of course, this would mean that they have reached an agreeement before), the interested can ask anytime for as much copies of the record, or extracts of it, as he/she/they pleases (Reikoku.net would have to ask for a written request, ofc) Reikoku.net would then have 10 days to comply (of 10 days to refute, stating that the request is not valid, 30 days later would have to comply anyway though) What else... Ah. As Reikoku.net only posted an extract of the recording (well done, because posting more would have ment problems) they only posted and made public that what involves the matter at hand. Was done without concent, nor was requested later to publicize it. Checking the Reikoku site is not accesible, yet the file is there, means they are not within the Conditions of Disclosure, Privacy Act, 1974 5 U.S.C 552a. They would have to to make it public, but first needs the involved parties agreement for that. Mind you, as said before, we had a heated debate, but most here agree that if they were Reikoku.net they would take the record away, and/or give access to where the file is located... 7 of 9 here people say they would take such case (which means they think is not a waste of time, as I do)
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.13 21:32:00 - [132] Edited by: Rikeka on 13/10/2006 21:32:05 Thanks to Reikoku.net, we had a great debate here in the office. What BoB did was not illegal, as TS has a recording option in it`s program (it has?), the TS spy was given the password by a member who had gotten the password on a legit fashion, thus also makes it ok. Again, you cannot criminally charge anyone here. NOW, you can ASK Reikoku.net (where the .wav file was posted)to take it out (fools, they should have posted it on a public site). Will say it again: It has nothing to do with TS ¿laws¿. As you never renounce to your rights when you sign for TS. NO ONE CAN EVER RECORD YOU WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE (not without a court order, at least). Problem is: Quote: P3P essentially forces a user to accept privacy levels below that of the U.S. Code of Fair Information Practices to gain access to a Web site. P3P requires pop-up notification warnings, similar to cookies, that overwhelm the user. This often leads to the user setting privacy levels lower than necessary. Quote: Information privacy laws cover the protection of information on private individuals from intentional or unintentional disclosure of misuse. The European Union, (EU), has defined privacy principles which are generally more protective of individual privacy than those in the United States. Because of this, the transfer of personal information from the EU to the US is prohibited when equivalent privacy protection is not in place in the US. The basic principles of personal information privacy in the EU are: Data should be collected in accordance with the law. Information collected by an individual cannot be disclosed to other organizations of individuals unless authorized by law or by consent of the individual. Records kept on an individual should be accurate and up to date. Data should be used only for the purposes for which it was collected, and it should be used only for a reasonable time period. Individuals are entitled to receive a report on the information that is held about them. Transmission of personal information to locations where "equivalent" personal data protection cannot be assured is prohibited. HIPAA The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) was enacted by the U.S. Congress in 1996. HIPAA is also knows as the Kennedy-Kassebaum Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA-Public Law 104-191), effective August 21, 1996. The basic idea of HIPAA is that an individual who is a subject of individually identifiable health information should have: -(c)Torpedo (CONT)
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.13 21:41:00 - [133] Now the main problem, for the interested, is to show proof Reikoku.net would be considered as an ¿agency¿ as stated... checks papers... somewhere on this mess. Side Note: All this is quite stupid anyway, as login traps, WCS and the rest of the cap is EULA. So people can post whatever they want if you do any of that stuff. Just a game and all includes in-game rant Bleh, let it die. Took me more to think about this post, than to think about all this issue. An expert lawyer on the subject (an expert, not the fool that said something of ¿Virtual Assets¿ don`t exist or something like that) can fill you in much better that I do.
Resipsa Loquitor Aliastra	Posted - 2006.10.13 21:49:00 - [134] Edited by: Resipsa Loquitor on 13/10/2006 21:56:23 Edited by: Resipsa Loquitor on 13/10/2006 21:53:31 Originally by: Rikeka NO ONE CAN EVER RECORD YOU WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE (not without a court order, at least). <decloak> I'm sorry to disagree, but that is simply not true. You can record a conversation as long as it complies with your State and, in the case of interstate, Federal laws and regulations without disclosure to the other party. It is prudent practice to give disclosure, but in many applications you do not have to. Example: "Generally, it is legal to record any conversation where all the parties to it consent (one party consent if all parties are in a state with corresponding law). The U.S. federal law only requires one-party consent to the recording of a telephone conversation, but explicitly does not protect the taping if it is done for a criminal or tortuous purpose. Many states have similar exceptions." http://www.kishkish.com/sam/recorder/legal.php And, reflecting further on this, there could be an extrapolation from the innocent recording of a voice similar to the innocent taking of a photo that has someone's image on it. An extreme argument, granted, but one that should be accounted for in any consideration. Again, I'm trying to give easy-to-read and understandable examples without getting into the legalese. And, of course, I also acknowledge this is U.S. law as well. Unfortunately, I've contributed to the catastrophic derailing of this thread from its original topic into a legal discussion that will likely result in its closure and eventual burial in the Eve-o. I guess my last comment should reflect that one should seek professional counsel if they wish to have proper guidance on this topic; however, I'm not sure payment in timecards will be accepted. <recloak> Res - It speaks for itself
Alexison Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 21:51:00 - [135] I REST MY CASE!
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.13 21:53:00 - [136] Aknowledged, should not have said ¿RECORDED¿ so blutantly, for its not true. Consider this an edit of my statement.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 21:55:00 - [137] I can just imagine the Strategic First Strike Response Team at work... "BoB is attacking!" "Quick, call in the lawyers!" Everyone in EVE has the same potential as we in BoB do. This includes the potential for espionage and the potential for counter-espionage. Both of which are features of EVE. Why else would you think this game was based on "corporations"? Whether or not people use that potential is not the responsibility of BoB. Until CCP says that "no, you cannot play The Village People songs on an enemy corporation's TS" we are not doing anything wrong. Besides, what do you people have against The Village People?
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.13 22:00:00 - [138] Edited by: Rikeka on 13/10/2006 22:02:27 Edited by: Rikeka on 13/10/2006 22:01:01 Dude, I doubt here people are talking about harmless alts. (if they are, then my apologies) LOL. [EDIT] Though you just gave me an idea... What happens if CCP implements their own version of a TS within the game? What`s with Village People?
Resipsa Loquitor Aliastra	Posted - 2006.10.13 22:07:00 - [139] Edited by: Resipsa Loquitor on 13/10/2006 22:12:36 Originally by: Rikeka Edited by: Rikeka on 13/10/2006 22:02:27 Though you just gave me an idea... What happens if CCP implements their own version of a TS within the game? Off-the-cuff opinion: it's covered under the copyright terms you agreed to contractually when you bought/signed onto the game, as are all things involved with the game, including images, sounds, text, etc. Similar to the contents of this forum, which are protected by copyright, it becomes part of "the game". Recordings of such would be extractions from the protected works. Again, seek professional guidance on that point. Res - It speaks for itself
Yikes Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 22:08:00 - [140] I have an in depth knowledge of copyright law, having once watched LA Law on a flight to Majorca. Case dismissed !
SkaffenAmtiskaw Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 22:09:00 - [141] Originally by: Rikeka [EDIT] Though you just gave me an idea... What happens if CCP implements their own version of a TS within the game? People who've dropped a few hundred dollars on TS licenses purely for alliance comms will probably cry a little inside, then start drinking heavily to celebrate the reduction in bandwidth costs? ______ 'A lot of the people in m0o were ok, a lot of them were exploiters, greiferes etc.' - Wrangler on m0o corp.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.13 22:18:00 - [142] Originally by: Resipsa Loquitor Great non-bull**** explanation, but... Was not ment as a real question, ment the same thing than the BoB pilot said above.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.13 22:32:00 - [143] Counter it by having commercial music on the background bleeding in the mic. Makes every recording susceptible to copyright laws. Then again most eve vids have commercial music in them and no official instance seems to care afik. Most TS recordings are funny though and its going on since 2003 anyway. Stuff like the "there is always deniability" are just a total hoot.
Hakera Anari Higard	Posted - 2006.10.13 22:41:00 - [144] oh dearie me, how quickl;y a thread can descend into crap. Morality in war, moreso a game based on war. There is no moral reason to go to war other than the desire to. To say a war is immoral is to say you dont agree with it from your point of view. Which is not applicable in the year 107. Morality is outlawed :)
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.13 22:42:00 - [145] I remember when FA (xanadu) recorded and edited a CA council meeting and posted it. I remember CA members being angry, but only because it was heavily edited to take it out of context. Nobody got their E-lawyers out then. It's sad that some people take a game so seriously that they now toss that out so liberaly. Back in the day, when Ragnar threatened to sue CCP because of 'The Scope' reporting on their war was met with univeral condemation and laughter. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.13 22:43:00 - [146] Originally by: Hakera oh dearie me, how quickl;y a thread can descend into crap. Morality in war, moreso a game based on war. There is no moral reason to go to war other than the desire to. To say a war is immoral is to say you dont agree with it from your point of view. Which is not applicable in the year 107. Morality is outlawed :) Hippie! :P
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.13 23:17:00 - [147] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: jellybird OMG Are u still talking, there is something called "Real Life" just a few steps away, get a grip pal. Thanks for this valuable contribution. PS - I play eve for less than a few hours a week atm... if anyone needs to get a life around here, its not me Sheesh, you got schooled, learn from it and move on. The Dark Lord consults the Force under his tinfoil helm..
Stockarian eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.13 23:51:00 - [148] Athelas Loraiel > "This isn't a fleet, we're only the appetizer." Cheers, Stock
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.13 23:59:00 - [149] I want to punch whoever brought all of the lawerese talk into a video game as hard as I can. Metaphorically speaking, mind you. I'm just about as nobody as you can get in Eve. I'm not rich, I don't have great PVP skills, I'm not a superb diplomat. I don't have a Cadre of people that spam me convos and evemails when I log in. I am honest, though. I believe in the honor of battle. I believe in using combat as a means of entertainment, not the end all of measurement as to your role in the game, and in life. As I've said a few times here and there, I've been in Black Nova. I had a decent chat with Blacklight over in Fountain somewhere last week (Before I tried to kill an Ishtar, a Curse and a Malediction in a Caracal) The bottom line is, past all the forum posturing, talk of greatness, signature wars and everything else going on I just wanted to say this: An alliance as good as BoB is at PVP, shouldn't need to run the ASCN Teamspeak in parallel with theirs to know what we are doing. If BoB was as amazing at PVP as they purport, they wouldn't need to do that. I've flown with BoB all over fountain, back when it was a warzone. I've seen some pretty damn impressive stuff, they've got some of the best FC's in the business. With greatness comes great responsibility. They say absolute power corrupts absolutely. Eve is always changing, evolving, moving forward with the times and the people which inhabit it. When did we cross the line, and say to ourselves it was a good idea to load shuttles with bookmarks to lag others out, just to gain an advantage? Or to bait newbies into taking from jetcans? Or Logging on en masse to lag out and kill someone? Or using exploits to leave Cyno fields up all day without needing fuel or a player to generate it? Or even in this case, using an alt to feed enemy fleet activities to your own fleet? Where do we draw the line? What do we consider "Honorable" and "Dishonorable"? Is winning so important that we forget why we play in the first place, to have fun? Is the newest generation of Eve players people that get their fun out of Eve only by winning, even if it means using exploits and shady play? The bottom line is, a coalition of players as good as Band of Brothers shouldn't need to eavesdrop on Teamspeak to give them an edge in battle. I know most of you never knew me, and probably don't care. Those of you that do, all I ask is you guys have a private talk on how you want to be remembered when Eve is over and done, and Eve2-Eve5 comes about. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. Send me isk, Caracals cost money.
General Windypops	Posted - 2006.10.14 00:00:00 - [150] Edited by: General Windypops on 14/10/2006 00:00:48 Congrats to both BoB and ASCN managing to lose any mystique they had in the public eye with one of the most embarassing threads I've ever read. Never before have 2 of Eve's 'major' alliances indulged in such a humiliating exchange of legalese insults and amateurish intellectual posturing than I've seen here. For the love of god, do you not realise that every time you post in this thread the public perception of you shifts from 'respect for significant alliances' to 'omg, these guys are so very very very boring'. This cringeworthy exchange of pseudo-professional rutting has left me, and the majority of Eve, with a much lower public image of the alliances involved. Point one: It's a game. It's not real. It's based in space. You have starships'n'stuff. Point two: Always makes me laugh when people quote American state laws and believe that the entire rest of the planet notices / cares about local state law. Point three: Whoah. Embarassing when people you thought were tough PVPers show just how petty, nerdy, and beurocratic they really are. Seriously, BoB and ASCN - this has been your most damaging thread to date.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 00:01:00 - [151] oh noes, we recorded you! the sky is falling the sky is falling! its the end of the world Seriously, some people take this far to serious... Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 00:06:00 - [152] Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 14/10/2006 00:00:48 Congrats to both BoB and ASCN managing to lose any mystique they had in the public eye with one of the most embarassing threads I've ever read. Never before have 2 of Eve's 'major' alliances indulged in such a humiliating exchange of legalese insults and amateurish intellectual posturing than I've seen here. For the love of god, do you not realise that every time you post in this thread the public perception of you shifts from 'respect for significant alliances' to 'omg, these guys are so very very very boring'. This cringeworthy exchange of pseudo-professional rutting has left me, and the majority of Eve, with a much lower public image of the alliances involved. Point one: It's a game. It's not real. It's based in space. You have starships'n'stuff. Point two: Always makes me laugh when people quote American state laws and believe that the entire rest of the planet notices / cares about local state law. Point three: Whoah. Embarassing when people you thought were tough PVPers show just how petty, nerdy, and beurocratic they really are. Seriously, BoB and ASCN - this has been your most damaging thread to date. to someone that is not involved it might seem so.. But this is war.. There are no rules. The gloves are off and its pew pew time.. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
David Hassellhoff Hairy Chests Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.14 00:08:00 - [153] Edited by: David Hassellhoff on 14/10/2006 00:08:53 Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 14/10/2006 00:00:48 Congrats to both BoB and ASCN managing to lose any mystique they had in the public eye with one of the most embarassing threads I've ever read. Never before have 2 of Eve's 'major' alliances indulged in such a humiliating exchange of legalese insults and amateurish intellectual posturing than I've seen here. For the love of god, do you not realise that every time you post in this thread the public perception of you shifts from 'respect for significant alliances' to 'omg, these guys are so very very very boring'. This cringeworthy exchange of pseudo-professional rutting has left me, and the majority of Eve, with a much lower public image of the alliances involved. Point one: It's a game. It's not real. It's based in space. You have starships'n'stuff. Point two: Always makes me laugh when people quote American state laws and believe that the entire rest of the planet notices / cares about local state law. Point three: Whoah. Embarassing when people you thought were tough PVPers show just how petty, nerdy, and beurocratic they really are. Seriously, BoB and ASCN - this has been your most damaging thread to date. QFE. My respect for ASCN and BoB has plumetted reading this. OMG - i thought they did their fighting on the battlefield, not in trainee law school. Deeply embarrasing for both. I am also amazed at the poor control of their leadership. How the hell did the command of either alliance allow their members to post here O.o Signature unrelated to eve -Eldo ([email protected])
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 00:27:00 - [154] Originally by: David Hassellhoff stuff You should back read these forums a bit, go back a couple of years, what you've experienced wasn't "real" eve, it was "fluffy" EvE. Real eve is dirty, passionate, no holds barred, extreme and intense online gaming. It's not for everybody and, indeed, for some it's too much.
Bosie	Posted - 2006.10.14 00:42:00 - [155] Originally by: Frankinator Stuff ♪Hey Frankie♪ ♪Oohooh♪ ♪Oohooh♪ ♪I was mining in the belts one day♪ ♪When I looked up I saw a hostile♪ ♪Hey Frankie♪ ♪Do you remember me♪ ♪You looked at me and then I ran♪ ♪æCause I remembered I feared you so much♪ ♪Way back when we were eneimes♪ ♪Fighting together but then you popped me♪ ♪Frankie♪ ♪Do you remember me♪ ♪Frankie♪ ♪Do you remember♪ Bosie. "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND." ...Winston
David Hassellhoff Hairy Chests Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.14 00:48:00 - [156] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: David Hassellhoff stuff You should back read these forums a bit, go back a couple of years, what you've experienced wasn't "real" eve, it was "fluffy" EvE. Real eve is dirty, passionate, no holds barred, extreme and intense online gaming. It's not for everybody and, indeed, for some it's too much. Um. Are you seriously suggesting that this embarassing display of pseudo-legal rutting is 'too much' for some and 'dirty, passionate, no holds barred... YAWN'. My point is that seeing two supposed 'superpowers' hide behind tedious legal wrangling is deeply boring, humiliating, and - god forbid - nerdiness in the extreme. Dirty, passionate combat is achieved through prowess on the battlefield, not preposterous beurocratic verbosity on the forums. If you think anyone reading this thread is going to conclude 'OMG I won't attack BoB - they have the best unqualified trainee lawyers I've ever seen' you're sadly mistaken. They are reading this thread, and getting deeply disillusioned about the 'superpowers' charisma levels. Signature unrelated to eve -Eldo ([email protected])
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.14 00:54:00 - [157] Originally by: Hast oh noes, we recorded you! the sky is falling the sky is falling! its the end of the world Seriously, some people take this far to serious... Maybe by recording and mirroring TS...You guys are taking the game to serious? LOL..funny. "What happens in Deklien stays in Deklien".
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.14 00:58:00 - [158] Jack Thompson could use a few lawyers like you. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 01:00:00 - [159] Originally by: David Hassellhoff ..... At any time between now and when the penny drops please feel free to realise that we don't care what you think.
Cpt Buck Amarr International Brotherhood of Eve Workers	Posted - 2006.10.14 01:14:00 - [160] How goes week 2?
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 01:34:00 - [161] Originally by: David Hassellhoff stuff bla bla bla what else is there to do when waiting for your enemy is like an exciting game of beard growing
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2006.10.14 01:36:00 - [162] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 13/10/2006 19:48:02 We don't need you to judge our morality nor care whether you do but it's still hilarious watching your poor legal arguments. dbp hehe bd keeps u guys pretty busy tho asuming u do not care. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 01:51:00 - [163] Originally by: Cpt Buck How goes week 2? Update to follow ;)
BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 02:29:00 - [164] Ahhhh, drama. I love this. On basic legal basis, Avon >> ButterDog :D I adore it when people start threatening their internet game enemies with lawsuits, which mostly have pretty much no grounds anyways since the wonderful "global" aspect of our belowed intarweb. Everyone should just chill out and remember that world doesn't run by US law - nor the UK one. The internet basically runs by no unified law at all. Also, I adore the fact that this TV generation of ours thinks that suing stuff on a whim like this is actually feasible. Funny. If you are a non-certified person and you are thinking about pursuing a matter like this through legal means... Think again. If you are a person who is certified to pursue and run cases through legal means, you seriously aren't going to start wasting your time on a borderline case about an internet voice software CR conflict over an online game. You have better things think about, real work to do and real money to make. Stop this nonsense. ------------------- Sig is not eve related - please see the RULES - Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc ([email protected]) -
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.14 03:09:00 - [165] Originally by: Blacklight At any time between now and when the penny drops please feel free to realise that we don't care what you think. Quit being so arrogant dude, its getting old. If you really didnt care what other people think you wouldn't make hundreds of BoB posts every day in public forums.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 03:13:00 - [166] Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Blacklight At any time between now and when the penny drops please feel free to realise that we don't care what you think. Quit being so arrogant dude, its getting old. If you really didnt care what other people think you wouldn't make hundreds of BoB posts every day in public forums. Blacklight hardly posts at all o_O The forums are here, for I dunno the umpteenth time, for our amusement during the slow times. Tell you, here's a deal: Stop hiding all day and we'll not have time to post, you'd surely be doing the eve cluster a great favour in keeping us occupied...
Watch Me	Posted - 2006.10.14 03:18:00 - [167] Quote: An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. by Winston Churchill
Wraith foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.14 03:26:00 - [168] Originally by: VonKaplanek III If you really didnt care what other people think you wouldn't make hundreds of BoB posts every day in public forums. The seem to be a bit of missing logic in that.. when ppl express opinions on topics on which they have some knowledge, that some how gets translated into them having to listen to every tom **** and harry who havent the first notion what's going on?
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 03:37:00 - [169] Edited by: Red Six on 14/10/2006 03:38:44 Originally by: David Hassellhoff Edited by: David Hassellhoff on 14/10/2006 00:08:53 Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 14/10/2006 00:00:48 Congrats to both BoB and ASCN managing to lose any mystique they had in the public eye with one of the most embarassing threads I've ever read. Never before have 2 of Eve's 'major' alliances indulged in such a humiliating exchange of legalese insults and amateurish intellectual posturing than I've seen here. For the love of god, do you not realise that every time you post in this thread the public perception of you shifts from 'respect for significant alliances' to 'omg, these guys are so very very very boring'. This cringeworthy exchange of pseudo-professional rutting has left me, and the majority of Eve, with a much lower public image of the alliances involved. Point one: It's a game. It's not real. It's based in space. You have starships'n'stuff. Point two: Always makes me laugh when people quote American state laws and believe that the entire rest of the planet notices / cares about local state law. Point three: Whoah. Embarassing when people you thought were tough PVPers show just how petty, nerdy, and beurocratic they really are. Seriously, BoB and ASCN - this has been your most damaging thread to date. QFE. My respect for ASCN and BoB has plumetted reading this. OMG - i thought they did their fighting on the battlefield, not in trainee law school. Deeply embarrasing for both. I am also amazed at the poor control of their leadership. How the hell did the command of either alliance allow their members to post here O.o LOL, go look up some of the GNW or SA/CA threads. These are tame in comparison. Edit: Better yet go look for some of the Jade Constantine posts in the first Venal War. Those are classic threads for eloquent smack.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 04:24:00 - [170] Edited by: Blacklight on 14/10/2006 04:24:38 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Blacklight At any time between now and when the penny drops please feel free to realise that we don't care what you think. Quit being so arrogant dude, its getting old. If you really didnt care what other people think you wouldn't make hundreds of BoB posts every day in public forums. Oh I'm sorry I'll immediately change my forum stance because you don't like it. Stop hiding in POS's all day, being generally incompetent or running like hell when we get anywhere near you and I might feel a little more humble.
zyphentits Sector 7	Posted - 2006.10.14 05:35:00 - [171] Is it me or perhaps both sides are experience more loses then what they had hoped? But hey, it's war... ---------------------------------------------
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.14 06:20:00 - [172] Originally by: David Hassellhoff How the hell did the command of either alliance allow their members to post here O.o This kind of thing I always find really amusing. Props to the leadership of both parties for allowing their members the ability to freely speak on these forums people pay for it so why the hell should anyone have the "psuedo authorisation" to take that away from a paying player? If (and I guess I'm lucky because I've never been "gagged" by my friends in game) it was ever attempted, I'd call them out for the asshats they are. Keeping schtum about a specific upcoming operation is one thing, I can see the sense behind that, but gagging people? Please! Just ofc imho. The Dark Lord consults the Force under his tinfoil helm..
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 06:37:00 - [173] Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Blacklight At any time between now and when the penny drops please feel free to realise that we don't care what you think. Quit being so arrogant dude, its getting old. If you really didnt care what other people think you wouldn't make hundreds of BoB posts every day in public forums. Did you get the fuel for you ship yet? The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Riddari Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:21:00 - [174] Todays dread loss occured following a client locking up. Those of us still with responsive clients tanked it easily. If I was BOB I'd share the honor with CCP on that one. ¼+¼ a history
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:32:00 - [175] Originally by: Riddari Todays dread loss occured following a client locking up. Those of us still with responsive clients tanked it easily. If I was BOB I'd share the honor with CCP on that one. Maybe the BoB support "fleet" used one of those haxsploits called focused fire on him and that's why everyone else had no problem?!? And sorry BUT someone who fits worse than t2 rechargers on a dreadnought... especially a moros... no further comment. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Hellcore Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:32:00 - [176] Originally by: Riddari Todays dread loss occured following a client locking up. Those of us still with responsive clients tanked it easily. If I was BOB I'd share the honor with CCP on that one. It was lost because you ran out of cap/fuel.
El Alamein Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:33:00 - [177] Originally by: Riddari Todays dread loss occured following a client locking up. Those of us still with responsive clients tanked it easily. If I was BOB I'd share the honor with CCP on that one. he ran out of fuel and died a slow and painful death, ccp wont find anything in their logs for this one m8. -----------------------------------
Ordep Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:34:00 - [178] Edited by: Ordep on 14/10/2006 08:34:28 Originally by: Riddari Todays dread loss occured following a client locking up. Those of us still with responsive clients tanked it easily. If I was BOB I'd share the honor with CCP on that one. Rightttttt...... Your client frooze but he kept going in and out of siege. nice one....again. Made in Portugal
Serret Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:34:00 - [179] Originally by: Riddari Todays dread loss occured following a client locking up. Those of us still with responsive clients tanked it easily. If I was BOB I'd share the honor with CCP on that one. It all makes sense now. That must be why your two remaining dreads cynoed to escape a fleet composed primarily of frigates while the rest of your battleship fleet warped away. We were wondering if you guys were just cowards, but obviously we were mistaken. Good fight, by the way. Our 6 frigates also lagged out during the same fight, which explains their deaths. -- <Deathwing> just say Amarr pwn cause DW is Amarr
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:35:00 - [180] Originally by: Riddari Todays dread loss occured following a client locking up. Those of us still with responsive clients tanked it easily. If I was BOB I'd share the honor with CCP on that one. If I was ASCN I would consider leaving...inept leadership tbh...sending 3 dreads to take out a pos with a very amaturish support fleet wouldnt fill me with confidence.
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:35:00 - [181] Edited by: End Yourself on 14/10/2006 08:35:36 Originally by: Hellcore Originally by: Riddari Todays dread loss occured following a client locking up. Those of us still with responsive clients tanked it easily. If I was BOB I'd share the honor with CCP on that one. It was lost because you ran out of cap/fuel. Cheapo cap rechargers on a moros 4tw. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Menth Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:36:00 - [182] Originally by: Hellcore Originally by: Riddari Todays dread loss occured following a client locking up. Those of us still with responsive clients tanked it easily. If I was BOB I'd share the honor with CCP on that one. It was lost because you ran out of cap/fuel. And the pos and ships shooting it. :D
HordeZla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:36:00 - [183] Originally by: zyphen**** Is it me or perhaps both sides are experience more loses then what they had hoped? But hey, it's war... Your right, so right. It's just you! I know for a fact that one side is very happy with there low losses. Your signature is inappropriate ( copyrighted material). Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Hellcore Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:37:00 - [184] Originally by: End Yourself Cheapo cap rechargers on a moros 4tw. At least this one did not have T1 mods fitted.
Riddari Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:38:00 - [185] I was tanking you lot while out of siege. He asked several minutes before he blew up if he should relog because his client froze up. We said no, hoping it would kick back in. Good job on spinning this one though, too bad you don't have the teamspeak recordings so you can verify this. BOB SPIN MACHINE OVERDRIVE NOW ONLINE ¼+¼ a history
Crohnx Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:38:00 - [186] client dropped and thats why tank failed , it will get reimbursed ...
Ordep Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:41:00 - [187] Edited by: Ordep on 14/10/2006 08:43:20 Originally by: Riddari I was tanking you lot while out of siege. He asked several minutes before he blew up if he should relog because his client froze up. We said no, hoping it would kick back in. Good job on spinning this one though, too bad you don't have the teamspeak recordings so you can verify this. BOB SPIN MACHINE OVERDRIVE NOW ONLINE ASCN lag machine. I guess your shoot went the wrong way.. hein ? Made in Portugal
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:42:00 - [188] Originally by: Riddari I was tanking you lot while out of siege. He asked several minutes before he blew up if he should relog because his client froze up. We said no, hoping it would kick back in. Good job on spinning this one though, too bad you don't have the teamspeak recordings so you can verify this. BOB SPIN MACHINE OVERDRIVE NOW ONLINE Wow, just wow. We were well aware that we were slowly breaking your tank coz we were mainly support on you except 2 bs but we were doing exactly that, wearing you down, can only siege so long, then cap failure etc then splat. Runnin off to petition your loss in a long drawn out fight is pretty crap tbh, take it like a man ASCN PETITION MODE ON Iron and G eat babie's, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance
wizzard66 Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:43:00 - [189] Vakyrie I's and Ogre I's on a Moros Dreadnought? You seriously don't need lag...
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:43:00 - [190] Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Blacklight At any time between now and when the penny drops please feel free to realise that we don't care what you think. Quit being so arrogant dude, its getting old. If you really didnt care what other people think you wouldn't make hundreds of BoB posts every day in public forums. You still dont have a clue about many things...and i doubt you will ever have IF YOU SEE ME WHINING OR NERVOUS THEN THERE ARE IDIOTS NEAR BY
HordeZla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:43:00 - [191] Originally by: Riddari Todays dread loss occured following a client locking up. Those of us still with responsive clients tanked it easily. If I was BOB I'd share the honor with CCP on that one. LMAO, OFC it was, nothing to do with been shot at and the rest leaving in any way shape of form. I learned a quote today: "If you can't loose with out blaiming others stop loosing" Your signature is inappropriate ( copyrighted material). Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:46:00 - [192] even dreads in siege cant stand up to the headshot macro! but seriously, t1 named mods on a dread? cant you get Cryvok to give you the extra cash for a t2 cap recharger? Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Hellcore Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:47:00 - [193] Originally by: Riddari I was tanking you lot while out of siege. That wouldn't be tough, considering we focused fire on you for all of a minute before switching back to the victim.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:51:00 - [194] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 14/10/2006 08:52:53 Originally by: Riddari Todays dread loss occured following a client locking up. Those of us still with responsive clients tanked it easily. If I was BOB I'd share the honor with CCP on that one. How about the 24 battleships (+ smaller stuff) lost today (to 0 BoB BS lost and only minor others). Were they also due to client lock-up? Stop making excuses. Yes, sometimes the game causes you to loose stuff. It happens to us too, but we don't whine about it.... Edit: Couldn't count. 24, not 26 (not that it improves the situation a lot)...
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:56:00 - [195] Edited by: Darcuese on 14/10/2006 08:56:33 Originally by: Hast even dreads in siege cant stand up to the headshot macro! but seriously, t1 named mods on a dread? cant you get Cryvok to give you the extra cash for a t2 cap recharger? They dont want to spend money for couse HAst. Only for themself individualy...cheap geeks IF YOU SEE ME WHINING OR NERVOUS THEN THERE ARE IDIOTS NEAR BY
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 09:19:00 - [196] Originally by: Riddari I was tanking you lot while out of siege. He asked several minutes before he blew up if he should relog because his client froze up. We said no, hoping it would kick back in. Good job on spinning this one though, too bad you don't have the teamspeak recordings so you can verify this. BOB SPIN MACHINE OVERDRIVE NOW ONLINE Look at it this way: siege mode and not siege mode is like day and night. While not in siege mode, dread can easily run dual capital rep without any especially fancy stuff. While in siege, it will run out of juice in less than 1 minute unless you have lots of cap modules(talking about 3x faction relays at least) and some fancy rechargers which you didn't have. And with 1 capital rep, you can't tank whole bunch of stuff without siege mode. Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 09:32:00 - [197] TBH there is no point of arguing with ASCN on that kill coz the end of the arguemnt will always be the same , ASCN pov "BOB are a bunch of cheating quakekiddies who live with their moms" and it wont change . So let them enjoy their feable minded excuse and we will enjoy the kill. PS: ASCN the fitting on ur capital ships are a joke , check modules and ships for better setups. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Whoturned Outthelights	Posted - 2006.10.14 09:39:00 - [198] Originally by: HordeZla Originally by: zyphen**** Is it me or perhaps both sides are experience more loses then what they had hoped? But hey, it's war... Your right, so right. It's just you! I know for a fact that one side is very happy with there low losses. Guess it helps if your board conveniently ignores the 134 losses Constructive Influence have racked up eh?
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 09:41:00 - [199] Edited by: Vince Draken on 14/10/2006 09:42:08 Originally by: Whoturned Outthelights Originally by: HordeZla Originally by: zyphen**** Is it me or perhaps both sides are experience more loses then what they had hoped? But hey, it's war... Your right, so right. It's just you! I know for a fact that one side is very happy with there low losses. Guess it helps if your board conveniently ignores the 134 losses Constructive Influence have racked up eh? Everyone look at the spineless ascn alt here. You can't even follow the forum rules can you? Go fit up some more rail-pocs(just lol) and while you're at it, check if they are part of bob. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 09:47:00 - [200] Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Blacklight At any time between now and when the penny drops please feel free to realise that we don't care what you think. Quit being so arrogant dude, its getting old. If you really didnt care what other people think you wouldn't make hundreds of BoB posts every day in public forums. You still dont have a clue about many things...and i doubt you will ever have This post is the perfect example of why people dislike BoB's forum attitude. Thank you for making my points about your alliance crystal clear to all, with just one post. Well done.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 09:47:00 - [201] Originally by: Crohnx client dropped and thats why tank failed , it will get reimbursed ... CTRL+Q will do that to you. I'm joking. However, a client crash is not CCP's fault, and not petitionable - the problem has to be with their server. No wonder the petition queue is so long. You lost a dread. Big deal. It happens. Move on. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 09:49:00 - [202] Originally by: Whoturned Outthelights Originally by: HordeZla Originally by: zyphen**** Is it me or perhaps both sides are experience more loses then what they had hoped? But hey, it's war... Your right, so right. It's just you! I know for a fact that one side is very happy with there low losses. Guess it helps if your board conveniently ignores the 134 losses Constructive Influence have racked up eh? Havent you heard? A PvP alliance getting a better kill/loss ratio than an industrial alliance is a stunning achievement. This proves once and for all that BoB are better PvPers than anyone else in EVE. How could we ever doubt them?
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 09:50:00 - [203] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Blacklight At any time between now and when the penny drops please feel free to realise that we don't care what you think. Quit being so arrogant dude, its getting old. If you really didnt care what other people think you wouldn't make hundreds of BoB posts every day in public forums. You still dont have a clue about many things...and i doubt you will ever have This post is the perfect example of why people dislike BoB's forum attitude. Thank you for making my points about your alliance crystal clear to all, with just one post. Well done. Haven't you figured out we don't care? We espicially don't care what you think. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.14 09:55:00 - [204] bob sucks*****s
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 09:58:00 - [205] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Whoturned Outthelights Originally by: HordeZla Originally by: zyphen**** Is it me or perhaps both sides are experience more loses then what they had hoped? But hey, it's war... Your right, so right. It's just you! I know for a fact that one side is very happy with there low losses. Guess it helps if your board conveniently ignores the 134 losses Constructive Influence have racked up eh? Havent you heard? A PvP alliance getting a better kill/loss ratio than an industrial alliance is a stunning achievement. This proves once and for all that BoB are better PvPers than anyone else in EVE. How could we ever doubt them? Ask the old residents of paragon soul just how "industrial" ASCN are. There is no such thing, I'm afraid - in fact I'd be willing to put our own industrial output up against ASCN any day of the week.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 09:58:00 - [206] Originally by: Vince Draken Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Blacklight At any time between now and when the penny drops please feel free to realise that we don't care what you think. Quit being so arrogant dude, its getting old. If you really didnt care what other people think you wouldn't make hundreds of BoB posts every day in public forums. You still dont have a clue about many things...and i doubt you will ever have This post is the perfect example of why people dislike BoB's forum attitude. Thank you for making my points about your alliance crystal clear to all, with just one post. Well done. Haven't you figured out we don't care? We espicially don't care what you think. lol... 'I don't care, but I'm going to post on public forums in increasingly desperate attempts to stroke my epeen, and if anyone doesnt stroke my epeen too, all my alliance friends will flame them into submission with pointless one-liners'. Yeah, you're all doing a really good impression of someone who 'doesnt care'. Do keep it up
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:00:00 - [207] Originally by: Butter Dog lol... 'I don't care, but I'm going to post on public forums in increasingly desperate attempts to stroke my epeen, and if anyone doesnt stroke my epeen too, all my alliance friends will flame them into submission with pointless one-liners'. Yeah, you're all doing a really good impression of someone who 'doesnt care'. Do keep it up Posting on the forum is something to do while waiting for the ASCN 8/10 complex to respawn
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:00:00 - [208] An ASCN capital ship kill per day keeps the doctor away... Missed it :[
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:02:00 - [209] Originally by: Louisa Torres Ask the old residents of paragon soul just how "industrial" ASCN are. There is no such thing, I'm afraid - in fact I'd be willing to put our own industrial output up against ASCN any day of the week. Now you're just talking pure unadulterated BS. ASCN is a diverse alliance with some PvP elements, however everyone reading this forum (including you) knows they are predominantly industrial in nature, unlike your alliance. So fine, if you want a fair comparison, bring all your industrial alt corps into the BoB alliance and then see how your kill/loss starts to look.
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:09:00 - [210] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Ask the old residents of paragon soul just how "industrial" ASCN are. There is no such thing, I'm afraid - in fact I'd be willing to put our own industrial output up against ASCN any day of the week. Now you're just talking pure unadulterated BS. ASCN is a diverse alliance with some PvP elements, however everyone reading this forum (including you) knows they are predominantly industrial in nature, unlike your alliance. So fine, if you want a fair comparison, bring all your industrial alt corps into the BoB alliance and then see how your kill/loss starts to look. Why are you so jealous? Oh wait, are you going to sue me now? ASCN = Xetic 2 which is why they pretty much suck. But I like ASCN, keep it up dudes. Can't wait for the next CYVOK blog post You Will Cry My Name
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:13:00 - [211] Originally by: Nira Li Can't wait for the next CYVOK blog post Yeah, me too Everytime Cyvok posts one of his 'morale' blogs, they REALLY do work..... At least BoB's morale go up by 20 percent (of.c. our combat capability goes down temporarily because we're rofl'ing).
Seth Quantix Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:19:00 - [212] Edited by: Seth Quantix on 14/10/2006 10:21:02 Why can't ASCN just admitt that they lack planning, skill and leadership and this is the reason for there unbeliavable daily losses. The sooner they do this the sooner they might not loose so many ships to bad leadership and stupid decisions. The capital ship died because ASCN fail to realise that unlike them we will fight even if we have 50% ther numbers as we know they can't handle a hostile fleet half there size because many of there players are in it for them self and won't stick around and help the other team mates in need. Bad planning and poor leadership 4tl.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:22:00 - [213] Originally by: Riddari I was tanking you lot while out of siege. He asked several minutes before he blew up if he should relog because his client froze up. We said no, hoping it would kick back in. Good job on spinning this one though, too bad you don't have the teamspeak recordings so you can verify this. BOB SPIN MACHINE OVERDRIVE NOW ONLINE It died did it not ? And you were fine and managed to warp away correct ? lol so it wasnt the servers hence no reimburshment should be made and what does that make it ? A KILL \o/
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:23:00 - [214] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Ask the old residents of paragon soul just how "industrial" ASCN are. There is no such thing, I'm afraid - in fact I'd be willing to put our own industrial output up against ASCN any day of the week. Now you're just talking pure unadulterated BS. ASCN is a diverse alliance with some PvP elements, however everyone reading this forum (including you) knows they are predominantly industrial in nature, unlike your alliance. So fine, if you want a fair comparison, bring all your industrial alt corps into the BoB alliance and then see how your kill/loss starts to look. Of course Butter Dog, because you're as familiar with BoB industrial workings as I am with ASCN. Sure, of course you are. p.s. There is only one BoB "alt" corp outside of the IGA, please try harder next time.
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:40:00 - [215] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Ask the old residents of paragon soul just how "industrial" ASCN are. There is no such thing, I'm afraid - in fact I'd be willing to put our own industrial output up against ASCN any day of the week. Now you're just talking pure unadulterated BS. ASCN is a diverse alliance with some PvP elements, however everyone reading this forum (including you) knows they are predominantly industrial in nature, unlike your alliance. So fine, if you want a fair comparison, bring all your industrial alt corps into the BoB alliance and then see how your kill/loss starts to look. It just goes to show why you don't understand BOB. ASCN, while they do have some pvp'ers also have FAR more what I would call freeloaders. These are the types out for personal enrichement, the types that don;t show up for pvp unless at gun point. I'd HARDLY classify that as an industrial plus. If you want to talk abotu raw minerals mined per alliance, ASCN wins hands down. But, inudustry is much more than mining in todays Eve. I've seen (thx to owning shares) what t2 CLS has, DICE has more I can promise you that. It's pure and simple, BOB = Industrial->kill, ASCN = Industrial->self. Granted this isn't 100% accurate, but overall I can promise you it is. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:44:00 - [216] Sorry, are BoB members actually trying to argue that they are an Industrial alliance, and that ASCN is a PvP one? This is getting really funny If you want to brag about kill/loss, go on the warpath with D2 or AAA. Then, you would have a good reason to brag. As it is, you don't. It another Goon/Huzzah/Aridia locals type ego-boosting slaughter. If you want a well done, you've come to the wrong place. No-one outside your own alliance is impressed this time.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:45:00 - [217] Im quite proud of BNC's industry base as well, pretty sure we squeeze out alot more t2 stuff etc then most of the alliances ingame but our Industrialist also kick ass in PVP and quite enjoy keeling stuff. So yeah we may not have the number ASCN has but all our players are pvp'rs and our industry is strong.. freeloaders dont last long in BoB.
Seth Quantix Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:50:00 - [218] Originally by: Butter Dog Sorry, are BoB members actually trying to argue that they are an Industrial alliance, and that ASCN is a PvP one? This is getting really funny If you want to brag about kill/loss, go on the warpath with D2 or AAA. Then, you would have a good reason to brag. As it is, you don't. It another Goon/Huzzah/Aridia locals type ego-boosting slaughter. If you want a well done, you've come to the wrong place. No-one outside your own alliance is impressed this time. And you are?
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:52:00 - [219] Originally by: Butter Dog Sorry, are BoB members actually trying to argue that they are an Industrial alliance, and that ASCN is a PvP one? Are you really that narrow minded? I jsut explained it to you, but I guess it went right over your head. I can understand though because you can't fathom that a pvp alliance could also be good at the rest of eve. Originally by: Butter Dog This is getting really funny Yes, I agree. Your never ending hardon for bob is quite humerous. The fact that you cannot comprehend how we work is equally comical. Originally by: Butter Dog If you want to brag about kill/loss, go on the warpath with D2 or AAA. Then, you would have a good reason to brag. As it is, you don't. It another Goon/Huzzah/Aridia locals type ego-boosting slaughter. Oh my, you know I heard something similar when we went after the goons. Only it was go attack someone else strong liek ASCN or D2. We choose ASCN for geographical purposes and the challenge. You Mr. Failure of ISS can contiune to berate ASCN and company for all I care. But, if we had gunned for D2 (which is another north vs south *ness) retards liek you would being saying 'why not go after ascn, are you afraid to fight somene on your borders?'. It really is a tiresome record you keep spining. Originally by:** Butter Dog If you want a well done, you've come to the wrong place. No-one outside your own alliance is impressed this time. Haven't we already said numerous times we don't care what you or anyone else thinks? I thought I typed that a few posts ago. Sadly, as with everything else it went right over your head. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:52:00 - [220] Originally by: Butter Dog Sorry, are BoB members actually trying to argue that they are an Industrial alliance, and that ASCN is a PvP one? This is getting really funny If you want to brag about kill/loss, go on the warpath with D2 or AAA. Then, you would have a good reason to brag. As it is, you don't. It another Goon/Huzzah/Aridia locals type ego-boosting slaughter. If you want a well done, you've come to the wrong place. No-one outside your own alliance is impressed this time. ROFL, thats just class. Now your saying AAA are better pvp'rs then ASCN and you want us to go after D2 again ? lol weve done it so many times and im quite happy to fight someone else. Also D2 are having fun down south as well so im sure we'll be getting in some fights while they are down here so no worries we will be fighting real pvp'rs. You amaze me though Bitter Dog, atleast all other Fanbois were "defending" our target at the time they were flaming us on the forums but you seem to just hate us so much that you attack our targets as well. LoL keep it up, you still have a long way to go to become the leader of the Fanbois.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:17:00 - [221] I understand perfectly well that you have a well developed industrial side to your alliance. That is pretty common knowledge. However, what is it you are claiming here? Are you a PvP alliance by nature or not? How would you class ASCN? You see, its really quite simple. You go after a fat, mainly industrial target where good kill/loss ratios are virtually guarenteed. You then boast about kill/loss ratios LIKE ITS A SUPRISE. This is the result everyone, even ASCN, expected. So to claim otherwise is laughable.
Hackett Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:18:00 - [222] Originally by: Butter Dog Sorry, are BoB members actually trying to argue that they are an Industrial alliance, and that ASCN is a PvP one? This is getting really funny If you want to brag about kill/loss, go on the warpath with D2 or AAA. Then, you would have a good reason to brag. As it is, you don't. It another Goon/Huzzah/Aridia locals type ego-boosting slaughter. If you want a well done, you've come to the wrong place. No-one outside your own alliance is impressed this time. So as you know so much about the inner workings of an alliance you don't belong to perhaps you would care to enlighten everyone with your fact based knowledge -I know I am as keen as everyone else for you to explain exactly what it is we do and dont get up to. /me imagines Butter Dog sitting at his keyboard with his face purple, fists shaking in impotent rage.... http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9813/evolhackett6ln.gif Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:21:00 - [223] Originally by: Butter Dog I understand perfectly well that you have a well developed industrial side to your alliance. That is pretty common knowledge. However, what is it you are claiming here? Are you a PvP alliance by nature or not? How would you class ASCN? You see, its really quite simple. You go after a fat, mainly industrial target where good kill/loss ratios are virtually guarenteed. You then boast about kill/loss ratios LIKE ITS A SUPRISE. This is the result everyone, even ASCN, expected. So to claim otherwise is laughable. We are not a PvP alliance. We are not an industrial alliance. We are BoB. There is no part of this game we do not play. For you to claim that there are "more worthy", "more testing" targets around around is displaying a substantial lack of understanding of the game of EvE and the ethic of BoB. We do everything for a reason and because you can't work out what that is it frustrates you to the point that you follow us around and constantly lambast whatever we decide to do. If we had gone after aAa (catch sucks btw) you'd say "omg pick on somebody your own size", now that we're going after the biggest alliance in the game you say "omg pick on people that can fight". You really need to pick an angle and stick to it, Bitter Dog, because despite your claims of how WE look, there is only one person here spending more time spewing garbage on the forums, and as is quite obvious - that isn't us.
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:21:00 - [224] Originally by: Butter Dog Sorry, are BoB members actually trying to argue that they are an Industrial alliance, and that ASCN is a PvP one? This is getting really funny If you want to brag about kill/loss, go on the warpath with D2 or AAA. Then, you would have a good reason to brag. As it is, you don't. It another Goon/Huzzah/Aridia locals type ego-boosting slaughter. If you want a well done, you've come to the wrong place. No-one outside your own alliance is impressed this time. Usually everyone attacked by bob turns into an industrial alliance to defend itself morally. FA was one of the major 5 players early eve saw. When it got attacked it was "buhu were industrial". Xetic was a major player in the post CA time and stuck there nose in every agreement made in the south. Yet when they got attacked by 5 they cried "buhu we are industrial". When G / Iron got attacked while attacking Ascn (Frontline troops left home) both stated "buhuu those are our industry guys ure killing". When Trust was killed by Ascn and BoB (they merged into D2 lateron) everyone said "doh they are industrial". Please name me 5 major spacecontrolling non industrial alliances in eve. You simply cant because every alliance needs a backbone to build ships, to freighter around goods, to fuel towers, to generate isk (for all the fine pos and capital stuff) and to replace losses against attackers. The secret of eve is that its not unique to have multiple characters which can be good in very different areas. As for bobs industrial side, there was a whine not long ago that bob had a t2 bpo of nearly everything and that they can produce every hac, commandship, reconship, interceptor at costprice. How do you do that without industrial backbone ? Frankly said the forums were filled with buzzing about the "clash of the titans" now that we have it and it is a rough ride for Ascn every fanboy calls them industrial alliance and puts up a new titan bob is supposed to challenge. BoB is fighting parts of the same coalition which fought RA and noone moaned about. How can it be fair for 4+ alliances to team up against RA while its unfair for BoB to attack 1 which gets immideately supported by 3 others (POS, Axe and partly LV / VI / Huzzah remains?)? The conclusion is: "butter dog your argument just got shot out of the sky, youre the one who is funny".
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:22:00 - [225] Originally by: Hackett /me imagines Butter Dog sitting at his keyboard with his face purple, fists shaking in impotent rage.... Hehe. Well, I enjoy the forum, and I love the fact BoB are so easy to wind up. Do I like ASCN? Not really. They need someone to shake them up. But my God, I prefer them to you guys. You are so smacktardy and disrespectful to others, I really fail to see why you bother posting on a public forum if you cannot take a bit of constructive criticism from outside observers. If you don't want people who are not involved to comment, keep your circle-jerks on your private forum.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:23:00 - [226] Originally by: Louisa Torres We are not a PvP alliance. We are not an industrial alliance. We are BoB. There is no part of this game we do not play. This is the sort of meaningless BoB post which makes me smile. Yeah, because no other alliance in EVE PvPs and has an industrial backbone
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:26:00 - [227] Originally by: Louisa Torres there is only one person here spending more time spewing garbage on the forums, and as is quite obvious - that isn't us. I spend about 1 hour a day browsing the forums. Can't say the same for some members of your alliance.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:28:00 - [228] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres there is only one person here spending more time spewing garbage on the forums, and as is quite obvious - that isn't us. I spend about 1 hour a day browsing the forums. Can't say the same for some members of your alliance. Is that total accumulated time? Because anybody that reads these forums knows you post continuous drivel across at least 5 hours of every day.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:29:00 - [229] Edited by: Avon on 14/10/2006 11:33:05 Butter Dog, you really need to chill out a little and stop trying to execute a rather poor point scoring exercise. Let's just sum it up right here. BoB > You You = Bitter There. Now, if you would like to disprove that, you can do it in one of two ways. Either: a/ Defeat BoB or b/ Stop posting. Until you actually manage to do something in game to give you an ounce of credibility, you will have to expect that people may not give your words the weight you feel they deserve. I know that is frustrating for you, but ultimately here, in this part of the forums, you are a nobody. Harsh, but true. Anyway, thanks for your interest in our alliance, and spending so much of your valuable time expressing that interest. When you have something valuable, insightful, or factual to say, please hurry back. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:29:00 - [230] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres We are not a PvP alliance. We are not an industrial alliance. We are BoB. There is no part of this game we do not play. This is the sort of meaningless BoB post which makes me smile. Yeah, because no other alliance in EVE PvPs and has an industrial backbone Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were either one or the other, according to Bitter Dog? Make up your mind please, are we attacking an industrial alliance, a pvp alliance, or is it just a 0.0 alliance?
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:29:00 - [231] Originally by: Butter Dog Hehe. Well, I enjoy the forum, and I love the fact BoB are so easy to wind up. Do I like ASCN? Not really. They need someone to shake them up.. If posting tough on the forums to wind someone more successfull up is your way to "winning eve" go ahead. For those who play the game via the client it doesnt matter much if you "showed them" on the forums. Afterall they can login and do something about it. You on the otherhand can spit bollox about bob all day but we both know u cant challenge them or defeat them. You know the saying about dogs barking and not biting etc...
Cmd Woodlouse Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:31:00 - [232] Originally by: Eskalin can i be emo if i post? No. The only real EMO in here is mezOr! -------------------------------- Spain ftw!
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:31:00 - [233] Edited by: Kcel Chim on 14/10/2006 11:31:50 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres there is only one person here spending more time spewing garbage on the forums, and as is quite obvious - that isn't us. I spend about 1 hour a day browsing the forums. Can't say the same for some members of your alliance. you started today atleast at 9.49 which is 1 page back, now its 11.30. Lying anyone ?
Hackett Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:35:00 - [234] Edited by: Hackett on 14/10/2006 11:35:06 Originally by: Butter Dog If you don't want people who are not involved to comment, keep your circle-jerks on your private forum. On the contrary please continue - you are providing me with no end of amusement. And I lol at your chars haircut everytime I see it :P http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9813/evolhackett6ln.gif Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:36:00 - [235] Originally by: Butter Dog I WILL NEVER LEARN TO PUT MORE QUOTES THEN ONE IN TO SINGLE POST. ANYBODY HAVE CURE FOR THAT?.....hmm...pardon me...I PREFER tO SPAM RANDOMLY IF YOU SEE ME WHINING OR NERVOUS THEN THERE ARE IDIOTS NEAR BY
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:36:00 - [236] Originally by: Butter Dog I understand perfectly well that you have a well developed industrial side to your alliance. That is pretty common knowledge. However, what is it you are claiming here? Are you a PvP alliance by nature or not? How would you class ASCN? You see, its really quite simple. You go after a fat, mainly industrial target where good kill/loss ratios are virtually guarenteed. You then boast about kill/loss ratios LIKE ITS A SUPRISE. This is the result everyone, even ASCN, expected. So to claim otherwise is laughable. There really is no point in having any kind of serious discussion with some people (namely you at the moment Butter Dog). Everyone we fight has an excuse, and every time we fight there's a reason why our success should really be seen as a failure. It really is getting ridiculous. As an alliance, we got to the point where we wanted a real fight, something of epic proportions for us and the community as a whole to get into. We pick the largest alliance in game, the most highly defended space, and an alliance that has one of the largest industrial engines in existance. An alliance that steam rolled another alliance out of two regions in a matter of days. Then... We get smacked for picking that target because apparently it's a "fat, mainly industrial target". There are plenty of characters on both sides of this war, many which I've had the pleasure of chatting (or arguing) with over the last couple of weeks. I've honestly enjoyed the great social experiment that is EVE as much as I have the fighting, except for one particular serial troll. I'm done reading your worthless posts. When we see you down here on the frontline, sharing some of your apparently limitless knowledge on EVE warfare with ASCN, perhaps we can take you seriously. Your signature is inappropriate ( copyrighted material). - Tirg ^^ Might want to confirm that chief.
Ficti0n FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:36:00 - [237] Edited by: Ficti0n on 14/10/2006 11:36:16 Come on and jump in my car. Its way too far to walk on your own.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:38:00 - [238] Edited by: Avon on 14/10/2006 11:40:20 Originally by: Ab Initio When we see you down here on the frontline, sharing some of your apparently limitless knowledge on EVE warfare with ASCN, perhaps we can take you seriously. Jeez, that is harsh. ASCN have enough problems without BD lending a helping hand. I know they need some new FC's, but not even I'd wish BD on them. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Duke Kell Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:51:00 - [239] Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: Butter Dog I WILL NEVER LEARN TO PUT MORE QUOTES THEN ONE IN TO SINGLE POST. ANYBODY HAVE CURE FOR THAT?.....hmm...pardon me...I PREFER tO SPAM RANDOMLY dude,just open a second browser, and copy and pase the texts in the white box once you quote someone, paste everything back on the main browser. Btw this is Roxanna Kell.
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.10.14 11:55:00 - [240] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres We are not a PvP alliance. We are not an industrial alliance. We are BoB. There is no part of this game we do not play. This is the sort of meaningless BoB post which makes me smile. Yeah, because no other alliance in EVE PvPs and has an industrial backbone The post wasn't meaningless BD, you just did NOT understand it and that made me smile(once again). Bob does NOT claim/think to be a pure/the_best pvp alliance. NOR do they claim/think to be a pure/the_best industrial alliance. They claim/think they are taking part in EVERY part of this game(pvp, inudstrial, whorums...) and they also claim to be "the best overall alliance". Can hardly say if they are the best. Would be hard to measure even if you had indepth knowledge about all the big players. BUT denying the fact that BoB is active in all parts of this game is something which just makes you look retarded. And that they are one of the stronger/strongest alliances out there is out of discussion as well in my opinion. Same goes for ASCN btw. Interesting times ahead. ASCN should thank BoB for trimming their deadweight to be honest. After they woke up, opened their eyes, stopped blaming everyone else for their own incompetence.... and saved their home that is. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:04:00 - [241] Originally by: Jackkal And bob needs to admitt they can't handle ascn solo. I heard from a contact in ascn thet bob has be helping them now. bob placed a pos in ASCN space. ASCN had its shield down to 20% before DT. BE has been spotted at the pos with a deep space transport to help supply it or bring in more equipment. hahahahahahahahhahaha HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH omg, there's not enough h's or a's in the world for that statement. True comedy gold.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:05:00 - [242] Oh, and fyi - the pos shields didn't go below 20%. They got to 27.5% and ASCN ran off after losing a moros. Facts > heresy.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:05:00 - [243] Originally by: Jackkal And bob needs to admitt they can't handle ascn solo. I heard from a contact in ascn thet bob has be helping them now. bob placed a pos in ASCN space. ASCN had its shield down to 20% before DT. BE has been spotted at the pos with a deep space transport to help supply it or bring in more equipment. Your contact in ASCN lied to you I'm afraid. For starters, 20% is below the requirement for reinforced, and it definitely isn't in reinforced. That 'attack' was the fight where we lost some inties and recons, and they lost a dread. There other two dreads jumped out of system before finishing the job. As for BE.. What the? You're lucky anyone has even bothered giving you a straight answer with that comment. Your signature is inappropriate ( copyrighted material). - Tirg ^^ Might want to confirm that chief.
hitech redneck Digital Mind Crimes	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:08:00 - [244] Edited by: hitech redneck on 14/10/2006 12:10:16 Edited by: hitech redneck on 14/10/2006 12:09:47 Never mind
Hackett Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:11:00 - [245] Originally by: hitech redneck Edited by: hitech redneck on 14/10/2006 12:09:47 Never mind i can't lowwer myelf to post in anymore bob threads. Good. Oh btw u be sure to let me know where our capital fleet is if u see it - i think I left my mobile and wallet with it when I was drunk. http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9813/evolhackett6ln.gif Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:11:00 - [246] Edited by: Ab Initio on 14/10/2006 12:12:00 Originally by: hitech redneck Where is BOB's feared capital fleet. ASCN is not afraid to loose any as it would apear bob is. Through out this entire battle to date, BoB has never actually tried to claim sov. on any ASCN space. We were (and still are) quite happy just to shoot at them. Why rush things when we're having fun :) As for the 'feared capital fleet'. We've already killed 13 large ASCN pos, and we didn't do it with inties. Just because they're not on showing up on ASCN killboards, doesn't mean they aren't being used. EDIT: And with all those ASCN capital losses, I believe they've killed 2 small POS. Your signature is inappropriate ( copyrighted material). - Tirg ^^ Might want to confirm that chief.
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:11:00 - [247] Interesting developments. We have reached a new low and hired Burn Eden in the war against ASCN. We obviously cannot do it on our own.* *) According to ASCN High Command
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:13:00 - [248] Originally by: Jackkal Edited by: Jackkal on 14/10/2006 12:04:18 I heard from a contact in ascn that bob has be helping them now. bob placed a pos in ASCN space. ASCN had its shield down to 20% before DT. BE has been spotted at the pos with a deep space transport to help supply it or bring in more equipment. ROFL, if u knew anything about anything... Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:14:00 - [249] Edited by: DTee on 14/10/2006 12:17:01 Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Jackkal And bob needs to admitt they can't handle ascn solo. I heard from a contact in ascn thet bob has be helping them now. bob placed a pos in ASCN space. ASCN had its shield down to 20% before DT. BE has been spotted at the pos with a deep space transport to help supply it or bring in more equipment. hahahahahahahahhahaha HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH omg, there's not enough h's or a's in the world for that statement. True comedy gold. Signed, certain people really need to stop posting such mindless drivel.
Jackkal Order of Melekel	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:30:00 - [250] Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 14/10/2006 12:17:01 Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Jackkal And bob needs to admitt they can't handle ascn solo. I heard from a contact in ascn thet bob has be helping them now. bob placed a pos in ASCN space. ASCN had its shield down to 20% before DT. BE has been spotted at the pos with a deep space transport to help supply it or bring in more equipment. hahahahahahahahhahaha HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH omg, there's not enough h's or a's in the world for that statement. True comedy gold. Signed, certain people really need to stop posting such mindless drivel. and what do you call 99% of the bob posts.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:31:00 - [251] Edited by: Butter Dog on 14/10/2006 12:32:16 Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 14/10/2006 11:33:05 Butter Dog, you really need to chill out a little and stop trying to execute a rather poor point scoring exercise. Let's just sum it up right here. BoB > You You = Bitter There. Now, if you would like to disprove that, you can do it in one of two ways. Either: a/ Defeat BoB or b/ Stop posting. Until you actually manage to do something in game to give you an ounce of credibility, you will have to expect that people may not give your words the weight you feel they deserve. I know that is frustrating for you, but ultimately here, in this part of the forums, you are a nobody. Harsh, but true. Anyway, thanks for your interest in our alliance, and spending so much of your valuable time expressing that interest. When you have something valuable, insightful, or factual to say, please hurry back. I'm not quite sure I understand the point of this post. Did I, at any point, claim that I, in a three man alt corp, am somehow superior to your alliance? I think not. If it makes you feel better to hear it: Yes, you are collectively far stronger, richer, better at PvP than I on my own will ever be. Happy now I've stroked your epeen? But that isnt the point of my posts, nor the reason I dislike elements of your alliance. The reason is simple: Your attitude. You post in a public forum, then mass flame anyone outside your alliance who dares to so much pass comment. You guys really need to get over yourselves. You are nothing special. I'm sure having me interject your public circle-jerks and smackfests with a dose of reality is annoying. The amount of flames directed at me is surely proof of this, you claim not to care what I or anyone else thinks... then why invest so much time flaming me and anyone else who so much as dares to 'break the circle'? You're not the best. You never will be. And thats the truth you guys can't get over. PS - and yes, mr epeen, I'm not the best either... nor have I ever claimed to be, and nor will I ever be
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:47:00 - [252] Originally by: Butter Dog You're not the best. You never will be. And thats the truth you guys can't get over. Actually, we are. In EvE, anyway. And until someone better comes along (hopefully it will happen eventually) we shall continue to act as our position allows. We don't do it in RL, thank god for the inet, hey?
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:52:00 - [253] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog You're not the best. You never will be. And thats the truth you guys can't get over. Actually, we are. In EvE, anyway. And until someone better comes along (hopefully it will happen eventually) we shall continue to act as our position allows. We don't do it in RL, thank god for the inet, hey? It pretty easy to argue that D2 are better than you are right now. Industrial backbone, kill/loss, respectful yet focused leadership... by whatever measure you use, D2 come out on top... though of course its all a matter of subjective opinion.
Duke Kell Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:57:00 - [254] Roxanna kell here. so now BE fuels BOB's POS?
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 12:59:00 - [255] Originally by: Butter Dog It pretty easy to argue that D2 are better than you are right now. Industrial backbone, kill/loss, respectful yet focused leadership... by whatever measure you use, D2 come out on top... though of course its all a matter of subjective opinion. Apparantly it's a matter of VERY subjective opinion. Your signature is inappropriate ( copyrighted material). - Tirg ^^ Might want to confirm that chief.
jernej Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.14 13:00:00 - [256] Originally by: Butter Dog It pretty easy to argue that D2 are better than you are right now. Industrial backbone, kill/loss, respectful yet focused leadership... by whatever measure you use, D2 come out on top... though of course its all a matter of subjective opinion. LOL
BadManEdmundo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 13:05:00 - [257] Originally by: Butter Dog It pretty easy to argue that D2 are better than you are right now. Industrial backbone, kill/loss, respectful yet focused leadership... by whatever measure you use, D2 come out on top... though of course its all a matter of subjective opinion. Are you going to explain point for point how they are better then us in the statement you just made?
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 13:06:00 - [258] Originally by: Butter Dog ...though of course its all a matter of subjective opinion. Let's put it this way, BD. How many times has D2 ever attacked bob home systems? How many times has BoB roamed and road tripped to d2, in its various guises, and "brought it"? You can subject that to any test you wish.
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 13:12:00 - [259] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Butter Dog You're not the best. You never will be. And thats the truth you guys can't get over. Actually, we are. In EvE, anyway. And until someone better comes along (hopefully it will happen eventually) we shall continue to act as our position allows. We don't do it in RL, thank god for the inet, hey? It pretty easy to argue that D2 are better than you are right now. Industrial backbone, kill/loss, respectful yet focused leadership... by whatever measure you use, D2 come out on top... though of course its all a matter of subjective opinion. I'll put nova's industrial output up against D2 anytime and we'd probably win. As for leadership, being respectful gains you nothing in war in this game so yeah they can be respectful all they like, whatever. Kill loss ratios? Now you could just go check the respective killboards but i don't think you would as it would destroy your arguement here. Sorry man your opinions don't count for ****. I gotta congratulate you though. I've not even seen dian spam as many stupid posts on this forum in the space of one hour. Well done mate there's some people from the guinness book of records over here to chat to you.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 13:13:00 - [260] Originally by: Butter Dog It pretty easy to argue that D2 are better than you are right now. Industrial backbone, kill/loss, respectful yet focused leadership... by whatever measure you use, D2 come out on top... though of course its all a matter of subjective opinion. Butter cup or bitter dog or what ever u r , seriously are u that bored and have nothing constructive to post except this blatent nonesense u keep doing? You are neither part of the involved parties and u keep assuming stuff and cheer lead for any entity thats aginst BOB just coz u think this will wind us up ? BOB achievements have been proven while u have nothing but whine whine whine and then u call us smack tards while ur the one who is smacking 24/7 with nothing but total ill founded crap , dude give it a rest u only succeed in making urself look more of a fool by every post u make . "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 13:13:00 - [261] Originally by: BadManEdmundo Originally by: Butter Dog It pretty easy to argue that D2 are better than you are right now. Industrial backbone, kill/loss, respectful yet focused leadership... by whatever measure you use, D2 come out on top... though of course its all a matter of subjective opinion. Are you going to explain point for point how they are better then us in the statement you just made? If you like, sure. 1) In absorbing TRUST they massively strengthened their industrial and T2 backbone 2) Their PvP corporations have a kill/loss ratios against you which is nothing short of very impressive 3) They are generally respectful in their forum conduct and in interaction with those outside their alliance 4) Their leadership is widely recognised as some of the strongest in-game It is of course true, as has been pointed out, that D2 have not enjoyed a roadtrip into your space as yet. Though the last time you did that to them, you left having lost more than you killed. Yes, I know it was a 'roadtrip' and you never intended to stay. But you only went up their because they were playing with ASCN. When they came back, you ran home. Now, I'm not saying for definate that D2 ARE the best. Not at all. I'm just saying that its possible to argue that they are better than you, and to do so fairly convincingly.
Forskin Head Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.10.14 13:15:00 - [262] I have something constructive to say! BoB Smells like the cheese around my head Fine Cheese Producer
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 13:15:00 - [263] Originally by: Coranor I'll put nova's industrial output up against D2 anytime and we'd probably win. As for leadership, being respectful gains you nothing in war in this game so yeah they can be respectful all they like, whatever. Kill loss ratios? Now you could just go check the respective killboards but i don't think you would as it would destroy your arguement here. Sorry man your opinions don't count for ****. I gotta congratulate you though. I've not even seen dian spam as many stupid posts on this forum in the space of one hour. Well done mate there's some people from the guinness book of records over here to chat to you. Well, you can always refer to your own killboard for evidence of how effective their PvP corporations are against your alliance. No need for me to collect the data for you.
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 13:25:00 - [264] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Coranor I'll put nova's industrial output up against D2 anytime and we'd probably win. As for leadership, being respectful gains you nothing in war in this game so yeah they can be respectful all they like, whatever. Kill loss ratios? Now you could just go check the respective killboards but i don't think you would as it would destroy your arguement here. Sorry man your opinions don't count for ****. I gotta congratulate you though. I've not even seen dian spam as many stupid posts on this forum in the space of one hour. Well done mate there's some people from the guinness book of records over here to chat to you. Well, you can always refer to your own killboard for evidence of how effective their PvP corporations are against your alliance. No need for me to collect the data for you. corp versus alliance killstats mean nothing as they're counted up differently
Duke Kell Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.14 13:27:00 - [265] Roxanna kell here. BD, D2 are good pvpers, but you cant compare unless there is a full out war. untill than Kill:death ratio unless by a huge margin doesnt prove a thing. some of those kills were 1v1 some were 10 vs 5 some were 4 ves39 some were 1 vs 60. A Massive war is the only True Decider...
BadManEdmundo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 13:27:00 - [266] Originally by: Butter Dog 1) In absorbing TRUST they massively strengthened their industrial and T2 backbone And how can you know they're industrial output compared to BoB's industrial output? I think thatÆs the million dollar question here. Originally by: Butter Dog 2) Their PvP corporations have a kill/loss ratios against you which is nothing short of very impressive What complete and utter trollop, please please please post links on how you came to that conclusion, you can because ours and D2's Killboards are both public for those kind of stats. Originally by: Butter Dog 3) They are generally respectful in their forum conduct and in interaction with those outside their alliance Utter trollop again, most of D2 can only speak German, and with it being an English board don't post much (I am referring to the general player here), but they shoot their mouth off on many a German forum, I have no idea if the links can be posted. Originally by: Butter Dog 4) Their leadership is widely recognised as some of the strongest in-game Well erm, yeah ok, and BoB's isn't? Anyone who leads a successful alliance can be respected for achieving that. Do you respect Molle, Blackligh, Galavet an Thol? Note, you don't have to like someone to have respect for them. Originally by: Butter Dog Though the last time you did that to them, you left having lost more than you killed. Yes, I know it was a 'roadtrip' and you never intended to stay. But you only went up their because they were playing with ASCN. When they came back, you ran home. DonÆt know why IÆm even justifying this with an answer The servers then were far worse then they're current state, but we still took a station, had a good ol' slap about with the locals, then when it was time for new things to be done we returned home, so to say 'we ran home when they came back' is utter *******s.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 13:27:00 - [267] Edited by: Ab Initio on 14/10/2006 13:30:01 Originally by: Butter Dog Well, you can always refer to your own killboard for evidence of how effective their PvP corporations are against your alliance. No need for me to collect the data for you. We've had this entire discussion before (and you didn't respond to my explanation last time either). The reason the stats look so good, is because you seem to have no grasp of mathematics. You cannot compare corp vs alliance stats, it just doesn't work. EG: 100 BoB vs 99 D2 and 1 BD. BD is involved in 10 kills before he and the rest of the fleet is wiped out. BD now has a 10:1 kill ratio against BoB, even though the whole of his fleet was wiped out and only 10 BoB died. Corp vs alliance numbers DO NOT WORK. Your signature is inappropriate ( copyrighted material). - Tirg ^^ Might want to confirm that chief.
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 13:40:00 - [268] 4) Their leadership is widely recognised as some of the strongest in-game thats funny, because their leadership is exactly their problem these days. 2 of the oldtime G corps left D2 because of the leadership problems, they are calling themselves names there and its an entire cluster****. thats what i got from varius d2 members that joined us btw, and from the german eo forums - where d2 shows an entire different bevaviur then here btw. now im not sure why were here discussing bout d2, but hey, i lvoe the oldschool eo forum flamings, its exactly what u need when bashing enemie poses :P - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 13:41:00 - [269] always fun waking up and reading 7 pages of butter dog comedy.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 14:01:00 - [270] Butter Dog, if you don't believe anything the rest of BoB says then at least be lucid enough to take it from me when I saw that you clearly lack alot of information as to what BoB actually is. Please, don't compare two alliances if you know too little to do it. Old blog
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.10.14 14:22:00 - [271] At least (unlike d2) bob doesn't nap everyone within 100 jumps anymore BD. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.14 14:29:00 - [272] Edited by: DeadDuck on 14/10/2006 14:32:03 Edited by: DeadDuck on 14/10/2006 14:29:59 Originally by: End Yourself At least (unlike d2) bob doesn't nap everyone within 100 jumps anymore BD. Oi the north is napped because the ones that didnt want D2+Allies friendship ended dead or tottaly defeated ... thats 8 alliances since April/2006 ...
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.10.14 14:30:00 - [273] Originally by: Butter Dog 3) They are generally respectful in their forum conduct and in interaction with those outside their alliance I see you haven't met Soaralba, arjun, RaYmEn and Fuffel. --------------------
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 14:33:00 - [274] Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 14/10/2006 14:32:03 Edited by: DeadDuck on 14/10/2006 14:29:59 Originally by: End Yourself At least (unlike d2) bob doesn't nap everyone within 100 jumps anymore BD. Oi the north is napped because the ones that didnt want D2+Allies friendship ended dead or tottaly defeated ... thats 8 alliances since April/2006 ... that still doesent change the fact that D2 is napped with everyone... and well, napping everyone and then bandwagoning the rest doesent make it better now does it? Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.10.14 14:33:00 - [275] Edited by: End Yourself on 14/10/2006 14:34:10 Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 14/10/2006 14:29:59 Originally by: End Yourself At least (unlike d2) bob doesn't nap everyone within 100 jumps anymore BD. Oi wise guy the north is napped because the ones that didnt want D2+Allies friendship ended dead or tottaly defeated ... thats 8 alliances since April/2006 ... Bandwaggon vs. small-medium sized alliances and proud of it? edit: rofl at editing out the "wise guy" comment --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Ashen Brarn Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 14:44:00 - [276] Originally by: Butter Dog This is the sort of meaningless BoB post which makes me smile. Yeah, because no other alliance in EVE PvPs and has an industrial backbone I don't like your attitude, son. You and your corp, you're nothing, and not counting the belts around planet 1 in jita, you have no bearing at all in EVE, you have no impact in your corp, the game, these forums, the universe nor anywhere else. I understand you'll be overjoyed at me actually taking the time to respond to your idiot post. Rest assured that the Eve public, despite you thinking you're some kind of Mr. White Knight Shakespeare of the community, most are completely skimming your ignorant and repetitive posts. You can continue to try to debate your half-baked conspiracies and other mind-numbingly boring and redundant points, continuing to believe that you're changing minds, or you can realise that your intellectual ****ery is astonishingly dull, with blatent trolls purposely baiting honest BoB members that are actually fighting the war on the frontline. Your knowledge is as accurate as some 2-bit astrologer, divining fish gut readings from Jita. Please cease your incessant and pointless drivel, the Eve community begs you to simply end yourself. Regards, Your betters, <BOB> ---
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.14 14:50:00 - [277] Originally by: End Yourself edit: rofl at editing out the "wise guy" comment Didn't want to sound rude
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.10.14 15:15:00 - [278] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: End Yourself edit: rofl at editing out the "wise guy" comment Didn't want to sound rude guessed that :) but let's stop talking about d2 for a while to get back on topic: cyvok+friends vs. quakekid molle via WoW via southpark disclaimer: not really on topic either but was the thread i was whoring while watching it and i gave my best to spin it to be on topic. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.14 15:34:00 - [279] Edited by: VonKaplanek III on 14/10/2006 15:43:40 /emote deletes post Must refrain from getting suckered into pointless forum garbage...
Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 15:41:00 - [280] Originally by: Butter Dog 1) In absorbing TRUST they massively strengthened their industrial and T2 backbone And how much you know about BoB's industrial backbone? Obviously nothing. Be quiet. Quote: 2) Their PvP corporations have a kill/loss ratios against you which is nothing short of very impressive Is it hard to understand that comparing corps to alliances is a bit false logic? Keep on trying spindoctor. Quote: 3) They are generally respectful in their forum conduct and in interaction with those outside their alliance Show's how noob you are and know nothing. Quote: 4) Their leadership is widely recognised as some of the strongest in-game Yeah, their leadership is quite strong. I've seen way better tho. Quote: Though the last time you did that to them, you left having lost more than you killed. Yes, I know it was a 'roadtrip' and you never intended to stay. But you only went up their because they were playing with ASCN. When they came back, you ran home. Again, you seem to know nothing. You are welome to have your opinion tho. Quote: Now, I'm not saying for definate that D2 ARE the best. Not at all. I'm just saying that its possible to argue that they are better than you, and to do so fairly convincingly. You can try to argue, you are doing bad so far tho. ding ding next round -- Nobody stays behind
BOldMan Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 15:48:00 - [281] Please dont feed trolls. I hope you can see how he is poisoning this forum with hate (why he follow every bob topic), ignorance (why is a nobody ingame char judgeing other 10k chars) and bitter (look how bring RL issues in a internet game). Please again, let him vanish in darkness and post about this fights and events in south. Everybody will recall the events from game not acid remarks of a noone char from empire. Thanks for playing, no thanks for your annoying posts.
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 15:50:00 - [282] I'd like to inform Butter Dog that his village is looking for him. That is all. >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Halca Candy Hearts	Posted - 2006.10.14 17:08:00 - [283] Originally by: BOldMan Please dont feed trolls. I hope you can see how he is poisoning this forum with hate (why he follow every bob topic), ignorance (why is a nobody ingame char judgeing other 10k chars) and bitter (look how bring RL issues in a internet game). The irony of these statements coming from someone in BoB made me laugh out loud. -Halca out ^.^
liquidism Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.14 17:13:00 - [284] Originally by: BadManEdmundo Originally by: Butter Dog 1) In absorbing TRUST they massively strengthened their industrial and T2 backbone And how can you know they're industrial output compared to BoB's industrial output? I think thatÆs the million dollar question here. liq: you cant. Originally by: Butter Dog 2) Their PvP corporations have a kill/loss ratios against you which is nothing short of very impressive What complete and utter trollop, please please please post links on how you came to that conclusion, you can because ours and D2's Killboards are both public for those kind of stats. liq: stats mean nothing, they are just to feed the trolls and encourage general amusement Originally by: Butter Dog 3) They are generally respectful in their forum conduct and in interaction with those outside their alliance Utter trollop again, most of D2 can only speak German, and with it being an English board don't post much (I am referring to the general player here), but they shoot their mouth off on many a German forum, I have no idea if the links can be posted. liq: thats true but i can still say "die you smelling hobbit, die" right? Originally by: Butter Dog 4) Their leadership is widely recognised as some of the strongest in-game Well erm, yeah ok, and BoB's isn't? Anyone who leads a successful alliance can be respected for achieving that. Do you respect Molle, Blackligh, Galavet an Thol? Note, you don't have to like someone to have respect for them. liq: we do a good job. Originally by: Butter Dog Though the last time you did that to them, you left having lost more than you killed. Yes, I know it was a 'roadtrip' and you never intended to stay. But you only went up their because they were playing with ASCN. When they came back, you ran home. DonÆt know why IÆm even justifying this with an answer The servers then were far worse then they're current state, but we still took a station, had a good ol' slap about with the locals, then when it was time for new things to be done we returned home, so to say 'we ran home when they came back' is utter *******s. liq: hmm yeah but plz dont pat yourself on the back too hard for it. almost every guy doing pvp was down south and you got a lot of easy carebear kills. this was no real invasion from your side so it wasnt too hard to 'defend' the homespace when the enemy was just setup for a roadtrip to annoy us.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:09:00 - [285] I really don't get the big deal of D2 coming down south ruffling so many feathers tbh. Just more red for me to shoot when the opportunity arises, and same for them at a guesstimate. They're sick of POS wars which is fair enough, and want some old fashioned shooty shooty. BoB haven't actually headed into D2 (then [G]) space whilst they were on campaign, we actually went to IRON space, but they're well known allies. We went on a road trip for some fun whilst they were on campaign, and i think they're re-paying the compliment when they hit our space, and from what i've seen the last week or so they've headed to AXE space, ASCN space, gone to play with FIX and having an all round 'D2 tour of the Southern Circuit 2006'. I've already made public that i don't like they're NAP everything policy, apart from a few small-med alliance that didn't pay homage to them so they uber-blobbed them, but that's really none of my business. It's not in my space, or anything to do with me, and i don't pay their fee's so i can't really tell them how to play the game; it's just against my personal gaming ethos, and well, these forums are about corps & alliances the few trips i've made from delve to period basis to foutnain, the last few weeks have really given me that feeling back when i first hit 0.0 of having to have your wits about you every step of the way to survive and not get blown to ickle bity bits. I've friendly cans, D2 cans, ASCN cans littered all over the gates, and tbh, that just brings a smile to my face everytime. Looks like people are having a ball! I know i am. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:22:00 - [286] Originally by: Rift Scorn I've friendly cans, D2 cans, ASCN cans littered all over the gates, and tbh, that just brings a smile to my face everytime. Looks like people are having a ball! I know i am. Yeah, all that NPCing at gates brings a smile of joy to everyones hearts. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Pottsey Gallente Acme Shipping Inc	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:25:00 - [287] ôWe are not a PvP alliance. We are not an industrial alliance. We are BoB. There is no part of this game we do not play.ö Playing devils advocate here I have never seen Bob do any archaeology or hacking. Not saying you donÆt do it but I spend most of my time at the major digs sites and have never seen bob doing archaeology. Also you donÆt have a Titan in the field. 3 areas of gameplay bob possible donÆt do. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:35:00 - [288] Speaking for Evolution I can say that we have several members who engage regularly in both archeology and hacking. With regard to the titan, if you regard a titan as "a distinct aspect of eve play" rather than simply part of the capital ship aspect, then i guess within that set of parameters you could say we currently do not. However, BoB engages in PvP, PvE, production, research, exploration and plays the markets via trade. .... Real men use blasters
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:37:00 - [289] Edited by: MacDuncan on 14/10/2006 18:38:02 Originally by: Pottsey ôWe are not a PvP alliance. We are not an industrial alliance. We are BoB. There is no part of this game we do not play.ö Playing devils advocate here I have never seen Bob do any archaeology or hacking. Not saying you donÆt do it but I spend most of my time at the major digs sites and have never seen bob doing archaeology. Also you donÆt have a Titan in the field. 3 areas of gameplay bob possible donÆt do. Oh....i've seen already some Bobitse carebearing/missionrunning in former times... Edit: btw...how is it possible for several ASCN BS killed by dreads only?? --
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:48:00 - [290] They thought that moving outside the shields of a beseiged POS to shoot at the dreads was a good idea. Before they were introduced to Mr Citadel Torpedo. .... Real men use blasters
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:52:00 - [291] Lol....do they still follow into the forcefield once fired? --
aeti Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:57:00 - [292] Originally by: MacDuncan Lol....do they still follow into the forcefield once fired? yes
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:01:00 - [293] Originally by: MacDuncan Lol....do they still follow into the forcefield once fired? Yeah. Though I have seen them not on occasion. I dont know the game mechanic though that prevents you from getting hit by them. Better now Mr. Mod? WELCOME BACK MGRL!
hothead Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:02:00 - [294] ASCN should pay MC whatever it takes and get them in to squish some BOB because so far this fight in kill/loss ratio is one sided... the question is will MC fight BOB ?? Now BOB love to pvp and well seeing as they are making mince meat of the ASCN forces would they fare better against a more PVP oreintated force like MC... Im sure both sides would love to fight each other at some point to see who is the best of the best etc.......maybe now is that time..... cmon i bet everyone in eve wants to see the fight of all fights.... for middle earth :P P.s i like everyone equally...hehehe
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:03:00 - [295] Originally by: Hectic Originally by: MacDuncan Lol....do they still follow into the forcefield once fired? Yeah. Though I have seen them not on occasion. I dont know the game mechanic though that prevents you from getting hit by them. Warpout? --
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:04:00 - [296] Edited by: LUKEC on 14/10/2006 19:05:12 Originally by: MacDuncan Lol....do they still follow into the forcefield once fired? I belive some tested armor tanks on their battleships sitting 100+km away,sitting still or turning around into force field... while dreads were in siege mode... again, not healthy. Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:26:00 - [297] Edited by: Trooper B99 on 14/10/2006 19:27:19 Originally by: hothead ASCN should pay MC whatever it takes and get them in to squish some BOB because so far this fight in kill/loss ratio is one sided... Unfortunatley the MC is currently on contract at this time. Afterwards? Who knows. However, there are a number of other Mercenary corporations and organisations who I am sure could be contracted instead. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:30:00 - [298] Originally by: hothead ASCN should pay MC whatever it takes and get them in to squish some BOB because so far this fight in kill/loss ratio is one sided... the question is will MC fight BOB ?? Now BOB love to pvp and well seeing as they are making mince meat of the ASCN forces would they fare better against a more PVP oreintated force like MC... Im sure both sides would love to fight each other at some point to see who is the best of the best etc.......maybe now is that time..... cmon i bet everyone in eve wants to see the fight of all fights.... for middle earth :P P.s i like everyone equally...hehehe We were chasing sha karn in fwst yesterday, one of them said in local "there are 10 in pr- aswell" (ad lib), to which they got the reply: "Yep, most of those are hostile aswell, IT'S BRILLIANT!" So far the number of hostiles is great, it's the running, logging and cowardice that is the shame. On that note, ASCN no longer has any grounds to berate or otherwise criticise BE for their tactics, for imitation surely is the best form of flattery.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:40:00 - [299] Originally by: Cyleth And how much you know about BoB's industrial backbone? Obviously nothing. Be quiet. A lot more than you clearly realise ;) btw, to the stereotypical BoB guy who came in and posted 'you and your corp mean nothing' etc... well, I've been saying that myself all along. Or did you expect a three man alt corp to claim one of the regions, perhaps?
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:43:00 - [300] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh However, BoB engages in PvP, PvE, production, research, exploration and plays the markets via trade. Thats nothing special, you know. Name one major alliance who doesn't do all those things.
hothead Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:48:00 - [301] Originally by: Trooper B99 Edited by: Trooper B99 on 14/10/2006 19:27:19 Originally by: hothead ASCN should pay MC whatever it takes and get them in to squish some BOB because so far this fight in kill/loss ratio is one sided... Unfortunatley the MC is currently on contract at this time. Afterwards? Who knows. However, there are a number of other Mercenary corporations and organisations who I am sure could be contracted instead. yes but if your gonna pay for the service then i personally would want the best and time and time again you have proved that...maybe once your contract is up... ASCN leaders should build the bridges that have been burnt and swallow there pride and do what is needed now . before it is too late... who knows perhaps BOB are just blowing **** up for fun and aint even interested in ascn space,... anyone know who killed JFK?? hehe
Pramas	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:59:00 - [302] Originally by: hothead anyone know who killed JFK?? hehe It was colonel Mustard in the kitchen with a lead pipe
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 20:11:00 - [303] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Fi T'Zeh However, BoB engages in PvP, PvE, production, research, exploration and plays the markets via trade. Thats nothing special, you know. Name one major alliance who doesn't do all those things. I was responding to Pottsey who queried the statement that "there is no part of this game that bob does not play." .... Real men use blasters
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.14 20:37:00 - [304] Edited by: Audrea on 14/10/2006 20:38:34 Originally by: Bitter Dog If you want to brag about kill/loss, go on the warpath with D2 or AAA. Then, you would have a good reason to brag. As it is, you don't. It another Goon/Huzzah/Aridia locals type ego-boosting slaughter. If you want a well done, you've come to the wrong place. No-one outside your own alliance is impressed this time. lol your posts are mostly funny and amusing, but this one is blatant lies and trying to twist facts to fit into your 'theories'. BoB engaged all the above entities in one of their life spans: D2 as G Alliance, AAA as Stain- Alliance (EDIT: Admittedly its not exactly same alliance, but pvp abilites are similiar I would think). Huzzah Federation?? lol, Why are you trying to berate that alliance and claim it was poor industrial alliance too?!? Who the hell are you? Were you there when we fought BoB? -nope, go back to your hole. I am sure that if you ask the rest of BoB, they will tell you that we fought very well, not like 'industrial alliance' Huzzah Federation had a better kill/death ratio than ASCN has now, I believe (certainly not 70/1 BS looses) And all the crap you say about pvp alliance.. just lol. I remember in last months how many times ASCN was mentioned among the big alliances, they sure enjoyed being mentioned on that list. Now they are just poor pityful industrial alliance, when time comes to stand up to that 'reputation' they enjoyed so much? You also say you spend barly hour on the forums, what a blatant lie, which can easily be exposed. The following is the statistics of posting habits for Bitter Dog, taken from Eve-Search.com (relevant excerpts): Posts: 1812 Average: 4,6 posts/day Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions 16,50% (299 posts) <- No worries, it will be the first in list long before you die. You are so bitter, dog - that I wouldnt even pity you as much as I would give home to any real dog. I wonder why you are so bitter And no, the community laughs AT you, not WITH you, doggie. I would hope you can learn that, but usually dogs cant be tought new tricks once they pass certain age. You seems to have passed it.. unfortunately for you ------------------ yay, the Deimos has been saved!
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 21:06:00 - [305] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Fi T'Zeh However, BoB engages in PvP, PvE, production, research, exploration and plays the markets via trade. Thats nothing special, you know. Name one major alliance who doesn't do all those things. seriously, lay off... We didnt say that no other alliance did all those things, we just pointed out that we, like alot of other people in eve, enjoy every aspect of it... Unlike you who just troll on the forum. Did BoB steal your cookiejar or something? You accuse us of trolling and being disrespectful, but I have yet to see a respectful word come out of your keyboard towards anyone... You should really take a break of the forums, because now its just getting silly. You take any BoB reply, flame or not and post endless drivel. If its not a flame like this reply you take it out of context and then flame anyways. Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
BadManEdmundo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 21:31:00 - [306] Originally by: Butter Dog ... Are you gonna respond to the re-quotes?
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 21:41:00 - [307] Originally by: BadManEdmundo Originally by: Butter Dog ... Are you gonna respond to the re-quotes? his posting hour of the day is over, you have to wait till tomorrow Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 21:47:00 - [308] Bitter Dog, my only answer to this will come from a well known (albeit fictional) radio hero (yeah, we're in a middle of a war, so it's highly appropriated). Originally by: "Adrian Cronauher" You are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history Gooooooood Mornin Period Basis! ___________________________________________ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 05:33:00 - [309] Edited by: Red Six on 15/10/2006 05:33:17 Psst, Adrian Cronauer isn't fictional. Some of the events in the movie may be fictional but the man was real. http://www.h-net.org/~filmhis/conference_events/2004speakers/cronauer_biography.htm
Jormunrek Amarr Mining Bytes Inc. Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.15 06:30:00 - [310] Originally by: hothead anyone know who killed JFK?? hehe I had a ss of a lone BoB sniperGeddon on the grassy knoll, but the CIA consfiscated my pc that it was on for "national security reasons". =(* Jorm
Lag Fest Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 06:43:00 - [311] Edited by: Lag Fest on 15/10/2006 06:44:03 Originally by: Audrea Edited by: Audrea on 14/10/2006 20:38:34 Originally by: Bitter Dog If you want to brag about kill/loss, go on the warpath with D2 or AAA. Then, you would have a good reason to brag. As it is, you don't. It another Goon/Huzzah/Aridia locals type ego-boosting slaughter. If you want a well done, you've come to the wrong place. No-one outside your own alliance is impressed this time. lol your posts are mostly funny and amusing, but this one is blatant lies and trying to twist facts to fit into your 'theories'. BoB engaged all the above entities in one of their life spans: D2 as G Alliance, AAA as Stain- Alliance (EDIT: Admittedly its not exactly same alliance, but pvp abilites are similiar I would think). Huzzah Federation?? lol, Why are you trying to berate that alliance and claim it was poor industrial alliance too?!? Who the hell are you? Were you there when we fought BoB? -nope, go back to your hole. I am sure that if you ask the rest of BoB, they will tell you that we fought very well, not like 'industrial alliance' Huzzah Federation had a better kill/death ratio than ASCN has now, I believe (certainly not 70/1 BS looses) And all the crap you say about pvp alliance.. just lol. I remember in last months how many times ASCN was mentioned among the big alliances, they sure enjoyed being mentioned on that list. Now they are just poor pityful industrial alliance, when time comes to stand up to that 'reputation' they enjoyed so much? You also say you spend barly hour on the forums, what a blatant lie, which can easily be exposed. The following is the statistics of posting habits for Bitter Dog, taken from Eve-Search.com (relevant excerpts): Posts: 1812 Average: 4,6 posts/day Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions 16,50% (299 posts) <- No worries, it will be the first in list long before you die. You are so bitter, dog - that I wouldnt even pity you as much as I would give home to any real dog. I wonder why you are so bitter And no, the community laughs AT you, not WITH you, doggie. I would hope you can learn that, but usually dogs cant be tought new tricks once they pass certain age. You seems to have passed it.. unfortunately for you That was a first class burn. my respects to you. on the topic... this thread has died long time ago. we all know ASCN is gonna get living hell beaten out of them, u're just arguing over the words. I have seen the light and it turned out to be a Sleipnir _______________________________________
LK52 Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.15 08:01:00 - [312] Originally by: Vince Draken Edited by: Vince Draken on 13/10/2006 22:46:36 I remember when FA (xanadu) recorded and edited a CA council meeting and posted it. I remember CA members being angry, but only because it was heavily edited to take it out of context. Nobody got their E-lawyers out then. It's sad that some people take a game so seriously that they now toss that out so liberaly. Back in the day, Ragnar's threats to sue CCP because of 'The Scope' reporting on their war was met with univeral condemation and laughter. "There's always deniability..." Sorry nostalgic moment there. Continue with the flaming. -------------------------------------------------- Neglect leads to perfection. Stained.
St'oto Wings of Turul Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.15 09:46:00 - [313] A little bit humor to a bloody topic: Q. What's tragic about a BoB pilot dying in a shuttle crash? A. A shuttle can hold at least twenty of them.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 09:55:00 - [314] Originally by: St'oto A little bit humor to a bloody topic: Q. What's tragic about a BoB pilot dying in a shuttle crash? A. A shuttle can hold at least twenty of them. Nice one. While we're in the mood, let me just rephrase that slightly... Q: What's tragic about 20 ASCN pilots dying in a shuttle crash? A: The 19 others could have been in Battleships for BoB to exploderize... Laughing is optional and probably dependent on which alliance you're in My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
St'oto Wings of Turul Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.15 09:58:00 - [315] Joke war huh? q) what do you do if you see a bob jumping in the road with a leg missing a) stop laughing and re-load
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:22:00 - [316] Edited by: Butter Dog on 15/10/2006 10:23:07 Originally by: Audrea Edited by: Audrea on 14/10/2006 20:38:34 Originally by: Bitter Dog If you want to brag about kill/loss, go on the warpath with D2 or AAA. Then, you would have a good reason to brag. As it is, you don't. It another Goon/Huzzah/Aridia locals type ego-boosting slaughter. If you want a well done, you've come to the wrong place. No-one outside your own alliance is impressed this time. lol your posts are mostly funny and amusing, but this one is blatant lies and trying to twist facts to fit into your 'theories'. BoB engaged all the above entities in one of their life spans: D2 as G Alliance, AAA as Stain- Alliance (EDIT: Admittedly its not exactly same alliance, but pvp abilites are similiar I would think). Huzzah Federation?? lol, Why are you trying to berate that alliance and claim it was poor industrial alliance too?!? Who the hell are you? Were you there when we fought BoB? -nope, go back to your hole. I am sure that if you ask the rest of BoB, they will tell you that we fought very well, not like 'industrial alliance' Huzzah Federation had a better kill/death ratio than ASCN has now, I believe (certainly not 70/1 BS looses) And all the crap you say about pvp alliance.. just lol. I remember in last months how many times ASCN was mentioned among the big alliances, they sure enjoyed being mentioned on that list. Now they are just poor pityful industrial alliance, when time comes to stand up to that 'reputation' they enjoyed so much? You also say you spend barly hour on the forums, what a blatant lie, which can easily be exposed. The following is the statistics of posting habits for Bitter Dog, taken from Eve-Search.com (relevant excerpts): Posts: 1812 Average: 4,6 posts/day Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions 16,50% (299 posts) <- No worries, it will be the first in list long before you die. You are so bitter, dog - that I wouldnt even pity you as much as I would give home to any real dog. I wonder why you are so bitter And no, the community laughs AT you, not WITH you, doggie. I would hope you can learn that, but usually dogs cant be tought new tricks once they pass certain age. You seems to have passed it.. unfortunately for you An average of 4.6 posts a day? That would seem to back up what I said, would it not? Or do you suppose I take an hour to write each post? Look, I know you were in Huzzah and are naturally defensive. But you guys were a mainly inexperienced PvP force with a lot of low-SP and new members. Thats a plain, simple, honest fact. Denying it and claiming you were uber PvPers who stood your own with BoB is pure comedy.
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:43:00 - [317] Originally by: Butter Dog But you guys were a mainly inexperienced PvP force with a lot of low-SP and new members. Pot .. kettle? >: )
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:47:00 - [318] Originally by: Butter Dog Denying it and claiming you were uber PvPers who stood your own with BoB is pure comedy. no matter what they did or didnt or how many skillpoints they had. Coming to a fight and losing it is still superior to sitting in empire spitting wise remarks and belitteling comments at others. At any day of the week. So before you give anyone advice or belittle anyone on their achievements it would be smarter to pack your own 3 man corp and show bob. Hell for all i care join ASCN and apply to be fleetcommander. Im sure the outcome would be well worth it.
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:47:00 - [319] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Butter Dog But you guys were a mainly inexperienced PvP force with a lot of low-SP and new members. Pot .. kettle? pot .... kettle ..... mug
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:51:00 - [320] Originally by: Kcel Chim ... spitting wise remarks ... Hmmm, that'd be 'spitting wisea** remarks', wouldn't it? My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
BadManEdmundo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:54:00 - [321] Originally by: Butter Dog ... My post #237 needs responding to, will you please? I've been looking forward to it all night.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:55:00 - [322] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Butter Dog But you guys were a mainly inexperienced PvP force with a lot of low-SP and new members. Pot .. kettle? Did I at any point claim anything but? Have I made any claims to greatness? No. Thank you. I was simply pointing out a few facts.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:56:00 - [323] Originally by: BadManEdmundo Originally by: Butter Dog ... My post #237 needs responding to, will you please? I've been looking forward to it all night. Oh that was the D2 one, yes? Well, if you cannot see why they are your PvP equals you are frankly beyond my help.
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:58:00 - [324] Butter dog, your obsession with BoB is saddening.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:58:00 - [325] Originally by: Butter Dog I was simply pointing out a few facts. You are confusing opinion with fact. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:59:00 - [326] Originally by: TWD Butter dog, your obsession with BoB is saddening. 5bn and I never post in your threads again
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.15 11:03:00 - [327] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Butter Dog But you guys were a mainly inexperienced PvP force with a lot of low-SP and new members. Pot .. kettle? Did I at any point claim anything but? Have I made any claims to greatness? No. Thank you. I was simply pointing out a few facts. Actually you have implicitly.. you regularly try to speak for a majority of eve players.. a position you now admitting not to be qualified for.. you spam many threads with your opinions on tactics etc, apparently only now admitting you dont have the experience to make the opinons remotely qualified (and yes we had already noticed this) and no.. just because it's your opinion doesnt make it fact.. >: )
Goktar illiat Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.15 11:24:00 - [328] Originally by: St'oto Joke war huh? q) what do you do if you see a bob jumping in the road with a leg missing a) stop laughing and re-load lmao, slam - dunk - score !
Reite Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 16:04:00 - [329] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: BadManEdmundo Originally by: Butter Dog ... My post #237 needs responding to, will you please? I've been looking forward to it all night. Oh that was the D2 one, yes? Well, if you cannot see why they are your PvP equals you are frankly beyond my help. Come on! You HAVE TO come up with something better than that. Those kind of nonesaying arguments belong nowhere, just like the other "I know more about ur industrial side than you know" Such arguments are F***ing worhtless without anything to back them up with. You could rather not write anything cause that would tell the exact same thing about you. You just proove yourself more and more for each and every post. "Butter dog has never undocked from a station, if you dont agree you are stupid"
Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 16:52:00 - [330] Originally by: St'oto Joke war huh? q) what do you do if you see a bob jumping in the road with a leg missing a) stop laughing and re-load Q: what do you get of shooting ASCN? A: accusations of using headshot macro -- Nobody stays behind
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.15 18:27:00 - [331] Guys, are you done writing the butter dog's files yet? Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
jernej Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.15 18:44:00 - [332] Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: St'oto Joke war huh? q) what do you do if you see a bob jumping in the road with a leg missing a) stop laughing and re-load Q: what do you get of shooting ASCN? A: accusations of using headshot macro The 2nd one is moderately funny, the 1st one I don't get(or is not funny)... p.s. We need a new BoB thread, this one is dead.
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.15 18:50:00 - [333] Originally by: jernej p.s. We need a new BoB thread, this one is dead. There was a new Molle thread, but it got locked for killboard discussion, so till the next next one comes along we'll just have to wait and chew over old threads. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.15 19:09:00 - [334] Originally by: Trooper B99 Originally by: jernej p.s. We need a new BoB thread, this one is dead. There was a new Molle thread, but it got locked for killboard discussion, so till the next next one comes along we'll just have to wait and chew over old threads. and john mccreedy and had just jumped into it 2 feet first again i would have loved to know how he was going to explain why he thought EDF were so much better than the other ascn corps >: )
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 19:24:00 - [335] Well we just got some nice propaganda nonsense from their forums, presumably by CEO Pyrex (I'd have to double check) so if I get bored I might dissassemble that in public for a laugh.
Zardock Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.15 21:01:00 - [336] Originally by: Blacklight Well we just got some nice propaganda nonsense from their forums, presumably by CEO Pyrex (I'd have to double check) so if I get bored I might dissassemble that in public for a laugh. On one hand I'd like you to. But on the other I think it'd be a waste of time since everyone but ASCN know that the morale posts are utter nonsence of a distorted view of reality... That sentence was too long just to say that their forums are full of ****. Hi Gilbert.
Erin Kingsman Gallente A.W.M	Posted - 2006.10.15 21:33:00 - [337] Originally by: jernej Originally by: Cyleth Originally by: St'oto Joke war huh? q) what do you do if you see a bob jumping in the road with a leg missing a) stop laughing and re-load Q: what do you get of shooting ASCN? A: accusations of using headshot macro The 2nd one is moderately funny, the 1st one I don't get(or is not funny)... p.s. We need a new BoB thread, this one is dead. You dont get it, explaining the joke always makes it lose on the humor side but here goes. One legged man bouncing around in the road is funny. You have to reload because it was your shooting that got him to that one legged state in the first place and if you had anymore ammo left he wouldnt be sitting out there jumping around. I personally thought it was the better of the two jokes(even if it is just an old joke adapted ot the current context) but then again that could just be me.

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VoyeureX Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.10.15 23:13:00 - [339] Originally by: Blacklight Well we just got some nice propaganda nonsense from their forums, presumably by CEO Pyrex (I'd have to double check) so if I get bored I might dissassemble that in public for a laugh. Go ahead Sugar.After all it would not be the first time you or your "friends" had used a something from members only forum to help you win a war or gain public opinion in an "internet spaceship game" would it?
Blockoindi Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 00:08:00 - [340] Originally by: VoyeureX Edited by: VoyeureX on 15/10/2006 23:17:00 Originally by: Blacklight Well we just got some nice propaganda nonsense from their forums, presumably by CEO Pyrex (I'd have to double check) so if I get bored I might dissassemble that in public for a laugh. Go ahead Sugar.After all it would not be the first time you or your "friends" had used a something from members only forum to help you win a war or gain public opinion in an "internet spaceship game" would it? Irrespective of this tactic, given the apparent huge void between a posters account on a "members only" forum and what is actually happening in game in an "internet spaceship game". It would appear a valid tool, hell we could have Iraqi information minsisters running roit if we were not careful!!! There are no American tanks in Baghdad!
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 00:39:00 - [341] Originally by: VoyeureX Edited by: VoyeureX on 15/10/2006 23:17:00 Originally by: Blacklight Well we just got some nice propaganda nonsense from their forums, presumably by CEO Pyrex (I'd have to double check) so if I get bored I might dissassemble that in public for a laugh. Go ahead Sugar.After all it would not be the first time you or your "friends" had used a something from members only forum to help you win a war or gain public opinion in an "internet spaceship game" would it? Hello alt, prepare to be modded.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.16 02:03:00 - [342] Originally by: VoyeureX Edited by: VoyeureX on 15/10/2006 23:17:00 Originally by: Blacklight Well we just got some nice propaganda nonsense from their forums, presumably by CEO Pyrex (I'd have to double check) so if I get bored I might dissassemble that in public for a laugh. Go ahead Sugar.After all it would not be the first time you or your "friends" had used a something from members only forum to help you win a war or gain public opinion in an "internet spaceship game" would it? If it is just an internet spaceship game why do you have to boohoo and use an alt to post? In rust we trust!!!
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 04:17:00 - [343] Originally by: "CEO Pyrex" War status, where are we really at ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have been reading the forums today and it looks like we need a perspective on the situation: 1. We are fighting what is arguebly the strongest PVP entety in eve and we have forced them to take the fight on their turf. Thats one BIG point for ASCN. 2. Sir molle keeps posting strange crap on eve-o. Why would he do that ?, today he even had to retract his premature announcement regarding GQ2. They are hurting, their numbers are dwindling every night, if they dont get some traction soon (they wont) they are screwed for morale. Thats another point for ASCN. 3. Our kill/loss ration is steadily improving, in the initial parts of the war we where getting our asses handed to us, if you look at the last week (and detract the fake killmails) we come up having lost more BS's, but you have to remember their loadouts is a LOT more expensive than ours... so i declare a tie this week in terms of isk lost. Maybe thats not a point for ASCN, but it sure as hell isnt one for them either. 4. We are in position to open a new front on Bob, Sir molle even mentions this in his eve-o post today.... he saw 8 carriers in C3N... that number will increase and it will haunt him ... this is a lot of points otw for ASCN 5. We have held TCAG over the weekend, I can tell you that NOONE believed we could do that... but we did. It was hard, I know, but MAN im proud of us doing this. Thats a definite point for ASCN. 6. I can only speak for DS1, but we have an INSANE amount of minerals, fuel, ships and isk left. I have a feeling most other corps in ASCN are in the same situation, use it and have fun, this is what eve is all about... spending isk to make enemies cry All in all, where is the points for Bob ?..... 1/2 for a POS in GQ2 and maybe 1 for kill ratio... that is all. Bob has NEVER experienced a fight like this and they are hurting from it. Its an alliance plagued by ADHD and its showing right now. Right now we have to stand firm and get ready for the big push to clean the eve-galaxy from Bob, it will take more time and more commitment, but I have NO doubt we will get this done. SO... get in that battleship, carrier, cruiser and frigate and GIVE THEM HELL, they deserve every last ounce of it I expect Bob to do a play for GQ2 tonight, be ready, it may very well be their last chance to gain a foothold in Ascenia for a LONG time. Ohh.. btw, if ur in a carrier or too useless to fly anything but a frig, I need YOU to get in touch with ME ! We love things like this. Lets do it point by point. 1. Thank you. Forced us to take the fight to our turf? Do you actually believe that? I mean, a battlship killed, is a battleship killed, regardless if we killed it in NOL or AZN, and last i checked, we killed 50 on sunday. If you want to count how high precentage was in "your space", be my guest, i wont. 2. Lemme see, i have now retracted the previous statement of GQ2... uhm, ooook, where did i do that? I stated that the offer is now no longer valid, as in, the timeframe for it offered has expired. Retracted? Reading comprehension please. As a sidenote, every gang we have out is loaded with pilots and we are if anything, gaining numbers. Pilots refuse to logoff and are having a blast. 3. lol, just... lol. I mean... lol? Anyone who can read is welcome to go study our killboard. As for your claims of fake mails... duh? Are we making kills up? lol? 4. I'm sorry, but carrier camps with fighter bombs isnt really making me very much worried. 5. You have held TCAG. Im serious here, whatever your smoking, i want some. Did you fail to see that you lost sov in TCAG and in the process a bunch of fleets? Exactly what are you holding? 6. GREAT! Bring them all out, we're having a blast. And you sir, are truly correct, BoB have never experienced such a fight like this.
Monarch Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 04:24:00 - [344] I would like to declare a tie LOL... maybe between McCreedy and Pyrex for most retarded propaganda ever?
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 04:34:00 - [345] Originally by: CEO Pyrex 3. Our kill/loss ration is steadily improving, in the initial parts of the war we where getting our asses handed to us, if you look at the last week (and detract the fake killmails) we come up having lost more BS's, but you have to remember their loadouts is a LOT more expensive than ours... so i declare a tie this week in terms of isk lost. Maybe thats not a point for ASCN, but it sure as hell isnt one for them either. Omg, where does he gets his data from? I just quickly scooped the Battleship kills from the BoB killboard. Yes, I know that some of those (on both sides) are not ASCN, but the large majority are. I also know I should be taking into account HAC's, and I know our lossrates are higher there, but I cba to trawl through our killboard for the data (the BS data is readily acceptabel). BoB BS kills/losses: Monday 09/10: 76/9 Tuesday 10/10: 32/19 Wednesday 11/10: 21/1 Thursday 12/10: 35/9 Friday 13/10: 15/4 (ASCN didn't come out to play all day) Saturday 14/10: 58/2 Sunday 15/10: 50/0 Monday 16/10: 8/0 (Taken at EVE time 04:21) Total: 295/44, or approx 6.7 to 1 Compare this with CEO Pyrex's statement above, and I can only say this: He's right that kill rates are improving...... OUR kill rates If this is loosing, our killboard would crash if we were winning My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Mi Lai Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.16 04:38:00 - [346] I'm about as far away from Player Empire politics as can be, but it seems to me BoB is actually fighting a war of attrition, in order to seep the strength and morale from ASCN before making a big push themselves. Bringing the fight to them, as they seem so keen about, is actually playing right into BoB's hands so far. Unless of course, I severely underestimate ASCN's ability to replace losses and keep morale up.
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 04:43:00 - [347] Originally by: Mi Lai I'm about as far away from Player Empire politics as can be, but it seems to me BoB is actually fighting a war of attrition, in order to seep the strength and morale from ASCN before making a big push themselves. Bringing the fight to them, as they seem so keen about, is actually playing right into BoB's hands so far. Unless of course, I severely underestimate ASCN's ability to replace losses and keep morale up. shhhhhh Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Kim Wu Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 04:47:00 - [348] Edited by: Kim Wu on 16/10/2006 04:47:58 rawr ----------------------------------
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 04:48:00 - [349] ASCN leadership is amazing to me. DO you honestly expect your rank and file to keep swallowing this load of B.S.? Bogus post's like this, plus the Cryvok and Mcgreedy blogs tells me one thing. ASCN is simply a house of cards. If you need to blantently lie to your membership and brag about holding a non-station system for a few days (lol) to despertly try to get more pilots than you're in a world of hurt. ASCN leadership is looking more and more like a group of self-centered egomaniacs despertly trying to get their membership to buy what they are selling. Could a D2 (G then) or IRON guy tell me, where they this bad when you guys invaded them? The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Joe Bloggers Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera	Posted - 2006.10.16 05:55:00 - [350] Originally by: Vince Draken ASCN leadership is amazing to me. DO you honestly expect your rank and file to keep swallowing this load of B.S.? Bogus post's like this, plus the Cryvok and Mcgreedy blogs tells me one thing. ASCN is simply a house of cards. If you need to blantently lie to your membership and brag about holding a non-station system for a few days (lol) to despertly try to get more pilots than you're in a world of hurt. ASCN leadership is looking more and more like a group of self-centered egomaniacs despertly trying to get their membership to buy what they are selling. Could a D2 (G then) or IRON guy tell me, where they this bad when you guys invaded them? I have been thinking - With jump portal on a Titan, could a force in tcag jump to any bob system in period basis? If so, then I can see why ASCN are wanting this system.... 1 minute all in tcag - the next ASCN jumpportaling its forces to various systems. As more people come into tcag, they get split up to reinforce whatever bob system they are attacking. At least assuming thats what I think they are trying to do. Also, I had heard that the BS losses got pettetioned back due to node crash's. In that case, the kill ratio, although impressive, is not a true reflection. Just an Average Joe!
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 06:28:00 - [351] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 16/10/2006 06:31:42 Edited by: Tzrailasa on 16/10/2006 06:29:17 Originally by: Joe Bloggers I have been thinking - With jump portal on a Titan, could a force in tcag jump to any bob system in period basis? If so, then I can see why ASCN are wanting this system.... They didn't want TCAG, they wanted TPAR. They got kicked out of there immediately after POS-spamming, but we let them keep a couple of POS in TCAG for a few days since it made them easier to chain close to our space Also, it's a pretty useless system to control. Originally by: Joe Bloggers 1 minute all in tcag - the next ASCN jumpportaling its forces to various systems. As more people come into tcag, they get split up to reinforce whatever bob system they are attacking. At least assuming thats what I think they are trying to do. Personally, I don't think Cyvok has the b*s to risk the Titan outside their area. Beside, their numbers are dropping fast, so they don't have the active players to actively attack a BoB system, not to mention more than one (roaming squads is something else, but don't cause many losses). Originally by:** Joe Bloggers Also, I had heard that the BS losses got pettetioned back due to node crash's. In that case, the kill ratio, although impressive, is not a true reflection. There haven't been many node crashes the last week afaik (I've not been playing much due to RL stuff, so based on what I've heard). If you look at the BoB killboard you'll see that most kills have been in small engagements. You're also assuming here that only ASCN looses ships to node crashes, which is not a valid assumption. The ratio generally would not change since both sides would be affected equally. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 06:31:00 - [352] Originally by: Joe Bloggers I have been thinking - With jump portal on a Titan, could a force in tcag jump to any bob system in period basis? If so, then I can see why ASCN are wanting this system.... Maybe it's not as safe as ASCN claims it to be? Quote: 1 minute all in tcag - the next ASCN jumpportaling its forces to various systems. As more people come into tcag, they get split up to reinforce whatever bob system they are attacking. At least assuming thats what I think they are trying to do. Maybe, they tried many things, which all failed. Splitting up forces, yeah... tbh, we have more top notch FCs in that area than they have memebers willing to fight. Quote: Also, I had heard that the BS losses got pettetioned back due to node crash's. In that case, the kill ratio, although impressive, is not a true reflection. Thare was no node crashes this week, and no lag to speak of since past sunday(which was laggy). Petitioning and whining to GMs is just sand into GM/ccp eyes about server performance. If they were bad 2 weeks ago, they were doing well last week. ps. I really hope some poor guy petition himself for loss of bookmarks. Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.16 06:40:00 - [353] that titan is a waste of money, cyvock propebly hasnt got enogh skills to use all of its features. i d laugh if he aint got a slave set. Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
zyphentits Sector 7	Posted - 2006.10.16 07:07:00 - [354] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: BadManEdmundo Originally by: Butter Dog ... My post #237 needs responding to, will you please? I've been looking forward to it all night. Oh that was the D2 one, yes? Well, if you cannot see why they are your PvP equals you are frankly beyond my help. LMAO wow, sure d2 is great pvp'ers but most of the stuff you type on this forum is totally ridiculas ---------------------------------------------
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 07:12:00 - [355] First CEO Pyrex sit at a safe spot the whole Xetix vs 5 war and screams "ATUK IN LOCAL DOCK OR SAFE SPOT!!!". Now he sit at a safe spot telling me I got ADHD. And then the jealous Butter Dog tells me D2 is better than us. I must say, my feelings are hurt... really hurt. You Will Cry My Name
Durvaul Caldari SAS Strike Team SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.16 07:49:00 - [356] Originally by: zyphen** Originally by:** Butter Dog Originally by: BadManEdmundo Originally by: Butter Dog ... My post #237 needs responding to, will you please? I've been looking forward to it all night. Oh that was the D2 one, yes? Well, if you cannot see why they are your PvP equals you are frankly beyond my help. LMAO wow, sure d2 is great pvp'ers but most of the stuff you type on this forum is totally ridiculas Kinda reminds me or your corp, just without the great pvpers
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.16 07:54:00 - [357] ROFL... One BOB post after another of mutual ego stroking. Its really getting pathetic. Reality check, BOB is invading ASCN space. Thats right...we are told that YOU are on the offensive. Spin it ANYWAY you like, but in light of BOBs performance thus far, at your current pace, I'm guessing ASCN space will fall in a few decades.
qvacky AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2006.10.16 08:04:00 - [358] Originally by: LUKEC Maybe, they tried many things, which all failed. Splitting up forces, yeah... tbh, we have more top notch FCs in that area than they have memebers willing to fight. you also have more arrogant egotistical forums *****s than they have members willing to fight too, but i don't see you bringing that up here.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 08:12:00 - [359] lets sum it up shall we? 1. I have no life 2. I live in my mums basement 3. I am unemployed 4. I cheat in online games 5. I am a unproductive member of society 6. I most likely run over grannies when I see them (most likely in a stolen car, see above) 7. I now have ADHD, or ADD as it is also known the same goes for the rest of my alliance. gee thanks ASCN for pointing out the flaws in my life. Excuse me while I now have to go out to pick up my prescription ritalin... Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.10.16 08:20:00 - [360] Edited by: Bizarre on 16/10/2006 08:20:39 Originally by: Hast lets sum it up shall we? 1. I have no life 2. I live in my mums basement 3. I am unemployed 4. I cheat in online games 5. I am a unproductive member of society 6. I most likely run over grannies when I see them (most likely in a stolen car, see above) 7. I now have ADHD, or ADD as it is also known the same goes for the rest of my alliance. gee thanks ASCN for pointing out the flaws in my life. Excuse me while I now have to go out to pick up my prescription ritalin... If you'd remove point #4 I'd say you are an identical clone of Dianabolic. --------------------
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 08:27:00 - [361] Yesterday we broke our kills/loss record (unless there is a late BS loss to be posted). 50 BS killed, 0 BS lost. I guess after the 78-1 this was always going to happen. It will be interesting to see if ASCN keep **ing ships up our killboard. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto**
Krystian Caldari No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.16 08:28:00 - [362] Originally by: Hast lets sum it up shall we? 1. I have no life 2. I live in my mums basement 3. I am unemployed 4. I cheat in online games 5. I am a unproductive member of society 6. I most likely run over grannies when I see them (most likely in a stolen car, see above) 7. I now have ADHD, or ADD as it is also known Wow described 99% of 'leet' mmorpg players Any of you guys check out that Southpark episode making fun of WoW? Kinda reminds of this battle.
Game Caldari The Legion.	Posted - 2006.10.16 08:57:00 - [363] Originally by: DB Preacher Yesterday we broke our kills/loss record (unless there is a late BS loss to be posted). 50 BS killed, 0 BS lost. I guess after the 78-1 this was always going to happen. It will be interesting to see if ASCN keep ****ing ships up our killboard. dbp O.o I am sure however there is some kind of statistical trick to make this sound in favour to E.D.F . Maybe along the lines of : While BoB killed 50 Battleships only 2,37 have statistically been flown by E.D.F, of which only 0.087 can actually be in the same system as the kills have occured given the amount of star systems in eve and the amount of members in E.D.F. To conclude only 0.087 E.D.F battleships have been killed , while at the same time E.D.F killed 7 frigates in System Y , which gives us a kill to loss ratio of 7:0,087 beat that BoB! There that does look much better :) I love reading these posts at work , keep em coming
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 08:58:00 - [364] Originally by: Tzrailasa You're also assuming here that only ASCN looses ships to node crashes, which is not a valid assumption. The ratio generally would not change since both sides would be affected equally. As you guys were picking them off one-by-one after the node crashes, I think you will find the ratio will change significantly. I agree they were silly to log back in one at a time in disorganized fashion, but if what he said is true, thats a LOT of battleships they just got back.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 08:59:00 - [365] Originally by: DB Preacher Yesterday we broke our kills/loss record (unless there is a late BS loss to be posted). 50 BS killed, 0 BS lost. I guess after the 78-1 this was always going to happen. It will be interesting to see if ASCN keep ****ing ships up our killboard. dbp Oh, hats off. That is quite superb. wtf are ASCN playing at? I think their FC's need a long holiday.
BOldMan Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 09:02:00 - [366] Originally by: Butter Dog wtf are ASCN playing at? Originally by: Oscar W. Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes. Great days...
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 09:03:00 - [367] Edited by: LUKEC on 16/10/2006 09:05:07 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Tzrailasa You're also assuming here that only ASCN looses ships to node crashes, which is not a valid assumption. The ratio generally would not change since both sides would be affected equally. As you guys were picking them off one-by-one after the node crashes, I think you will find the ratio will change significantly. I agree they were silly to log back in one at a time in disorganized fashion, but if what he said is true, thats a LOT of battleships they just got back. There was no lag in past week.They lost less ships only because they decided not to field them. Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 09:07:00 - [368] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Tzrailasa You're also assuming here that only ASCN looses ships to node crashes, which is not a valid assumption. The ratio generally would not change since both sides would be affected equally. As you guys were picking them off one-by-one after the node crashes, I think you will find the ratio will change significantly. I agree they were silly to log back in one at a time in disorganized fashion, but if what he said is true, thats a LOT of battleships they just got back. There was no lag in past week. Learn to read. Lukec, I said 'after the node crashes', didn't I? Which would imply the node crashes you had over a week ago, after which ASCN lost about 200 BS in total. Its those ships I was referring to. Obviously if you have had no node crashes in the past week, I could not be reffering to any events in the past 7 days, could I.
Joe Bloggers Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera	Posted - 2006.10.16 09:08:00 - [369] Edited by: Joe Bloggers on 16/10/2006 09:08:46 Going by what I read here, ASCN is a defencive alliance, but is currently reverse invading BoB Space. They are camping a BoB System and defending it. I think if you are invading - who should invade all the way, but I am not that knoledgable in fleet pvp. I go as far as quick deaths in my frigs :) But like I asked earlier, as I dont know anything about titans, heck, I dont even know much about battleships, my question was simply if ASCN has secured tcag, and brought their titan up, would that open up the entire bob region to a fleet on demand? Just an Average Joe!
Cmd Woodlouse Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.10.16 09:10:00 - [370] Originally by: Hast Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 14/10/2006 14:32:03 Edited by: DeadDuck on 14/10/2006 14:29:59 Originally by: End Yourself At least (unlike d2) bob doesn't nap everyone within 100 jumps anymore BD. Oi the north is napped because the ones that didnt want D2+Allies friendship ended dead or tottaly defeated ... thats 8 alliances since April/2006 ... that still doesent change the fact that D2 is napped with everyone... and well, napping everyone and then bandwagoning the rest doesent make it better now does it? Thats total bullcrap Hast and its surprising me that you say that and makes baby woodyy emo-sad again BoB complaining about NAPs is the most ridiculous thing ever regarding your past. Stop this. -------------------------------- Spain ftw!
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 09:18:00 - [371] Originally by: Joe Bloggers would that open up the entire bob region to a fleet on demand? In theory, but what use is a fleet if you're just going to suicide it?
Tam Chi Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 09:32:00 - [372] Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 16/10/2006 04:52:17 Originally by: CEO Pyrex 3. Our kill/loss ration is steadily improving, in the initial parts of the war we where getting our asses handed to us, if you look at the last week (and detract the fake killmails) we come up having lost more BS's, but you have to remember their loadouts is a LOT more expensive than ours... so i declare a tie this week in terms of isk lost. Maybe thats not a point for ASCN, but it sure as hell isnt one for them either. Omg, where does he gets his data from? I just quickly scooped the Battleship kills from the BoB killboard. Yes, I know that some of those (on both sides) are not ASCN, but the large majority are. I also know I should be taking into account HAC's, and I know our lossrates are a bit higher there, but I cba to trawl through our killboard for the data (the BS data is readily acceptabel). BoB BS kills/losses: Monday 09/10: 76/9 Tuesday 10/10: 32/19 Wednesday 11/10: 21/1 Thursday 12/10: 35/9 Friday 13/10: 15/4 (ASCN didn't come out to play all day) Saturday 14/10: 58/2 Sunday 15/10: 50/0 Monday 16/10: 8/0 (Taken at EVE time 04:21) Total: 295/44, or approx 6.7 to 1 Compare this with CEO Pyrex's statement above, and I can only say this: He's right that kill rates are improving...... OUR kill rates If this is loosing, our killboard would crash if we were winning omg! so badly owned that I have to change my pants brb.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:09:00 - [373] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Tzrailasa You're also assuming here that only ASCN looses ships to node crashes, which is not a valid assumption. The ratio generally would not change since both sides would be affected equally. As you guys were picking them off one-by-one after the node crashes, I think you will find the ratio will change significantly. I agree they were silly to log back in one at a time in disorganized fashion, but if what he said is true, thats a LOT of battleships they just got back. To be fair, they exaggerate the amount they lost due to node crashes, i recall 3 times we gt them fairly hard and then they would stay logged out or do that log on/log off thing. The bulk of kills in this campaign have been from fleetbattles, gang fights and fast paced roaming gang's. We have had loads of small skirmishes all over the place as well which have been infinitely fun. Btw, ascn can never again speak poorly of burn eden because ive seen hardcore stab use and logging out to save pod's etc on a daily basis. Yesterday, i tackled an ascn amarr noobship (forget the name) and it had stab's, couldn't believe it Iron and G eat babie's, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:11:00 - [374] Originally by: McMike Reality check, BOB is invading ASCN space. Thats right...we are told that YOU are on the offensive. Spin it ANYWAY you like, but in light of BOBs performance thus far, at your current pace, I'm guessing ASCN space will fall in a few decades. Whoever told you that is wrong. We're (afaik, and not yet anyway) invading ASCN or anyone else. We're KILLING ASCN, and there is a distinct difference between the two. Please note that BoB (afaik) has not claimed any intention of invading ASCN. Other people have, but not us. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:17:00 - [375] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Hast Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 14/10/2006 14:32:03 Edited by: DeadDuck on 14/10/2006 14:29:59 Originally by: End Yourself At least (unlike d2) bob doesn't nap everyone within 100 jumps anymore BD. Oi the north is napped because the ones that didnt want D2+Allies friendship ended dead or tottaly defeated ... thats 8 alliances since April/2006 ... that still doesent change the fact that D2 is napped with everyone... and well, napping everyone and then bandwagoning the rest doesent make it better now does it? Thats total bullcrap Hast and its surprising me that you say that and makes baby woodyy emo-sad again BoB complaining about NAPs is the most ridiculous thing ever regarding your past. Stop this. True Hurt you ,huh? The Tau Ceti Federation, proudly *** off the Northern Coalition till 2006*
Jiara Castoumi Caldari Contract Accountancy Service	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:19:00 - [376] Err has anyone actually looked at the map recently? No didnt think so :/ TCAG-3 Sovrienty Taken today 11:16 BST So considering everyones crying over sovriegnty, you can all stop :/ - Contract Accountancy Service -
BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:20:00 - [377] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Stop this. stops stroking Woody :\ ------------------- Sig is not eve related - please see the RULES - Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc ([email protected]) -
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:30:00 - [378] Woody I'll make you a new owl when I get home tonight.. <3 .... Real men use blasters
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:33:00 - [379] Originally by: Jiara Castoumi Err has anyone actually looked at the map recently? No didnt think so :/ TCAG-3 Sovrienty Taken today 11:16 BST So considering everyones crying over sovriegnty, you can all stop :/ Yeah, everyone knows. Claiming sov in an empty system requires a control tower to be fuelled and anchored. Nothing more. If you formed an alliance, and placed a couple of large POS there, you could claim sov yourself. What does it mean? A fuel saving. Nothing more. Now, if sov changes on outpost systems... thats a different kettle of fish.
Durethia Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:37:00 - [380] Originally by: fire 59 We have had loads of small skirmishes all over the place as well which have been infinitely fun. Btw, ascn can never again speak poorly of burn eden because ive seen hardcore stab use and logging out to save pod's etc on a daily basis. Yesterday, i tackled an ascn amarr noobship (forget the name) and it had stab's, couldn't believe it Don't forget the BMs in the cargo holds.
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:43:00 - [381] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Jiara Castoumi Err has anyone actually looked at the map recently? No didnt think so :/ TCAG-3 Sovrienty Taken today 11:16 BST So considering everyones crying over sovriegnty, you can all stop :/ Yeah, everyone knows. Claiming sov in an empty system requires a control tower to be fuelled and anchored. Nothing more. If you formed an alliance, and placed a couple of large POS there, you could claim sov yourself. What does it mean? A fuel saving. Nothing more. Now, if sov changes on outpost systems... thats a different kettle of fish. Tell us butter... What exactley makes you qualified to talk about these things? Where were you even remotley close to the things you are talking about with such confidence? Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:46:00 - [382] Originally by: TURBOman Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Jiara Castoumi Err has anyone actually looked at the map recently? No didnt think so :/ TCAG-3 Sovrienty Taken today 11:16 BST So considering everyones crying over sovriegnty, you can all stop :/ Yeah, everyone knows. Claiming sov in an empty system requires a control tower to be fuelled and anchored. Nothing more. If you formed an alliance, and placed a couple of large POS there, you could claim sov yourself. What does it mean? A fuel saving. Nothing more. Now, if sov changes on outpost systems... thats a different kettle of fish. Tell us butter... What exactley makes you qualified to talk about these things? Where were you even remotley close to the things you are talking about with such confidence? I didnt think I was stating anything particularly controversial. Simply talked about game mechanics. If there are any factual inaccuracies, please do correct me.
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:48:00 - [383] Ok, so by your theory, ASCN lost sov because of them being unable to fuel their pos, and anyone that shows enough dedication to fuel their pos can hold sov in bob region? Even with bob capital and bs fleet right next door? Think about what u're saying... Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:49:00 - [384] Originally by: TURBOman Ok, so by your theory, ASCN lost sov because of them being unable to fuel their pos, and anyone that shows enough dedication to fuel their pos can hold sov in bob region? Even with bob capital and bs fleet right next door? Think about what u're saying... Now you're just flaming for the sake of it. I didnt say any such things.
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:51:00 - [385] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: TURBOman Ok, so by your theory, ASCN lost sov because of them being unable to fuel their pos, and anyone that shows enough dedication to fuel their pos can hold sov in bob region? Even with bob capital and bs fleet right next door? Think about what u're saying... Now you're just flaming for the sake of it. I didnt say any such things. no u just in genral talk utter crap. wonder when ull stop u fanboi thing and move on. The Rules is a disgrace for Minmatar
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 10:57:00 - [386] Originally by: Sir JoJo Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: TURBOman Ok, so by your theory, ASCN lost sov because of them being unable to fuel their pos, and anyone that shows enough dedication to fuel their pos can hold sov in bob region? Even with bob capital and bs fleet right next door? Think about what u're saying... Now you're just flaming for the sake of it. I didnt say any such things. no u just in genral talk utter crap. wonder when ull stop u fanboi thing and move on. Okay, so I explain why sov changes in empty systems from a game mechanic perspective are relatively unimportant (to a third party), and this makes me a fanboi who is talking utter crap? lol, okay Mr Troll, whatever you say. Same tired old line from the same tired old people. Your forum warriors are really no match for even a barely reasoned arguement. Oh no, wait, 9 more of you will jump on the thread now calling me a 'fanboi' (whatever that is). I better go and weep quietly in the corner.
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 11:15:00 - [387] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Sir JoJo Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: TURBOman Ok, so by your theory, ASCN lost sov because of them being unable to fuel their pos, and anyone that shows enough dedication to fuel their pos can hold sov in bob region? Even with bob capital and bs fleet right next door? Think about what u're saying... Now you're just flaming for the sake of it. I didnt say any such things. no u just in genral talk utter crap. wonder when ull stop u fanboi thing and move on. Okay, so I explain why sov changes in empty systems from a game mechanic perspective are relatively unimportant (to a third party), and this makes me a fanboi who is talking utter crap? lol, okay Mr Troll, whatever you say. Same tired old line from the same tired old people. Your forum warriors are really no match for even a barely reasoned arguement. Oh no, wait, 9 more of you will jump on the thread now calling me a 'fanboi' (whatever that is). I better go and weep quietly in the corner. Behave or we will set rod and digital on you
Auman Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 11:17:00 - [388] Edited by: Auman on 16/10/2006 11:17:36 Originally by: Jiara Castoumi Err has anyone actually looked at the map recently? No didnt think so :/ TCAG-3 Sovrienty Taken today 11:16 BST So considering everyones crying over sovriegnty, you can all stop :/ Yup we took down 2 ASCN POS (I think it's 2) over the weekend. There was some resistance but it wasn't co-ordinated and none of our cap ships were in any danger. Kudos to ASCN for trying to break the siege. /edit spelling Sig is not eve related - please see the RULES - Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc ([email protected])
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 11:25:00 - [389] Evolution pilots will cease feeding the troll. .... Real men use blasters
Joe Bloggers Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera	Posted - 2006.10.16 11:26:00 - [390] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Joe Bloggers would that open up the entire bob region to a fleet on demand? In theory, but what use is a fleet if you're just going to suicide it? I would assume that, going by these posts, that bob concentrate all their fleets in one location to fend off ASCN. But if ASCN secure tcag, then can jump portal there entire force to a quiet system with a station, drop these pos's and then jump back undisturbed. Am I wrong in this thinking? Just an Average Joe!
aeti Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 11:27:00 - [391] Indeed, some more ASCN met the good friend of bob again, Mr Citadel Torpedo.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.16 11:28:00 - [392] I want to apolagize to BoB and the rest of the community for the complete lack of ASCN/AXE posts. First, let me add that we were neither ordered nor forced to stay out of this threads. Problem is and has always been the BoB logistics capabilities. We cannot track their roamings through the community forums, because other gangs soon appear on the other side of it! CCP keeps supporting the Forum Wars over the GSWW2006 (¿a.k.a¿, the ¿Great South Western War version October 2006 1.05¿): We have heard that, because BoB`s activity on the forums, he forum node has crashed, thus every help the systems were going to received were re-directed here! I know we promised to make at least one post every 30 of theirs, but we have been overruned. We officially surrender to the BoB Forum Warrior Spamage Front. As for the rest of the community, consider this post one last form of resistance: I have just posted more typos than all BoB combined in the last 10 pages! Don`t worry, the BoB **** Propaganda will end. I would like to also ask people like Butter Cat, End Himself and the rest of the bandwagon to stop it. Butter, dude, stop it. You`ll not win, and you just spam the forums (indirectly, yes: Every time you post, you have 20 BoB`s quoting you and replying the same thing) To ASCN/AXE forumeers: Dudes, let`s back off. Let`s enjoy the game. If we can, let`s infiltrate their TS, and wait till they say something like ¿Ok, girls, where do we meet next to have our undies party, talk about boys, tell some horror stories and have some pillow fights?¿ Disclaimer 1: I`m an underdog of AXE, thus this post is what it looks to be: A joke. Not as good as the rest of the posts on this thread, but look! It has more letters! Letters are shiny! But as I can write whatever I want (as BoB has shown us) because I pay the same amount of ISK/rl cash like the rest of you (I pay/your parents pay, same thing for me: RL cash) Disclaimer 2: This post, as the rest of the ones in this thread, have long left the issue at hand, which is the GAME war. Consider it a spam, prettier and maybe funnier than some others, but spam at last. But if that SPAM was not deleted, means posts like this are permitted. Why? Because it`s shiny, and I get 100k ISK for every letter I write! Or you actually think BoB warriors are wasting everyone`s time for nothing? ¿SHINYYYYYYYY!!!!¿ (NEW CRUSADER FOR ME!!!) ¿SHINYYYYYYYY!!!!!¿ (CRUSADER w/extra Small Rep I, and a cuzy chair) PS: Had fun writing it, hope you enjoy it. I was planning to post something similar in the AXE or the ASCN forums, but later I though: ¿Why waste the BoB spies time? I`ll just post it myself!¿ :P
aeti Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 11:29:00 - [393] Originally by: Joe Bloggers Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Joe Bloggers would that open up the entire bob region to a fleet on demand? In theory, but what use is a fleet if you're just going to suicide it? I would assume that, going by these posts, that bob concentrate all their fleets in one location to fend off ASCN. But if ASCN secure tcag, then can jump portal there entire force to a quiet system with a station, drop these pos's and then jump back undisturbed. Am I wrong in this thinking? I suggest you look at the range of the jump portal then look at systems that are in range of that from TCAG ;)
UnIQu3 Amarr DarkStar 1	Posted - 2006.10.16 11:35:00 - [394] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Tzrailasa You're also assuming here that only ASCN looses ships to node crashes, which is not a valid assumption. The ratio generally would not change since both sides would be affected equally. As you guys were picking them off one-by-one after the node crashes, I think you will find the ratio will change significantly. I agree they were silly to log back in one at a time in disorganized fashion, but if what he said is true, thats a LOT of battleships they just got back. To be fair, they exaggerate the amount they lost due to node crashes, i recall 3 times we gt them fairly hard and then they would stay logged out or do that log on/log off thing. The bulk of kills in this campaign have been from fleetbattles, gang fights and fast paced roaming gang's. We have had loads of small skirmishes all over the place as well which have been infinitely fun. Btw, ascn can never again speak poorly of burn eden because ive seen hardcore stab use and logging out to save pod's etc on a daily basis. Yesterday, i tackled an ascn amarr noobship (forget the name) and it had stab's, couldn't believe it Ofc. you have forgotten it... Any who see the pattern here? Regards UnIQu3 PS. within 10 minutes a BOB have posted a counter to this post.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 11:48:00 - [395] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Evolution pilots will cease feeding the troll. You really need to look up the definition of a troll, then read back 20 posts or so. I made a perfectly reasoned reply to a point about sov. Your alliance members then decided to troll. Fact.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.16 11:53:00 - [396] Jees Rikeka you actually Believe that posting on FORUMS is a form of WAR? ok. Balaa blaa blaa, thats burst fire right. Blaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuush, head shot Oh god i feel sory for you, ASCN are quiters, they have someone like john leading, and posting bull, corp vs alliance stats to show that EDF is better than the rest of ASCN. Than everybody wounders how come he is never around in the fighting. i heard he took over from a vaf guy and got everybody killed, the man has no experience FCing, he is a liability get rude of him and ascn will see better days. until you do that, Keep your SORY posts out of the FORUM, People aren't gonna stop posting jsut because you made a point, its called freedom of speech, so far BOB has said nothing but facts. ASCN produce Bull*t, Stats , Nods crashes, BOB hiring burn eden. i really feel sory for you guys, mainly because i know there is real leaders int he alliance, real people that can do great under better circumstances. the list is long and beyound a 1000. BTW, who the fK is butter dog? i mean from were iam standing, sounds like an expert to me, was the guy playing eve before CCP was born? seriously BD stop wasting your time. Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.16 11:54:00 - [397] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Evolution pilots will cease feeding the troll. You really need to look up the definition of a troll, then read back 20 posts or so. I made a perfectly reasoned reply to a point about sov. Your alliance members then decided to troll. Fact. see you stilll won't sT up. you jsut want every one here to say, oh yeah yeah, you are right. well guese what, even if you are right, not every one can agree with you, get used to it. Quote:** "Don't touch the red button!"
Scrofalitic One Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.16 12:02:00 - [398] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Jees Rikeka you actually Believe that posting on FORUMS is a form of WAR? Reading comprehension not your strong point at school? Rikeka's post made me chuckle anyway, made a nice change from the Butter Dog fool and his twenty odd BoB stalkers flaming each other.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.16 12:05:00 - [399] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Jees Rikeka you actually Believe that posting on FORUMS is a form of WAR? ok. Balaa blaa blaa, thats burst fire right. Blaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuush, head shot Eh? Huh, what? /emote recheck the post, trying to find of what the hell is Rox talking about. Seriously, what? Re-read my post, searching of what you have been talking about, if I had mentioned it somewhere. No such luck. So, to clarify it for you: Basically it was a joke post. Freedom of speech, and all. Sarcasm was all over it. I though it was clear. ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 12:10:00 - [400] Originally by: UnIQu3 Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Tzrailasa You're also assuming here that only ASCN looses ships to node crashes, which is not a valid assumption. The ratio generally would not change since both sides would be affected equally. As you guys were picking them off one-by-one after the node crashes, I think you will find the ratio will change significantly. I agree they were silly to log back in one at a time in disorganized fashion, but if what he said is true, thats a LOT of battleships they just got back. To be fair, they exaggerate the amount they lost due to node crashes, i recall 3 times we gt them fairly hard and then they would stay logged out or do that log on/log off thing. The bulk of kills in this campaign have been from fleetbattles, gang fights and fast paced roaming gang's. We have had loads of small skirmishes all over the place as well which have been infinitely fun. Btw, ascn can never again speak poorly of burn eden because ive seen hardcore stab use and logging out to save pod's etc on a daily basis. Yesterday, i tackled an ascn amarr noobship (forget the name) and it had stab's, couldn't believe it Ofc. you have forgotten it... Any who see the pattern here? Regards UnIQu3 PS. within 10 minutes a BOB have posted a counter to this post. Hmmm, i don't know whether to be offended or mystified. Who's forgotten what? Iron and G eat babie's, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.16 12:18:00 - [401] Forgot the pilot name or the Amarr Noobship name? (Impairor, btw) Your lack of comas will be your downfall. Anyway, I doubt he actually IMPLIED this. But as I did not got what you first said, I`ll make us of his short and enigmatic post for my use. As to who quoted fire59, remember he can`t mention the pilot`s name here. So don`t act ¿surprised¿. See? I`ve help you both! swooshes to rescue a cat on a tree Comas ftw! ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 12:28:00 - [402] Originally by: DB Preacher Yesterday we broke our kills/loss record (unless there is a late BS loss to be posted). 50 BS killed, 0 BS lost. I guess after the 78-1 this was always going to happen. It will be interesting to see if ASCN keep **ing ships up our killboard. dbp Bah, Someone posted late. It was 51-1 so the 33-0 vs fix during the bob fix war still stands as the record. That's twice we've come close to breaking it for no joy. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto**
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 12:34:00 - [403] Originally by: Scrofalitic One Originally by: Roxanna Kell Jees Rikeka you actually Believe that posting on FORUMS is a form of WAR? Reading comprehension not your strong point at school? Rikeka's post made me chuckle anyway, made a nice change from the Butter Dog fool and his twenty odd BoB stalkers flaming each other. really made me laugh :)
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 12:34:00 - [404] Edited by: Darcuese on 16/10/2006 12:36:03 Personaly,this was very interested and bloody weekend for me. Woke up early in saturday, made coffee and logged in..."GET in TO CEPTORS. THERE ARE DREADS that NEED TO DIE"...first message on TS and channel. After bit of pew pew silent time has arived....but i heard a bell on the door...oh, a friend with beers arived (and something extra for joy). So EVe saturday was over for me, hangovers made me wake early in sunday too. Sunday EVE felt as playing ping-pong. Jump in to BS..pew, pew..."lets go roam".."Oh, there is a fleet coming by"...jump in to BS again. Few ship shooted down, wait, wait...."LETS GO ROAM FFS". ...jump in to frigs again. So, we went in to lonely ASCN space in several different directions......."TCAG HAVE 150+ HOSTILES"....."OSUF GATE in GQ2 is camped". Omg, ants are coming back from who knows where. So, after bit of lag-lag and pew-pew we got back toward Gq2 to have some fun with "Anti-support camp". Well, lack of coordination transformed us in to bunch of loot w.h.o.r.e.s yet again. No need to talk about kill ratio (even though is mentioned allready for sunday) after bloody and entertaiming weekend as this one. IF YOU SEE ME WHINING OR NERVOUS THEN THERE ARE IDIOTS NEAR BY
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.16 12:40:00 - [405] Edited by: Rikeka on 16/10/2006 12:41:13 Originally by: Darcuese After bit of pew pew silent time has arived....but i heard a bell on the door...oh, a friend with beers arived (and something extra for joy). So EVe saturday was over for me, hangovers made me wake early in sunday too. Drugs are bad, m`kay. Unless you are speaking of a nice set of cubans, not interested. (Anyway, good post) And Butter, you know you will be gangbanged to death in the followings secs, right? ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
Silvestri FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.16 12:54:00 - [406] Axe back to the IAC fight....Axe back to the IAC fight...clean up aisle F4 to G7.... Over? lol
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 12:58:00 - [407] Originally by: Silvestri Axe back to the IAC fight....Axe back to the IAC fight...clean up aisle F4 to G7.... Over? lol Just say no to drugs Iron and G eat babie's, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or my alliance
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 12:58:00 - [408] Originally by: Rikeka And Butter, you know you will be gangbanged to death in the followings secs, right? I am moist with anticipation.
Jiara Castoumi Caldari Contract Accountancy Service	Posted - 2006.10.16 13:19:00 - [409] Edited by: Jiara Castoumi on 16/10/2006 13:21:59 edited: meh whats the point
Scrofalitic One Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.16 13:36:00 - [410] Originally by: Roxanna Kell As i said she edited her post, or propebly a he. so you aint got a lcue what was there originally. Time of Rikeka's last edit = 11:32 Time of your post = 11:53 So either it took you 20 minutes to compose your sub-literate ravings or they don't teach the basics of clock reading at your school either
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 13:56:00 - [411] Originally by: DB Preacher Bah, Someone posted late. It was 51-1 so the 33-0 vs fix during the bob fix war still stands as the record. That's twice we've come close to breaking it for no joy. dbp Just checked the KB, and ASCN had nothing to do with the only BS loss that occured on the saturday (it was killed by mercenaries that ASCN didn't hire), we could still say that it was a 45:0 VS ASCN ... ___________________________________________ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 14:07:00 - [412] pfft, all or nothing for me I'm afraid ;) dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.16 14:52:00 - [413] Originally by: Scrofalitic One Originally by: Roxanna Kell As i said she edited her post, or propebly a he. so you aint got a lcue what was there originally. Time of Rikeka's last edit = 11:32 Time of your post = 11:53 So either it took you 20 minutes to compose your sub-literate ravings or they don't teach the basics of clock reading at your school either you are one ignorant pk, try speaking my other 2 languages. Quote:** "Don't touch the red button!"
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.16 15:23:00 - [414] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Scrofalitic One Originally by: Roxanna Kell As i said she edited her post, or propebly a he. so you aint got a lcue what was there originally. Time of Rikeka's last edit = 11:32 Time of your post = 11:53 So either it took you 20 minutes to compose your sub-literate ravings or they don't teach the basics of clock reading at your school either you are one ignorant p*k, try speaking my other 2 languages. Damn... that settles it. After such incredible display of reasoning from Rox, I must admit: I got back in time 20 minutes to obliterate Rox`s p=st because it proved without a doubt the fraud I was. bows to Rox* Seriously, I had no need to edit my post after you post yours. ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
Shigsy Caldari Four Horsemen	Posted - 2006.10.16 15:41:00 - [415] Has anyone got full stats for the war so far such as kills and losses for each ship group and stuff like that. Im not sure if it was already posted but i honestly cant be bothered to go through another bob ascn thread, been through the rest of them already
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 15:52:00 - [416] Originally by: Shigsy Has anyone got full stats for the war so far such as kills and losses for each ship group and stuff like that. Im not sure if it was already posted but i honestly cant be bothered to go through another bob ascn thread, been through the rest of them already your best bet would be going to the respective sides killboard and see for yourself, I cant link it to you, but there should be a link to both in the top sticky Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Atreus Minmatarius The Moral Majority	Posted - 2006.10.16 16:08:00 - [417] Can this become any better.... you have: 1. BoB circle jerking eachother 2. That BoB guy that tried to explain how CYVOK was wrong to call him QuakeKiddie and unproductive memeber of society... The guy's name I do not recal... he proceeded to explain how he had job and bussy social life... but lived with his parrents, i would assume in the BASEMENT.... funny. 3. ButterDog trying to actually argue using logic and sense... failed. Somebody should have told him that this is not that kind discusion. (btw he is a quite good FC... maybe ASCN should hire him) 4. You have ppl like Roxana that has taken a break from speaking many languages to a apply a hug to BoB nutts tighter than Ann Coulter *******. 6. ASCN not posting... now that is not really good cause it would have "contributed" to the discussion. Then again must be hard to post if you losing battleships faster than Terry Shaivo would have lost a hotdog eating contest,,,, 5. ppl like me that have nothing to do with this whole thing, and have nothing better to do than post here.... i mean really... can it become any better... really
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 16:15:00 - [418] Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius 2. That BoB guy that tried to explain how CYVOK was wrong to call him QuakeKiddie and unproductive memeber of society... The guy's name I do not recal... he proceeded to explain how he had job and bussy social life... but lived with his parrents, i would assume in the BASEMENT.... funny. The joke just came full circle and landed square on your forehead, chap.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 16:28:00 - [419] Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius 3. ButterDog trying to actually argue using logic and sense... failed. Somebody should have told him that this is not that kind discusion. (btw he is a quite good FC... maybe ASCN should hire him) I will not stand for these slanderous lies. BoB said I suck and lose at EVE, they are never wrong.
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 16:34:00 - [420] Edited by: Vathar on 16/10/2006 16:34:31 Originally by: DB Preacher pfft, all or nothing for me I'm afraid ;) dbp Bah, second prize will then be that EDF has contributed to 0% of the BS losses on the Bob side this day then As for Roxanna, while I couldn't congratulate her on the corp she's chosen, I can at least say that she DOES speak a few languages other than english. I, being an average Bob member, live in my own basement, the rest of the house being dedicated to the swarm of hamsters powering our special node crasher device. Consider the time I spend growing salad and carrots to feed the rodents, and you'll know why I'm not that productive to the human society (although I may admit that my contribution to the huge hamster family includes saving two minor species from total extinction) Since they never accuse me of cheating in internet games through forums, I'm much more courteous to them; being repeatedly considered cheater, exploiter, or second personality of a deranged GM can have that effect sometimes. Worst being is that such random flaming comes from people you never see on the battlefield, the average ASCN member (the one you see on the battlefield, trying to follow the "orders" sprouted from "high command") being much more polite than the average fanboy lurking around those forums. So if you've got overdevelopped front teeth and have developped a habit of storing food in your cheeks, I might be polite. if you've taken the arms against Bob, (won or lost, I don't care); I probably respect you. If you've never seen a Bob in space but KNOW for a fact that we have no industry backbone, get our ships directly spawned by the devs and keep a finger on the "crash node" trigger, go choke yourself in the depth of spece, but don't really expect me to act humble and bow to your superior wisdom. ___________________________________________ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 16:58:00 - [421] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius 3. ButterDog trying to actually argue using logic and sense... failed. Somebody should have told him that this is not that kind discusion. (btw he is a quite good FC... maybe ASCN should hire him) I will not stand for these slanderous lies. BoB said I suck and lose at EVE, they are never wrong. Exactly, anyone who disagree will die. You Will Cry My Name
Atreus Minmatarius The Moral Majority	Posted - 2006.10.16 17:09:00 - [422] Edited by: Atreus Minmatarius on 16/10/2006 17:13:15 Edited by: Atreus Minmatarius on 16/10/2006 17:09:33 Originally by: Louisa Torres The joke just came full circle and landed square on your forehead, chap. Oh Oh I see what you did there.... nice..i like.. I do not hide it unlike you ppl... See I was living in my parents basement. Then they could not milk welfare anymore so we were forced out of the projects by the ebil government, the republicans, big corporations and judgemental ppl like you... We had to move in a trailer park... double wide deluxe...nice bang for the buck if you ever have to buy a trailer (now before we moved in i had to be "born again" since they won't let you live in trailer parks if you ain't...) So now I have my own corner with a electric plug and a 56k modem (a big upgrade from the net conection i had before) When i take a break form giving handjobs on the corner to support my 4 siblings (2 of them inbread) mom, 2 fathers, an uncle, my 2 baby mamas (1 of them my cousin) I come here to post, relax and feel like my life is going just like i planed in my dreams, before i was prematurely born just cause teh doctor refused to perform another abortion on my mom... aparently 6 was the cutoff
Vince Draken Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 17:28:00 - [423] Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Edited by: Atreus Minmatarius on 16/10/2006 17:13:15 Edited by: Atreus Minmatarius on 16/10/2006 17:09:33 Originally by: Louisa Torres The joke just came full circle and landed square on your forehead, chap. Oh Oh I see what you did there.... nice..i like.. I do not hide it unlike you ppl... See I was living in my parents basement. Then they could not milk welfare anymore so we were forced out of the projects by the ebil government, the republicans, big corporations and judgemental ppl like you... We had to move in a trailer park... double wide deluxe...nice bang for the buck if you ever have to buy a trailer (now before we moved in i had to be "born again" since they won't let you live in trailer parks if you ain't...) So now I have my own corner with a electric plug and a 56k modem (a big upgrade from the net conection i had before) When i take a break form giving handjobs on the corner to support my 4 siblings (2 of them inbread) mom, 2 fathers, an uncle, my 2 baby mamas (1 of them my cousin) I come here to post, relax and feel like my life is going just like i planed in my dreams, before i was prematurely born just cause teh doctor refused to perform another abortion on my mom... aparently 6 was the cutoff Both your posts in this thread are pathetic. I hope the mods gag you soon. You are neither funny no witty, just crass. The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such.
Atreus Minmatarius The Moral Majority	Posted - 2006.10.16 17:40:00 - [424] Originally by: Vince Draken Both your posts in this thread are pathetic. I hope the mods gag you soon. You are neither funny no witty, just crass. Same thing applies to most of the posts in this discussion, yet it is allowed to continiue while it should have been locked at least 5 pages ago... I just do my part...
Mr AtLanTis God's of Eve	Posted - 2006.10.16 18:03:00 - [425] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Scrofalitic One Originally by: Roxanna Kell As i said she edited her post, or propebly a he. so you aint got a lcue what was there originally. Time of Rikeka's last edit = 11:32 Time of your post = 11:53 So either it took you 20 minutes to compose your sub-literate ravings or they don't teach the basics of clock reading at your school either you are one ignorant p**k, try speaking my other 2 languages.
Scrofalitic One Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.16 18:42:00 - [426] Originally by: Mr AtLanTis Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Scrofalitic One Originally by: Roxanna Kell As i said she edited her post, or propebly a he. so you aint got a lcue what was there originally. Time of Rikeka's last edit = 11:32 Time of your post = 11:53 So either it took you 20 minutes to compose your sub-literate ravings or they don't teach the basics of clock reading at your school either you are one ignorant pk, try speaking my other 2 languages. Its so true. Rox owned my so hard I almost in my pants. Or possibly the fact that you are poly-lingual does not excuse you from actually reading the post you quoted, and flamed whilst ENTIRELY missing its point? And then, when this had been gently pointed out to you, you went on to post just a short while later that it had been edited. I fail to see how me being a pk (btw what is a p**k? a punk? a pink? a pork? really unable to work it out...) somehow invalidates the fact that you are unable to look at the time stamp on the edits in Rikeka's post and in your own post. Speaking three languages is indeed impressive, telling the time in even one of them would probably serve you well. For unless you speak some very rare languages indeed I suspect that the base 10 arabic numerals used for the time stamps on the eve-o forums are common to all your tongues. Is your school a "special" one?
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 18:53:00 - [427] Originally by: Scrofalitic One Is your school a "special" one? I dunno about Roxs' school, but yours must be incredibly speshul for you not to realise these forums have a word censor.
Scrofalitic One Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.16 19:00:00 - [428] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Scrofalitic One Is your school a "special" one? I dunno about Roxs' school, but yours must be incredibly speshul for you not to realise these forums have a word censor. Ah my dear old alma mater, yes my school was special in all the wrong ways :) I do indeed know about the profanity filter, I was merely enquiring what word of four letters, starting with P and ending in K could possibly be interpreted as a profanity? Unless of course sweet talkin Roxy-woxy was intending to make it a 5 letter word and was referring to me as a male member. In which case I would have to agree, I am indeed a phallus of human proportions. Little Rox though still cannot tell the time....
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.16 19:01:00 - [429] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Scrofalitic One Is your school a "special" one? I dunno about Roxs' school, but yours must be incredibly speshul for you not to realise these forums have a word censor. I think what Scrofa ment was that he can`t tell what p*k is. Neither can I. Seems is not punk. English is not my first language so I guess there could be a curse outhere with has a ¿p¿, two `s, and a ¿k¿. ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------

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Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 19:16:00 - [431] Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius 3. ButterDog trying to actually argue using logic and sense... failed. Somebody should have told him that this is not that kind discusion. (btw he is a quite good FC... maybe ASCN should hire him) TBH if this happens then we should all pack our bags and call the war over and done with "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Reite Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 19:25:00 - [432] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius 3. ButterDog trying to actually argue using logic and sense... failed. Somebody should have told him that this is not that kind discusion. (btw he is a quite good FC... maybe ASCN should hire him) I will not stand for these slanderous lies. BoB said I suck and lose at EVE, they are never wrong. Hahahaha come on. There is no logic nor sense in any of your posts. Is this atreus guy ur alt? He has to be very badly biased to actually be fooled by the so called arguments you puke out.
Atreus Minmatarius The Moral Majority	Posted - 2006.10.16 19:26:00 - [433] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius 3. ButterDog trying to actually argue using logic and sense... failed. Somebody should have told him that this is not that kind discusion. (btw he is a quite good FC... maybe ASCN should hire him) TBH if this happens then we should all pack our bags and call the war over and done with Oh i see what you did there too... is this called exageration or sarcasm...i like I was in ISSN for a bit and fought in some gangs that BD was FCing. He was composed, calm and knew what he was doing...
Cmd Woodlouse Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.10.16 19:29:00 - [434] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Jees Rikeka you actually Believe that posting on FORUMS is a form of WAR? Ofc it is. It was, is and prolly will ever be. Propaganda / Influencing enemy morale via a communicationplatform IS a form of war. Ofc if you absolutely cant back it up in game its fruitless and harms ur own reputation. -------------------------------- Spain ftw!
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 20:32:00 - [435] Originally by: Reite Hahahaha come on. There is no logic nor sense in any of your posts. Is this atreus guy ur alt? He has to be very badly biased to actually be fooled by the so called arguments you puke out. Please point me to a single post of mine, in which I am constructing an arguement, which has no logic or sense. Go on, I'm waiting...
00tricky Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 20:33:00 - [436] Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius He should have known that there is no place for such things in this thread. Here, you either swing **** at others or hug nuts... Which are you doing? A combo of the two it seems
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.16 20:55:00 - [437] Edited by: Rikeka on 16/10/2006 21:06:11 Dear ISD moderator: My post was deleted though it had no offensive remarks, nor insults. I only stated what it was obvious: I did not edited nor changed my post, nor did anything to deserve Rox`s remarks. Still Rox`s post accusing ME that I had edited my post was not deleted. Pretty obvious by anyone that I did not edited my post to counter hers, as my last EDIT was 20 MINUTES BEFORE SHE EVEN POSTED. To anyone that says otherwise, know now that he/she is lying. I truly respect and accept that Rox`s remarks and insults were deleted, but you only needed to edit her quote on my posts, not delete them completely. This is no disagreement nor accusation against you. But by deleting my post, it looked like Rox¦s accusation were valid. Feel free to edit my posts as you are so much entitled to do, but please do not delete the whole concept of them, nor my sole defense against an accusation unfairly thrown at me. Thank you. Rikeka. [EDIT] To Woody: I DID not said that either, I really dunno what she tried to say with that. ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
Reite Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:04:00 - [438] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Reite Hahahaha come on. There is no logic nor sense in any of your posts. Is this atreus guy ur alt? He has to be very badly biased to actually be fooled by the so called arguments you puke out. Please point me to a single post of mine, in which I am constructing an arguement, which has no logic or sense. Go on, I'm waiting... Quote: Well, if you cannot see why they(D2) are your PvP equals you are frankly beyond my help. Where is the logic? This argument is void. Quote: Something about you "knowing" more about bobs industrial side than we know I cant find this post, which is really a pity since it was so good Quote: blablabla LAW bull**** come on! You wrote so many posts about the law being against what BOB do. And you failed to NOT EVEN ONCE quote some law to back up your case.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:10:00 - [439] Butter`s comment regarding the industrial capabilities of BoB was on a thread started by a neutral, I remember. I know some BoB`s posted there too, regarding their own corp`s industrial backbone. ... but I can`t find it. :S ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:12:00 - [440] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Reite Hahahaha come on. There is no logic nor sense in any of your posts. Is this atreus guy ur alt? He has to be very badly biased to actually be fooled by the so called arguments you puke out. Please point me to a single post of mine, in which I am constructing an arguement, which has no logic or sense. Go on, I'm waiting... The posts comparing corp to alliance stats is probably a good place to start. There was at least 4 well written explanations of why they make no sense, and yet you posted the same argument a number of days later. In regards to the definition of a "troll", I generally base it on whether a person is as willing to respond to the well written responses as the smack. I've seen you constantly ignore almost every serious post, while chomping at the bit to reply to any you feel you can score points off. Continue to avoid engaging in any serious discussion, and you will continue to be seen in the same light you are now.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:13:00 - [441] Originally by: Reite Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Reite Hahahaha come on. There is no logic nor sense in any of your posts. Is this atreus guy ur alt? He has to be very badly biased to actually be fooled by the so called arguments you puke out. Please point me to a single post of mine, in which I am constructing an arguement, which has no logic or sense. Go on, I'm waiting... Quote: Well, if you cannot see why they(D2) are your PvP equals you are frankly beyond my help. Where is the logic? This argument is void. Quote: Something about you "knowing" more about bobs industrial side than we know I cant find this post, which is really a pity since it was so good Quote: blablabla LAW bull**** come on! You wrote so many posts about the law being against what BOB do. And you failed to NOT EVEN ONCE quote some law to back up your case. Okay, so you can't find one, thank you for proving my point. Regarding the D2 point, if you are suggesting that some of the old G corps are NOT your PvP equals, please explain why. I'm sure they are as interested to know as you, considering their kill/loss against you. As for your industrial side, I have never really commented on it. I know you have a strong industrial backbone.
Reite Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:15:00 - [442] Ahh im not gonna go into a argument like this with u. Avon did it beforem he basicly said "its not against the law, heres prood" Your replied with "yes it is, with NO PROOF OR ANYTHING AT ALL" Its so pointless to discuss with you cause it always end up with. yes no yes no.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:16:00 - [443] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Reite Hahahaha come on. There is no logic nor sense in any of your posts. Is this atreus guy ur alt? He has to be very badly biased to actually be fooled by the so called arguments you puke out. Please point me to a single post of mine, in which I am constructing an arguement, which has no logic or sense. Go on, I'm waiting... The posts comparing corp to alliance stats is probably a good place to start. There was at least 4 well written explanations of why they make no sense, and yet you posted the same argument a number of days later. In regards to the definition of a "troll", I generally base it on whether a person is as willing to respond to the well written responses as the smack. I've seen you constantly ignore almost every serious post, while chomping at the bit to reply to any you feel you can score points off. Continue to avoid engaging in any serious discussion, and you will continue to be seen in the same light you are now. The comparison I was making on the kill/loss ratio was the old G corps against you. Unfortunately you cannot search against G Alliance on your killboard anymore, or at least I couldn't, so I had to make do with the stats at hand. I understand that comparing corp to alliance isnt really 'fair' but as G alliance had about as many member corps as you it was not a totally unfair comparison.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:18:00 - [444] Originally by: Reite Ahh im not gonna go into a argument like this with u. Avon did it beforem he basicly said "its not against the law, heres prood" Your replied with "yes it is, with NO PROOF OR ANYTHING AT ALL" Its so pointless to discuss with you cause it always end up with. yes no yes no. Well you're entitled to your point of view, of course. Though I can quite clearly state that I have never really said anything about your industrial side other than 'you have a strong one'. Regarding my discussion with Avon, it was my opinion against his. There was no proof on either side. The discussion was fairly pointless I guess, but well... thats what forums are for after all. Wasting time
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:23:00 - [445] Originally by: Butter Dog Regarding my discussion with Avon, it was my opinion against his. There was no proof on either side. The discussion was fairly pointless I guess, but well... thats what forums are for after all. Wasting time If you want to think what I posted was just my opinion, fine. Just don't break my opinion in the UK, because there they call it the law. As to your logical arguements, I counter you with an accusation of sophism. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:32:00 - [446] Originally by: Butter Dog I understand that comparing corp to alliance isnt really 'fair' but as G alliance had about as many member corps as you it was not a totally unfair comparison. Well, not exactly, since if you tried to look at the kills by individual corps within an Alliance and sum them up, you would end up with kills counting multiple times. example, a BS kill in a fleet where you find BNC, Evol, RKK, DICE and TAOSP involved counts as one kill for the Alliance, now if you take all the stats from all the Bob Corps, you'll find a HUGELY inflated number of kills. The only way of comparing kills is corp vs. corp or alliance vs. alliance Now for the post where you claim that D2 are our pvp equals is not in any way backed up by logic. I don't feel like arguing about wether it's true or false, but technically, you're just saying something without backing it up. I'll grant you one thing about this fact though, it's a highly debatable affirmation and I doubt it can be "proved" as true or false. ___________________________________________ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:32:00 - [447] Originally by: Avon I counter you with an accusation of sophism. An expected accusation, considering I tend to argue with BoB members. I'm not actually pro-ASCN, believe it or not, they just rise less to the bait than you guys. You are both highly defensive and aggressive on the forums, its not a pleasant combination. But nonetheless, its quite fun provided one doesnt take it too seriously.
Reite Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:32:00 - [448] Quote: Just, lol. Believe what you like, anyone with a basic understanding of psychology knows exactly what this post is for. Quote: If you actually believe they are doing this, rather than playing cynical and predictable mind games with ASCN, you are blind to the obvious. Dont you see? You keep argumenting like this. "If you dont agree with me you are stupid, and its you to blame". Such arguments wouldnt pass in any semi-serious discussion.
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:35:00 - [449] Edited by: ProphetGuru on 16/10/2006 21:35:24 Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Evolution pilots will cease feeding the troll. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:35:00 - [450] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Avon I counter you with an accusation of sophism. An expected accusation, considering I tend to argue with BoB members. I'm not actually pro-ASCN, believe it or not, they just rise less to the bait than you guys. You are both highly defensive and aggressive on the forums, its not a pleasant combination. But nonetheless, its quite fun provided one doesnt take it too seriously. Sounds like an admission of trolling to me. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:37:00 - [451] Originally by: Avon Sounds like an admission of trolling to me. Not really, I don't post to incite flames. Its just very hard to avoid that with you guys. You are tuned to react to anything you percieve as criticism - be it explicit or implied.
Reite Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:46:00 - [452] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Avon Sounds like an admission of trolling to me. Not really, I don't post to incite flames. Its just very hard to avoid that with you guys. You are tuned to react to anything you percieve as criticism - be it explicit or implied. I can say the exact same thing to you, exept you dont react to thing you percieve as criticism but at things which are written by people with a Band of Brother tag below their name.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 21:58:00 - [453] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Avon Sounds like an admission of trolling to me. Not really, I don't post to incite flames. Its just very hard to avoid that with you guys. You are tuned to react to anything you percieve as criticism - be it explicit or implied. That's a rather sweeping generalisation. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.16 22:02:00 - [454] Originally by: Avon That's a rather sweeping generalisation. It is a generalisation, yes. Its one thats proved right time and time again though Or are you suggesting that BoB's forum warriors don't swarm anyone they percieve to be critical? Because I think we all know that would be a little porkie pie.
Atreus Minmatarius The Moral Majority	Posted - 2006.10.16 22:19:00 - [455] Originally by: 00tricky Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius He should have known that there is no place for such things in this thread. Here, you either swing **** at others or hug nuts... Which are you doing? A combo of the two it seems I take that as a compliment.. thx
Corphus Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.16 22:20:00 - [456] Edited by: Corphus on 16/10/2006 22:25:50 --removed--
Atreus Minmatarius The Moral Majority	Posted - 2006.10.16 22:33:00 - [457] Originally by: Corphus Edited by: Corphus on 16/10/2006 22:25:50 --removed-- best post up to now.... we need more like those...
Gothikia Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 22:50:00 - [458] Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Originally by: Corphus Edited by: Corphus on 16/10/2006 22:25:50 --removed-- best post up to now.... we need more like those... agreed -------------- Gothi
Corphus Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.16 22:59:00 - [459] Originally by: Gothikia Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Originally by: Corphus Edited by: Corphus on 16/10/2006 22:25:50 --removed-- --removed-- --removed--
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:23:00 - [460] goes off to eve search to find the orginal post
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:26:00 - [461] Originally by: Butter Dog Or are you suggesting that BoB's forum warriors don't swarm anyone they percieve to be critical? Because I think we all know that would be a little porkie pie. We don't swarm at anybody in particular, we're fairly broad-minded and will have a go at anybody accusing us of haxx0ring the game. We will also react fiercely when faced with crap such as "the EDF kill ratio". Broadcasting enemy communication over a public forum channel mostly occurs when said communications are denying us a RL or exposes us as node crashers or any kind of b.s that has been seen around. You'll also notice that, while our opinions differ on specific matters, we tend to support each other's post. You might also remember what Bob means and understand that we act on the forums like in game and won't backstab our "brothers", but work together against any kind of threat, be it a verbal threat on a forum. Since I can neither sleep nor connect to the game, I just bothered to take a look at most of the "major" Bob posts since SirMolle posted The pendulum, mostly stopping at your posts. Every now and then, you retort to the fact that you provide reasoned and argumented posts and it allegedlt disturbs us, so I went back to see the kind of reasoned arguments you provide. Honestly, I can't say I found arguments here, I found a few things repeated over and over: - I post here because I dislike your attitude. Hey, there are a bunch of corps/Alliances/individuals posting around whose attitude I don't like on the forums, I usually don't bother answering (you're currently the exception), so why do you feel the need to "bait" Bob members on the forums? Did we do something in game to offend you? Do you take this course of action since you can't really act against us in game? You say that you don't hate Bob, but hate our attitude on the forums seems devoted mostly towards "baiting" us ... friendly baiting is it? - Bob does not engage pvp alliances, and ASCN is "an easy kill" ... although you started saying it was a fight we cannot actually win. An interesting change of mood here, although I will blatantly admit that you're NOT an ASCN fanboy, just a prolific "anti-Bob" forum dweller. - Bob has a poor industrial backbone - D2 is better than Bob ... Ok, these are your opinions and you constantly state them. You have a right to these opinions, but they are just that. Stating them like this on the forums don't make them facts to base logic upon to reason entire arguments. the third one crops up from time to time from other posters as well and should be written into the long list of assumptions made by people who have never seen a Bob pilot in their local, even less travelled into Bob space. Bah, we eventually get used to that as well. Oh, I also found something interesting while browsing through archives ... said something like : [Quote="First hostile doomsday device fire, post 263, By butterDog"]With ASCN imminently able to kill off pretty much instapop any dread you dare to deploy with massive fighter swarms, I really can't see why you are in a boasting mood. While this is more than debatable now, and was not much more credible when it was posted, it also means that at some point, you acknowledged ASCN as a potential threat to us (being able to instapop dread is hardly what I would call an "industrial superiority, even us" egomaniac as we are, don't claim to have that kind of power ...) At this stage, according to this, ASCN still represented a fight we couldn't win, and was also on the verge of threatening our capital fleets ... Yeah, no challenge into engaging them in this case? Continued ... ___________________________________________ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:31:00 - [462] Edited by: Vathar on 16/10/2006 23:33:04 Last point, no matter how hard I try, I can't give much credit to the posts made by someone who says that he hasn't connected any character lately, mostly because of boredom and lack of challenge. I'm sorry to say it like this, but if you can't find any challenge playing, does this mean that you're so uber and you have won Eve, or you're unable to cope with the way Alliances operate and can't adapt to the evolution of Eve. Most players here can set themselves In Game challenges, Alliances and Megacorps fight for 0.0 space, smaller corps can try to increase their assets in empire and can struggle to survive, which is a challenge in my eyes. 3 alts joke corps are IMO missing much of the fun, mostly because they can only talk to themselves via corp chat. This is bound to bore the hell out of any sane man. If the only fun you get those days comes from lurking through these forums, watching for every Bob thread that pops, I find it a little sad but hey, Play the game the way you want ... ___________________________________________ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:50:00 - [463] Originally by: Dr Einkeisel goes off to eve search to find the orginal post I tried it too, but for some reason (tin foil hat owners welcome to intervene!) cant find this thread there, out of all threads ------------------ yay, the Deimos has been saved!
aeti Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:54:00 - [464] Originally by: Audrea Originally by: Dr Einkeisel goes off to eve search to find the orginal post I tried it too, but for some reason (tin foil hat owners welcome to intervene!) cant find this thread there, out of all threads answer is hidden at the end of the 1st post
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:03:00 - [465] Originally by: aeti Originally by: Audrea Originally by: Dr Einkeisel goes off to eve search to find the orginal post I tried it too, but for some reason (tin foil hat owners welcome to intervene!) cant find this thread there, out of all threads answer is hidden at the end of the 1st post ahh lol.. damn forum mods hmm, does eve-search now update edited posts as well? if its true then its services are useless now ------------------ yay, the Deimos has been saved!
gaz widdow Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:23:00 - [466] A little of topic, but a Image splashed through my mind KSUDruid in Mothership going straight for the Titan super weapon: with a quote from the film: Independence Day. ( HELLO BOYS IM BACK ) made me chuckle anyway
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:35:00 - [467] Originally by: gaz widdow A little of topic, but a Image splashed through my mind KSUDruid in Mothership going straight for the Titan super weapon: with a quote from the film: Independence Day. ( HELLO BOYS IM BACK ) made me chuckle anyway Funny enough, it's the only ship thus far In EVE I've been able to successfully pick up chicks in Oh yah, and 23 Fighters and 80,000 shields are teh futhamuckin' win. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
buo yollocks	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:42:00 - [468] Chicks you mean wing women surley or youve sold your accont and its some cheap cheap im talking to
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:43:00 - [469] Originally by: buo yollocks Chicks you mean wing women surley or youve sold your accont and its some cheap cheap im talking to You obviously don't know me. I've always been cheap -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
gaz widdow Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:43:00 - [470] Edited by: gaz widdow on 17/10/2006 00:45:38 Originally by: buo yollocks Chicks you mean wing women surley or youve sold your accont and its some cheap cheap im talking to soz respect m8 o>
hothead Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.17 01:34:00 - [471] lets be brutally honest here guys.... there is no other alliance in EVE atm that can match BOB ... But there is also no need for their members to come on here and make fun of there opponents and slander them because they aint as good as them....if they fight you and they lose they get flamed.. if they dotn fight you and hide to save ships they get flamed.... BOB has managed to get most of the best pvpers in EVE into 1 allaince and then say to the rest of EVE fight us or else.. kinda sad.. I have some freinds in BOB from the old FA and i can also see why they might do it also because of the boredom but that partly is your own doing.... EVOL have become what i seem to recall they would never be.... this aint a flame just my observation since coming back and playing eve... flame me if you must but ive tried to be honest about what i think..
Sebo Darrens Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:22:00 - [472] I can't imagine what would happen if every time there was a node crash, these forums went down too.. 14 pages of nyah nyah nyah - jeez.. redirect your anger into caligraphy or something
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:35:00 - [473] Originally by: Gothikia Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Originally by: Corphus Edited by: Corphus on 16/10/2006 22:25:50 --removed-- best post up to now.... we need more like those... agreed Ohhh my, Goth joined BoB :-) I have to move to the front again :-) ----------------------------------
Blank Protection	Posted - 2006.10.17 05:49:00 - [474] I`m up with all those guys who wants to hunt down and blow up that 160 billion ISK Titan. Nothing futher to say im just a newbie with a Raven that can shoot very straight.
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 06:02:00 - [475] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: buo yollocks Chicks you mean wing women surley or youve sold your accont and its some cheap cheap im talking to You obviously don't know me. I've always been cheap Boy, you can say that again!!!
Grainsalt Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.17 08:15:00 - [476] Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: Gothikia Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Originally by: Corphus Edited by: Corphus on 16/10/2006 22:25:50 --removed-- best post up to now.... we need more like those... agreed Ohhh my, Goth joined BoB :-) I have to move to the front again :-) Haxxxor! Sploit! Tin Foil Hats... !!! Hehe, I liked Goth's temp corp name better, lubzorz the hearts my man. Right, all line up and drop your trousers, we wanna see who has BOB underpants on! --- For T2 Tinfoil Hats, contact Grainsalt ingame.
Remmington Daniels Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 10:23:00 - [477] Originally by: Krystian Wow described 99% of 'leet' mmorpg players Any of you guys check out that Southpark episode making fun of WoW? Kinda reminds of this battle. How can you kill one that has no life?
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 10:33:00 - [478] Originally by: Remmington Daniels Originally by: Krystian Wow described 99% of 'leet' mmorpg players Any of you guys check out that Southpark episode making fun of WoW? Kinda reminds of this battle. How can you kill one that has no life? With The Sword of a Thousand Truths of course!!
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.17 10:38:00 - [479] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Remmington Daniels Originally by: Krystian Wow described 99% of 'leet' mmorpg players Any of you guys check out that Southpark episode making fun of WoW? Kinda reminds of this battle. How can you kill one that has no life? With The Sword of a Thousand Truths of course!! we can't trust the sword of a thousand truth to a n00b Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 10:50:00 - [480] Edited by: Rebellion on 17/10/2006 10:51:45 Quote: EVOL have become what i seem to recall they would never be.... this aint a flame just my observation since coming back and playing eve... flame me if you must but ive tried to be honest about what i think.. This piqued my interest. What exactly do you mean? EVOL's mainly just as it has always been. Perhaps the only change is that we're not as nomadic now than we were. But the kinds of people are the same, the goals are the same, we're still the same kind of people. Perhaps what I miss form the old days was that we had genuine support from different groups outside of EVOL. Now we don't have as much, but it's not so much because we changed, but mainly because most of the groups that supported us are now part of BoB, or are no longer around because we outlasted them. We're also no longer the target of the spotlight because now it's BoB as a whole. The "Molle posts" used to be EVOL flavored only in the early days. It's still the same spirit though. Some things change, some things stay the same even in change. Such is evolution, I'm afraid.
hothead Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.17 13:03:00 - [481] Originally by: Rebellion Edited by: Rebellion on 17/10/2006 10:51:45 Quote: EVOL have become what i seem to recall they would never be.... this aint a flame just my observation since coming back and playing eve... flame me if you must but ive tried to be honest about what i think.. This piqued my interest. What exactly do you mean? EVOL's mainly just as it has always been. Perhaps the only change is that we're not as nomadic now than we were. But the kinds of people are the same, the goals are the same, we're still the same kind of people. Perhaps what I miss form the old days was that we had genuine support from different groups outside of EVOL. Now we don't have as much, but it's not so much because we changed, but mainly because most of the groups that supported us are now part of BoB, or are no longer around because we outlasted them. We're also no longer the target of the spotlight because now it's BoB as a whole. The "Molle posts" used to be EVOL flavored only in the early days. It's still the same spirit though. Some things change, some things stay the same even in change. Such is evolution, I'm afraid. Maybe one day you guys will fly solo again and cause terror to the universe the old fashioned way.... i always remember shamrock podding my alt in ibis when i was following you guys on a system by system raid 1 night.. was alot fun.. heheheh eve has changed so much..... BTW DP mephisto still play?? i recall escorting him out of FA space with his stuff when DP inc collapsed..heh was fun going through fd-mlj... some good old fights with m00 at a gate... think was me abominable/lord undertaker/maybe sarkone....and 1 other in gang raoming around .... slaps him self wake up.. anycase peace and have fun.. i dont like this POS stuff :(
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 13:11:00 - [482] Mephy and the DP boys are kinda inactive atm AFAIK. But they know where home is. We don't particularly like the "POS stuff" either. But Evolution has always played this game to the max, that currently includes T2 production, Outposts, and capital ships. All of those things need POS. We will not down the route of playing the***** roach and leaving that level of play behind to leech off other people. .... Real men use blasters
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.17 15:44:00 - [483] I have not posted in this thread for several reasons, the primary one being I know little of the current conflict other than the smack I read on these boards and the kill mails I can glean from the various sites. I did, however, find this particular .wav file very funny and thought you folks might enjoy it as well: Ctrl-Q FTL
La FemmeFatal Amarr Hot Shots	Posted - 2006.10.17 17:11:00 - [484] Very Very lame ASCN... God i hope you sack your FC after this and whoever is making yor Decisions for ASCN at the moment needs to be shot. mistake mistake mistake. what happened to good old fashioned fighting? you die we die, its all the same!! "aparently" there was not even a bob gang in the system at the time so god knows what spooked them into mass log off. what next for ASCN 1000 bms in each of there cargos? hmmmm I think i will start now taking bets on how long ASCN as an alliance last. I spoke to Hans about Huzzah just b4 HF broke up and in basic short story told him that what he was doing wil be the death of HF and it was. i give ASCN 3 months before u see there numbers down by half and then another 3 months before they split and form a new alliance. the bigger they are the bigger they fall, but they also fall harder!
Kayai Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.17 17:25:00 - [485] BOB log off the same as ASCN and the same as everyone else... The recording from ASCN's COM's highlights more of a worry, the fact that BOB have direct intel. Some call it cheating, BOB claim that it is ASCN's fault for "not securing thier com's" Oh well...
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 17:26:00 - [486] Originally by: La FemmeFatal Very Very lame ASCN... God i hope you sack your FC after this and whoever is making yor Decisions for ASCN at the moment needs to be shot. mistake mistake mistake. what happened to good old fashioned fighting? you die we die, its all the same!! "aparently" there was not even a bob gang in the system at the time so god knows what spooked them into mass log off. what next for ASCN 1000 bms in each of there cargos? hmmmm I think i will start now taking bets on how long ASCN as an alliance last. I spoke to Hans about Huzzah just b4 HF broke up and in basic short story told him that what he was doing wil be the death of HF and it was. i give ASCN 3 months before u see there numbers down by half and then another 3 months before they split and form a new alliance. the bigger they are the bigger they fall, but they also fall harder! 1. Bookmarks in cargo has already been done by ASCN. 2. 3 months?! You're being too generous in my opinion. >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Kayai Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.17 17:29:00 - [487] Originally by: HostageTaker 1. Bookmarks in cargo has already been done by ASCN. If this is true, then it is considered an exploit afaik... ? Why not petition them, get the cheaters banned? I'm sure ASCN's over whelming numbers would have the upper hand if thier was no lag, not sure why they would WANT to lag out every fleet engagement they had tbh
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.17 17:29:00 - [488] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor I have not posted in this thread for several reasons, the primary one being I know little of the current conflict other than the smack I read on these boards and the kill mails I can glean from the various sites. I did, however, find this particular .wav file very funny and thought you folks might enjoy it as well: Ctrl-Q FTL ohh tahnks for sharing this gem! was looking for it since it was modded many pages back, finally given up on listening to the ctrl-q log ------------------ yay, the Deimos has been saved!
JA RULER Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.17 17:31:00 - [489] http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=215983 nice titan loss ASCN. Did i also read somewhere that you used it and killed your own guys by mistake? a pilgrim and a few of your own cov ops? i think you get 1st place though for the most expensive loss ever.
JA RULER Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.17 17:32:00 - [490] Damm its a fake im told... ops and sry and slaps my own wrist..
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.17 17:34:00 - [491] Originally by: JA RULER http://ascn.eve-killboard.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=215983 nice titan loss ASCN. Did i also read somewhere that you used it and killed your own guys by mistake? a pilgrim and a few of your own cov ops? i think you get 1st place though for the most expensive loss ever. No titan has been killed. This is a fake log. Read the previous posts about it and you will see.
Clogs'R'us Caldari Cheesy Poofs	Posted - 2006.10.17 17:38:00 - [492] Makes me wonder how much any of this stuff is real.
Taizu Lilith Minmatar Counterglow Kancho Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.17 17:46:00 - [493] Originally by: Clogs'R'us Makes me wonder how much any of this stuff is real. Bob and ASCN are really having a practice war, to prepare for their campaign to conquer all of EVE and split it between them! :tinfoil:
Ria Sotori Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 17:47:00 - [494] Originally by: Kayai BOB log off the same as ASCN and the same as everyone else... The recording from ASCN's COM's highlights more of a worry, the fact that BOB have direct intel. Some call it cheating, BOB claim that it is ASCN's fault for "not securing thier com's" Oh well... Cant speak for all of b0b but BNC consider it "bad form" and can be grounds to get your booty kicked from the corp for doing it. I myself wont do it. If I did I would never learn how to avoid getting podded just rely on a cheap exploity tactic like most of the n00bs who use it. As to coms well lol duh b0b has spies, ascn has spies and just about everyone else does. thats common knowledge folks. Its what happens when you have multiple character slots. Your playing a war simulation game, intelligence gathering, sabotage, betrayal are all part of it. So lets all at least try to recognize the key word. "GAME" before ppl get there panties in a wad. To often ppl take it to heart and let it ooze into the real world. I did myself once a while back but now I recognize its a game, I wont always win, I wont be able to trust everyone 100% and I deal with it :D
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.10.17 18:00:00 - [495] Originally by: Taizu Lilith Originally by: Clogs'R'us Makes me wonder how much any of this stuff is real. Bob and ASCN are really having a practice war, to prepare for their campaign to conquer all of EVE and split it between them! :tinfoil: Actually they are both mining Veld in AZN...KSUDruid is mining w. 23 harvesters and his wyvern (or how that stupid thing is called) and CYVOK has mounted several strip miner II on the avatar...the good thing: They don't have to do the jetcan-thingy...:P --
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 18:36:00 - [496] Originally by: Kayai I'm sure ASCN's over whelming numbers would have the upper hand if thier was no lag I looked all around me and scanned various systems to find their "overwheliming numbers", but they weren't into the current hotspots, neither in their own 0.0 space. If this lasts too long, I could consider taking a trip to empire to take a few snapshots of the endangered species ASCN pilots represent! Looks like their leaving their natural habitat ... I got the distinct impression that among those "overwhelming numbers", a fair share represent a deadweight in ASCN, the kind that place their own profit before their Alliance's interests. Just my opinion though! ___________________________________________ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing
Josho Tsunetumo Caldari V for Vendetta	Posted - 2006.10.17 18:43:00 - [497] Edited by: Josho Tsunetumo on 17/10/2006 18:45:02 deleted multiple windows opened and parallel forum section whoring 4tl
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.18 00:04:00 - [498] Edited by: Rikeka on 18/10/2006 00:11:37 Edited by: Rikeka on 18/10/2006 00:05:42 Have been told that that .wav file is fake, as BoB has no TS spies, because they don`t need them to win. Also, where has the FIX guys been lately? That file and the Titan fake mail have been commented to death eons ago... PS: As it has been shown that some BoB fanbois/ex BoB`s can`t detect sarcasm for themselves, this is a friendly warning: SARCASM FTW! PS: Never seen an actual ASCN confirmation of the value of that file. Can be a BoB fake file for all I know... It`s hosted on a BoB site, and as Torres and others once said, they don`t have TS spies. :D ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
Gothikia Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 00:55:00 - [499] Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: Gothikia Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Originally by: Corphus Edited by: Corphus on 16/10/2006 22:25:50 --removed-- best post up to now.... we need more like those... agreed Ohhh my, Goth joined BoB :-) I have to move to the front again :-) Yes Zev I did, and you came to play tonight, and did you see you deathmail... see who was on it -------------- Gothi
Rodney Caston Messerschmitt Shipyards The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.18 04:08:00 - [500] Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Can this become any better.... you have: It could... I'd like a large malt.
swordslasher Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.18 05:38:00 - [501] Originally by: La FemmeFatal Very Very lame ASCN... God i hope you sack your FC after this and whoever is making yor Decisions for ASCN at the moment needs to be shot. mistake mistake mistake. what happened to good old fashioned fighting? you die we die, its all the same!! "aparently" there was not even a bob gang in the system at the time so god knows what spooked them into mass log off. what next for ASCN 1000 bms in each of there cargos? hmmmm I think i will start now taking bets on how long ASCN as an alliance last. I spoke to Hans about Huzzah just b4 HF broke up and in basic short story told him that what he was doing wil be the death of HF and it was. i give ASCN 3 months before u see there numbers down by half and then another 3 months before they split and form a new alliance. the bigger they are the bigger they fall, but they also fall harder! Let me start first by saying: You speaketh such as a fool, thus you are. Good old fashioned fighting? AXE regularly "frolicks" with D2 in 68FT and surrounding systems, causing three node crashes in 15 minutes with 50 vs 50. There's no good ole fashioned fighting, the servers can't handle it. I defend one's right to stay logged off after a node crash, or log back in only to be slaughtered one at a time. PVP Chaining BM's in the cargohold is an exploit, logging isn't. ASCN as an Alliance has lasted far longer than anyone with half a clue thought they would. Everyone said ASCN would have to hire some help, bring in all kinds of friends, etc, it has happened to an extent (friends) but, nothing major. To this I say: ASCN is fighting the most "feared", prominent, and "toughest" PVP alliance in the game. Going on one month, ASCN has not lost a system or a station, and the war is still being fought on the borders. BOB is getting tired, ASCN is too much from them. don't take it from me, ask some of the non forum warriors yourself. BOB forum warriors are akin to the Communist government, when the walls are caving in, they'll be there to stand up and tell the rest of the public that the walls are caving in because they want them to, and nothing is amiss.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 05:47:00 - [502] Originally by: swordslasher ASCN is fighting the most "feared", prominent, and "toughest" PVP alliance in the game. Going on one month, ASCN has not lost a system or a station, and the war is still being fought on the borders. BOB is getting tired, ASCN is too much from them. don't take it from me, ask some of the non forum warriors yourself. BOB forum warriors are akin to the Communist government, when the walls are caving in, they'll be there to stand up and tell the rest of the public that the walls are caving in because they want them to, and nothing is amiss. K. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 06:43:00 - [503] Originally by: swordslasher BOB is getting tired, ASCN is too much from them. rofl Again it shows how utterly clueless you guys are.
Krystian Caldari No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.18 07:11:00 - [504] Originally by: Remmington Daniels Originally by: Krystian Wow described 99% of 'leet' mmorpg players Any of you guys check out that Southpark episode making fun of WoW? Kinda reminds of this battle. How can you kill one that has no life? lmao
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 09:06:00 - [505] Originally by: swordslasher BOB is getting tired, ASCN is too much from them. Madeye McCreedy would be proud of you son. In fact that's the best garbage i seen since my first LVL 1 agent mission, before i realised they were crap and decided to blow people like you up instead. It also highlights the case that axe & ascn will always sit there wondering if their gang mates are logging in after a node crash, when i KNOW that if 150 people crashed with the node, and are ordered to log on again, i have 149 of my alliance mates doing so with me. As for the one month milarky, ask any GNW vet in BoB how long that went on for. About 10 months to a year; this isn't even the end of the first round and we're having a riot. Keep chugging down whatever you're on though champ, sounds like good stuff. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.18 09:14:00 - [506] Originally by: Rift Scorn In fact that's the best garbage i seen since my first LVL 1 agent mission, before i realised they were crap and decided to blow people like you up instead. Lvl 1 missions? I though they were a myth. ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 10:05:00 - [507] Discussing McGuy propaganda might give tricky results. First, if you let ASCN members beliave what their leadeship is telling them, their moral would be higher and there would be more ships in space to shoot at (More of them logging for fights)...and more fun and cans in the end. Second, If you laugh at these words from their leadership...you would do honorble thing of saving some souls from becoming shallow sheeps. But they will not want to follow "the wisdom" anymore. Hmm.....final result would be the same, never the less, speaking from my personal optimistic perception. Hmm...what to choose...keep them hypnotised by they leadership and shoot them over and over....or feel sorry for them, and have less targets in space? IF YOU SEE ME WHINING OR NERVOUS THEN THERE ARE IDIOTS NEAR BY
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.10.18 11:20:00 - [508] Originally by: Rikeka Originally by: Rift Scorn In fact that's the best garbage i seen since my first LVL 1 agent mission, before i realised they were crap and decided to blow people like you up instead. Lvl 1 missions? I though they were a myth. you do talk too much for a useless guy. Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
TURBOman Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 11:31:00 - [509] Both celes and BE in an alliance ? What's this game comming to Mods won't let me keep my sigs :S
Zeveron Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.18 11:58:00 - [510] Originally by: Gothikia Originally by: Zeveron Originally by: Gothikia Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Originally by: Corphus Edited by: Corphus on 16/10/2006 22:25:50 --removed-- best post up to now.... we need more like those... agreed Ohhh my, Goth joined BoB :-) I have to move to the front again :-) Yes Zev I did, and you came to play tonight, and did you see you deathmail... see who was on it hehe was fun attacking that dread :-) I ll get you next time :-) ----------------------------------
swordslasher Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.18 12:10:00 - [511] Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: swordslasher BOB is getting tired, ASCN is too much from them. Madeye McCreedy would be proud of you son. In fact that's the best garbage i seen since my first LVL 1 agent mission, before i realised they were crap and decided to blow people like you up instead. It also highlights the case that axe & ascn will always sit there wondering if their gang mates are logging in after a node crash, when i KNOW that if 150 people crashed with the node, and are ordered to log on again, i have 149 of my alliance mates doing so with me. As for the one month milarky, ask any GNW vet in BoB how long that went on for. About 10 months to a year; this isn't even the end of the first round and we're having a riot. Keep chugging down whatever you're on though champ, sounds like good stuff. BOB is running around in interceptors, and frigates, versus the battleships everyone was bringing out in the first two weeks. I keep a watch on the 'efficiency' of the war via ASCN's killboards, and when it first started, it was at 30 to 40%, pretty decent, and it suddenly fell from that to about 14%. Today it stands at 18.08%, up 0.08% from my original post. If BOB is wiping the floor with ASCN, why is ASCN getting better? <- Axiom Empire. I don't report, nor give a flying crap what McCreedy says, we don't need to go to TPAR or Period Basis at all, we're having more fun smartbombing your interceptors when they roam into 68FT. Enjoy the war, but I'll apply some logic, not propaganda to this. ASCN has more friends, and more active members than bob, which means there's more members who can take a break from the fighting, recoup their losses, and come back in a week to carry on kicking ass while the rest of the ASCN forces fight to hold the line. Can BOB do that? I don't think so, and it would be really bad if someone was hired, or even decieded to venture into say, fountain, and start taking stations. BOB in two places at once? not likely!
Lag Fest Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 12:22:00 - [512] and u actually belive the crap u're saying or is this just another pathetic attempt to boost ASCS's failing morale? _______________________________________
Horatio Starkiller Minmatar TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 12:24:00 - [513] Originally by: swordslasher BOB is running around in interceptors, and frigates, versus the battleships everyone was bringing out in the first two weeks. I keep a watch on the 'efficiency' of the war via ASCN's killboards, and when it first started, it was at 30 to 40%, pretty decent, and it suddenly fell from that to about 14%. Today it stands at 18.08%, up 0.08% from my original post. If BOB is wiping the floor with ASCN, why is ASCN getting better? <- Axiom Empire. I don't report, nor give a flying crap what McCreedy says, we don't need to go to TPAR or Period Basis at all, we're having more fun smartbombing your interceptors when they roam into 68FT. Enjoy the war, but I'll apply some logic, not propaganda to this. ASCN has more friends, and more active members than bob, which means there's more members who can take a break from the fighting, recoup their losses, and come back in a week to carry on kicking ass while the rest of the ASCN forces fight to hold the line. Can BOB do that? I don't think so, and it would be really bad if someone was hired, or even decieded to venture into say, fountain, and start taking stations. BOB in two places at once? not likely! The reason for the drop is that some muppet faked a titan killmail on the ascn boards, the reason for the increase in 'efficiency' it's prolly due to ascn board applying market prices for t2 items which are more than inflated (if the ascn board valued there t2 items at build cost it'd prolly be far more accurate :P). As for ascn having more friends and greater numbers... they've brought their friends in, they've hired mercs (2 of which have been invalidated when i was last flying). There still only fighting BoB we haven't called in any aid yet and as to whether we would I can't say but i think it's unlikely cause we've all having bloody good fun and we wanna keep it to ourselves :-P Please have your corp logo/char name shown in your signature -Eldo
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.10.18 12:27:00 - [514] you know, half of the readers here dont read the thread nor care for that at all, but just browse this thread for your SW signatures :D those are brilliant lol ------ relaxed corp looking for members
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 12:32:00 - [515] Originally by: Splagada you know, half of the readers here dont read the thread nor care for that at all, but just browse this thread for your SW signatures :D those are brilliant lol Im so glad Im not the only one! I also can't get enough of these Cyvok and "Madeye" McCreedy Posts/Blogs. It was worth having this war alone just to read those beauties.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 12:45:00 - [516] Originally by: swordslasher BOB is running around in interceptors, and frigates, versus the battleships everyone was bringing out in the first two weeks. Oh, the humour. We're running round in interceptors and frigates when we gank your ships at your pos and when we need to chase you down in your space because that ctrl+q seems to be linked more to F1-F8 than your guns are. Originally by: swordslasher I keep a watch on the 'efficiency' of the war via ASCN's killboards, and when it first started, it was at 30 to 40%, pretty decent, and it suddenly fell from that to about 14%. Today it stands at 18.08%, up 0.08% from my original post. If BOB is wiping the floor with ASCN, why is ASCN getting better? Wow, up not even a full percent, up after apparently falling a full ~20%. Go you! Originally by: swordslasher Can BOB do that? I don't think so, and it would be really bad if someone was hired, or even decieded to venture into say, fountain, and start taking stations. BOB in two places at once? not likely! Do it. No seriously, get up there and have a go. Don't think we can defend it? We're calling your bluff. We are MORE than happy to face 10x our numbers. We have the will, the skill and the guns to back it up. You lot, however, are nothing but fluster. You know what our guys do when we give them time off? They go kill. I actually have to ORDER our pilots to stop and make money. You can only dream of that attitude, especially when you've apparently got all these friends and are still getting your rear end handed to you every day.
BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 12:48:00 - [517] Originally by: swordslasher BOB is running around in interceptors, and frigates, versus the battleships everyone was bringing out in the first two weeks. What do you mean? We use battleships as much as before. The reason why you down in your turf aren't seeing them is because our battleship gangs are busy chaining your buddies in TBAG. However, usually we don't have to commit that many people into the chaining duty, so we have smaller squads roaming deeper into the Shire - and by all accounts they are doing a damn brilliant job. Quote: I keep a watch on the 'efficiency' of the war via ASCN's killboards, and when it first started, it was at 30 to 40%, pretty decent, and it suddenly fell from that to about 14%. I don't particularily care about these efficency stats, since they are measured and counted in such a weird manner. All I can see is that we have killed a big, big load of ASCN ships during the war, and we've had a blast doing it. Long may this war continue. Quote: Enjoy the war, but I'll apply some logic, not propaganda to this. ASCN has more friends, and more active members than bob, which means there's more members who can take a break from the fighting, recoup their losses, and come back in a week to carry on kicking ass while the rest of the ASCN forces fight to hold the line. I've yet to see a single BoB member to be disgruntled about this war. We're extremely happy and excited about exploderizing stuff - And to be honest, one could say that we've got the hots for Pendulum now. I can't really understand where all this "BoB are breaking" stuff is coming from. Hell, we're barely getting started and you fellas are already waving all kinds of flags around. As for the "rest of ASCN forces" argument.. Right now it looks like it's the other way around. We keep on seeing the same faces fighting us and getting demoralized in TBAG while the huge bulk of the alliance is freeloading isk for themselves back deep and away from the front. Quote: Can BOB do that? I don't think so, and it would be really bad if someone was hired, or even decieded to venture into say, fountain, and start taking stations. BOB in two places at once? not likely! I'm surprised to see so many arguments and speculation about pilot numbers, ISK and creating multiple fronts from your side. Please, test us and try it. I'm fairly sure we'd love the challenge. ------------------- -
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.18 12:49:00 - [518] Originally by: Louisa Torres You know what our guys do when we give them time off? They go kill. I actually have to ORDER our pilots to stop and make money. This is truer than you might ever believe. The Dark Lord consults the Force under his tinfoil helm..
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 12:51:00 - [519] Everyone else beat me, but since i spent time on this... Originally by: swordslasher BOB is running around in interceptors, and frigates, versus the battleships everyone was bringing out in the first two weeks. Utter tripe. From day one we have operated roaming frigate / HAC gangs inside ASCN space, and Battleship fleets on the front lines. Go have a quick look at last nightÆs massacre for confirmation of that. Originally by: swordslasher I keep a watch on the 'efficiency' of the war via ASCN's killboards, and when it first started, it was at 30 to 40%, pretty decent, and it suddenly fell from that to about 14%.Today it stands at 18.08%, up 0.08% from my original post. If BOB is wiping the floor with ASCN, why is ASCN getting better? Please explain your efficiency calculations. Correct me if IÆm wrong, but what I think you are saying is that because ASCN have improved from unbelievably appalling to miserably ineffective, we arenÆt wiping the floor with them. Originally by: swordslasher à..we're having more fun smartbombing your interceptors when they roam into 68FT. Please continue to kill my alliance mates who are too dumb to follow the instruction ô Frigates, donÆt go within smarty range of a solo BS.ö You are doing us a favour, they will learn. Originally by: swordslasher Enjoy the war. Thanks, you too. Originally by: swordslasher ASCN has more friends, and more active members than bob, which means there's more members who can take a break from the fighting, recoup their losses, and come back in a week to carry on kicking ass while the rest of the ASCN forces fight to hold the line. Can BOB do that? I don't think so. Where are there friends? And if they have so many more ACTIVE members, why do we see repeated entreaties from HC for more people to come to the front line, to the extent of having to organise, and keep a record of corp participation in front line operations and rotate the contributing corps out. BoB doesnÆt have to do it, because we arenÆt losing 80+ battleships per day regularly. Originally by: swordslasher and it would be really bad if someone was hired, or even decieded to venture into say, fountain, and start taking stations. BOB in two places at once? not likely! Sorry, why would this be bad? Targets in our own space, near our supply depots. BOO HOO !!! Since itÆs inception, BoB has existed under the ôthreatö that all the people that donÆt like us would come and invade our space. What makes you think ASCN will be any more successful in orchestrating this than the others who have failed miserably to get their schemes off the ground. And as for being in two places at once, jump clones are your friends. .... Real men use blasters
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.18 12:56:00 - [520] bob are GMs GMs can be bought with isk bob can be bought with isk. there's the solution. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Magnus Thermopyle Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.18 13:11:00 - [521] I dont know how the war is going, but if I would guess based on the post (and how the attitude has changed), I would say that ASCN is doing way better than expected. If BoB where half as good as they say they are, this war would be over by now. Instead the war is currently fought in BoB space. Not exactly what I call a surgical strike into ASCN territory
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 13:14:00 - [522] Edited by: Robert Dobbs on 18/10/2006 13:16:35 This thread in summary: ASCN think they'll win because their leaders are lying to the members flat out, falsifying killmails (ofc claiming that BoB are responsible) and blaming any losses on lag/hacks. BoB think they'll win because they are winning. And this isn't smack, this is the truth. Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle Not exactly what I call a surgical strike into ASCN territory What gave you the impression that we're going to actually siege their territory? We're just killing them. And every day they are growing weaker. Originally by: SirMolle Tick, Tock. - If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. - -CYVOK-
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 13:18:00 - [523] Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle I dont know how the war is going, but if I would guess based on the post (and how the attitude has changed), I would say that ASCN is doing way better than expected. If BoB where half as good as they say they are, this war would be over by now. Instead the war is currently fought in BoB space. Not exactly what I call a surgical strike into ASCN territory el oh el. How's the war with RA going? No wait... A good thing the people in charge of LV aren't as dense as the rank and file, hey?
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 13:20:00 - [524] Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle I dont know how the war is going, but if I would guess based on the post (and how the attitude has changed), I would say that ASCN is doing way better than expected. If BoB where half as good as they say they are, this war would be over by now. Instead the war is currently fought in BoB space. Not exactly what I call a surgical strike into ASCN territory Where did we say we were going to make a surgical strike into ASCN territory? You are confusing a lack of territorial gain with us not completing our war objectives. I forgive you your mistake because you aren't aware of our objectives, strategic planning or time table. .... Real men use blasters
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.18 13:21:00 - [525] Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle I dont know how the war is going, but if I would guess based on the post (and how the attitude has changed), I would say that ASCN is doing way better than expected. If BoB where half as good as they say they are, this war would be over by now. Instead the war is currently fought in BoB space. Not exactly what I call a surgical strike into ASCN territory sorry magnus but i honestly hope that you dont believe half of the bollox you just posted. Whenever did a war between 2 of the biggest ingame factions end in under 2 weeks ? Whenever did killing an alliance work as a surgical strike ? Eve is a game where "damage over time" and "moral" matters above any other tactical or strategical evaluations. You should know that seeing how you fought alongside PA who couldnt muster even 100 bs to help you out while they had hundreds freeloading. PA didnt die in 1 day despite it beeing overdue many many times why should Ascn ? Ascn for sure is feeling the heat, losses mount up, internal tension builds up (FC getting shouted at, some corps not pulling the weight) all those are well documented from the ASCN blogs not from hostile PR. BoB stated right from the start that they were looking at a long campaign and that it would take weeks if not months before they would go into a pos/station/capital conflict. They stated pretty much right away "we wanna kill, kill them all". Ascn claims that bobs moral is folding seems hillarious, considering they didnt even complete "phase one" yet and basically just started the war with some raids and some fleetbattles. Anyone knowing bobs past history - from the defeats of FA, PA, GNW- knows fairly well that they have a long breath and that 2 weeks mean nothing for a fighting force setup for "a long war". Whatever you may call bob, unprepared is one of the things i wouldnt call them as show time after time. So personally im quiet sure they know whats on the road for them and what it takes. Atleast they know that going for an alliance with 20+ outposts and stations will require more then 2 weeks of fleetbattles and roaming. Unless you have info about Ascn internally folding and you didnt mention them yet ?
Lizaa Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 13:25:00 - [526] Ok first. Why go thru all the trouble of extending supply lines when your diner is served at your doorstep. Seriously, its about supply and demand. ASCN continues to supply us with fleet fights on our front porch. BoB demands you keep this up(tho i doubt you will.) Originally by: swordslasher Can BOB do that? I don't think so, and it would be really bad if someone was hired, or even decieded to venture into say, fountain, and start taking stations. BOB in two places at once? not likely! well im betting i can hold out without resuplimenting my wallet longer then they can... but its jsut a guess. /me ***s open the tech2 wallet... then closes is realizing ascn are dying by the hoards and he isnt.. enjoy the bbq i know we are. Got Grief? Lizaa Director of GriefTactics StudiosÖ RKK Ranking(CAL6) Tanto - 200 kills, (GAL5) +lFve officier - 150 kills**
Lizaa Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 13:28:00 - [527] Edited by: Lizaa on 18/10/2006 13:29:35 Ok first. Why go thru all the trouble of extending supply lines when your diner is served at your doorstep. Seriously, its about supply and demand. ASCN continues to supply us with fleet fights on our front porch. BoB demands you keep this up(tho i doubt you will.) Originally by: swordslasher Enjoy the war, but I'll apply some logic, not propaganda to this. ASCN has more friends, and more active members than bob, which means there's more members who can take a break from the fighting, recoup their losses, and come back in a week to carry on kicking ass while the rest of the ASCN forces fight to hold the line. Can BOB do that? I don't think so, and it would be really bad if someone was hired, or even decieded to venture into say, fountain, and start taking stations. BOB in two places at once? not likely! well im betting i can hold out without resuplimenting my wallet longer then they can... but its jsut a guess. /me breaks open the tech2 wallet... then closes it realizing ascn are dying by the hoards and he isnt.. enjoy the bbq i know we are. Got Grief? *Lizaa Director of GriefTactics StudiosÖ* RKK Ranking(CAL6) Tanto - 200 kills, (GAL5) +lFve officier - 150 kills
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 14:27:00 - [528] Edited by: Dr Einkeisel on 18/10/2006 14:27:46 heh just read the above posts, pretty much summed up what I wanted to say no point in repeating it
Jiara Castoumi Caldari Contract Accountancy Service	Posted - 2006.10.18 14:35:00 - [529] Quote: I keep a watch on the 'efficiency' of the war via ASCN's killboards, and when it first started, it was at 30 to 40%, pretty decent, and it suddenly fell from that to about 14%. Keep in mind that the Residents of BoB Space are included in the Kill/Loss ratio which effects the efficiency. Which isnt very efficient if you ask me, its another lie in the ascn hat :)
Atreus Minmatarius The Moral Majority	Posted - 2006.10.18 14:44:00 - [530] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh You are confusing a lack of territorial gain with us not completing our war objectives. I forgive you your mistake because you aren't aware of our objectives, strategic planning or time table. Impressive. Not stating any objectives, strategy, timetable or anything for that matter... Like that it is immpossible for you to actually "lose"... brilliant. No, this is not a flame or sarcasm I actually appreciate and enjoy what you are doing here. Good thing is that ASCN is not doing the same cause then it would be quite confusing. maybe they should though it would allow them to lose hundreds of BS and still "win"... Now, it's gonna get a little silly if ASCN and co. takes over couple of stations and you say: "Well maybe that is part of the plan, what do you know?" Evryone knows that the scenario is as unlikely as a catholic priest molesting a teenage girl....
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:06:00 - [531] Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/10/2006 15:06:29 Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Originally by: Fi T'Zeh You are confusing a lack of territorial gain with us not completing our war objectives. I forgive you your mistake because you aren't aware of our objectives, strategic planning or time table. Impressive. Not stating any objectives, strategy, timetable or anything for that matter... Like that it is immpossible for you to actually "lose"... brilliant. No, this is not a flame or sarcasm I actually appreciate and enjoy what you are doing here. Good thing is that ASCN is not doing the same cause then it would be quite confusing. maybe they should though it would allow them to lose hundreds of BS and still "win"... Now, it's gonna get a little silly if ASCN and co. takes over couple of stations and you say: "Well maybe that is part of the plan, what do you know?" Evryone knows that the scenario is as unlikely as a catholic priest molesting a teenage girl.... That's the beauty of war and a long term campaign. ANYONE can take ANYTHING. Holding onto it beyond a week or two is where the problem occurs for most alliances. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:23:00 - [532] Edited by: DB Preacher on 18/10/2006 15:23:31 Actually, I'm going to expand a little on that last post of mine. The GNW is being mentioned a fair bit in these discussions. I wanted to bring up a point that I made during the GNW. I can't find the exact post but I said something like "it doesn't matter about isk, ship losses, territory, spies or anything else. The only thing that this war will come down to is desire. Who wants it most?" I stand by that again. This war, for however long it goes on for will come down to one thing... desire. Do ASCN have the desire to die twice in a day (hi avancade) and get back in a new ship and back into the fleet within 24 hours? Do ASCN have the desire to lose a Freighter (hi dianabolic) and have a brand new one resupplied, moved and the freighter run completed within 24 hours? Do ASCN have the desire to put their biggest and best ships out on the front line a couple of hours after they pop out of the oven (Hi Shrike's first Revelation) just in order to get a bit of a fight? I've finally entered the campaign this week and from what I have seen, I can honestly say that they are not showing the same desire that I have come to recognise and love from members of RKK and BOB. That isn't propaganda, that isn't rubbish spilled onto the forums, it's simply experience. I've seen everything in the game, I've fought in more wars than most of ASCN put together. I could write a thesis on what they are doing wrong and how they are playing into our hands with every ill-enforced, rushed through, illogical move they are making. And I love it. It's good to be back. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 16:20:00 - [533] Originally by: Magnus Thermopyle I dont know how the war is going, but if I would guess based on the post (and how the attitude has changed), I would say that ASCN is doing way better than expected. If BoB where half as good as they say they are, this war would be over by now. Instead the war is currently fought in BoB space. Not exactly what I call a surgical strike into ASCN territory I think you said quite enough to shoot yourself in the foot without me elaborating.
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.18 16:24:00 - [534] Originally by: Dr Einkeisel not my fault they type quicker then me. Forum whoring level 5 still not trained He's new, he'll learn. We tell our pilots to train "lamenode hax" lvl 5 before forum w***ing these days. .... Real men use blasters
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.18 16:51:00 - [535] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Originally by: Dr Einkeisel not my fault they type quicker then me. Forum whoring level 5 still not trained He's new, he'll learn. We tell our pilots to train "lamenode hax" lvl 5 before forum w***ing these days. i read that as lemonade hax i've been staring at this screen too long >: )
Drake Modain	Posted - 2006.10.18 17:54:00 - [536] I've spent so much time reading these threads, reading the kill boards, etc etc and just as a casual observer I have to marvel at the spin ASCN puts on things. You can call me bias or not bias whatever, but I've always spent a lot of times on forums and sifting through what is BS and what isn't BS and applying them to numerous games. How can you 'spin' a 77 to 0 battleship loss into a positive? Why would you even try? I look at number's like that and I think to myself....something is either broke with the game, or broke with ASCN to allow that. I mean for christ sake if you have a blob of 77 battleships and you fail to kill even 1 ship.....wow. If you even launched 1 volley at a ship at least you'd take 1 down....is BOB doing something you can't figure out how to do yourselves? This CAN'T simply be a 'they have more missile/whatever skills and better fitted ships'. They also have less than half your numbers in these fleet battles. Obviously there's more going on here than the casual observer can easily figure out, and whatever is going on ASCN is either totally incapable of figuring out how/why they are losing, or totally incapable of doing anything about it. Some day I'll figure out the game mechanics allowing this kind of neutering to occur, but until then bravo BOB. This has nothing to do with economics or logistics. BoB isn't even having to tap their industrial sub-corps for assitance yet because they simply aren't losin anything and I imagine the loot they get is far outweighing any losses. ASCN is obviously too big, with too many corps in it to have any kind of good organization/logistics. This is akin to the roman legions taking on ridiculously larger armies with superior technology experience and discipline/organization and destroying them. If you're incompetent you cant hrow a million ships at someone and you lose a million ships. ASCN needs to re-org and find real leaders fast, but it's probably too late. This is what's going to happen. Even if ASCN can replace their daily losses with 4 hours of industrial mining, it's not happening. All the industrials aren't contributing 100% of income to fuel the war. The logistics in ship construction was obviously not thought out in advance. There's no flow of equipment/ship t2 items. I can only assume this is due to the catastrophic losses daily that ASCN leadership couldn't have possibly prepared for such losses each day on such ahigh skill without preparing in advance all the building needs they would require on a 'worst case scenario' daily. The irony is BOB probably couldn't handle it either if they faced such losses, but they simply aren't. All the money in the world doens't help your alliance when your army loses it's will to fight. An individual player who plays for fun can't login, lose 2-3 battleships a day, ever day with almost nothing to show for it and keep 'wanting' to fight. What's going to happen is really rather simple. ASCN will quickly start to fracture, corps will split off, take their 1 or 2 stations and break off ASCN. The alliance will start to fall apart, and split into many different groups and try to defend their small piece of the pie because for morale reasons (and the inner ego) they will all think well ascn might suck but we can defend our own space. After that...does bob come in for the jugular and try to control all their space and the newly abandoned ascn space? maybe, time will tell. I just don't see this war lasting that long. Many people I've talked to through the ASCN industrial juggernaut which could cover an endless barage of losses would simply, eventually, overwhelm the much smaller bob armies, but that only works when you have an almost religious fantaticism to your army and that simply doesn't exist in a game. You have to, as an alliance, be willing to spend every day dieing if you want to win at this point. I dont' see that happening, so cya around ascn
Ashlire Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.18 18:06:00 - [537] Edited by: Ashlire on 18/10/2006 18:07:23 How to lose 75+ battleships with no kills: 1) Position a fleet on a gate, knowing that there is an enemy fleet on the other side of the gate. 2) When part of the enemy fleet jumps into you, realize that you can't handle their fleet at zero range, because you have sniper battleships sitting on a gate. 3) Mistakenly think that the whole enemy fleet is coming through. 4) Order "JUMP". 5) Watch as the game lags everybody out. Some people make it through, most people crash. 6) Order people who crashed to log back in to get into the fight. 7) Watch as your ships show up on the other side of the gate one at a time, to be picked off in an easy turkey shoot for the remainder of the enemy fleet which didn't jump through the gate like you thought they were going to. This leads to trying other tactics later, such as logging in one scout after the game does a mass disconnect, who then reports that the enemy has either logged back in and reformed already or else was never disconnected, which then leads to ordering people not to log back in or for anybody who has logged back in to ctrl-q. At which point this order gets posted and ridiculed instead of the log-in-and-lose-75-ships order - but at least there weren't 75 ships lost again that time. In short, the most spectacularly bad numbers have generally been the result of a few bad individual decisions, which can be linked to a simple lack of experience. Jumping 75 battleships into an enemy camp might actually work decently if all 75 ships would show up together on the other side. The commander who ordered it apparently didn't know that his ships would show up 1 at a time and all die alone. ASCN started out with a lot of learning to do. Some of that learning has been done, and now rather than get probed out at safespots near a gate or crash jumping into a fleet or log back in 1 at a time after a disconnect, they sit at POSes waiting for the right time to move. It's not a lot of fun, but it's difficult, expensive, and embarassing to learn the hard way that there is a long list of things that sound like decent ideas but don't actually work.
Erin Kingsman Gallente A.W.M	Posted - 2006.10.18 18:09:00 - [538] btw drake show your corp or prepare to be modded.
Robet Katrix Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.19 15:44:00 - [539] In general i think this war has alot of promise yet to come. I personally think that ASCN are doing well, but at a horrid cost, and they are making many mistakes. Their desire or foolishness in engaging BOB in continual fleetfights is a poor idea. Being that fleet fighting is one of BOB's well sharpened abilities I do not understand why they choose to swing a wooden sword against a steel one. Now that they have broken many of their wooden swords, they seem to have smartened up a good bit. Many if not the greater portions of ASCN losses that i can see on their Killboards are not from fleet fights but random ganking throughout their space. While wolf packs/gank squads etc. have ever been easy to deal with/eliminate, the tools ARE there to remove and minimize the losses they will inflict. My real wonder on this being how long will it take. The real interesting aspect of this war is how is it going to play out once the massive POS warfare game comes into play. If i were in ASCN's position I would be hiring people from RA or Coalition to advise me on the way in which to handle POS affairs, since no war over the last year has been as POS heavy as RA and the Coalitions trench war. When it comes to KB effeciency, since the now posted Titan KM cannot be removed, I support Ascn's counter by posting a BOB one. it does screw with the acutal number or percentage but it in all cases is something i believe to be only fair. I think many people expected BOB to roll into ASCN space, much like ascn did to Tribal souls and have half of Paragon Soul contested within a week. The full of it contested within two weeks and the war for PS to be over within a month. there are many possibilities to how this will play out, but at this time i would have to call it, as i think is well paraphrased on the ASCN forums as a stalemate. While BOB are destroying ASCN with uncanny skill, they have yet to move into ascn territory save a lone POS. Most of this war is being fought in BOB space and until it moves into paragon soul i will believe that the pendulum is swinging in tandem.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.19 17:29:00 - [540] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 19/10/2006 17:31:47 Quote: Most of this war is being fought in BOB space and until it moves into paragon soul i will believe that the pendulum is swinging in tandem. That's quite a strange viewpoint really. I don't know why everyone here seems to instantly assume that we would choose to invade ascn space as soon as possible if it is our goal to do so at all. How about you assume for a second that so far, there've been no suprises for BoB, that no deviation from the plan made beforehand has been required and that things are going more or less exactly as we want them to or expected them to. Then think about that for a bit and see if you can fit that into reality in some way that it makes sense to you. That's your answer right there. Everyone knows fighting is what makes us tick. Everyone can see that there's no pressure on us within our own space at all (look where our deaths occurr and how many it is compared to say, two months ago when things were quiet), then what fantastic sense of logic can lead to the conclusion that our morale is going down ? Why the hell would it ? ASCN have nothing, literally nothing, going for them in this war so far. Not even the fact that they hang out in TCAG, since they're achieving no strategic or tactical advantage by beign there so far. I'm sure they think they do, but then that wish has yet to be translated into actual reality by the genie they must have consulted. It's one jump from our natural base of operations, their presence doesn't hinder us at all so far and has only led to embarassing losses and internal bickering up to now. Mr. Mccreedy is staunchly convinced he'll turn the chess game around because he has found "tactics to counter BoB's counter-tactics" or something to that extent, but all that that involves so far is rotating around corps in TCAG so that the dying is shared more equally, and promoting some guy that probably managed to lose fights in the least embarrasing way during the last week to the rank of "centurion". I've personally already seen a few (marginally) better plans of attack from other ASCN members, but those reside in corp forums and won't be uttered in alliance communications seeing how any challenger to the spot of "Combat Strategy Genius" that Mr. Mccreedy has elevated himself into would not stand much chance of doing more then make himself become a nice target for an exercise of "kick the scapegoat". After all (quote !)"sitting at a POS for over a week has only been caused due to a lack of will in this alliance, not through tactics of mine"], after he said earlier that sitting in the pos for days on end may be required, but would eventually lead to victory... The funniest part about that particular phenomenon actually is that a few of those internal posts made in ASCN corp forums that actually make some combat-sense are found within the mining corps, and not the "pvp" corps. Carebears beating Mr. Mccreedy at strategy, who would have thought that ? I'll be reading further with great interest, so far I've only seen more reasons to expect that we're in for loads more fun. Old blog
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.19 20:56:00 - [541] You my friend have to much time on your hands.. Type and read all this stuff.. and spie on the ASCN forums... just wow. http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/5624/cupfinalcopyiw0.jpg Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Forum Moderator
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.19 23:06:00 - [542] Originally by: Cupdeez You my friend have to much time on your hands.. Type and read all this stuff.. and spie on the ASCN forums... just wow. You aren't even an involved party and yet you take the time to read 18 pages of posts, make your own post, and then tell Rob he has too much time on his hands.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.19 23:15:00 - [543] Originally by: Cupdeez You my friend have to much time on your hands.. Type and read all this stuff.. and spie on the ASCN forums... just wow. Hello blame-monkey, you owe us some proof, where is it?
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.19 23:57:00 - [544] Originally by: Robet Katrix Most of this war is being fought in BOB space and until it moves into paragon soul i will believe that the pendulum is swinging in tandem. As it has been said, look closer...
IntegralHellsing Gallente Blazing Saddles	Posted - 2006.10.20 08:49:00 - [545] Edited by: IntegralHellsing on 20/10/2006 08:52:38 some bob are fighting in ASCN territory, while a few ASCN are fighting in BoB territory. just a question to ASCN. Where did you put your titans away? The reason i quit ASCN was because CYVOK didn't bother too much with his titan, and i thought it was waste of alliance money not making the most use out of it. ps. oh, couple of ASCN members seem to be 'pirating' in empire, even if the target is neutral. Gangkers corp was engaged even if they are neutral to ASCN (i think it is called 'Gankers'). I was in Raverin system (or whatever it was called.) and this ASCN guy engaged a 'Gankers corp' hauler but was drove off by some other local pilots who saw that he was up to no good. and BEFORE THAT happened, he tried to engage me in Egghelende with his buddy. (was at a planet and he kept on warping in and out. well my corp decided that he was up to no good so we engaged him. thx for the loot.) so ASCN. if you want to win, stop your members doing random piracy in empire, first. ------------------------------
IntegralHellsing Gallente Blazing Saddles	Posted - 2006.10.20 10:53:00 - [546] Edited by: IntegralHellsing on 20/10/2006 10:53:52 False Propaganda: BoB Titan DESTROYED! Link There goes another fake killmail ------------------------------
Depp Knight Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 11:27:00 - [547] Originally by: IntegralHellsing Edited by: IntegralHellsing on 20/10/2006 10:53:52 False Propaganda: BoB Titan DESTROYED! Link There goes another fake killmail and apparently our killboard is false
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.10.20 12:10:00 - [548] got killed so hard the corpname changed under impact :D "corp:Evoultion" ------ relaxed corp looking for members
Robet Katrix Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.20 16:39:00 - [549] Edited by: Robet Katrix on 20/10/2006 16:39:32 Originally by: Rod Blaine post to big to quote but its only like 6 posts up From the top, and I apologize for not responding earlier since EVE-0 was down in my province all day apparently and this is the second time i have had to type this out now since eve ate this post the first time. I run under that assumption that territorial gain was the goal because that is the assumption i was left with after sirmolle's 2 opening posts. It is quite possible that your strategic timeline is much mroe fluid and prolonged than i think, but especially because of the one week timeline Molle gave i was led to that conclusion. I can fully accept that that may be true, im just gonig on the assumptions what i have read so far have led me to believe. I dont think that i actually said BOB morale was going down as you claimed i did, as personally i think it is the opposite and that ascn is doing everything it can to keep propping up themselves. I terms of TCAG/TPAR (funny that the names would be so similar) if your goals are NOT what i assume, which although not 100% convinced on yet, am fully willing to belive they may not be, then all ascn is doing at the moment is further facilitation what i would consider to be an excellent strategy by BOB of wearing down enemy resources, and hurting enemy morale. I will 100% agree with you on several parts of the McCreedy points. I belive the rotation is horrible idea, being as it stands it will only alienate the corps fighting at one time from those fighting at another time. "Why didn't you score as many kills as us when you were on rotation?" I will also agree with ASCN's FC problems. the fact of the matter being that a HC down system doesn't allow for proper player to leader input, and to be honest none of the plans used by ascn so far have been any good or taken and course of action that actually plays to their strengths and BOB's weaknesses. the hostility shown to anyone willing to speak up and contradict those plans is in truth one of the big limiters of creativity. If Ascn is going to continue to fight and fight well at some point certain HC policies or their whole HC system is going to need to be revamped. Although a single figurehead such as cyvok does not seem a problem. Its the people directly under him that do. Edit : and cupz..... get a life. dont criticize people for reading ALL the information before making a post. its 90% of the problem on these forums.
Gothikia Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.20 23:51:00 - [550] Originally by: DB Preacher I know, I'm just winding you up ;) And yes, a castle in Scotland is one of the options. I'm going to wear a kilt and sheep will be on tap. dbp if its anywhere near glasgow i wanna come
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 01:41:00 - [551] Originally by: Robet Katrix I personally think that ASCN are doing well, but at a horrid cost, and they are making many mistakes. TBH i would lik e to know ur personal definition of doing well since what i see from ASCN part is nothing more than faliure at every front , i aint flaming your pov i am curious to know sicne here are some facts . ASCN are losing every single major fleet fight they have with us , their losses are staggering , their supply lines are geting raided every day , their so called invasion to bob space was halted day one and every single POS they erected ( i stopped counting after the 13 large towers we popped ) was destoryed and today they only have one last remaining tower in tcag which means nothing soverignty wise, their leadership is failining in addressing their short comining and just waste space by spreading lies and false hope to its memebers , individual corps claiming weird stats just to look good, i wont start on K/L ratio coz it is blatnely obvious on both kbs and is admited by several ASCN memebers who see things clearly. So with all that how can they be doing well? The only reason ASCN hasnt lost space is that we havent started to claim any yet , we are just having fun atm but once the hammer falls and we decide to steam roll i think the effect will be very obvious but i will leave it to that time. "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 01:45:00 - [552] In order to understand the goals of BoB, you simply need to realize what BoB is: BoB is an alliance that spends every minute in EVE either fighting or preparing for combat. Everything else we do, whether it be trading, mission running, researching, resourcing are all for the greater goal of combat. Now, why did BoB decide to attack ASCN? Was it because we wanted to space? Our space alone is already big enough to accomodate everything we need. Was it because we hate ASCN? No, we've had a history of fighting on the same side in the past. Ultimately the reason why BoB attacked ASCN is because we believed that since they are the biggest and richest alliance in the game, they could offer up a good fight. If you remember several months ago Molle made an announcement that we would be resetting all standings with everyone in 0.0. That should have made everyone, former enemies or former friends, consider us as potential hostiles and get ready. Since then ASCN had ample time to build up and prepare for a possible fight with BoB. For the most part, the fight with ASCN is going as expected: they have shown audacity in making big moves that risked a lot of ships. They have lost billions but have not lost the will to fight. These are good things. Why should BoB care where battles take place in, as long as they do? If ASCN did not go to TPAR-G, we would have continued inward until we met resistance. The prime objective here is conflict, not conquest. Or rather, I should say, it was. The point things went sour is when we realized that ASCN leadership were using the strategy of lying to their membership in order to motivate them for war. It's as if they could not get their members to fight without having them hate BoB for some reason. This was severely disapointing and is the main reason why a lot of BoB are so animated in pointing out the lies that ASCN leadership keep telling left and right. Why can't ASCN, being the biggest and richest alliance in the game, fight BoB without demonizing us? What more motivation could be necessary when ASCN has the industrial capacity not to care about battleship losses? Why do things have to turn rancid? There is also our memory of past opponents. In the war with PA, which most people call the Great Northern War, our opponents also used the same strategy of lying to their members in order to motivate them to fight us. This is established fact, not a mere accusation on my part, as admitted here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=319120&page=1#1 It's an old thread, speaking of much older things, but the situation then is as it is now, with leadership manipulating their membership with misinformation. Why do we hate such a strategy? Aside from demonizing us unjustly, the lies are bound to be revealed, and they tend to create such animosity within their ranks that our enemies end up hating each other more than they could ever hate us. Such things break alliances for good, without any hope of recovery or redemption. In the beginning stages of this war I had seen signals that ASCN had a tendency to propagandize the information they give to their own members, and there were already hints of demonizing us. We had to check their internal communications to be sure, and sure enough, we found blogs of CYVOK and McGreedy. A lot of us were struck with deja-vu from the GNW. You may not believe me when I say this, but I do not wish ASCN the same fate that befell the PA in the GNW. For a lot of the BoB membership, the internal information massaging that ASCN leadership is doing is strange. This is because BoB has a flat structure completely devoid of internal politics. ASCN, it seems, is internally goverened by a complex web of political relationships. (to be continued)
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 02:03:00 - [553] (continuing...) You will have to excuse the enthusiastic manner of the BoB members. This is because they want to point out the falacies and stop the lies by ridicule and argumentation because such a mood is unnecessary for alliances as large as BoB and ASCN to fight. The mere industral base alone makes fighting on this scale inexpensive. Why is there a need for heated politicking? Much has always been said of BoB "propaganda". This was a meme started in the very same GNW, when the membership of the PA were being told one thing, and what-was-to-become-BoB was saying another. Since they trusted their leadership, then BoB was therefore lying. Remember my link above that clears up all those accusations and shows them to be false. I mention this because if BoB propaganda is any strong at all, it is because it is not propaganda. Throughout our history in EVE we have been supportive of methods that promote the dissemination of facts. I am willing to wager that we have played a big part in promoting the usage of killboards, as an attempt to refute enemy lies about losses. We were very much in support of the idea of killmails when they first came out. BoB killboard accuracy is a big thing for us, because we use it to evaluate our own performance. It is only opened to the public because of the desire to uphold the open publication of factual information. Internally, in EVOL, there is a policy of "no killmail , no ship replacement" in order to ensure that every member is diligent in keeping our tallies accurate. I may be crossing several points now, and this is getting too long. All I want to communicate to ASCN leadership is that they should be motivating their membership with honest information. Continued massaging of facts in order to protect internal ASCN political power by certain members of their leadership will only serve to make the fall, once truth is realized, harder. It also serves to convince us that ASCN leadership is moving in the same direction as set by our past opponents. This fight is supposed to harden all participants and let them find the areas where they can improve. All conflict in EVE serves the purpose of strenthening the participants. However, this can only happen if the true weaknesses are not hidden by massaged information, so that they may be exposed, and improved. As I said, everything BoB doe is for the glory of combat. If any of you truly want to destroy BoB, then the surest way is to convince us that we have no other hope of conflict other than splitting ourselves in two and fighting each other. That will, however, probably also be the end of many things besides BoB. Conflict feeds us. It is where we get our motivation, it is the reason why we are here. Our movements, our very breaths are all in the service of this god of war we call EVE. Lastly, take heed, as we have not even started truly using our own capitals yet. This conflict has no signs of abating, and things will continue to escalate. If at this point ASCN leadership is already resorting to strategies that involve misleading their membership, then what options will they resort to when BoB expands the field of war?
Robet Katrix Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.21 02:57:00 - [554] Edited by: Robet Katrix on 21/10/2006 03:04:38 when i made the comment that ascn was doing well it was only in the context of what BOB is not doing. And that is in context of territorial ambition. They have held BOB to BOB space. I AM NOT SAYING that this is 100% their doing, I am merely saying, in terms of "defending the Shire" they are succeeding. Albeit quite possibly only because BOB chooses to not make any move towards it so far. Very nice post Rebellious edit: just reading ascn's forums. Very nice post by James. then mcCreedy comes in and calls him a traitor for giving good advice. I just thought that that was incredibly funny.
McMike Hegemonic Core	Posted - 2006.10.21 09:01:00 - [555] Edited by: McMike on 21/10/2006 09:04:51 Quote: Why can't ASCN, being the biggest and richest alliance in the game, fight BoB without demonizing us? What more motivation could be necessary when ASCN has the industrial capacity not to care about battleship losses? Why do things have to turn rancid? ROFL..BOB playing the victim. ASCN is demonizing BOB. I'm assuming your upset about something in their internal forums because I have read very little of that here. 95% of the posts on this war in EVE-O have been BOB posts. The forum whoring here is VERY one sided. Your guys spit on ASCN at every chance you get. Occasionally, you fish out an ASCN guy who responds but for the large part, its BOB post after BOB post. YET, you are whining about ASCN demonizing bob?! Funny thing is, I don't read about ASCN whining on here about how you 'demonize' ASCN in your private forums. I do read here about how you openly rip out the contents of ASCN's private board and post them up here for all to see or how you resort to TS spying to get out of game advantages in fleet battles. But hey...your the victims here. The shear arrogance and self rightous bull**** that comes from you people is limitless.
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.21 09:38:00 - [556] Originally by: McMike [ ROFL..BOB playing the victim. ASCN is demonizing BOB. I'm assuming your upset about something in their internal forums because I have read very little of that here. 95% of the posts on this war in EVE-O have been BOB posts. The forum whoring here is VERY one sided. Your guys spit on ASCN at every chance you get. Occasionally, you fish out an ASCN guy who responds but for the large part, its BOB post after BOB post. YET, you are whining about ASCN demonizing bob?! Funny thing is, I don't read about ASCN whining on here about how you 'demonize' ASCN in your private forums. I do read here about how you openly rip out the contents of ASCN's private board and post them up here for all to see or how you resort to TS spying to get out of game advantages in fleet battles. But hey...your the victims here. The shear arrogance and self rightous bull**** that comes from you people is limitless. spin spin sugar
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 10:16:00 - [557] Originally by: McMike Your guys spit on ASCN at every chance you get. You will, of course, notice that it isn't ascn we're calling liars - it is their leaders, yes?
Aberash eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.21 21:02:00 - [558] Hmm what annoys me about topics like this is people who reply who arent even in ASCN/BOB, or arent fighting down in the South and Are saying what they think according to Killboards and forums (which on the most part are exaggerated/ Fake killmails ) By all means post what you think, but dont act like you know everything, its war ** goes wrong goes right.. deal with it. Like the sig? PM me for personalised sig - 10mil each**
Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.21 21:17:00 - [559] an update on the war please for teh 3rd parties?:p - BH
Dragutinovic Caldari Storm Thesis	Posted - 2006.10.21 21:18:00 - [560] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: McMike Your guys spit on ASCN at every chance you get. You will, of course, notice that it isn't ascn we're calling liars - it is their leaders, yes? Oh they arent ASCN ? _____________ Im back !
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 21:34:00 - [561] Originally by: Aberash (which on the most part are exaggerated/ Fake killmails ) Pics of stfu, or something, whatever, grow up. Old blog
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.21 22:13:00 - [562] Originally by: Dragutinovic Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: McMike Your guys spit on ASCN at every chance you get. You will, of course, notice that it isn't ascn we're calling liars - it is their leaders, yes? Oh they arent ASCN ? Any alliance is made up of its members. Those in BoB are represented not by me, or by the ceos, but by the "average joe" pilots who fly in our gangs, die on our command, and support our orders day in and day out. They are not the failing of ANY alliance - their leadership is.
Dragutinovic Caldari Storm Thesis	Posted - 2006.10.21 23:16:00 - [563] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Dragutinovic Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: McMike Your guys spit on ASCN at every chance you get. You will, of course, notice that it isn't ascn we're calling liars - it is their leaders, yes? Oh they arent ASCN ? Any alliance is made up of its members. Those in BoB are represented not by me, or by the ceos, but by the "average joe" pilots who fly in our gangs, die on our command, and support our orders day in and day out. They are not the failing of ANY alliance - their leadership is. A leader is only half as good as its followers .. also a statement made by yer alliance ages ago . I even believe its been made quite recently in diffrent words . Ofc i might express it wrong due the laungauge diffrence . then again look at what ASCN has been doing or has been made and then look yers ... its quite a diffrence .. no ? Chest beating here means zip , nada , nothin . You face someone who is not dedicated in pvp so its a extremely difficult job for them to compete while you all absorbed the most pvpers who liek to join a winning side imo . ¦ Im not flaming at it atll tbh but y cant call it "victorious" . The diffrencec between the two alliances are to big simple . However theres no rule aginst it and that makes the beauty of it but the general behaviour of yer guys destroy the beauty of it .. :/ _____________ Im back !
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.21 23:46:00 - [564] ASCN may lie & mslead their members but at least they kep it to their own forums. from day 1 of this conflict BoB or others trying to troll/flamebait have flooded this forum (& even more unfortunately, at times others) with spam that frankly would be locked were there any chance of that controlling it. Ive noticed even BoB posters shake their heads at some of the pointless spam other BoBbits insist on cramming this forum full of. I dont like how ASCN's leadership have aparently tried to personalise, demonise & vilify BoB to the point where you wonder if theyre too committed to the game. But idbe happilly indifferent to it were it not for the BoBbit's who raid ASCN's forums for infomationthey can spin & spam here with. Simularly the sig's, while certainly amusing , focus mainly around accusations of log off tactics & other suggestions, accustions or even insults. Its garnered an equally amusing but again equally suggestive etc retialiatory collection of ASCN sigs. The only differencebeing there arnt reply after reply full of them because ASCN arntso needlessly vocal. Theres alot of usefull infomation for those wantingto follow this war. & i appreciate that to some its important to expose the "underhand" methods of ASCN for what they are as a tactic of war. But its not a real war, its JUST a game, a very good engrossing & time consuming game, but just a game. scrolling through the post asfter post of drival from BoB, ppl wanting to get a reaction out of BoB, & BoBs reaction to it...its almost to the point that this subforum is no longer worth reading, save for the occasional Seleene war story or other alliance announcement. Look at his post. the OP is just some bored person asking (in i admit a rather flamebaitory manner), yet its run on for 18pages. Few of the threads on this subforum's first couple pages are not BoB related directly or been diverted to it. Some seem to be relishing in it. But I for one hate it, as it means the occasional decent & well thought out thread or reply are soon drowned in a sea of flames, trolling & personal post exchanges. & yes, im argueably hijacking this post myself to make my point about BoB's & others flaming, trolling etc on the subject of this war. The irony, if there is any, is not lost on me. But were I to post this as a new thread it would most likely be swamped with the very flames, trolls etc until it gets locked for beng flamebait or derailed. Thats all i have to say thats to my mind constructive. & although im not the first to complain about the obsene levels of spam this war has unleashed, I just hope (against hope) that maybe, just maybe, itl come to an end sooner, rather thenlater. Id rather have a quiet forum then one where its hardly worth reading whats there.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.10.22 00:06:00 - [565] Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche Thats all i have to say thats to my mind constructive. & although im not the first to complain about the obsene levels of spam this war has unleashed, I just hope (against hope) that maybe, just maybe, itl come to an end sooner, rather thenlater. Id rather have a quiet forum then one where its hardly worth reading whats there. ... whats wrong with you people ? If you don't like something don't read it, if the forums are too banal for your tastes, DON'T READ THEM.... Some of us actually enjoy the pointless banter and chestbeating by either side ITS FUN to watch, and personally it makes me chuckle. If your sensiblities are offended by such primitive behaviour then what are you doing in this thread? .. seems to me like you are the one taking things a little too seriously.
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.22 00:12:00 - [566] Originally by: Aberash Hmm what annoys me about topics like this is people who reply who arent even in ASCN/BOB, or arent fighting down in the South and Are saying what they think according to Killboards and forums (which on the most part are exaggerated/ Fake killmails ) By all means post what you think, but dont act like you know everything, its war ** goes wrong ** goes right.. deal with it. You are right, I stopped looking at the ASCN killboard, its not reliable I think its you guys who dont know everything.. perhaps thats why so few ASCN guys post? PS: To the guy from Beagle corp couple posts abot, and others in general: When your post gets 'eaten' by the forum, go back 2 pages in browser (using the arrow, not clicking twice on back button), it should come back to the text box WITH what you written, and this time when you click Post, it will post. Sometimes you have to go back 3 pages, but its 2 almost always. ------------------ yay, the Deimos has been saved!
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.22 00:22:00 - [567] Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche ASCN may lie & mslead their members but at least they kep it to their own forums. from day 1 of this conflict BoB or others trying to troll/flamebait have flooded this forum I dont like how ASCN's leadership have aparently tried to personalise, demonise & vilify BoB to the point where you wonder if theyre too committed to the game. But idbe happilly indifferent to it were it not for the BoBbit's who raid ASCN's forums for infomationthey can spin & spam here with. Simularly the sig's, while certainly amusing , focus mainly around accusations of log off tactics & other suggestions, accustions or even insults. Its garnered an equally amusing but again equally suggestive etc retialiatory collection of ASCN sigs. The only differencebeing there arnt reply after reply full of them because ASCN arntso needlessly vocal. Think of if like that: There is a community of some game of competition (be it chess tournament, whatever), now you are part of clan A, I am clan B. We had few matches, yours lost at every chance, and to excuse it, the leadership of your clan starts to demonize our clan B, call us cheaters, exploiters etc, in your private forum Now, if We in clan B find out about it, and do nothing - it might make few members believe it, and then spread the word that B clan are cheaters etc further, outside clan A. Enough that ONE member belives those lies, and the reputation of clan B is in serious problem. I know I wouldnt stand by and do nothing, and thats exactly why BoB respond here on the public forum, to those accusations thrown at them. ------------------ yay, the Deimos has been saved!
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.22 00:46:00 - [568] Originally by: Gothikia if its anywhere near glasgow i wanna come Glaswegian bob alts allowed to come? ^^ tb99 Almost a Caldari Alliance Race Winner Current BDCI Ranking: (MINER6) Proficient Deep Core
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.22 00:56:00 - [569] Originally by: Rebellion Why can't ASCN, being the biggest and richest alliance in the game, fight BoB without demonizing us? What more motivation could be necessary when ASCN has the industrial capacity not to care about battleship losses? Why do things have to turn rancid? This one I gotta tackle. During the beesquatting sessions you held in the Syndicate you pretty much started to demonize the goonies. I even remember telling you guys going too far on it back then. So complaining about it is rather silly. (Come to think of it. I could sift through some old posts and recycle some of the good stuff you wrote about the goonies back then.) Besides that the fact that you state what is happening on the ASCN forums is to be said the truth. I may have missed out some linkies or transcripts but let me use a popular catchphrase 'proof please'.
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 01:03:00 - [570] Comparing goons to ASCN = fail. .... Real men use blasters
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 01:05:00 - [571] Edited by: Nira Li on 22/10/2006 01:05:28 Originally by: fuze Originally by: Rebellion Why can't ASCN, being the biggest and richest alliance in the game, fight BoB without demonizing us? What more motivation could be necessary when ASCN has the industrial capacity not to care about battleship losses? Why do things have to turn rancid? This one I gotta tackle. During the beesquatting sessions you held in the Syndicate you pretty much started to demonize the goonies. I even remember telling you guys going too far on it back then. So complaining about it is rather silly. (Come to think of it. I could sift through some old posts and recycle some of the good stuff you wrote about the goonies back then.) Besides that the fact that you state what is happening on the ASCN forums is to be said the truth. I may have missed out some linkies or transcripts but let me use a popular catchphrase 'proof please'. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8051/johnblogoct19xn5ra0.jpg there's one see you in POTBS You Will Cry My Name
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.22 01:07:00 - [572] Edited by: fuze on 22/10/2006 01:13:29 I didn't compare ASCN with goonies but with you guys. Demonizing 4tl. If there would be a similarity between ASCN and goonies it would be loosing ships would it? edit: Thanks for the good read Nira Li. Its not 100% sure proof but fabricating this would be a total bore. But I do think you guys make a heck of a lot of a fuss about this altogether. So what gives if you guys decide to go or not to go? Won't change that much in Eve anyway. Nah! j/k We'd be missing you.
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.22 01:21:00 - [573] Originally by: Nez Perces ... whats wrong with you people ? If you don't like something don't read it, if the forums are too banal for your tastes, DON'T READ THEM.... Some of us actually enjoy the pointless banter and chestbeating by either side ITS FUN to watch, and personally it makes me chuckle. If your sensiblities are offended by such primitive behaviour then what are you doing in this thread? .. seems to me like you are the one taking things a little too seriously. [/quote Im not (although tbh it probably does read that way) saying that there should be no banter at all on the forums. Rather im saying that in this case its reached the point that its no longer just playfull banter but increasingly pointless spam. It can be interesting to watch if its going somewhere. but post after post after post of dead end trash just isnt interesting to read. & unfortunately for me at least, its reached the point where I simply skip through most threads after the op coz i cba to skim through the rubbish to get to the interesting stuff (theres 16pages of this thread alone i havent looked through). I dont have the time/patience.
JINX HSC Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 02:03:00 - [574] Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche As i see it, however, BoB can hardly claim to not be writing such equally demonizing & accusative material. As i pointed out the batch of Star Wars inspired sigs, while amusing, are as full of accusations of cheating & suchlike. Simularly there have been several BoB threads (admittedly not recently) where BoB posters have twisted events to their advantage & in mockery of ASCN. The only real difference at the base of it between these & the ASCN private board posts are that BOB are funny, & we appreciate humor. So i guess my point is, while i do think that BoB & indeed any entity that finds potentially damning accusations being levelled against them, they should pre-empt &/or counter them. However, BoB have, in their sigs & some forum posts, countered ASCN's accusations & distortions with their own, equally as bad only funnier. & after all, we all hear about RED being a bunch of exploiting, isk selling, macro baddies; This forum is full of it if you look back a bit. but few ppl take it seriously that they all are. Well humor is a major part in our world of eve. We play for fun. The sigs are just sarcasm of the posts/blogs that ASCN produce.. look at the sigs as story tellers about the life in ASCN (whit sarcasm and irony). Not to accuse anyone for anything .. just telling the story (ofc the way we se it.. we only have our own eyes) //mask - KLADDKAKA - Trig read the rulez m8!!!
FubarSF Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.22 02:14:00 - [575] Is it just me or has the price of Tinfoil gone up ?
Ordep Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 02:21:00 - [576] Originally by: FubarSF Is it just me or has the price of Tinfoil gone up ? It¦s you Made in Portugal
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.22 02:26:00 - [577] Originally by: JINX HSC Well humor is a major part in our world of eve. We play for fun. The sigs are just sarcasm of the posts/blogs that ASCN produce.. look at the sigs as story tellers about the life in ASCN (whit sarcasm and irony). Not to accuse anyone for anything .. just telling the story (ofc the way we se it.. we only have our own eyes) //mask Dont get me wrong i think some of them are funny. But like any boarderline humor some of them teter dangerously close to the edge of the line that seperates funny from just insulting/offensive. ooo look at me. posting off topic in a thread after ranting about it. probably should re-edit that part. & indeed probably just delete the lot. But i still stand by my assertion that the BoBbits are guilty of mass spammage (although on the plus side its more constructive then it was earlier in the war) & that neither side can claim to be whiter then white when it comes to demeaning/offending the other.
Ordep Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 02:42:00 - [578] Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche Originally by: JINX HSC Well humor is a major part in our world of eve. We play for fun. The sigs are just sarcasm of the posts/blogs that ASCN produce.. look at the sigs as story tellers about the life in ASCN (whit sarcasm and irony). Not to accuse anyone for anything .. just telling the story (ofc the way we se it.. we only have our own eyes) //mask Dont get me wrong i think some of them are funny. But like any boarderline humor some of them teter dangerously close to the edge of the line that seperates funny from just insulting/offensive. ooo look at me. posting off topic in a thread after ranting about it. probably should re-edit that part. & indeed probably just delete the lot. But i still stand by my assertion that the BoBbits are guilty of mass spammage (although on the plus side its more constructive then it was earlier in the war) & that neither side can claim to be whiter then white when it comes to demeaning/offending the other. Go back to nature as your sig says and leave EvE and EvE-O to the ones that are looking for some fun, mkay !!?? Made in Portugal
Ordep Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 03:12:00 - [579] Edited by: Ordep on 22/10/2006 03:15:05 Made in Portugal
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:01:00 - [580] Originally by: Beyond Horizon an update on the war please for teh 3rd parties?:p test
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:10:00 - [581] So what is this thing I read about lots of bob is going all out attack before quiting eve? Sounds like propaganda to me or is it something bob themselves have announced? maybe missed it among the hundreds of post about bob vs ascn. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:13:00 - [582] Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq So what is this thing I read about lots of bob is going all out attack before quiting eve? Sounds like propaganda to me or is it something bob themselves have announced? maybe missed it among the hundreds of post about bob vs ascn. Don't worry peh, it was a pile of crap made up by cyvok and spilled to the ASCN dudes by mcreedy in some vain effort to make the ASCN dudes think they could outlast us or something. It's complete lies, we'll be here when the servers close. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:14:00 - [583] Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq So what is this thing I read about lots of bob is going all out attack before quiting eve? Sounds like propaganda to me or is it something bob themselves have announced? maybe missed it among the hundreds of post about bob vs ascn. please come join them in their attack against us because we are leaving eve in six months for POTBS Madeye Mcgreedy is claiming that we are leaving eve in six months. Compare that to the other things in his blogs and his other "intel" and then make up your own mind about it Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:14:00 - [584] Edited by: Rikeka on 22/10/2006 11:15:27 Not checked this excuse of a thread since page 15. ¿Demonizing¿ BoB 101. Now... BoB does not need ASCN private convos, private posts on private forums, or anything like it (first of all, who can tell us they are true? Remember we were once all told that BoB had no Teamspeak Spies! A BoB will probably come and tell us they are true... But you will actually 100% trust him? Never seen an ASCN member confirming them!) for them to feel offended! How can they be when they are the only people bumping this thread about them being offended? Attention *****s... j/k :D Fact is I can`t tell what BoB posts on their forums because I have no forum spy nor TS spy (on them or anyone else, LOL). ASCN does? Dunno, for sure they are not sharing. Maybe BoB is using propaganda too, or worse, maybe BoB leaders are tampering the killboard, lying their members about their goals/success/etc? How can we tell? Because 100 BoB`s will come here and tell me they don`t? Like with the TS thingie? We have been lied before with the TS thingie. Will not fall for that one again. As I`m not ASCN, never got the urge to join their forums, probably never will. Never tried to join BOB`s because there is no point. Plus, I`m no BoB. I`ll be told: ¿We don`t use propaganda, we don`t need it.¿ strikingly similar to: ¿We don`t use TS spies, we don`t need them.¿ [i]Disclaimer: This war is being fought in the game, and how some factions try to translate it here is stupid, childish, and pointless. There is also no point in compare with the BoB/GS war... because GS probably made something stupid, and got it coming. Not ACTUALLY claiming that whatever BoB members posts is automatically a lie. But as we have been lied before, why ponder on it? Nothing personal against BoB, every time I find one in battle is all ¿GG, GJ, GL, Cya¿. My point is that as only the stupid can fall for whatever BoB says (yes, I say this even when I truly believed once that TS spies were a myth) and post back, there is no point: ASCN is completely avoiding any BoB thread, so you`ll (by everyone) never get a full account of what is going on. That basically means that BoB says the truth? No. [EDIT] And BoB will not go to POTBS... but don`t give them ideas. ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
IntegralHellsing Gallente Blazing Saddles	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:18:00 - [585] Originally by: Nira Li http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8051/johnblogoct19xn5ra0.jpg there's one see you in POTBS oh and an other that just proves that i was right about strategic points of TCAG. thank you. (if in doubt, check the posts i made in early October. I wrote something about TCAG being a strategic point to ASCN.) ------------------------------
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:29:00 - [586] Edited by: Hast on 22/10/2006 11:40:34 Originally by: Rikeka I`ll be told: ¿We don`t use propaganda, we don`t need it.¿ strikingly similar to: ¿We don`t use TS spies, we don`t need them.¿ [i]Disclaimer: This war is being fought in the game, and how some factions try to translate it here is stupid, childish, and pointless. There is also no point in compare with the BoB/GS war... because GS probably made something stupid, and got it coming. Well, all sides us propaganda, but its a matter of backing it up ingame instead of crying foul on the forums. Because in the end, propaganda is a tool, it might work on its own for a while, but sooner or later action needs to be seen afterall. And this is where ASCN fails. Fair point about the GS war tho, I'll give you that Originally by: Rikeka Not ACTUALLY claiming that whatever BoB members posts is automatically a lie. But as we have been lied before, why ponder on it? Nothing personal against BoB, every time I find one in battle is all ¿GG, GJ, GL, Cya¿. Well, that is what we are here for. Want our respect? bring it, and you get respect. Win or loose, atleast you fought hard for your land. Sit in your POS all day, be bored and ridiculed, because that is all you deserve. Have 280 people spread out over 3 systems against 150 and refuse to engage? then you dont deserve to be in eve and we will wipe you out. What bugged me the most about that incident last night was when your AZN fleet moved up to 2i and just sat there while you did your petty fighter bombings to wich we lost a total of one interdictor and you lost possibly a billion isk in fighters was sad. I sat up till almost 4am local time waiting for you guys to do something, wich you didnt. Why? you had superior numbers, you had capital ship support albeit you wasted alot of fighters doing nothing. In the end it ended up with us jumping into 2i- and the node crashing. and then you scream exploit because we deliberatly crashed the node when you bring well over 250 people to fight, then the nodes will crash regardless of the size of the opposition. And yet again, no, we dont use any lame nodehax to log in faster. Originally by: Rikeka My point is that as only the stupid can fall for whatever BoB says (yes, I say this even when I truly believed once that TS spies were a myth) and post back, there is no point: ASCN is completely avoiding any BoB thread, so you`ll (by everyone) never get a full account of what is going on. That basically means that BoB says the truth? No. [EDIT] And BoB will not go to POTBS... but don`t give them ideas. When has it been said that BoB has not used TS spies? and if it was its called misinformation. And yet again I welcome you to expose any socalled BoB lie with proof. I am getting tired of being called a lier and then have no proof presented. Rikeka, I'm calling you out. Proof or shut up. I realize that Rikeka is a member of Axiom empire and alot of this post is directed at ASCN, but meh, I cant be bothered. P.S. Nice trying to spin sitting in a empty system for four hours being better then sitting at a POS for four hours and calling it a victory over BoB CYVOK Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:29:00 - [587] Originally by: Rikeka Edited by: Rikeka on 22/10/2006 11:15:27 Not checked this excuse of a thread since page 15. Good choice, not much has come forth since then Originally by: Rikeka Demonizing¿ BoB 101. Now... BoB does not need ASCN private convos, private posts on private forums, or anything like it (first of all, who can tell us they are true? Remember we were once all told that BoB had no Teamspeak Spies! A BoB will probably come and tell us they are true... But you will actually 100% trust him? Never seen an ASCN member confirming them!) for them to feel offended! How can they be when they are the only people bumping this thread about them being offended? Attention ***s... j/k :D Fact is I can`t tell what BoB posts on their forums because I have no forum spy nor TS spy (on them or anyone else, LOL). ASCN does? Dunno, for sure they are not sharing. Maybe BoB is using propaganda too, or worse, maybe BoB leaders are tampering the killboard, lying their members about their goals/success/etc? First of all, if you managed to get on the BoB forums, you wouldnt find that much interesting, since there is just mostly naked pictures of Siddy there. And most of the interesting stuff is prolly in the forum section for the CEO's and directors. Thats lesson one in keeping security tight Secondly, There is no denying that we both have spies and are using them, its just a matter of having a modus operandi that minimize the damage that said spies can do. Because there is ways you know, both on TS and on forums... And also, BoB works in a entirely different way then ASCN that makes it alot easier to weed out spies since we have stricter recruitment policies, better screening then most of the ASCN corps and you have to participate and make yourself useful if you want to enjoy your stay with us. And regarding the socalled faking of killmails... its impossible, unless you have half of BoB involved in faking killmails, and then the leaderships point about boosting the average joe's morale would be nigh, since it would have to be them helping to fake killmails... I for one havent see any killmail I've been on that I cant remember being there shooting the guy. So it is impossible for the leadership to boost the stats to help morale, atleast in BoB. And doing so would only dig your own grave, because sooner or later the fish will smell rotten Bottom line is, you cant lie to a BoB member like that because we are on the frontline seeing for ourselves what the deal is. We dont sit huddled away in empire waiting for the all clear Originally by:** Rikeka How can we tell? Because 100 BoB`s will come here and tell me they don`t? Like with the TS thingie? We have been lied before with the TS thingie. Will not fall for that one again. As I`m not ASCN, never got the urge to join their forums, probably never will. Never tried to join BOB`s because there is no point. Plus, I`m no BoB. What really is a BoB? Is it what we have been portrayed as by certain members of ASCN? Is a BoB someone who lives in his moms basement using the headshot macro and generally not being a productive member of society as CYVOK eloquently put it? Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.22 11:46:00 - [588] Originally by: Hast What really is a BoB? Is it what we have been portrayed as by certain members of ASCN? Is a BoB someone who lives in his moms basement using the headshot macro and generally not being a productive member of society as CYVOK eloquently put it? Great post till here: WTF? Never talked about moms (sacred thing) and basements. Plus, if you are underage and you live in your parents house, it`s not like you have a choice. (I say this even that whenever I get back to my family city for business I never stay in a hotel, if you know what I mean: Home-made cooking ftw!) ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 12:03:00 - [589] Edited by: Hast on 22/10/2006 12:03:38 Originally by: Rikeka Originally by: Hast What really is a BoB? Is it what we have been portrayed as by certain members of ASCN? Is a BoB someone who lives in his moms basement using the headshot macro and generally not being a productive member of society as CYVOK eloquently put it? Great post till here: WTF? Never talked about moms (sacred thing) and basements. Plus, if you are underage and you live in your parents house, it`s not like you have a choice. (I say this even that whenever I get back to my family city for business I never stay in a hotel, if you know what I mean: Home-made cooking ftw!) you said, I'm no Bob and I asked what is a Bob, I'm sorry if I misread your post, but as I said, it was more aimed at the socalled demonizing that ASCN has been using against us. edit: and as I stated in the end of my post, it ended up being mostly aimed at ASCN anyways, so I'm afraid your just collateral damage Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.22 12:08:00 - [590] Quote: What Hast said in 2nd post 1) Fair enough. If BoB`s considers propaganda a big important part of the game, then you obviously understand that ASCN does too. 2) I really can`t tell about that fight, as I was not there (was not logged, nor I would have gone that much south for a fight, though sometimes I do). Still, nice to know your point of view on that particular battle, would like the point of view from ASCN... 3) Torres, and many others, claimed, exactly: ¿We don`t use TS spies, we don`t need them¿ If I happen to found it again, cool; will post it. That statement lately has shifted to ¿Never FC`ed with help of a TS spy¿. You are telling me now that BoB never denied having TS spies? PS: Sorry for the format of the post. Every time I try to directly quote you (click on the ¿Quote¿ button¿), my window crash. This computer sucks, and this was the only way to post. Again, sorry. ------------------------------------ Have a sig you can sell me? Eve-mail me your work and we`ll talk business! ------------------------------------
IntegralHellsing Gallente Blazing Saddles	Posted - 2006.10.22 12:08:00 - [591] It is hard to earn respect from BoB gangs unless it's a really good fight. I for once don't think i got that respect. Only managed a really short chat with BoB ONCE. XD It was my blaster mega vs 2 Rook, 1 Thorax, 1 dictor and 6~8 inty. Was going to collect some loot that an alliance member lost, but I fell into a trap. (yeah, realized that as soon as i jumped.) I managed to pop that Thorax, jumped and docked. (The Rooks couldn't jam me until the very end. ECCM helped a bit.) They followed me, but it was too late. They had aggro time so they couldn't jump straight, while i popped that Thorax, waited and jumped. (Was on half-hull. dmg control FTW!) After that, had a little chat for about a min or two, then they left local bidding a farewell. Some of them are nice guys. They don't smack talk. (They only smacktalk if the enemy hides and never thinks of engaging. Or when the enemy starts smacking in local.) It is only when you fight a hard battle and win, that BoB respects you fully. If you fight a hard battle and lose, I think they might respect you a bit. Not saying that I got that respect, but surely they talk more than usual as if they were dumbfounded . Was happy that they were more than war machines. :P So, you want their respects? (Other than just receiving gg, gj, gl, gf, bb, etc.) Get the fighting going 23/7. The only reason BoB smacks ASCN all the time is because ASCN sits in POS most of the days unless they have a really easy ganking to do. (Not sure about AXE.) Don't just play hide and seek. Try to fight, even if it makes you lose. Maybe BoB would smack in the forum for your loss, but at least you will know yourself that you had a good fight and you know BoB did as well. ------------------------------
Lacero Darklighter	Posted - 2006.10.22 12:14:00 - [592] Edited by: Lacero Darklighter on 22/10/2006 12:14:54 alts :(
Lacero Callrisian Minmatar Solar Storm Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.22 12:15:00 - [593] Originally by: DB Preacher It's complete lies, we'll be here when the servers close. tbh you're gonna be very lonely, everyone else is leaving for potbs :)
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.22 13:12:00 - [594] Originally by: Rebellion Why can't ASCN, being the biggest and richest alliance in the game, fight BoB without demonizing us? What more motivation could be necessary when ASCN has the industrial capacity not to care about battleship losses? Why do things have to turn rancid? Originally by: Hast you said, I'm no Bob and I asked what is a Bob, I'm sorry if I misread your post, but as I said, it was more aimed at the socalled demonizing that ASCN has been using against us. Socalled eh? The two of you are out of sync apperently. Originally by: DB Preacher It's complete lies, we'll be here when the servers close. Guess we'll meet at the afterparty. Lemme buy you a beer then.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 13:24:00 - [595] Originally by: fuze Originally by: Rebellion Why can't ASCN, being the biggest and richest alliance in the game, fight BoB without demonizing us? What more motivation could be necessary when ASCN has the industrial capacity not to care about battleship losses? Why do things have to turn rancid? Originally by: Hast you said, I'm no Bob and I asked what is a Bob, I'm sorry if I misread your post, but as I said, it was more aimed at the socalled demonizing that ASCN has been using against us. Socalled eh? The two of you are out of sync apperently. Originally by: DB Preacher It's complete lies, we'll be here when the servers close. Guess we'll meet at the afterparty. Lemme buy you a beer then. well, out of sync isnt quite correct. Its just that I dont like that term. They are calling us names tho. Getting called a unproductive member of society, quake kiddie and well a whole lot of other things really makes me cry. no really it does... Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.22 13:45:00 - [596] Originally by: Hast well, out of sync isnt quite correct. Its just that I dont like that term. They are calling us names tho. Getting called a unproductive member of society, quake kiddie and well a whole lot of other things really makes me cry. no really it does... Hitting the bottle again? Ah......... how cute. Btw good attempt to try to distract us from the fact that you were contradicting Rebellion.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 14:34:00 - [597] Edited by: Hast on 22/10/2006 14:35:34 Originally by: fuze Originally by: Hast well, out of sync isnt quite correct. Its just that I dont like that term. They are calling us names tho. Getting called a unproductive member of society, quake kiddie and well a whole lot of other things really makes me cry. no really it does... Hitting the bottle again? Ah......... how cute. Btw good attempt to try to distract us from the fact that you were contradicting Rebellion. I'm sorry contradicting how? He uses the word demonizing, and I prefer to just say namecalling. Its just the wordusing thats different. The end result that ASCN wants to get is the same. And its also just two sides of the same coin. You are arguing semantics here and frankly, its boring and not really a issue imo. It seems to me that you have either misread or misinterpretated my post. Or I diffused my point to much. Frankly I dont see the point in this discussion with you, because in the end ASCN leadership IS calling us names, wether you dub it namecalling or demonizing is just two sides of the same coin really. edit: spelling P.S. due to a viral infection I cant drink alcohol till mid january so my rantings are non alcoholrelated Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Romulus Maximus Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 15:11:00 - [598] Originally by: Rikeka Stuff Hast has addressed most if not all of ur points. Every great war will involve propaganda. They was ASCN use it, is against thier own members. Cryvok and Madeye spin little facts and figures to suit thier needs. To make thier members beleive what they want them too. Some of the stuff is so far fetched, its hard for me to comprehend how ppl can actually take it for gospel. I know leaders need to keep troops motivated, but blatant lies and mis information will only lead to one thing. Noone will ever have answers on the use of spies etc. Maybe Molle and Cryvok order ppl to infiltrate corps etc. Maybe ppl do it off thier own back, and offer the intel up. All i know, is i have never been asked to do anything like that. The point can be argued forever. You will not find the answers u seek. As for fake mails etc. I know for a fact, that the ppl who run our borads, would not be amused. Unlike ASCN, our boards belong to us,run by us. So for us ot post fake mails is just abusing the resources so kindly provided by our friends. We dont do that. And a lot of us like the KB points system. So posting fake mails, would be cheating. And we dont cheat. Our mentality will never be understood by ASCN etc. We dont need our leaders to circle jerk us. We play together,we play to win. I dont need memos from anyone to let me know if we done good or not. Its common sense. And if we dont do good, i dont get memos saying it was really a win,because we never wanted to do what we were actually trying to do anyway. It was just a ruse. Hence we are not misguided like the majority of ASCN are. We know how the war is going first hand.Were on the front lines, right next to our leaders. Not awaiting them to cobble some propagana from a far away system. Oh, and nice post btw IntergralHellsing. Nice to see some ppl arent blinkered. Current RKK Ranking: (AMM14) Fleet Admiral - 900 kills
Funky Feeling	Posted - 2006.10.22 15:32:00 - [599] As I`m not ASCN, never got the urge to join their forums, probably never will. Never tried to join BOB`s because there is no point. Plus, I`m no BoB. Thats right your not qualified to be BoB. First you would have to learn the true meaning of teamwork. Then you would understand why BoB is so good at fleet battles. We are brothers so team wotk comes natural.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.22 17:21:00 - [600] Originally by: Hast He uses the word demonizing, and I prefer to just say namecalling. Did you read my reply to Rebellion then? How can you be complaining people want to demonize or namecall you or whatever if you have done exactly the same in the near past? Even crossing the border on common decency on that one if I might add. And you know what? Its boring that when you're faced with your own facts and proof that you start trying to BS your way out of it because you don't like to loose this argument. Pot, kettle. Double standards or whatever. Quote: Frankly I dont see the point in this discussion with you, because in the end ASCN leadership IS calling us names, wether you dub it namecalling or demonizing is just two sides of the same coin really. What would you do if your ennemy used TS to call people to warp to their doom? Thats nasty suff. Quote: P.S. due to a viral infection I cant drink alcohol till mid january so my rantings are non alcoholrelated That would actually be my worst nightmare. Not drinking alcohol? Better get well soon then.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 17:58:00 - [601] Originally by: fuze Originally by: Hast He uses the word demonizing, and I prefer to just say namecalling. Did you read my reply to Rebellion then? How can you be complaining people want to demonize or namecall you or whatever if you have done exactly the same in the near past? Even crossing the border on common decency on that one if I might add. And you know what? Its boring that when you're faced with your own facts and proof that you start trying to BS your way out of it because you don't like to loose this argument. Pot, kettle. Double standards or whatever. Quote: Frankly I dont see the point in this discussion with you, because in the end ASCN leadership IS calling us names, wether you dub it namecalling or demonizing is just two sides of the same coin really. What would you do if your ennemy used TS to call people to warp to their doom? Thats nasty suff. Quote: P.S. due to a viral infection I cant drink alcohol till mid january so my rantings are non alcoholrelated That would actually be my worst nightmare. Not drinking alcohol? Better get well soon then. Dont get me wrong, Calling us names is their perogative and I am not bothered by it myself. And I dont think anyone else in BoB is bothered by it at all. If thats all they can do then just let them. The goon issue is somewhat different in my opinion and is a path I thread lightly in due to it still being a sore subject for many. Because what was at the bottom of that was that a dear friend of alot of people had passed away and they took their pleasure in making fun of his death. Thats as far as I'm going to go with the whole goon issue, although I could probably write a few more pages about it. Its two different ballgames so the two incidents cant really be compared. You can type whatever you want but I'm not going into a discussion about goons here nor anywhere else. I prefer to let that issue on my part rest for a while. as for the enemy to use TS to warp to their doom... If someone was so stupid to fall for that trick then they werent listening to their gangleader and deserved to die... As for having your spy be the gangleader, then kudos, you just won eve! as for the alcohol, I currently have two rather large bottles of whiskey I was going to drink the weekend after I got sick, but they are still sitting there staring back at me. and they are just begging to be opened... I think I'll *** somewhere around christmas Originally by:** CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.22 19:46:00 - [602] Originally by: Hast Dont get me wrong, Calling us names is their perogative and I am not bothered by it myself. And I dont think anyone else in BoB is bothered by it at all. If thats all they can do then just let them. First you start whining about ASCN calling you names and then you don't seem to mind anymore? But when I started poking you and you had to switch your opinion about it? Are you a politician or what? As far as discrediting ASCN atm anything goes right? I guess thats your weakness. Partly depending on the forums about the outcome of this war. And you already have admitted commiting way to many lies a deciet that its becomming harder to get any credability with the general public. Try to do better.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 20:29:00 - [603] Originally by: fuze Originally by: Hast Dont get me wrong, Calling us names is their perogative and I am not bothered by it myself. And I dont think anyone else in BoB is bothered by it at all. If thats all they can do then just let them. First you start whining about ASCN calling you names and then you don't seem to mind anymore? But when I started poking you and you had to switch your opinion about it? Are you a politician or what? As far as discrediting ASCN atm anything goes right? I guess thats your weakness. Partly depending on the forums about the outcome of this war. And you already have admitted commiting way to many lies a deciet that its becomming harder to get any credability with the general public. Try to do better. I fear your sarcasm detector is broke Originally by: Hast well, out of sync isnt quite correct. Its just that I dont like that term. They are calling us names tho. Getting called a unproductive member of society, quake kiddie and well a whole lot of other things really makes me cry. no really it does... now where is the whining about namecalling? and again back to full circle with being called a lier again. and yet again I reiterate my statement. Proof of BoB lying or making up stuff against ASCN please? Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 20:55:00 - [604] Edited by: Nira Li on 22/10/2006 21:02:19 When you see stuff like this in local when GMs are there K'att Sai > you are witnessing a massive log out now m8 when we jump out of the system it just ticks me off. No wonder ASCN are doing so bad when all they can do is namecalling in local Oh btw, thanks for the free POS You Will Cry My Name
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.22 22:28:00 - [605] Originally by: Hast I fear your sarcasm detector is broke Sorry, used the spare parts for the BS detector. Originally by: Hast well, out of sync isnt quite correct. Its just that I dont like that term. They are calling us names tho. Getting called a unproductive member of society, quake kiddie and well a whole lot of other things really makes me cry. no really it does... Originally by: Hast now where is the whining about namecalling? I made it bold for you so you can see it better. Mkay?
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 22:37:00 - [606] Originally by: fuze Originally by: Hast I fear your sarcasm detector is broke Sorry, used the spare parts for the BS detector. Originally by: Hast well, out of sync isnt quite correct. Its just that I dont like that term. They are calling us names tho. Getting called a unproductive member of society, quake kiddie and well a whole lot of other things really makes me cry. no really it does... Originally by: Hast now where is the whining about namecalling? I made it bold for you so you can see it better. Mkay? since you have figured out what the bolding button on the forums does I thought I'd highlight the sarcasm part. And yet again you are reduced to arguing semantics... Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
IntegralHellsing Gallente Blazing Saddles	Posted - 2006.10.22 23:01:00 - [607] Well, ASCN now has 4 carriers in 1DH-SX system. (in Delve, i think.) (Nice move, 'Dark Star 1' corporation. I wonder how many cynos were required to take you down there ps. I wonder how the war would turn out to be! ------------------------------
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.22 23:55:00 - [608] Edited by: Rebellion on 22/10/2006 23:55:55 fuze: I did not reply to you because your comparison of how we handled the goons to how ASCN is demonizing us is absurd. What is the difference, you ask? The difference is the dividing line between what is true and what is untrue. The goons did the things we accused them of, while we do not do things that ASCN are saying we do. The line between truth and falsehood is a very important one. The fact that you made that comparison shows that you do not see it. The reason why I did not reply to you was that I know that anything I say will not turn your opinion around, because your opinion is not based on the elements at hand, but on your own bias. It is hard to change the mind of one that does not see things for what they are. Your reply to me was completely without merit, and add to that the fact that you are an observer in this war, I ignored it.
Oratu	Posted - 2006.10.23 03:42:00 - [609] U know i dont usually post in these threads but i will take a minutite of my time so share a little something with both sides of the fence. Do not bother replying, or flaming what iam about to say, because i will not reply to whatever it is you are about to say, because quite frankly 90% of the post's in these "ascn vs BoB" threads are made by those that have no clue what so ever about the mechanics or warfare and or have no life. Just to be clear, iam in ASCN. Now seing as tho people in this alternative reality, seem to liken conflicts that occour in said reality, to real life war i say the following based on this idoelogy. Ok first to the ladies and gents of Band of Brothers. I keep seeing a trend in the majority of your post's, and this trend seems to suggest u are basing the fact that because you have more kills than ascn your are winning... Killboards statistics are no indicator of wich side is winning, and to use such statistics in this way tells me that, whoever makes such judgements, knows about as much about warfare, as i know about women, nothing.. I myself dont post on killboard, main reason being, i cant be farked, i dont die enough/kill enough to warrant the effort, IMO ccp should intergrate kill stats into the game... Sub note on kill stats: u say you did not commit the titan fraud, i have no evidience you did and thus will not cast blame, but i will however use your arguemnt in realtion to how easy they are to forge, and i use this arguement, as one of many examples, of why killboards are no indicator of who is winning..) I will admit this tho, u guys are quite awesome on the battlefield, and have killed me a few times.. :) Ok now to both sides Honestly, i wish bob would fark off back to there space, and we got the fark out of there's (tcag), but i know that aint gunna happen. (politic's and religion, both are the causes of war, and usually religion governs politics, but in eve, religon seldom exist's, so it dont take a brain surgeon to figure out why we are fighting) It was bound to occur some time, the two biggest alliances, seing wich one had the biggest johnson and hey bit of war is good now and then, restructure a few systems here and there, and as they say nothing last's forever and everything changes (thats just life). I have been whitness to both sides pulling the occasional logoffski, really thats human nature (strange even in a alternitive reality), self preservation. and to hear both sides harp on about it like 2 year olds is prethetic to say the least. Spies, well, again, likining this game to RL conflict, they come part and par with warfare No resposible leader should go into war without prior intelligence.... (CIA, MI5,mossad, ASIO anyone ??) How will this conflict end ?? well that fact can be governed by those that lead us (molle and cyvok), so only they really know, to be quite honest tho, should they choose to let this carry out, it will never end, ever, bob have the skill, we have the numbers (no iam not saying ascn does not have skilled players, iam basing this statement on t2 pilots and what i have seen logistics wise) My comments on our leadership ??, well,i may not agree with some of what goes down, politics wise in ASCN, but that does not make ASCN a bad alliance, iam quite fond of my place amongst things, and i believe in the ascn ideal and i believe cyvok does what he does for the better of the alliance, as Sir molle does what he does for the better of his alliance.. But this does not make what both may think is better for there respected alliances, the right thing, it is up to us as members of our respected alliances to judge that for ourselves and react accordingly (ie stay, fight, leave, whinge, whatever) I trust what is going on at the moment (ie the threat of incursion, into space we hold claim over), and view it as one of those things that i dont want to do, but i have to do, so ..continued
Oratu	Posted - 2006.10.23 03:43:00 - [610] i will continue do do what i do in ascn.. (as will alot of you BoB chaps will in BoB) Final note to both sides: Let us both quit with this waste of effort, that is "ascn vs bob" threads, and get down to the business of fighting this war, opinions are all good, but common, both alliances have there faults, if u dont,like ascn, join bob, if u dont like bob, join ascn, simple, less effort on these boards, more effort on the field.... Final patriotic note: ASCN ftw ! (sorry bob, i do love my ascn, if i didnt i would not be part of it) Final note to BoB: (to most of your members) respect, iam having a ball
Rainbow Jesus Minmatar Grief Tactics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.10.23 04:08:00 - [611] FUSED are very much looking foreward to jumping into this mess. We will hold a NBSI ofc. All parties who fear for their safety with us in local should stay docked, or at a deep SS as none of us can use scan probes yet, you'll be safe.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.23 05:49:00 - [612] Originally by: Rebellion What is the difference, you ask? The difference is the dividing line between what is true and what is untrue. The goons did the things we accused them of, while we do not do things that ASCN are saying we do. The line between truth and falsehood is a very important one. The fact that you made that comparison shows that you do not see it. I see it all too clear mate. Whenever you go to war the other side has to endure endless bantering on the forums. If not for some RL icky issue than its for the other side accusing you of exploiting. Oh noes! They must the absolute and utter ebil!!11!!one This fanatism is too obvious for bystanders like me. Having BBQ parties is sweet and nice but turning into haters is totally over the top and silly.
Ian Novarider Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.23 13:04:00 - [613] /me just inserts random sig for giggles Have fun - we do Ian Quote: Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
Al Haquis Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 13:20:00 - [614] Good post Oratu. See you on the field. With love from Al Haquis
Scan 7 Detroit School of Engineering	Posted - 2006.10.23 13:44:00 - [615] Heh comon BoB do you really have a problem with ASCN leaders demonizing you to get there carebears to fight? how else they gonna get em to fight? Im sure the BoB Leaders did similar Blacklight: No matter how much booze i give my pilots they're bored ****less & keep asking if we can gank RKK, what can we do? DBP: Lets have another meet have have dian strip for us again Blacklight: No thanks once is bad enough, he couldnt even get wood :( Molle: I have a better idea, lets hit the biggest carebears on the map. DBP & BL: MC !!!!! Molle: Sigh, do i have to do all the thinking around here??? NO I MENT ASCN MWAHAHAHAHAAA BoB CEO's: Right we're gonan go attack ASCN guys BoB Members: Hmm why? BoB CEO's: Cos they're fat carebears who just mine and make loads of money thus have plenty of ships to blow up, and tbh theres no one else worth fighting BoB Members: OMG KILLLL CAREBEARSSS!! YES YES SPAMM THE FORUMS1!111 //Sun Ra
Reite Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.23 15:29:00 - [616] Edited by: Reite on 23/10/2006 15:33:13 Originally by: Oratu Sub note on kill stats: u say you did not commit the titan fraud, i have no evidience you did and thus will not cast blame, but i will however use your arguemnt in realtion to how easy they are to forge, and i use this arguement, as one of many examples, of why killboards are no indicator of who is winning..) The thing is. If BoB started faking killmails it would very very soon be discovered, and it would surely be all over the forums. And i know for sure that most of BoB would refrain from joining in on something like that. We have no need to fake killmails, we get enough of them in the proper way:) And about the titan killmail. Im not accusing u of accusing us for anything, but how stupid do people think we are? Faking a Titan killmail would gain us nothing. When we kill the Titan everyone will know it edit: this post wasnt aimed at you really. It was just a general answer to everyone who dont believe in our killboard.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:26:00 - [617] Found this on IGN ------ relaxed corp looking for members
Robet Katrix Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:29:00 - [618] Originally by: Splagada Found this on IGN ....wow clueless?
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:08:00 - [619] i even never been in the south, just relaying some "other info" lol. could care less, i only read this thread for the signatures :D ------ relaxed corp looking for members
D75485 Underworld Zombies	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:59:00 - [620] I only want to know how both sides are doing ?
Kar'Dargo Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:14:00 - [621] Any, third party update on the status of the war with Bob and ASCN current? Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
RogueWing Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:32:00 - [622] Originally by: Kar'Dargo Any, third party update on the status of the war with Bob and ASCN current? I'm not third party, but it's pretty much the same as it was last week. TCAG and GQ2 are still the primary areas of battle with smaller skirmishes breaking out in a few other areas. Neither side shows signs of slowing down or giving up. Only in ASCN would someone consider the solution to being short an office to be "Drop another Outpost"
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:39:00 - [623] Originally by: RogueWing Originally by: Kar'Dargo Any, third party update on the status of the war with Bob and ASCN current? I'm not third party, but it's pretty much the same as it was last week. TCAG and GQ2 are still the primary areas of battle with smaller skirmishes breaking out in a few other areas. Neither side shows signs of slowing down or giving up. nothing is happening in tcag tbh... Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
TheKiller8 Caldari S.A.S Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:24:00 - [624] Originally by: D75485 I only want to know how both sides are doing ? Pretty much what you'd expect BoB hasn't captured any outposts ASCN hasn't captured any outposts BoB pvp's better than ASCN You know you are not allowed to link your website on the forums due to the bad language in use. Link removed. -wystler Kiss my ass, ISD! my website is in frakkin EON baby yeah!
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:41:00 - [625] Originally by: TheKiller8 Originally by: D75485 I only want to know how both sides are doing ? Pretty much what you'd expect BoB hasn't captured any outposts ASCN hasn't captured any outposts BoB pvp's better than ASCN I demand a flash movie Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Robet Katrix Beagle Corp R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:51:00 - [626] Originally by: TheKiller8 Originally by: D75485 I only want to know how both sides are doing ? Pretty much what you'd expect BoB hasn't captured any outposts ASCN hasn't captured any outposts BoB pvp's better than ASCN tbh thats like the best summary of the war in like 3 weeks
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:35:00 - [627] Originally by: Robet Katrix Originally by: TheKiller8 Originally by: D75485 I only want to know how both sides are doing ? Pretty much what you'd expect BoB hasn't captured any outposts ASCN hasn't captured any outposts BoB pvp's better than ASCN tbh thats like the best summary of the war in like 3 weeks ya thats a clean summary!!! but is it true that bob pays ccp 1 trillion isk a month so they can cheat? i heard it thru a freind of a friends mom... USN loves you all
Miv333 Caldari NOPHEX PRISIM Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:41:00 - [628] Originally by: USN CVN72 Originally by: Robet Katrix Originally by: TheKiller8 Originally by: D75485 I only want to know how both sides are doing ? Pretty much what you'd expect BoB hasn't captured any outposts ASCN hasn't captured any outposts BoB pvp's better than ASCN tbh thats like the best summary of the war in like 3 weeks ya thats a clean summary!!! but is it true that bob pays ccp 1 trillion isk a month so they can cheat? i heard it thru a freind of a friends mom... USN loves you all "ASCN hasn't captured any POS's" may change within 24 hours Oo "Bobs pvp is better" should stay the same if what i heard tonight was true =p -Miv
Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:41:00 - [629] Originally by: USN CVN72 Originally by: Robet Katrix Originally by: TheKiller8 Originally by: D75485 I only want to know how both sides are doing ? Pretty much what you'd expect BoB hasn't captured any outposts ASCN hasn't captured any outposts BoB pvp's better than ASCN tbh thats like the best summary of the war in like 3 weeks ya thats a clean summary!!! but is it true that bob pays ccp 1 trillion isk a month so they can cheat? i heard it thru a freind of a friends mom... USN loves you all Don't tell me you heard that in the basement too where all the RL rejects are? right? ps. we had to pay 1,5 last month cause of the added "die node die"- and "insta log in" hax buttons. -- Nobody stays behind
Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:43:00 - [630] Originally by: Miv333 "ASCN hasn't captured any POS's" may change within 24 hours Oo How do you capture a POS? (I know you mean OP tho) -- Nobody stays behind
Rutefly Amarr Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:29:00 - [631] Originally by: hothead lets be brutally honest here guys.... there is no other alliance in EVE atm that can match BOB ... But there is also no need for their members to come on here and make fun of there opponents and slander them because they aint as good as them....if they fight you and they lose they get flamed.. if they dotn fight you and hide to save ships they get flamed.... BOB has managed to get most of the best pvpers in EVE into 1 allaince and then say to the rest of EVE fight us or else.. kinda sad.. I have some freinds in BOB from the old FA and i can also see why they might do it also because of the boredom but that partly is your own doing.... EVOL have become what i seem to recall they would never be.... this aint a flame just my observation since coming back and playing eve... flame me if you must but ive tried to be honest about what i think.. You spoke my mind. Also its kinda obvious that ASCN isnt going to bite on this bait-thread anytime soon. I've heard alot of great stuff about BOB, but this thread made me annoyed with many BOB members. BOB has a everyone-speak-their-mind policy perhaps ? If so, thats great i think. Moral responsibility of ones behavior is allowed too i think. We cant all act like adults all the time, but we damn well could try and give it a shot (oops, sounds like my ex.).
D75485 Underworld Zombies	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:34:00 - [632] looks like ascn is having fun and bob is not lol
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:53:00 - [633] Originally by: D75485 looks like ascn is having fun and bob is not lol infact you are correct. The fact that the US crew demolished 7 dreads while I was asleep has taken all the fun out of this game for me. I will now leave BoB and go join ASCN and die by the droves Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.26 18:56:00 - [634] Originally by: D75485 looks like ascn is having fun and bob is not lol Yes because dying and losing every fleet battle has gotta be more fun than the opposite, right?
Shinjuro Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.10.27 03:11:00 - [635] 21 pages of pure flames (as it should be). OP posted request for details (which he got through ignorant replies), and then ensue flame wars. I only wish more people would request information on this war . Alts rule the bizzy.
D75485 Underworld Zombies	Posted - 2006.10.27 19:20:00 - [636] I did not think BOB you guys was having fun not for lose but for not having some one good to fight
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.27 23:19:00 - [637] we love the shooty shooty !! - Ferocious FeAr > bob are****got pussies

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