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Lunamariea Hawke
Gallente Combined industrial
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Posted - 2006.10.16 20:54:00 -
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D2 and Iron and Co. have set ISS to -10 and are in the process of camping attacking Marginis/Borealis. From various channels i gather that an incident down south has been used by D2 as an excuse for this, history shows from NFC, sparta and others that this is the normal D2 way of using/triggering a small matter to aid removing things that do not suit them.
I and many others devote a lot of time to enjoying this game and we appreciate these outposts. Do not let D2 etc take and close off these. Despite what people say ISS have brought a new angle to the game that has opened up 00 space for everyone. If it falls then it will be closed off to everyone else and that would be a shame for the game as it is there are too many parts of the game that are closed off to most.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.16 20:56:00 -
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ISS **** over anyone who doesn't suit them. I hope d2 takes borealis tbh. As for marg i hope they leave it so others my enjoy the oppurtunities it can bring
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:00:00 -
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As far as I know, we have no intention of taking ISS outposts, several incidents during our operations in the south led command to set ISS to -10 shoot on sight.
However some of our pilots have a personal disliking of ISS and will no doubt be blowing holes in ISS members around their outposts, and since it is 0.0 d2 (like many other alliances) operate an nbsi policy, don't take it personally the alliance as a whole isn't at war with ISS
someone more senior may word my sentiments better
sorry if you lost a ship, the way of unsecure space i guess
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:04:00 -
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I think D2 are doing a tour of Eve at the moment visiting a different region everyday
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:05:00 -
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Until you see cyno fields, D2 is just on a road trip. -
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Assassin 2
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:20:00 -
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looks like D2 are getting a little greedy.
Let the fun and games begin
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geewiz
InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Assassin 2 looks like D2 are getting a little greedy.
Let the fun and games begin
What hugging EC/Torr gate and blowing up targets that are weak, ofc your alliance would never do that now would they?
Gee
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xbreaka
Cirrius Technologies O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:31:00 -
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with the show your putting on in fade atm, i dont think you really have room to be complaining
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Celine de'Fursac
Amarr Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:33:00 -
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well maybe u should stop collaborating with the hobbits :D and stay neutral as you are suppose to be.
So stop whining and assume responsabiltiy
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d4ve
InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:38:00 -
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what celine said.. and lol at trying to bring up the NFC/Sparta fiasco btw. ___
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Phrixus Zephyr
Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 16/10/2006 21:38:56 Thats funny, because D2 have been docking in ISS Cassini all day.
Originally by: geewiz
Originally by: Assassin 2 looks like D2 are getting a little greedy.
Let the fun and games begin
What hugging EC/Torr gate and blowing up targets that are weak, ofc your alliance would never do that now would they?
Gee
Pot, kettle....
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Taralesk Inshani
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ashen Brarn Oh, yeah, what are you gonna do? Release the dogs? Or the bees? Or the dogs with bees in their mouth and when they bark, they shoot bees at you?
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SaorAlba
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:58:00 -
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Keep in mind these two things and then read the original lokal chat log below of the so called "forced incident. 1. ISS officially say they claim no space. 2. We had ISS deep blue at the time of the incident. ---------------------------------------------------------------
Channel ID: (('solarsystemid2', 30002586),) Channel Name: Local Listener: SaorAlba Session started: 2006.10.15 07:37:26 ---------------------------------------------------------------
[ 2006.10.15 07:44:38 ] EVE System > Channel changed to 4OIV-X Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:45:49 ] EVE System > Channel changed to TM-0P2 Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:46:55 ] EVE System > Channel changed to N-CREL Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:48:44 ] EVE System > Channel changed to 3-UCBF Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:49:50 ] EVE System > Channel changed to 1-7KWU Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:51:01 ] EVE System > Channel changed to H-HWQR Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:52:14 ] EVE System > Channel changed to D-9UEV Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:53:18 ] EVE System > Channel changed to RH0-EG Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:54:31 ] EVE System > Channel changed to 4-P4FE Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:54:55 ] Kithaca > you are entering restricted territory. [ 2006.10.15 07:55:04 ] SaorAlba > **** of fool [ 2006.10.15 07:55:39 ] SaorAlba > there is no iss teritory and don't make me mad [ 2006.10.15 07:56:11 ] Kithaca > you have been warned, and are marked KoS. [ 2006.10.15 07:56:18 ] SaorAlba > hahah [ 2006.10.15 07:56:23 ] Kithaca > this is not ISS territoriy, this is LV territory. [ 2006.10.15 07:56:38 ] SaorAlba > you are iss [ 2006.10.15 07:56:53 ] SaorAlba > are you a lapdancer of lv? [ 2006.10.15 07:57:16 ] SaorAlba > keep out of allaince policy or it drag you in to it [ 2006.10.15 07:57:29 ] Kithaca > i don't make the policy. [ 2006.10.15 07:57:32 ] Kithaca > i enforce it. [ 2006.10.15 07:57:37 ] SaorAlba > why don't you come to the gate and pod me? [ 2006.10.15 07:57:37 ] Kithaca > last chance. get out. [ 2006.10.15 07:58:05 ] SaorAlba > 3l3n gate m6 [ 2006.10.15 07:58:21 ] SaorAlba > come over and do me a favour [ 2006.10.15 07:58:27 ] SaorAlba > morron [ 2006.10.15 07:59:40 ] SaorAlba > come on [ 2006.10.15 07:59:50 ] SaorAlba > check scanner see pod [ 2006.10.15 07:59:55 ] Kithaca > i'm boarding my ship, dont' get your panties in a knot. [ 2006.10.15 07:59:56 ] SaorAlba > kill pod [ 2006.10.15 08:00:06 ] SaorAlba > and do us all a favour [ 2006.10.15 08:00:53 ] SaorAlba > what's keepin you? [ 2006.10.15 08:01:05 ] SaorAlba > I ma still in restricted space [ 2006.10.15 08:01:10 ] SaorAlba > I refuse to go [ 2006.10.15 08:01:18 ] SaorAlba > now kill me [ 2006.10.15 08:01:37 ] SaorAlba > 3lcn [ 2006.10.15 08:02:24 ] SaorAlba > Anotherfool with a wide mouth and no balls [ 2006.10.15 08:02:56 ] Elisa Day > Is it your wish to die horribly? [ 2006.10.15 08:03:17 ] SaorAlba > do it m8 [ 2006.10.15 08:03:28 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Agil Local Channel ---------------------------------------------------------------
Judge for your self my audience. Does D2 not have every right to set ISS at -10?
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: SaorAlba
Judge for your self my audience. Does D2 not have every right to set ISS at -10?
He was rather abrupt in the manner he meant about that, and I don't blame you for being angry.
ISS rent the northern half of Tenerifis from LV. They are obliged to keep people out of the space as part of their deal with LV.
I agree this should have been dealt with through a discreet convo rather than those obtuse threats in local. I'm sure ISS management will be horrified to read it. Unfortunately every alliance has the odd tard who ruins it for everyone else, and this is one such person.
I know that ISS value their relationship with D2 very much, and indeed have worked with your full co-operation regarding both the Pure Blind outposts they have. Would be a shame to throw all that away because of one idiot.
Hopefully they will kick him from the alliance for being a tard, and I'm sure an apology from their management will be forthcoming in your direction.
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biggums
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: biggums on 16/10/2006 22:18:45
lol
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xbreaka
Cirrius Technologies O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: SaorAlba
Judge for your self my audience. Does D2 not have every right to set ISS at -10?
He was rather abrupt in the manner he meant about that, and I don't blame you for being angry.
ISS rent the northern half of Tenerifis from LV. They are obliged to keep people out of the space as part of their deal with LV.
I agree this should have been dealt with through a discreet convo rather than those obtuse threats in local. I'm sure ISS management will be horrified to read it. Unfortunately every alliance has the odd tard who ruins it for everyone else, and this is one such person.
I know that ISS value their relationship with D2 very much, and indeed have worked with your full co-operation regarding both the Pure Blind outposts they have. Would be a shame to throw all that away because of one idiot.
Hopefully they will kick him from the alliance for being a tard, and I'm sure an apology from their management will be forthcoming in your direction.
you sir are misinformed, iss does not fully co-operate with d2 regarding their space in pure blind, they allow RISK who are d2 enemies to setup POS's and harass the resident traveling through there. ISS is a thorn in the north's side and should have been removed a long time ago.
(My views are mine alone, and do not reflect my corp or alliance.)
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 16/10/2006 22:25:32
Originally by: biggums
you sir are misinformed, iss does not fully co-operate with d2 regarding their space in pure blind, they allow RISK who are d2 enemies to setup POS's and harass the resident traveling through there. ISS is a thorn in the north's side and should have been removed a long time ago.
(My views are mine alone, and do not reflect my corp or alliance.)
Well, its true to say ISS can't police the region for you, they are simply not that kind of alliance. I know they have fought RISK in the north, and TRI, and many others who are hostile to D2.
Indeed ISS often camped the Torr/EC gate with D2/IRON before the standings change.
The co-operation I talked about was more than just shooting people D2 doesnt like (ISS is under no obligation to do that after all), it goes back to co-operation regarding the outpost systems. Indeed, ISS Borealis was actually constructed at the request of G/IRON and the locals at the time.
They also removed docking rights for The Five at G/IRONS request following The Five using the outpost as a stage for attacks against G/IRON. So there is a definate history of friendly co-operation.
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Lunamariea Hawke
Gallente Combined industrial
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:23:00 -
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My point exactly, 1 or 2 idiots who were kicked before the standings change anyway, not that that bothers some people. look what happened when that nfc guy helped the goons. D2 didnt care that it was 1 idiot out of line they used it as an excuse to get rid of NFC and bring back Iron. I do seem to remember that when Iron (old Iron) used to rent out Dek to others they had similar rules.......
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Scrofalitic One
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Unfortunately every alliance has the odd tard who ruins it for everyone else, and this is one such person.
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Hopefully they will kick him from the alliance for being a tard, and I'm sure an apology from their management will be forthcoming in your direction.
Unfortunatly this was not the only incident that occured. There were other actions taken by ISS members that constituted valid reasons for the change to neg standing.
Of course as I am a mere grunt I would not dream of speaking for the alliance, or on behalf of anyone but myself, but maybe a bit of shooty-shooty will make ISS reconsider acting as ASCN scouts in the future...
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Third Down
Hard Rock Cafe
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog ISS rent the northern half of Tenerifis from LV. They are obliged to keep people out of the space as part of their deal with LV.
If that is actually the whole deal, it's a really bad one for ISS.
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Karina Harington
Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Indeed ISS often camped the Torr/EC gate with D2/IRON before the standings change.
Staring at the gate from 400km in a shuttle doesn't count.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Karina Harington
Originally by: Butter Dog Indeed ISS often camped the Torr/EC gate with D2/IRON before the standings change.
Staring at the gate from 400km in a shuttle doesn't count.
lol, true... but when ISSN are up North they usually camp it pretty solidly :)
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marcouk2
Gallente Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
I know they have fought RISK in the north
ISS have a nap with risk
Originally by: Butter Dog
Indeed ISS often camped the Torr/EC gate with D2/IRON before the standings change.
The most common time we saw ISS in ec was in haulers when we were camping the gate.
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Darko1107
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:33:00 -
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Who really cares why anyway.
Even so, the idea of ever creating a neutral alliance was a bold but stupid one. ------------------
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: marcouk2
Originally by: Butter Dog
I know they have fought RISK in the north
ISS have a nap with risk
Yeah, they used to fight them I should have said. But read the ISS Charter, they are bound by neutrality and if they start shooting people because you don't like them... well it kind of goes against everything they should be about I guess.
Its really tough trying to be neutral. You get a lot of suspicion. Most of its not really justified of course, but I can understand the paranoia, its human nature to be mis-trusting.
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Lunamariea Hawke
Gallente Combined industrial
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:34:00 -
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"The most common time we saw ISS in ec was in haulers when we were camping the gate."
Probably because ISS are mostly industrial corps.
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marcouk2
Gallente Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: marcouk2
Originally by: Butter Dog
I know they have fought RISK in the north
ISS have a nap with risk
Yeah, they used to fight them I should have said. But read the ISS Charter, they are bound by neutrality and if they start shooting people because you don't like them... well it kind of goes against everything they should be about I guess.
Its really tough trying to be neutral. You get a lot of suspicion. Most of its not really justified of course, but I can understand the paranoia, its human nature to be mis-trusting.
oh im sorry, i must be missing all of the iss kills on the risk killboard.
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Azeroth Uluntil
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Azeroth Uluntil on 16/10/2006 22:44:18 Currently, I don't believe any station taking has been planned, however, that may change at any time.
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Darko1107 Who really cares why anyway.
Even so, the idea of ever creating a neutral alliance was a bold but stupid one.
I can see what you mean, but you know, ISS have lasted a long time, and are successful in their goals of opening up 0.0 - 7 outposts and counting. Also they have over 2000 members, so I think we can say the idea has worked better than anyone thought it would.
I'm biased because I like ISS and what they stand for. Its unique.
To all good things there comes an end. They may want to open up 0.0 to others, but they need to control their members a little more perhaps. Then again, it could be said that all alliances have this problem. :-)
Either way, doesn't change the fact that ISS members were working with entities hostile to IRON/D2/FLA/Anyone else? and as such are now hostile. Hopefully we can see the ISSN in space to defend their interests.
Also, can't say I don't love the idea of even more targets!
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xbreaka
Cirrius Technologies O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:48:00 -
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illegally mining, ratting, and setting up other devices in someone elses space isnt the greatest way to get cuddly with us northern residents either.
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Kalissa
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.10.16 22:49:00 -
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It's quite difficult for any alliance to stay friendly to everyone, at least in the long term. ISS really have done quite a good job being able to sit on the fence this long really. However I would expect that if D2 and friends go after ISS with all guns blazing that we'll see ISS being wiped off the northern map. We've fought ISS in the past many times and the only part of the alliance that can fight at all is the ISSN and even they are prone to making mistakes.
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