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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.10.31 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Xander Teg on 01/11/2003 13:32:14
The purpose of this post is to establish you cannot lump all pirates into one group. I am about doing what is most profitable for me. If a pirate offers me a ransom and that ransom is less then the loss of my ship i pay it, but if that pirate is just going to blow me up regardless of whether i pay him or not then i don't want to pay the toll.
I think communication between pirate victims is the best way to come up with a list of pirates worth paying and ones that you can just direct to he11, and the forums are a good place for this so i will begin with some of my and my corp mates experiences:
Space Invaders:
Not myself, or anyone i know have been destroyed after paying a ransom to them. Everytime i have payed, they have let me pass without any hassle. The key is to remember that to my knowledge they don't always go for the ransom, so don't expect to get the opportunity to pay a ransom everytime you see them. But when they do give you the opportunity, and you pay it, they will keep their word 10 times out of 10. This has been my and others experience.
Jokers:
They ran down a close friend of mine in deep fade region, and trapped him. He payed them 4M in ransom, but the the killing torpedo had already been launched. When my friends ship blew up, Jexter, apologized and gave my friend back the 4M. Like SI i will pay the Jokers everytime they give the opportunity, but as their website clearly states they do not always give it.
Tundragon:
Click here for an account where one of our indies payed a ransom to Xpohoc and still got podkilled. Don't pay these guys, the will not honor any randsom.
If anyone ever pays a ransom and gets podkilled anyway, please post it here, so others of us don't need to learn the hard way.
This forum is intended as a means to share experiences with eachother so we can learn the easy way who we can pay and not pay to minimize loss.
Edited: because of bad spelling and one of my points was being taken in an unintended context
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SuicideFred
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:07:00 -
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There's not such thing as a honorable pirate. People who kill and steal are not honorable.
Saying a pirate is honorable is like saying a turd smells good.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:09:00 -
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An 'honorable' pirates does not exploit (CCP's crap notwithstanding).
A dishonest pirate exploits when ever it's 'legal' and makes the game unplayable.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:09:00 -
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Stupid.
yes i am very stupid. Thanks for your contribution.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:11:00 -
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Ransom.
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:12:00 -
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"For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack."
-Rudyard Kipling
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Crysania
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:15:00 -
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Bad people can have honor. A code of conduct. A pirate can build a reputation as one who ransoms people's lives and ships. This action is still bad, but its predictable and offers a framework to work in.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:18:00 -
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My experiences of pirates leads me to believe that finding one who doesn't use an exploit would be like finding a white guy who can dance.
I've never engaged SI or Biomass or Jokers so I couldn't really say anything about them.
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Arms Merchant
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:19:00 -
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Until CCP steps up and starts banning the more extreme griefers in the game all you'll have is this mixing of pirates. These griefers proclaim themselves to be pirates but in reality camping a jumpin point and lagging people to death so they jump and wake up in a cloning vat is nothing but griefing.
If CCP would get rid of these really bad ones (like Tank CEO who last we heard was podding newbies in 1.0 space with a -10.0 rating) I think legitimate piracy would reappear (like Setec used to do).
If the really bad pirate "jerks" who arent pirates at all but PK griefers were banned from the game it would save the game because the rest of us including the honest pirates could be happy again. Instead CCP does nothing and alienates the entire carebear community.
Arms Merchant
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 31/10/2003 16:25:24
A good many people has a set of codes which they choose to live by, them being different from yours is what makes you label them bad.
People not abiding by any code of sorts is deemed a non-person in my book as they lack a core and can and will be swayed by events around them to betray those close to them.
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:22:00 -
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Until CCP steps up and starts banning the more extreme griefers in the game all you'll have is this mixing of pirates. These griefers proclaim themselves to be pirates but in reality camping a jumpin point and lagging people to death so they jump and wake up in a cloning vat is nothing but griefing.
If CCP would get rid of these really bad ones (like Tank CEO who last we heard was podding newbies in 1.0 space with a -10.0 rating) I think legitimate piracy would reappear (like Setec used to do).
If the really bad pirate "jerks" who arent pirates at all but PK griefers were banned from the game it would save the game because the rest of us including the honest pirates could be happy again. Instead CCP does nothing and alienates the entire carebear community.
Arms Merchant
Beta 4 Tester
Eve was never a game for carebears.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:26:00 -
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Every game is about balance and a set of clearly definable rules otherwise it's not a game.
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Arms Merchant
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:32:00 -
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LLiad I disagree. Look at all the market, reserach, stock market, production options in the game it was clearly meant to be much more then a PvP game.
If you think it was never meant for "carebears" your wrong. I think it wasn't meant for griefers who PK without warning.
This is way beyond the wars we see happening. I'm talking about a whole group of people being alienated and quitting the game because of it. You can laugh and joke but I've had four real life friends quit in the last two weeks because theyre tired of the forced PvP play. Id like to see some options (besides "stay in empire space") for them to play the game. I mean we all want people to stay and I'm sure CCP does too.
Dont you too?
Arms Merchant
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:34:00 -
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Arms Merchant,
Forced PvP?
Huh?
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SuicideFred
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:34:00 -
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Stupid.
yes i am very stupid.
Well I guess that explains why you think people that steal and kill are honorable.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:36:00 -
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Without evil there can be no good.
If we live without both then the Universe would become such a boring place.
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It's all about the fortune and glory, fortune and glory!
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:37:00 -
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Ppl can do market ect if they want. That dont make you a carebare.
Complaning when you get killed makes you a carebare.
Have you watched ccps eve video?
Your friends should have paid more attention to the game thet bought.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:38:00 -
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My experiences of pirates leads me to believe that finding one who doesn't use an exploit would be like finding a white guy who can dance.
Shuddup Josh! I'm a great mover and I'm a big, thickset, neanderthal type bloke!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:40:00 -
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Quote:
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My experiences of pirates leads me to believe that finding one who doesn't use an exploit would be like finding a white guy who can dance.
Shuddup Josh! I'm a great mover and I'm a big, thickset, neanderthal type bloke!
Har har har!
I dance like an epileptic guy on speed!
*No offense to epileptic druggies.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:42:00 -
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LLiad I disagree. Look at all the market, reserach, stock market, production options in the game it was clearly meant to be much more then a PvP game.
If you think it was never meant for "carebears" your wrong. I think it wasn't meant for griefers who PK without warning.
This is way beyond the wars we see happening. I'm talking about a whole group of people being alienated and quitting the game because of it. You can laugh and joke but I've had four real life friends quit in the last two weeks because theyre tired of the forced PvP play. Id like to see some options (besides "stay in empire space") for them to play the game. I mean we all want people to stay and I'm sure CCP does too.
Dont you too?
Arms Merchant
Beta 4 Tester
and all this from a guy who's corp is 'Weapons R us' and a name 'Arms merchant' way to go double standard on us.
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Xander Teg on 31/10/2003 16:47:32
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I dance like an epileptic guy on speed!
*No offense to epileptic druggies.
I'm sorry Josh but it is going to take more than that weak disclaimer to keep me from being offended. On behalf of epileptic druggies everywhere shame on you, you epileptic-junkie-hater.
incidentally, has anyone ever payed a ransom and still gotten "blowed-up". I sure would like to know about it.
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Hackett
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Hackett on 31/10/2003 16:52:55
Edited by: Hackett on 31/10/2003 16:51:41
Well - the biggest ruck I have been in with Pirates was the other week in FD vs MOO/RUS/TLBC.
There were no exploits, no smack talk and no cheating - just 2 fleets (theirs bigger  ) wanting to bash each other up. Which we did resulting in me losing a ship, but not my life.
So I have no complaints at all about pirates at the moment - the ones I have encontered have been decent enuff.
Edtited twice cos I'm looking at the clock at work
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.10.31 17:05:00 -
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If the really bad pirate "jerks" who arent pirates at all but PK griefers were banned from the game it would save the game because the rest of us including the honest pirates could be happy again. Instead CCP does nothing and alienates the entire carebear community.
So its ok to blow up someones ship after you ask for ransom money but its not ok to just blow up someones ship? HAHAHAHAHA WTF? Your a hypocrite. And btw pirates arent the only ones who use the lag jumpin points
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.10.31 17:08:00 -
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So its ok to blow up someones ship after you ask for ransom money but its not ok to just blow up someones ship?
Its all ok as far as i'm concerned. I just want to know about it so i can adapt my playstyle accordingly.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.10.31 17:14:00 -
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Those who have a problem with the notion of a pirate being honourable, just edit the title in your own mind to "pirates who do/don't keep their word after ransom payment."
Those who can't tell the difference between a game that *allows* PvP and a game that *requires* it; those who can't tell the difference between complaining because you got killed, and complaining because you got killed by an exploit; clear off. You don't belong in any game until you learn to read properly.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.10.31 18:27:00 -
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If you 'appear' as a clone after have jumped a gate (never happend to me since I check the map) and you coulden't obviously do anything whatsoever about it, then it's not a game, it's just pure bull****.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Wynter Ivy
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Posted - 2003.10.31 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Wynter Ivy on 31/10/2003 19:02:55
Can't agree with the initial post regarding Space Invaders. I had just blown a wad on some implants for myself (this was about a month ago or more when you could still get some of those initial drop perception-altering implants for a decent price). And I got caught in a blockade by SI when I was stupidly auto-piloting around without paying attention. Had 22mil left after the implant purchaces and gave it up without any hassle. Then they scanned my Apoc and saw the equipment I had just gotten from a lucky hunting spree in Stain and demanded more. If that isn't retarded I don't know what is. Why should my equipment have anything to do with how much money I have? Sadly my corp mates had just dropped offline by a node crash that affected me a minute later but not the SI guys. My ship was destroyed and I was podded pi$$ing away the implants.
To add insult to injury, my corp had a NAP with Setec after a big mineral deal we had done with them. When my CEO very diplomatically contacted them about this, he was told to go f*ck himself.
I don't mind the piracy or the getting caught by them: it was my own stupid fault for not paying attention and checking the map. But their demanding more money after I paid up and then podding me despite my appearing to log off ON TOP of the NAP is what really got my goat. So I rate SI as quite dishonorable.
If I ever get caught by them again I would destroy my ship before giving them anything.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.31 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 31/10/2003 19:23:59
Any comment on that dismantling of credibility drunkenmaster?
Pirating your NAPs and blowing him/her/it up despite having payed a reasonable ransom... 
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.31 19:58:00 -
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Wynter Ivy, I think I love you.
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Mastema
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Posted - 2003.10.31 20:09:00 -
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Wynter Ivy's corp when we wanted a hq in a system where no-one goes anyways - "Yea, well we would give you the office space but I really cant be bothered to move that far, how about you pay me 10m (or summint silly) and we'll talk"
Then we stole the stuff from the apoc (55m in total we made from your ship btw) "Plz plz plz give us the items back! we'll GIVE you the office you wanted!" - Ofcourse alot of time had passed since we asked, and the office was no longer required by SI :)
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