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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.10.31 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Xander Teg on 01/11/2003 13:32:14
The purpose of this post is to establish you cannot lump all pirates into one group. I am about doing what is most profitable for me. If a pirate offers me a ransom and that ransom is less then the loss of my ship i pay it, but if that pirate is just going to blow me up regardless of whether i pay him or not then i don't want to pay the toll.
I think communication between pirate victims is the best way to come up with a list of pirates worth paying and ones that you can just direct to he11, and the forums are a good place for this so i will begin with some of my and my corp mates experiences:
Space Invaders:
Not myself, or anyone i know have been destroyed after paying a ransom to them. Everytime i have payed, they have let me pass without any hassle. The key is to remember that to my knowledge they don't always go for the ransom, so don't expect to get the opportunity to pay a ransom everytime you see them. But when they do give you the opportunity, and you pay it, they will keep their word 10 times out of 10. This has been my and others experience.
Jokers:
They ran down a close friend of mine in deep fade region, and trapped him. He payed them 4M in ransom, but the the killing torpedo had already been launched. When my friends ship blew up, Jexter, apologized and gave my friend back the 4M. Like SI i will pay the Jokers everytime they give the opportunity, but as their website clearly states they do not always give it.
Tundragon:
Click here for an account where one of our indies payed a ransom to Xpohoc and still got podkilled. Don't pay these guys, the will not honor any randsom.
If anyone ever pays a ransom and gets podkilled anyway, please post it here, so others of us don't need to learn the hard way.
This forum is intended as a means to share experiences with eachother so we can learn the easy way who we can pay and not pay to minimize loss.
Edited: because of bad spelling and one of my points was being taken in an unintended context
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SuicideFred
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:07:00 -
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There's not such thing as a honorable pirate. People who kill and steal are not honorable.
Saying a pirate is honorable is like saying a turd smells good.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:09:00 -
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An 'honorable' pirates does not exploit (CCP's crap notwithstanding).
A dishonest pirate exploits when ever it's 'legal' and makes the game unplayable.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:09:00 -
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Stupid.
yes i am very stupid. Thanks for your contribution.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:11:00 -
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Ransom.
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:12:00 -
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"For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack."
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Crysania
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:15:00 -
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Bad people can have honor. A code of conduct. A pirate can build a reputation as one who ransoms people's lives and ships. This action is still bad, but its predictable and offers a framework to work in.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:18:00 -
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My experiences of pirates leads me to believe that finding one who doesn't use an exploit would be like finding a white guy who can dance.
I've never engaged SI or Biomass or Jokers so I couldn't really say anything about them.
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Arms Merchant
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:19:00 -
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Until CCP steps up and starts banning the more extreme griefers in the game all you'll have is this mixing of pirates. These griefers proclaim themselves to be pirates but in reality camping a jumpin point and lagging people to death so they jump and wake up in a cloning vat is nothing but griefing.
If CCP would get rid of these really bad ones (like Tank CEO who last we heard was podding newbies in 1.0 space with a -10.0 rating) I think legitimate piracy would reappear (like Setec used to do).
If the really bad pirate "jerks" who arent pirates at all but PK griefers were banned from the game it would save the game because the rest of us including the honest pirates could be happy again. Instead CCP does nothing and alienates the entire carebear community.
Arms Merchant
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 31/10/2003 16:25:24
A good many people has a set of codes which they choose to live by, them being different from yours is what makes you label them bad.
People not abiding by any code of sorts is deemed a non-person in my book as they lack a core and can and will be swayed by events around them to betray those close to them.
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:22:00 -
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Until CCP steps up and starts banning the more extreme griefers in the game all you'll have is this mixing of pirates. These griefers proclaim themselves to be pirates but in reality camping a jumpin point and lagging people to death so they jump and wake up in a cloning vat is nothing but griefing.
If CCP would get rid of these really bad ones (like Tank CEO who last we heard was podding newbies in 1.0 space with a -10.0 rating) I think legitimate piracy would reappear (like Setec used to do).
If the really bad pirate "jerks" who arent pirates at all but PK griefers were banned from the game it would save the game because the rest of us including the honest pirates could be happy again. Instead CCP does nothing and alienates the entire carebear community.
Arms Merchant
Beta 4 Tester
Eve was never a game for carebears.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:26:00 -
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Every game is about balance and a set of clearly definable rules otherwise it's not a game.
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Arms Merchant
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:32:00 -
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LLiad I disagree. Look at all the market, reserach, stock market, production options in the game it was clearly meant to be much more then a PvP game.
If you think it was never meant for "carebears" your wrong. I think it wasn't meant for griefers who PK without warning.
This is way beyond the wars we see happening. I'm talking about a whole group of people being alienated and quitting the game because of it. You can laugh and joke but I've had four real life friends quit in the last two weeks because theyre tired of the forced PvP play. Id like to see some options (besides "stay in empire space") for them to play the game. I mean we all want people to stay and I'm sure CCP does too.
Dont you too?
Arms Merchant
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:34:00 -
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Arms Merchant,
Forced PvP?
Huh?
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SuicideFred
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:34:00 -
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Stupid.
yes i am very stupid.
Well I guess that explains why you think people that steal and kill are honorable.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:36:00 -
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Without evil there can be no good.
If we live without both then the Universe would become such a boring place.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:37:00 -
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Ppl can do market ect if they want. That dont make you a carebare.
Complaning when you get killed makes you a carebare.
Have you watched ccps eve video?
Your friends should have paid more attention to the game thet bought.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:38:00 -
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My experiences of pirates leads me to believe that finding one who doesn't use an exploit would be like finding a white guy who can dance.
Shuddup Josh! I'm a great mover and I'm a big, thickset, neanderthal type bloke!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:40:00 -
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My experiences of pirates leads me to believe that finding one who doesn't use an exploit would be like finding a white guy who can dance.
Shuddup Josh! I'm a great mover and I'm a big, thickset, neanderthal type bloke!
Har har har!
I dance like an epileptic guy on speed!
*No offense to epileptic druggies.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:42:00 -
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LLiad I disagree. Look at all the market, reserach, stock market, production options in the game it was clearly meant to be much more then a PvP game.
If you think it was never meant for "carebears" your wrong. I think it wasn't meant for griefers who PK without warning.
This is way beyond the wars we see happening. I'm talking about a whole group of people being alienated and quitting the game because of it. You can laugh and joke but I've had four real life friends quit in the last two weeks because theyre tired of the forced PvP play. Id like to see some options (besides "stay in empire space") for them to play the game. I mean we all want people to stay and I'm sure CCP does too.
Dont you too?
Arms Merchant
Beta 4 Tester
and all this from a guy who's corp is 'Weapons R us' and a name 'Arms merchant' way to go double standard on us.
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Xander Teg on 31/10/2003 16:47:32
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I dance like an epileptic guy on speed!
*No offense to epileptic druggies.
I'm sorry Josh but it is going to take more than that weak disclaimer to keep me from being offended. On behalf of epileptic druggies everywhere shame on you, you epileptic-junkie-hater.
incidentally, has anyone ever payed a ransom and still gotten "blowed-up". I sure would like to know about it.
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Hackett
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Hackett on 31/10/2003 16:52:55
Edited by: Hackett on 31/10/2003 16:51:41
Well - the biggest ruck I have been in with Pirates was the other week in FD vs MOO/RUS/TLBC.
There were no exploits, no smack talk and no cheating - just 2 fleets (theirs bigger  ) wanting to bash each other up. Which we did resulting in me losing a ship, but not my life.
So I have no complaints at all about pirates at the moment - the ones I have encontered have been decent enuff.
Edtited twice cos I'm looking at the clock at work
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.10.31 17:05:00 -
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If the really bad pirate "jerks" who arent pirates at all but PK griefers were banned from the game it would save the game because the rest of us including the honest pirates could be happy again. Instead CCP does nothing and alienates the entire carebear community.
So its ok to blow up someones ship after you ask for ransom money but its not ok to just blow up someones ship? HAHAHAHAHA WTF? Your a hypocrite. And btw pirates arent the only ones who use the lag jumpin points
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.10.31 17:08:00 -
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So its ok to blow up someones ship after you ask for ransom money but its not ok to just blow up someones ship?
Its all ok as far as i'm concerned. I just want to know about it so i can adapt my playstyle accordingly.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.10.31 17:14:00 -
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Those who have a problem with the notion of a pirate being honourable, just edit the title in your own mind to "pirates who do/don't keep their word after ransom payment."
Those who can't tell the difference between a game that *allows* PvP and a game that *requires* it; those who can't tell the difference between complaining because you got killed, and complaining because you got killed by an exploit; clear off. You don't belong in any game until you learn to read properly.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.10.31 18:27:00 -
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If you 'appear' as a clone after have jumped a gate (never happend to me since I check the map) and you coulden't obviously do anything whatsoever about it, then it's not a game, it's just pure bull****.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Wynter Ivy
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Posted - 2003.10.31 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Wynter Ivy on 31/10/2003 19:02:55
Can't agree with the initial post regarding Space Invaders. I had just blown a wad on some implants for myself (this was about a month ago or more when you could still get some of those initial drop perception-altering implants for a decent price). And I got caught in a blockade by SI when I was stupidly auto-piloting around without paying attention. Had 22mil left after the implant purchaces and gave it up without any hassle. Then they scanned my Apoc and saw the equipment I had just gotten from a lucky hunting spree in Stain and demanded more. If that isn't retarded I don't know what is. Why should my equipment have anything to do with how much money I have? Sadly my corp mates had just dropped offline by a node crash that affected me a minute later but not the SI guys. My ship was destroyed and I was podded pi$$ing away the implants.
To add insult to injury, my corp had a NAP with Setec after a big mineral deal we had done with them. When my CEO very diplomatically contacted them about this, he was told to go f*ck himself.
I don't mind the piracy or the getting caught by them: it was my own stupid fault for not paying attention and checking the map. But their demanding more money after I paid up and then podding me despite my appearing to log off ON TOP of the NAP is what really got my goat. So I rate SI as quite dishonorable.
If I ever get caught by them again I would destroy my ship before giving them anything.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.31 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 31/10/2003 19:23:59
Any comment on that dismantling of credibility drunkenmaster?
Pirating your NAPs and blowing him/her/it up despite having payed a reasonable ransom... 
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.31 19:58:00 -
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Wynter Ivy, I think I love you.
;)
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Mastema
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Posted - 2003.10.31 20:09:00 -
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Wynter Ivy's corp when we wanted a hq in a system where no-one goes anyways - "Yea, well we would give you the office space but I really cant be bothered to move that far, how about you pay me 10m (or summint silly) and we'll talk"
Then we stole the stuff from the apoc (55m in total we made from your ship btw) "Plz plz plz give us the items back! we'll GIVE you the office you wanted!" - Ofcourse alot of time had passed since we asked, and the office was no longer required by SI :)
Research with Duvolle Laboratories or you'll end up in the meat grinder!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.31 20:17:00 -
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"Wynter Ivy's corp when we wanted a hq in a system where no-one goes anyways - "Yea, well we would give you the office space but I really cant be bothered to move that far, how about you pay me 10m (or summint silly) and we'll talk"
Then we stole the stuff from the apoc (55m in total we made from your ship btw) "Plz plz plz give us the items back! we'll GIVE you the office you wanted!" - Ofcourse alot of time had passed since we asked, and the office was no longer required by SI :)"
... Doesn't change the fact despite SI claims how no one who pays the ransom ever get podded you did pod and kill the pilot after they paid you, non?..
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.31 20:32:00 -
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When we demand a toll, we require you to pay ALL of it. not just what you can afford and logoff.
Thats not considered "paying the toll"
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Livak
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Posted - 2003.10.31 20:37:00 -
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Mastema, the station issue was a no-brainer. The last that was spoken about that was that we'd need a little time to clean the office out before handing it over. While we were a little slow to do so, it was hardly a reason to simply begin attacking our people without a warning that the NAP was over. Sorry, but that's just no excuse.
Wynter has said her peace on the matter; it was never about the money or the items. It was about honor. Wynter made a mistake and paid a ransom honorably. Don't try to shift the blame to where it isn't due.
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Attica
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Posted - 2003.10.31 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Hackett on 31/10/2003 16:52:55
Edited by: Hackett on 31/10/2003 16:51:41
Well - the biggest ruck I have been in with Pirates was the other week in FD vs MOO/RUS/TLBC.
There were no exploits, no smack talk and no cheating - just 2 fleets (theirs bigger ) wanting to bash each other up. Which we did resulting in me losing a ship, but not my life.
So I have no complaints at all about pirates at the moment - the ones I have encontered have been decent enuff.
Edtited twice cos I'm looking at the clock at work
I too was involved in a tuff with the 3 aforementioned groups. I was coming back from a solo farming outting in the cloud ring region and jumped into my Dominix half dead. I couldnt move but sit and watch my ship die. I offered ransome but they refused saying "we're not here for money". I hung around in my pod for a few secs talking to them and not a one tried to kill my pod. Not once did I complain or whine. I can respect a pirate that takes your ship but leaves you to pod fly home. I know some wont agree with the whole "respect" word being used but hey....lets face it...the ones that let you live could do alot worse than just take your ship!! I wish I had captured a screen shot b/c it was an awesome sight to see with all the drones and BS's up my as*. lol
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.31 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 31/10/2003 20:39:46
"When we demand a toll, we require you to pay ALL of it. not just what you can afford and logoff."
... Leaving aside questionable point of asking for more money than one can actually pay.. is that original poster telling truth about you changing mind about how much money you want, after your original demand was met without complaint? O.o
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.10.31 20:41:00 -
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Perhaps when you demand a toll, you should demand ALL of it and not up it step by step.
Nevermind that you should at least have given the initial payment back after you killed her. Keeping the money and podding isn't really the trademark of an honorable pirate.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.31 21:03:00 -
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Err the point you dont get is, we're not arguing how to pirate here. When we hold someone up, we're the judge, the jury and the executioner.
We may do WHATEVER we wish. dont try lecturing us on piracy.
But we choose to toll, and let people go. We could just as easy kill on sight.
We stopped a ship, demanded all the money he had upfront to make sure he didnt run, and proceeded to cargo & ship scan him. it turns out he has a 150mil ship, so we demand more. He decides to logoff, we decide to pod.
thats it! if he paid the sum we requested he would be free, anyone think that wouldnt have happened? its the only way its been before.
Dont make up rules about being honorable etc. etc. Pay the toll or die, simple. We dont care about what you think, the facts are simple. If you pay, you'll go free. if you decide you're smart and logoff you'll die.
Sorry no refunds for logging off 
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.31 21:11:00 -
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Whichever which way it breaks down, if Wynter Ivy has given a true account of this staged extortion then it makes a lie of Space Invaders "honourable" reputation and means that the thread starter should slash his list of "honourable" pirate corps down to just one.
"Pay me X or I kill you"
"Err okay I will pay X"
(Counts the money)
"Now pay me more ... muhahhahahha!"
Sorry chaps ... but that is a scumbags game without any ifs or buts.
And Viceroy you are utterly full of it.
Last night you preached at me in the Rual character assassination thread;
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We dont need to prove ourselves on a stupid forum.
We are the only corp that strictly stands by the "tolling" aspect of the game. No one that has payed us ever died.
We have proven ourselves in PvP over and over, we have risked ships against overwhelming odds and won. We have lost plenty of ships, yet never whined.
Actions speak louder than words Jade.
Well need too or not, but you have proved yourself on the forums Viceroy ... proved that you are a lying deceiver and you do kill people who pay.
But lets face it ... thats not news to anyone who reads the rubbish Biobuddy Space Cadets post on a regular basis.
And yes "actions do speak louder than words".
Your actions have chucked away any "honourable" pirate rep you guys pretended to from Setec's day. Congratulations.
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Wynter Ivy
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Posted - 2003.10.31 21:11:00 -
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Sorry, Livak, just one more post in response to the "telling the truth" post.
This occurred in a private chat so as not to alert players in local:
Mastema > Turn off your engines or you will be destroyed.
Mastema > Give us 50m isk and we'll let you go.
Mastema > Excuse me, but I've got to hurry things along here.
NOTE -- My corp mates had gone node dead here so weren't responding to my requests for the extra cash.
Wynter Ivy > I've only got 22m on me.
-- pause --
Mastema > That's fine.
-- I xfer the money
-- slightly long pause --
Wynter Ivy > Am I free to go?
Mastema > Please stand by...
-- long pause --
Mastema > Holy ****!
Mastema > Give us more now or we will destroy your ship and take your cargo.
Wynter Ivy > You scanned me?
Mastema > Yes.
Wynter Ivy > Did you see what I have?
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-- I went node dead at this point.
When he said he'd take my "cargo", I didn't realize he'd actually scanned my whole ship. In my cargo I was carrying some agent mission items since I had just graduated from a level 1 to 2 and was moving the "insta-mission" items to the new agent's station. Thus my last question in bewilderment since I was wondering what the hell he wanted with units of Quaffe and stuff like that. Plus I was quite shaken since it was the first time I'd gotten caught. It wasn't until Livak spoke with them later that we realized he'd actually scanned my modules. But like Livak said, it wasn't about the ship or the money.
It was the simple fact that I paid what I could and was not allowed to pass.
With that, I am done.
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Lottsa Pox
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Posted - 2003.10.31 21:27:00 -
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Just a thought,
How many of you have seen a pirate in local or a ton of them? Now how many of you sought a CIVIL conversation with one? Starting a conversation with F*** Y** and your a Piece of S*** is probably the last thing you want to do. Try the civil convo you would be surprised at the reaction you will get.
Not saying that pirates dont provoke the knee jerk FU reaction but hey negotiations can start much easier without alot of animosity built up. I know this doesnt work at jump in point camps usually but gate camping or station camping still exist. Most pirates can even get the amount of ransom negotiated down. Hell i let an imicus past me for 80k. Not saying I have a heart just saying the individual was Civil and actually started the negotiations with pleasantries. It is quite a refreshing change.
Enjoy the game, I know I am
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya Pod
BioMass Cartel
Podding a system near you
Enjoy the game, I know I am
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.31 21:41:00 -
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Mr Pox, I'm always the height of manners in local and I must confess I have found an awful lot of pirates to be cheats and scoundrels even so.
For example.
(Approaching the gate at Ewok some time ago)
Phoney from Andreas Pandemonian was in system obviously camping and pimping local for victims.
So I strike up a chat enquiring if he would take a toll for my passage (I was in a slow bestower and really didn't fancy running the blockade without my lifs and custom overdrives)
We have a discussion, set a price, then I made him swear to keep his word - He did. I paid him the ransom 200k ... ;)
So, I make the warp to the gate.
As soon as I hit realspace Phoney starts to lock in his Apoc and I am thinking ... "bugger, how stupid is this going to look on the forums in the morning."
I think I typed "cheeky rascal!" or something in local while gritting my teeth and lighting the shopbought burners.
Fortunately (and somewhat amazingly) the Apoc didn't manage to kill my bestower in 4 volleys of tachyon fire and I reached the gate and jumped.
So much for negotiating with a civil approach!
I think what people need to realise is the golden days of "honourable" pirates are gone forever (if they ever existed) and those who call themselves that today are mostly just wreckers who want to kill ships and take the loot.
Only fools would pay over money to pirate corps and trust their good intentions.*
I think legal starfarers just need to consider themselves at war with pirates and if they get stopped or blocked or trapped its just a war casualty. Take it and move on.
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*exception still being Jokers .. who I think are playing the game the way Space Invaders used to play it under Setec.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.31 21:52:00 -
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once again jade you spin the thread to your own interests.
No one that ever paid space invaders died.
This is true. But it doesnt mean you can send us whatever amount of cash you "see fit". We decide how much you pay. Simple as that.
The Vector incident resulted in podding when the target logged off in the middle of negociations. Too bad, but thats what usually happens when people logoff on us, we dont say "dude he paid half of what we wanted, lets let him go". thats not the way piracy works.
We didnt pod him after he gave us what we wanted, we podded him because he LOGGED OFF while we were STILL negociating. Yeah we wanted more money, because his ship was more valuable than we thought. you blame us for that? pfft.
So spin it Jade, continue spinning it, over and over, the forum war never ends!
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.31 21:53:00 -
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My last conversation with a pirate or actually asking a question in local was him telling me to 'stfu', the wordsmith!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.31 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 31/10/2003 22:06:04
Space Invader mathematics class 101:
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No one that ever paid space invaders died.
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Wynter Ivy > I've only got 22m on me.
-- pause --
Mastema > That's fine.
-- I xfer the money
-- slightly long pause --
Wynter Ivy > Am I free to go?
Mastema > Please stand by...
-- long pause --
Mastema > Holy ****!
Mastema > Give us more now or we will destroy your ship and take your cargo.
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This is true. But it doesnt mean you can send us whatever amount of cash you "see fit". We decide how much you pay. Simple as that.
She made an offer ... Mastema said "fine"; he took the cash, then got greedy and renaged on the deal.
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you blame us for that? pfft.
Nope, I blame you for trying to pretend to be what you are not. You are dishonest scamsters and scum ... providing homes for corp thieves, exhorting beyond agreed deals, falsely accusing people of lying and then going smack-happy to cover up your mistakes ...
Sorry Viceroy ... but your corp is scum.
(in-game of course)
I am sure you are all lovely in real life and are just roleplaying being arrogant numpties and teenage tosspots.
Love and peace
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DATEK
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Posted - 2003.10.31 22:09:00 -
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Honorable Pirates? You can paint sh*t a pretty color, but its still sh*t.
I got your toll, right here. Greif to the griefers.
DATEK
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.31 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Lianhaun on 31/10/2003 22:31:05
Can't agree with the initial post regarding Space Invaders. I had just blown a wad on some implants for myself (this was about a month ago or more when you could still get some of those initial drop perception-altering implants for a decent price). And I got caught in a blockade by SI when I was stupidly auto-piloting around without paying attention. Had 22mil left after the implant purchaces and gave it up without any hassle. Then they scanned my Apoc and saw the equipment I had just gotten from a lucky hunting spree in Stain and demanded more. If that isn't retarded I don't know what is. Why should my equipment have anything to do with how much money I have? Sadly my corp mates had just dropped offline by a node crash that affected me a minute later but not the SI guys. My ship was destroyed and I was podded pi$$ing away the implants.
To add insult to injury, my corp had a NAP with Setec after a big mineral deal we had done with them. When my CEO very diplomatically contacted them about this, he was told to go f*ck himself.
I don't mind the piracy or the getting caught by them: it was my own stupid fault for not paying attention and checking the map. But their demanding more money after I paid up and then podding me despite my appearing to log off ON TOP of the NAP is what really got my goat. So I rate SI as quite dishonorable.
If I ever get caught by them again I would destroy my ship before giving them anything.
Your first offer was too low, thats why the negotiating went further. We always ship and cargo scan if we have the chance, but it takes some time before these scans are completed.
Its Space Invaders policy to kill anyone who logs off before negotiating is over. This has been the case ever since people log off too try and escape ( your ships vanishes).
It may be unfortunate for you, because as you say you didn't logg off on purpose. But it happend.
Personally I regret that your node died, I'm fairly sure that if you stayed online, and talked more you and Mastema would have agreed on a deal that would have satiesfied both parties.
I will test on chaos what happends if you go offline and come back, if autopilot switches on immediatly or if you stay on for a few seconds.
I'm sorry this has happend
This is not a hijack
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.31 22:37:00 -
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"I will test on chaos what happends if you go offline and come back, if autopilot switches on immediatly or if you stay on for a few seconds."
... I think if your connection crashes then the ship continues to perform the commands it was told to do before the crash -- be it moving, shooting or whatever. It happened to me today while i had my ship set to orbit another vessel. After re-logging i found my ship still doing those loops just like i left it. O,o
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.31 22:42:00 -
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even when the other ship was not there? o-0
If thats that the case, I doubt much will change 
I'll still test it, with some other ships around me. If it takes a few seconds before space is loaded then we could have a lock on again.
This is not a hijack
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.31 22:47:00 -
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"even when the other ship was not there? o-0"
Hmm no; my ship was orbitting the other one, and when i crashed my ship didn't apparently disappear, but remained in space doing whatever it was told to do before the crash occured ^^;;
... Meaning, if you have someone locked and scrambled and whatnot then their ship probably remains like that even when they crash... but since the person disappears from local then there's no way to tell it from the 'normal' logging, so you would be forced to shoot it anyway i guess...
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PoXiE
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Posted - 2003.10.31 23:02:00 -
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why would you pay 22mil to pass thru a gate.
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Kasha
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Posted - 2003.10.31 23:13:00 -
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Quote:
why would you pay 22mil to pass thru a gate.
To save your ship , modules, cargo, implants worth over 150 million.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.31 23:16:00 -
[52]
Well it didn't help now did it...
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.31 23:19:00 -
[53]
makes you feel extra stupid and doubly betrayed to be blown to bits because the pirates don't like the first "deal" they negotiated ...
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Dreez
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Posted - 2003.10.31 23:34:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Dreez on 31/10/2003 23:35:17
SI are chicken****s.. and uttery SCUM - they
try to bluff us that they got balls when they
all are accually hiding behind their Big mouth
and numbers.
They act with no respect to other players
and should recive no respect - when i hear
about SI i think of Bullies.. Big mouth
but when no one to back them up 
Face me 1 on 1 and weŚll see who has the balls.
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There are pirates i like , and those i dont.
'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.31 23:47:00 -
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SI are just like any other pirates - they're just smart enough to make you think otherwise.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Sally
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Posted - 2003.10.31 23:47:00 -
[56]
Quote:
Edited by: Dreez on 31/10/2003 23:35:17
SI are chicken****s.. and uttery SCUM - they
try to bluff us that they got balls when they
all are accually hiding behind their Big mouth
and numbers.
They act with no respect to other players
and should recive no respect - when i hear
about SI i think of Bullies.. Big mouth
but when no one to back them up
Face me 1 on 1 and weŚll see who has the balls.
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There are pirates i like , and those i dont.
Whatever.
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Stories: #1
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.11.01 00:04:00 -
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Interesting indeed.
Well, here is how i view this situation between Ivy and Mastema for what it is worth.
I think(correct me if i am wrong) it is the goal of SI to get as much money as possible from every encounter. If i were a pirate the formula i would use would be something like this:
if the ship is destroyed:
(1)pilot stands to lose: ship + mods + cargo
(2)pirate stands to gain: some mods + some cargo
since (1) > (2) the pirate can ask for a ransom somewhere greater then the value of (2) and less then the value of (1), and expect many players to pay it(myself included if i feel confident the pirate will let me go afterwards), this is what makes ransoming more profitable then just plain ganking, and it is why you want to encourage as many players to pay the ransom as possible if you are a pirate. To do this you must convince the players that by paying the ransom they will be free to go. This is best done by establishing a reputation for keeping your word in these types of situations.
What the pirate absolutly does not want to do is ask for a ransom less then the value of (2). This is elementary since he can just destroy the ship and make more isk off the loot.
The situation with Ivy i believe was a fluke. Mastema set the ransom value at less then (2), upon realizing his mistake he intended on correcting it, but before he could Ivy either logged off or crashed. Now you do not have time to think only react, and for a veteran gamer the choice is was simple, follow SOP, destroy the logger.
You have been forced into destroying the other players ship when that was not what you wanted. Now you are faced with another choice. You can either A) give the 22M back to the logger to maintain other players confidence in your willingness to keep your word when you ransom, or B)Screw the logger and just hope that it doesn't taint peoples willingness to pay your ransoms.
Short term B was more profitable, but by choosing it Ivy's corp will never pay an SI ransom again, and possibly a reader of these forums might be swayed just enough to do the same.
SI can do whatever they please. But as I see it, in this situation SI did not act in their own best interests, were it me i would have given the 22M back with an explaination of why i had done what i had done, and been happy with the 55M i got off the equipment. This way Ivy's corp would probably be willing to pay all tolls in the future.
Now i am no pirate, and i have no experience participating in piracy, so i could very well have my head firmly planted up my ass with this theory about pirating. This situation might very well have been a fluke. I guess it is up to each individual player to decide.
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"For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack."
-Rudyard Kipling
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Patrin Burzmali
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Posted - 2003.11.01 00:20:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Patrin Burzmali on 01/11/2003 00:20:39
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.11.01 00:26:00 -
[59]
Quote:
Whichever which way it breaks down, if Wynter Ivy has given a true account of this staged extortion then it makes a lie of Space Invaders "honourable" reputation and means that the thread starter should slash his list of "honourable" pirate corps down to just one.
Jade,
I am not changing my original post as i treat the information i get off the forums as second hand information only, that i keep in the back of my mind to optimize my success in game. My in-game experience with SI has not changed. Although you can be assured that I and my corpmates will have something else to think about next time SI catches any of us(Last time i was caught by SI was late July).
_________________
"For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack."
-Rudyard Kipling
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Torik
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Posted - 2003.11.01 02:27:00 -
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No player will pay a toll to a pirate if he believes that the pirate will pod him anyway. SI has developed a reputation for keeping their word as long as the toll is paid. Negotiating a deal and then requesting more when the victim pays up is just not kosher.
Maybe the SI member made a mistake when he said "that's fine" to the initial offer. However, once he agreed to the deal and got the money, he should have stuck with the initial deal.
If SI wants to keep its reputation as a pirate corp that can be negotiated with, they have to make sure that its members stick to deals they negotiate and not get greedy. If they keep performing acts that go against their reputation, they will quickly lose that reputation and never regain it. Then no one will pay them tolls ever.
SI are pirates and can do whather they want. However, if they want us to treat them different then the average scum pirate, they need to enforce their rules on their members.If they want to be 'businessman pirates' they better behave like businessmen.
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Tim Maser
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Posted - 2003.11.01 06:48:00 -
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I paid a 2mill toll to a Space Invader pirate, or it was going to be my 7mil uninsured ship. He kept his word about letting me go, that's the honorable part.
I think the whole topic is supposed to be about honorable pirates that keep their word, that don't stab you in the back after making a deal with them.
No one said what they do as a pirate to begin with is honorable, such as stealing and killing, that's out of context from what he was saying.
It's like an arguement I heard on radio. The talk show host took the normal line of, it's no one's business what goes on in the bedroom, which was refering to homosexuals, and took the line as if they just said everything was okay, like with kids and other bad stuff, that it had nothing to do with. He took the line out of context and tried to debunk what was originaly meant by using that tactic.
That's what I mean by out of context. When the topic starter said there are honorable pirates, he was refering to the part about keeping words and going by a code and such. Then some here are twisting it around by making it seem as if by saying that you agree with everything a pirate does is honorable, when it had nothing to do with that.
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EvilEric
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Posted - 2003.11.01 07:44:00 -
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Well, my main had encountered SI, and found them to be fine, I paid, they let me through... simple.
However I am a little conserned about Ivy's case. Once the person said "that's fine" that should be that.... To keep their reputation in tact they should give back the 22mil (chunk change since a certain corp thief entered their midst).
If you want a rep as a griefer pirate.. fine.
If you want a rep as a "honourable" pirate you got to work at it and it's HARD!!
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Sally
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Posted - 2003.11.01 10:04:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Sally on 01/11/2003 20:14:40
Quote:
Well, my main had encountered SI, and found them to be fine, I paid, they let me through... simple.
However I am a little conserned about Ivy's case. Once the person said "that's fine" that should be that.... To keep their reputation in tact they should give back the 22mil (chunk change since a certain corp thief entered their midst).
If you want a rep as a griefer pirate.. fine.
If you want a rep as a "honourable" pirate you got to work at it and it's HARD!!
1. We are not in a democracy, so you have no voting power what SI should do or not.
2. We always try to keep our word. Sometimes mistakes happen (friendly fire e.g.). But we usualy do not reimburse. We don't expect others to reimburse us too.
3. We sometimes just pod and do not provide a reason why we pod.
4. We sometimes say someone is free to pass (no toll paid) and blow him up anyway, to shut him up.
5. We are high quality pirates and I am sure, that we keep our word on a high level ratio, maybe even 100%. I don't know exactly, I can't control it, but I always kept my word.
6. As for Ivy, the negotations are over when the victim leaves our space. Anything strange while negotiating with us (link dead / log off) will result in SI trying to destroy the victim.
7. As for the NAP with VHI, I think it has been somehow voided when our mineral delivery deal has been terminated.
8. As for the idiots trying to enforce their moral standards on a pirate corp: Go figure it out!
9. I'm done with this thread.
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Leitari
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Posted - 2003.11.01 10:44:00 -
[64]
Now I can see that this post has already gone to hell but I'll try to say something about it, some people when encountering us give us alot of crap, saying ugly things to us, WE DONT LIKE THAT and it usually results in us killing the bastard. When someone from the same corporation jumps into the system we immediately kill whomever we are holding. When we are at places we consider war zones (Venal/PureBlind) it is very different what we do each time we go pirating, mostly we kill everything on sight but some get the privilege to be held for the toll.
I dont know about other pirates, I dont care but as for my self Im more interested in trying to hold people up, its alot more challenging than just killing them on sight. Of course there is no honor in doing evil deeds, just like in real life, but thats what this game is about, doing everything you dont do in real life.
But sometimes evil things are inevitable for a decent person.....
So when you meet us, please dont attack the person behind the caracter, go for the caracter.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.11.01 10:49:00 -
[65]
Why are you all worrying about whether or not you should trust them not to pod you after you've paid up?
Simple solution - just avoid their system if you're not there to fight them.
It's funny to see all the lemmings rushing headlong to the same systems.
Pirates, nowadays, have to rely on ignorance to catch someone. If you're smart, you're a lot less likely to get caught.
Jump-in point camping is the exception to this rule - you only know about them after you or your friend has been podded there.
On a related note, when are they going to fix the map? It never shows the correct number of people in system.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
EvilEric
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Posted - 2003.11.01 11:25:00 -
[66]
Quote:
Edited by: Sally on 01/11/2003 10:05:36
Quote:
Well, my main had encountered SI, and found them to be fine, I paid, they let me through... simple.
However I am a little conserned about Ivy's case. Once the person said "that's fine" that should be that.... To keep their reputation in tact they should give back the 22mil (chunk change since a certain corp thief entered their midst).
If you want a rep as a griefer pirate.. fine.
If you want a rep as a "honourable" pirate you got to work at it and it's HARD!!
1. We are not in a democracy, so you have no voting power what SI should do or not.
2. We always try to keep our word. Sometimes mistakes happen (friendly fire e.g.). But we usualy do not reimburse. We don't expect others to reimburse us too.
3. We sometimes just pod and do not provide a reason why we pod.
4. We sometimes say someone is free to pass and blow him up anyway, to shut him up.
5. We are high quality pirates and I am sure, that we keep our word on a high level ratio, maybe even 100%. I don't know exactly, I can't control it, but I always kept my word.
6. As for Ivy, the negotations are over when the victim leaves our space. Anything strange while negotiating with us (link dead / log off) will result in SI trying to destroy the victim.
7. As for the NAP with VHI, I think it has been somehow voided when our mineral delivery deal has been terminated.
8. As for the idiots trying to enforce their moral standards on a pirate corp: Go figure it out!
9. I'm done with this thread.
Fair enough.
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.11.01 12:52:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Xander Teg on 01/11/2003 13:50:48
Quote:
1. We are not in a democracy, so you have no voting power what SI should do or not.
8. As for the idiots trying to enforce their moral standards on a pirate corp: Go figure it out!
Sally,
The purpose behind my starting this thread and my subsequent posts have not been to force anything on anyone.
I have extensive voting power on wether i pay the toll or not. If a pirate wants me to continue paying a ransom, he has to instill the perception in me that he will keep his word(SI has had great success in this department). If he doesn't okey-dokey. He just won't get payed. It is simply cause and effect.
Josh,
we go where the bistot is, and where there is bistot, ARGH THERE BE PIRATES. Payed NAPs take the fun out of the cat and mouse game, but if we are caught we would rather pay a ransom. Its just more conveinient, and more economical. I might add, that we have several inexperienced players in our corp, not only is it impossible to monitor every thing they do, it is silly. We take the philosophy let them play the game and learn by experience. If they get caught big deal, we will pay the ransom or replace the ship, or both even. Its part of the game.
_________________
"For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack."
-Rudyard Kipling
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2003.11.01 13:06:00 -
[68]
Edited by: GlimmerMan on 01/11/2003 13:08:02
Pirates of any type are lazy t**ts, and if you pay them you're a t**t too! If you weren't stupid enough to get caught these lamers would have to work for thier isk like the rest of us and piracy wouldn't exist.
Pirates are just too stupid/lazy to make any money on their own - they are weak on their own and they know this. So they gang up on people so they can feel power, power that makes them feel better about the 1 inch pe**s' they have.
I have never paid a loser (pirate) and I never will, because not being a retard there is no way in hell they can ever trap me. The only way they can trap you is lag exploiting a spawn point. If you fail to check the map before jumping maybe you deserve to be killed by these baby-d**k having losers.
People who pay pirates are as bad as pirates in my book, and just as spineless and lame.
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Davian Windspear
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Posted - 2003.11.01 13:37:00 -
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Space Invaders Definately do kill even after payment, i have 3 or 4 instances of it happening to other players and for no reason other then "they felt like it" so the rule is dont pay them, you are just getting them more ships and equipement till they reach the point they dont need your funding then will go on a total killing spree lol
The other day my freind was killed by camping SI even though he rebooted before going through the gate and has an adsl connection. The amount of drones caused this and they had no intention of even letting the character load up.
These weak tactics cant be fun, they definately are not for the receiver. I just wonder why pirates call others carebears for mining and shooting ai pirates when its pretty obvious that gate camping is much less skillfull/exciting/dangerous then any other activity in eve!!! (including docking!!) I just hope CCP do something about it soon, as while the option is there the lamers will use it, specially those at SI Who also run if there is anything that will shoot back...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.01 13:41:00 -
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"Pirates are just too stupid/lazy to make any money on their own - they are weak on their own and they know this. So they gang up on people so they can feel power, power that makes them feel better about the 1 inch pe**s' they have."
... The effect would perhaps be better if this sort of speech came from a freelancer, not a member of large corporation which is notorious for pointing out how big and important the are... :s
(and too stupid/lazy to make money? please, like afk-mining or rat hunting actually requires much brains or effort...)
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.11.01 13:43:00 -
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Quote:
If you weren't stupid enough to get caught these lamers would have to work for thier isk like the rest of us and piracy wouldn't exist.
yes, because included with the game is a book entitled How to avoid all pirates, indefinatly, and its illistrated too, so there is no reason for a noob to ever get caught.
what was i thinking.
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"For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack."
-Rudyard Kipling
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Masi
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Posted - 2003.11.01 14:00:00 -
[72]
Quote:
Edited by: GlimmerMan on 01/11/2003 13:08:02
Pirates of any type are lazy t**ts, and if you pay them you're a t**t too! If you weren't stupid enough to get caught these lamers would have to work for thier isk like the rest of us and piracy wouldn't exist.
Pirates are just too stupid/lazy to make any money on their own - they are weak on their own and they know this. So they gang up on people so they can feel power, power that makes them feel better about the 1 inch pe**s' they have.
I have never paid a loser (pirate) and I never will, because not being a retard there is no way in hell they can ever trap me. The only way they can trap you is lag exploiting a spawn point. If you fail to check the map before jumping maybe you deserve to be killed by these baby-d**k having losers.
People who pay pirates are as bad as pirates in my book, and just as spineless and lame.
Just cause u spend 23 hours a day mining for money everyone else has 2? Have fun wasting ur life away you daft t**t. While i come on for 2 hours and make your cash flow but the funny thing is. I had fun with a group of friends for a few hours. You spent a day sitting there watching an Asteriod being fired on. Why do we go round in numbers? Maybe because 2v1 = better success? Or maybe 8v1 ? Why risk lossing your own ship, when u can out number and get a victory?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.01 14:20:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/11/2003 14:24:36
[sally/molly/whatever spouted up some froth]
Quote:
4. We sometimes say someone is free to pass and blow him up anyway, to shut him up.
5. We are high quality pirates and I am sure, that we keep our word on a high level ratio, maybe even 100%. I don't know exactly, I can't control it, but I always kept my word.
Can we play spot the contradiction?
How anyone can trust anything these perfidious chancers might promise is beyond me ...
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Mastema
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Posted - 2003.11.01 15:01:00 -
[74]
"SI are chicken****s.. and uttery SCUM - they
try to bluff us that they got balls when they
all are accually hiding behind their Big mouth
and numbers.
They act with no respect to other players
and should recive no respect - when i hear
about SI i think of Bullies.. Big mouth
but when no one to back them up
Face me 1 on 1 and weŚll see who has the balls"
Dreez, I wonder, would you stick to that offer? or you just giving your jaw (fingers?) a workout with that statement?
Research with Duvolle Laboratories or you'll end up in the meat grinder!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.01 15:19:00 -
[75]
Though Dreez might or might not take up the Space Invader offers of "honourable" combat; some people do.
I recommend perusal of This Recent Thread that graphically decribes;
Cult of Cthulhu, NVA
vs
Space Invaders, Bioduddies
In formal one-on-one combat.
It's hilarious!
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.11.01 16:42:00 -
[76]
YAARRRRRRRRRR!
No more mr. good pirate!
I just be watching the pirate of teh carribeen!
Avast me harties! arRRRGh!
We be boarding all ships from now on! until we find Jade and sacrifice her to our aztec god, the great STFU!
Then the curse will be lifted and we'll go pillaging once again!
SHIVER ME TIMBERS!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.11.01 16:46:00 -
[77]
"I just be watching the pirate of teh carribeen!
Avast me harties! arRRRGh!
We be boarding all ships from now on! until we find Jade and sacrifice her to our aztec god, the great STFU!
Then the curse will be lifted and we'll go pillaging once again!"
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.01 16:56:00 -
[78]
Quote:
We be boarding all ships from now on! until we find Jade and sacrifice her to our aztec god, the great STFU!
Thats actually quite funny Viceroy ;)
I am playing a kind of space cadet pokemon varient myself at the moment;
gotta-shut-em-all-up
I've got Molly and Trap already and I'm kinda betting "the general" is not going to have a hellova lot to say for a while ...
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gaya'aijia
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Posted - 2003.11.01 16:59:00 -
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I dont know Jade, I'm afraid we will be hearing more of these new generation Invaders.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.11.01 17:45:00 -
[80]
What corporate thief joined Space Invaders?
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.11.01 17:48:00 -
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stfu, he is my best friend falzone. he's a very generous and lovable fellow.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.11.01 17:50:00 -
[82]
Tell me, 'stfu' is pre-printed on the form you fill out here ain't it? 
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2003.11.01 20:17:00 -
[83]
see i can behave
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Channelname: Local
Listener: Lilan Kahn
Session started: 2003.11.01 18:14:05
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[ 2003.11.01 18:14:31 ] Lilan Kahn > O_o
[ 2003.11.01 18:17:52 ] Lilan Kahn > mony or your life
[ 2003.11.01 18:17:54 ] NewChina > hello
[ 2003.11.01 18:18:12 ] Lilan Kahn > 2m and il let you move abut
[ 2003.11.01 18:18:36 ] NewChina > 1.5 sounds good :)
[ 2003.11.01 18:18:46 ] Lilan Kahn > aye it dose
[ 2003.11.01 18:18:48 ] NewChina > check wallet
[ 2003.11.01 18:18:49 ] Lilan Kahn > have a nice day
[ 2003.11.01 18:18:59 ] NewChina > you too
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Sally
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Posted - 2003.11.01 20:27:00 -
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Quote:
see i can behave
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Channelname: Local
Listener: Lilan Kahn
Session started: 2003.11.01 18:14:05
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[ 2003.11.01 18:14:31 ] Lilan Kahn > O_o
[ 2003.11.01 18:17:52 ] Lilan Kahn > mony or your life
[ 2003.11.01 18:17:54 ] NewChina > hello
[ 2003.11.01 18:18:12 ] Lilan Kahn > 2m and il let you move abut
[ 2003.11.01 18:18:36 ] NewChina > 1.5 sounds good :)
[ 2003.11.01 18:18:46 ] Lilan Kahn > aye it dose
[ 2003.11.01 18:18:48 ] NewChina > check wallet
[ 2003.11.01 18:18:49 ] Lilan Kahn > have a nice day
[ 2003.11.01 18:18:59 ] NewChina > you too
Hmm... NewChina is playing the game since the beginning. You could have squeezed her out :-).
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Muhad'dib
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Posted - 2003.11.01 22:37:00 -
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lol :D Is this guy for real?
 
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2003.11.02 02:22:00 -
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Sally i gusse i coud, but hey it was justa vexor nothing fancy, and i was just out too seee if coud chacht her after she jumped by for thr 10th time whil i was on gurad duty
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Darth Vodka
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Posted - 2003.11.02 03:19:00 -
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When we demand a toll, we require you to pay ALL of it. not just what you can afford and logoff.
Thats not considered "paying the toll"
You're a bit of a dipsh!t viceroy
If you had it you're way, you'd want a hacking skill to see how much people have in their wallets
Don't even bother opening up a conversation if you're not even going to believe the other pilots, trying to pass yourselves off as 'honourable pirates' - i've never laughed so hard.
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Archain
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Posted - 2003.11.02 03:27:00 -
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OMG, a wallet hacking skill!
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.11.02 05:41:00 -
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Quote:
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When we demand a toll, we require you to pay ALL of it. not just what you can afford and logoff.
Thats not considered "paying the toll"
You're a bit of a dipsh!t viceroy
If you had it you're way, you'd want a hacking skill to see how much people have in their wallets
Don't even bother opening up a conversation if you're not even going to believe the other pilots, trying to pass yourselves off as 'honourable pirates' - i've never laughed so hard.
Yeah right
Err yeah ok, who died and made you the "pirate king"?
you cant believe how many pilots we hold up say "dude i only have [insert 5 digit number] isk in my wallet, pls dont kill me", and then they pull out a few mil when their ship goes down to hull.
All statistics show it: if you pay the toll, you'll go free 100%. If you logoff during negociation you die. simple.
btw have a cookie for the dipsh!t comment, very intelligent, kthxbye.
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Archain
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Posted - 2003.11.02 07:44:00 -
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NO, Viceroy listen!
OMGWTFBBQ! A wallet hacking skill!
Heh heh =)
Space Invaders Movie Library - [SPVD]
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Doomgiver
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Posted - 2003.11.02 07:56:00 -
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Just thought i'd add my 10p worth of experience to this thread. Not flaming, just simple economics. Got held up by SI at Aunenen 'bout a week ago. Couldn't do much cause of the black-screen loading time thing, but that's not the point.
I'm in a Moa, but might as well have been in a baked bean can as I was locked down so tight. I don't have the log here, but the general convo went thus:
Pirate:> Good evening sir, passage for ship and pod today? 6m
Me:> 6 mill? (Being the first time i've been caught..)
Pirate:> Aye
I then proceeded to inform them that in fact, I only had 903k in wallet, as i'd just bought a s*itload of skills....
Pirate:> 6 mill or we pod you
Me:> Any way I can make you believe I only have 903k...
Pirate:> Hmm
Pirate:> Eject from your ship. The ship will pay the toll fine.
Me:> I eject, you get my ship...no. Either take the 903k, or destroy me. Your choice.
Pirate:> ok then...
Me:> (Violent multicoloured death)
Me:> Your loss, guys.. :)
As I said previously, this isn't a flame, or a complaint thread. The point is that they could have walked away with 903k, but they either got greedy or got bored...
Simple economics: I lost nothing, you lost anything you might have got (apart from all the quafe in the hold; enjoy guys! :P)
I'd rather be destroyed than pay my ship as a toll...
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.11.02 11:47:00 -
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lol omg, i missed that.
wallet hacking skill! that would be uber!
"we know you have 20mil mr.anderson, pay up"
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2003.11.02 11:53:00 -
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Click here for an account where one of our indies payed a ransom to Xpohoc and still got podkilled. Don't pay these guys, the will not honor any randsom.
I do not demand money!
I kill you as long as you are not part of my alliance.
Stop spreading lies about me and my corp.
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.11.02 13:14:00 -
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I do not demand money!
I kill you as long as you are not part of my alliance.
Then you will have nothing to worry about.
Happy hunting.
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