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Aceris The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.16 22:59:00 - [31] Originally by: marcouk2 Originally by: Butter Dog I know they have fought RISK in the north ISS have a nap with risk Originally by: Butter Dog Indeed ISS often camped the Torr/EC gate with D2/IRON before the standings change. The most common time we saw ISS in ec was in haulers when we were camping the gate. Yeah well there's some truth in that. The fundamental problem with EC is that it's main value is in control of the gate, and ISS, with their limited rules of engagement, can't really control the gate, even if they had the ships and pilots to do so. As a result there hasn't been much ISS PvP presence in EC except when the navy pays a visit. (Not that ISS is noted for it's PvP power anyway). If you want to know what living in EC under a NRDS RoE is like, I'm sure your ex-TRUST friends can tell you all about it. This whole thing about ISS not fighting your enemies in Pure Blind is a bit of a red herring though, since as I understand it that was never the basis on which D2 encouraged them to be there. The real issue as I understand it is the various things that went on down south, which I know very little about. What I will say is it's very frustrating for those of us up north to be thrown into a war with people we had marked as friendlies, who heavily outgun and outnumber us, because of some things that went on on the other side of the cluster, but that's Eve I guess :)
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:00:00 - [32] I cant say i really say i like the idea of neutral industrial groups in 0.0, for me they are pretty much like gank corps.. 0.0 is about team work.. industrial working with PVP and vice versa.. >: )
Asha Vividrin Vividrin Enterprises	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:10:00 - [33] Well over 2000 member yes or no, maybe it's time to get some quality members in who are staying in line. Now you pay. Renting space from LV is not really considered as being neutral as well. Further, considering Mr. Cyvok black and white world, how do you think they can survive that long in the south side? Neutrality is a game of behind scene diplomacy, now YOU PAY!!! ~ Sigs are lame ~
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:15:00 - [34] Such fluffy niceness, all in one thread. Did someone sneakily patch something when I wasn't looking to make all the servers stable and happy to support large concurrent fleet actions?
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:24:00 - [35] Originally by: Butter Dog ... I'm biased because I like ISS and what they stand for. Its unique. Who are you kidding, bitter dog. Why would you be in an ISS thread when there's a perfectly good BoB thread going? Maybe because , em, you are an ISS alt? Kind of bad deal for your mains allince ticking off D2. It's nice to be all neutral when you can flame people from behind an alt. Too bad for ISS. Too bad one idiot can ruin it for the rest. The truth will set you free
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:25:00 - [36] Edited by: James Lyrus on 16/10/2006 23:25:58 Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Butter Dog ... I'm biased because I like ISS and what they stand for. Its unique. Who are you kidding, bitter dog. Why would you be in an ISS thread when there's a perfectly good BoB thread going? Maybe because , em, you are an ISS alt? Kind of bad deal for your mains allince ticking off D2. It's nice to be all neutral when you can flame people from behind an alt. Too bad for ISS. Too bad one idiot can ruin it for the rest. If this is an ISS thread, and ISS are all BoB alts, does it make it also a BoB thread, and thus redundant? I'm biased too, I rather like ISS as well.
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:28:00 - [37] If its true they rented space from LV, then this is just another proof they are not neutral: By renting from LV, they pay LV. which funds them against their enemies (RA etc), hence they are valid target in the south. Now lets move to the north: By making EC free to all hostiles of D2 etc to dock, they in essence, turned it into NPC station over which D2 (or whoever controls that area generally) has no control, and why should they put up with that, when they can simply siege the system and take it? and solve that problem. The idea of ISS is good, but they excution is a total failure. Too bad nobody has yet taken the ball of capturing their outposts.. with proper planning, MC wont help them! ------------------ yay, the Deimos has been saved!
Lilan Kahn Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.16 23:29:00 - [38] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Butter Dog ... I'm biased because I like ISS and what they stand for. Its unique. Who are you kidding, bitter dog. Why would you be in an ISS thread when there's a perfectly good BoB thread going? Maybe because , em, you are an ISS alt? Kind of bad deal for your mains allince ticking off D2. It's nice to be all neutral when you can flame people from behind an alt. Too bad for ISS. Too bad one idiot can ruin it for the rest. Butter nub isnt in iss mains or alt, i know all his alts and they aint in iss Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Mark Weston Caldari The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:14:00 - [39] Edited by: Mark Weston on 17/10/2006 00:15:31 Edited by: Mark Weston on 17/10/2006 00:14:58 Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Butter Dog ... I'm biased because I like ISS and what they stand for. Its unique. Who are you kidding, bitter dog. Why would you be in an ISS thread when there's a perfectly good BoB thread going? Maybe because , em, you are an ISS alt? Kind of bad deal for your mains allince ticking off D2. It's nice to be all neutral when you can flame people from behind an alt. Too bad for ISS. Too bad one idiot can ruin it for the rest. So, er, D2 set ISS to -10 because Butter Dog was rude to BoB? Thought for the day: if you're going to call someone an alt, you might check their employment history first. New to EVE? Join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Kayai Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:17:00 - [40] ISS crying for help makes me smile

Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:23:00 - [41] From my direct observation, I have watched ISS pilots blatantly scouting D2 forces for hostile groups. They've even gone so far to boast about it in local to the effect of "nyah nyah, we're blue you can't touch me!" As charming as I'm sure this may be, it doesn't take terribly many of these sorts of incidents to flip the little switch that says "allow members to pod ISS nuisance".
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:27:00 - [42] Oh boo hoo ISS let MC dock there. They're a neutral party, they let everybody dock. IAC can dock there to attack whoever, MC can dock there to attack IAC, anybody can dock there to attack anybody, it's like a neutral NPC station run by players. All these big barking dogs "woof woof stay out of our space" have done is make asses out of themselves and reduce the quality of Eve. ISS is a breath of fresh air, they have done more to bring empire dwellers out to 0.0 than any other entity in the game. PS - This is my main and only character. I have plans to join a corp after the 28th.
Kespii Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:47:00 - [43] Originally by: SaorAlba Keep in mind these two things and then read the original lokal chat log below of the so called "forced incident. 1. ISS officially say they claim no space. 2. We had ISS deep blue at the time of the incident. --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('solarsystemid2', 30002586),) Channel Name: Local Listener: SaorAlba Session started: 2006.10.15 07:37:26 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2006.10.15 07:44:38 ] EVE System > Channel changed to 4OIV-X Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:45:49 ] EVE System > Channel changed to TM-0P2 Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:46:55 ] EVE System > Channel changed to N-CREL Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:48:44 ] EVE System > Channel changed to 3-UCBF Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:49:50 ] EVE System > Channel changed to 1-7KWU Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:51:01 ] EVE System > Channel changed to H-HWQR Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:52:14 ] EVE System > Channel changed to D-9UEV Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:53:18 ] EVE System > Channel changed to RH0-EG Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:54:31 ] EVE System > Channel changed to 4-P4FE Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:54:55 ] Kithaca > you are entering restricted territory. [ 2006.10.15 07:55:04 ] SaorAlba > **** of fool [ 2006.10.15 07:55:39 ] SaorAlba > there is no iss teritory and don't make me mad [ 2006.10.15 07:56:11 ] Kithaca > you have been warned, and are marked KoS. [ 2006.10.15 07:56:18 ] SaorAlba > hahah [ 2006.10.15 07:56:23 ] Kithaca > this is not ISS territoriy, this is LV territory. [ 2006.10.15 07:56:38 ] SaorAlba > you are iss [ 2006.10.15 07:56:53 ] SaorAlba > are you a lapdancer of lv? [ 2006.10.15 07:57:16 ] SaorAlba > keep out of allaince policy or it drag you in to it [ 2006.10.15 07:57:29 ] Kithaca > i don't make the policy. [ 2006.10.15 07:57:32 ] Kithaca > i enforce it. [ 2006.10.15 07:57:37 ] SaorAlba > why don't you come to the gate and pod me? [ 2006.10.15 07:57:37 ] Kithaca > last chance. get out. [ 2006.10.15 07:58:05 ] SaorAlba > 3l3n gate m6 [ 2006.10.15 07:58:21 ] SaorAlba > come over and do me a favour [ 2006.10.15 07:58:27 ] SaorAlba > morron [ 2006.10.15 07:59:40 ] SaorAlba > come on [ 2006.10.15 07:59:50 ] SaorAlba > check scanner see pod [ 2006.10.15 07:59:55 ] Kithaca > i'm boarding my ship, dont' get your panties in a knot. [ 2006.10.15 07:59:56 ] SaorAlba > kill pod [ 2006.10.15 08:00:06 ] SaorAlba > and do us all a favour [ 2006.10.15 08:00:53 ] SaorAlba > what's keepin you? [ 2006.10.15 08:01:05 ] SaorAlba > I ma still in restricted space [ 2006.10.15 08:01:10 ] SaorAlba > I refuse to go [ 2006.10.15 08:01:18 ] SaorAlba > now kill me [ 2006.10.15 08:01:37 ] SaorAlba > 3lcn [ 2006.10.15 08:02:24 ] SaorAlba > Anotherfool with a wide mouth and no balls [ 2006.10.15 08:02:56 ] Elisa Day > Is it your wish to die horribly? [ 2006.10.15 08:03:17 ] SaorAlba > do it m8 [ 2006.10.15 08:03:28 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Agil Local Channel --------------------------------------------------------------- Judge for your self my audience. Does D2 not have every right to set ISS at -10? from the looks of the local, you are the one at fault. I laugh at you blaming ISS for doing anything wrong
n sx The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.17 00:57:00 - [44] In a similar incident, ISS pilots in LV space have threatened to shoot down IAC pilots, whom would also appear blue to them. ISS remains NAP'd with IAC regardless, though we're monitoring these threats closely.
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.10.17 01:01:00 - [45] Originally by: Torquemanda Corteaz As far as I know, we have no intention of taking ISS outposts, several incidents during our operations in the south led command to set ISS to -10 shoot on sight. Oh, that brings a smile to my face.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.17 01:16:00 - [46] ISS isn't nuetral they are quite far from nuetral. The day that sham of an organization is wipe from the galaxy i shall raise a toast to the chaos that will ensue around their outposts. In rust we trust!!!
Skeltek Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.17 01:19:00 - [47] hmm, ISS renting space from LV, promising to keep it clear from enemies in return? They should promise to kill all D2 enemies in EC, Pure Blind and surrounding space too then if they use our territory? ISS opens up 0.0 space for everyone, securing it with a stockpile of unselfish haulers. Imho they just occupy most central positions for sales and production at chokepoints between empire and 0.0. After the outpost was given to ISS, they failed to secure the space for neutrals and upkeep the good 0.0 access for empireresidents. ISS keeps neutrality. They¦ve even been pacifists ever from the start, they even prevent fights by giving D2 fleet intel to people in next system¦s localchat. ISS repeatedly provoking and colaborating with the enemy, giving intel, employing scouts and demanding accessrights to all of eve by stressing their neutrality. We had no plan to take ISS outposts or POSes and see no major reason to announce any epic news about ISS not marked with a "not dangerous to our pilots" any more. ISS simply is no longer been considered harmless to our members I guess. It¦s not even fun PvPing against averagely skilled enemies, not speaking about a non-PvP-alliance like ISS; so that can¦t be the reason either why we declared them non-blue. --->The only "advantage" D2 will get by the standingchange is the denial of stationaccess and worsening of our tech2 resupply.<--- kind regards, Skeltek ps: the above are my personal opinions and views(though ironical at some spots), I understand it might probably greatly differ from what my corp, alliance or alliance partners¦s views are.
Mynas Atoch Caldari ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:07:00 - [48] Originally by: Mistress Suffering From my direct observation, I have watched ISS pilots blatantly scouting D2 forces for hostile groups. They've even gone so far to boast about it in local to the effect of "nyah nyah, we're blue you can't touch me!" Independently of the ongoing incidents and political situation, I would appreciate the logs of such incidents you can supply. If I can verify them and they are from ISSN they won't be in it tomorrow. If they are from other ISS corps I expect a similar response. Mynas Atoch, XO, ISSN
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:19:00 - [49] Edited by: Louis DelaBlanche on 17/10/2006 02:22:55 Originally by: SaorAlba [ 2006.10.15 07:54:31 ] EVE System > Channel changed to 4-P4FE Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:54:55 ] Kithaca > you are entering restricted territory. [ 2006.10.15 07:55:04 ] SaorAlba > **** of fool [ 2006.10.15 07:55:39 ] SaorAlba > there is no iss teritory and don't make me mad [ 2006.10.15 07:56:11 ] Kithaca > you have been warned, and are marked KoS. [ 2006.10.15 07:56:18 ] SaorAlba > hahah [ 2006.10.15 07:56:23 ] Kithaca > this is not ISS territoriy, this is LV territory. [ 2006.10.15 07:56:38 ] SaorAlba > you are iss [ 2006.10.15 07:56:53 ] SaorAlba > are you a lapdancer of lv? [ 2006.10.15 07:57:16 ] SaorAlba > keep out of allaince policy or it drag you in to it [ 2006.10.15 07:57:29 ] Kithaca > i don't make the policy. [ 2006.10.15 07:57:32 ] Kithaca > i enforce it. [ 2006.10.15 07:57:37 ] SaorAlba > why don't you come to the gate and pod me? [ 2006.10.15 07:57:37 ] Kithaca > last chance. get out. [ 2006.10.15 07:58:05 ] SaorAlba > 3l3n gate m6 [ 2006.10.15 07:58:21 ] SaorAlba > come over and do me a favour [ 2006.10.15 07:58:27 ] SaorAlba > morron [ 2006.10.15 07:59:40 ] SaorAlba > come on [ 2006.10.15 07:59:50 ] SaorAlba > check scanner see pod [ 2006.10.15 07:59:55 ] Kithaca > i'm boarding my ship, dont' get your panties in a knot. [ 2006.10.15 07:59:56 ] SaorAlba > kill pod [ 2006.10.15 08:00:06 ] SaorAlba > and do us all a favour [ 2006.10.15 08:00:53 ] SaorAlba > what's keepin you? [ 2006.10.15 08:01:05 ] SaorAlba > I ma still in restricted space [ 2006.10.15 08:01:10 ] SaorAlba > I refuse to go [ 2006.10.15 08:01:18 ] SaorAlba > now kill me [ 2006.10.15 08:01:37 ] SaorAlba > 3lcn [ 2006.10.15 08:02:24 ] SaorAlba > Anotherfool with a wide mouth and no balls [ 2006.10.15 08:02:56 ] Elisa Day > Is it your wish to die horribly? [ 2006.10.15 08:03:17 ] SaorAlba > do it m8 [ 2006.10.15 08:03:28 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Agil Local Channel --------------------------------------------------------------- Judge for your self my audience. Does D2 not have every right to set ISS at -10? To me rather then a unprovoked attack by ISS upon an unsuspecting D2 traveller, this reads like after being asked you leave u smacked in local till they finally took the time to forcibly remove you. Maybe you were right to question the condratictory nature of their asking you to leave. But I fail to see how it alone justifies D2 setting ISS to -10, which is what you seem to be quoting it for. D2 setting ISS to -10 is interesting. Id be surprised if they currently plan to take the outposts as the EC outpost in paticular would be hell to police given its proximity to empire n pirates. Would draw them away from what sounds like a very enjoyable adventure down South. It is an accusation made by many (in private mostly) that certian ISS members do abuse their position of neutrality to aid one side against another in conflicts. A smart precaution i suppose to just set them all to red rather then have to pick n choose which ISS to shoot. -The above views, opinions & comments are those of an idividual & not of the corporation or alliance they are a member of-
Devian 666	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:29:00 - [50] ISS claim neutrality but I do not regard supplying enemies with ships, mods, ammunition and jump clones to be neutral. You sell one alliance 15 dreads and give the intel to another alliance so that they buy 16. ISS are out to make money by profiting from the wars they help to create. Economic imbalance creates war and ISS profit from war. Don't believe the ISS propaganda that it is actually possible to be neutral in this game. In response to the claim that they're providing access to 0.0 for many players that might well be true, but if you actually go and talk to new pilots they don't enter low sec and 0.0 because of fear, not because of a lack of station access.

Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:29:00 - [51] Originally by: marcouk2 Originally by: Lunamariea Hawke "The most common time we saw ISS in ec was in haulers when we were camping the gate." Probably because ISS are mostly industrial corps. Originally by: Butter Dog Indeed ISS often camped the Torr/EC gate with D2/IRON before the standings change. Yeah haulers and barges make really good ships for camping. Actually, the Covetor has quite a high sensor resolution.. Couple of Sensor boosters and a 20k might do wonders for a JIP camp. 2 Sig amps in lows, woei! - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.10.17 02:31:00 - [52] Originally by: Devian 666 ISS claim neutrality but I do not regard supplying enemies with ships, mods, ammunition and jump clones to be neutral. You sell one alliance 15 dreads and give the intel to another alliance so that they buy 16. ISS are out to make money by profiting from the wars they help to create. Economic imbalance creates war and ISS profit from war. Don't believe the ISS propaganda that it is actually possible to be neutral in this game. In response to the claim that they're providing access to 0.0 for many players that might well be true, but if you actually go and talk to new pilots they don't enter low sec and 0.0 because of fear, not because of a lack of station access. Troll =/
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.17 03:00:00 - [53] Delicious Sweet Potato Pie Recipe To make a potato pie, you need: 4 large potatoes 2 cups sugar 1 stick butter 1 pinch cinnamon 1 pinch nutmeg 1 store-bought pie crust or your can just line a pan with vanilla wafers instead 1/2 cup milk Boil the potatoes until tender. When you stick a fork in them it should go in easy but you don't want them to fall apart. Let the potatoes cool and then peel them. Put the potatoes in a large mixing bowl and mash them thoroughly with a potatoe masher. Melt the butter and pour it and the other ingredients in the bowl of potatoes. Stir until well mixed. Whether you used a ready made pie crust or just cookies, pour the potatoes mixture into the crust. Put into an oven preheated to 375 degrees. Cook for about 35-40 minutes or until a toothpick inserted in the center comes out dry. Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Maverick McDougel Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.17 03:05:00 - [54] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: marcouk2 Originally by: Lunamariea Hawke "The most common time we saw ISS in ec was in haulers when we were camping the gate." Probably because ISS are mostly industrial corps. Originally by: Butter Dog Indeed ISS often camped the Torr/EC gate with D2/IRON before the standings change. Yeah haulers and barges make really good ships for camping. Actually, the Covetor has quite a high sensor resolution.. Couple of Sensor boosters and a 20k might do wonders for a JIP camp. 2 Sig amps in lows, woei! they do get a nice scan resolution plus they would be nasty with 5 fighters assigned to them for gate camps. hmmm givses me an idea for next time i get bored. on another note the hulk gets instalock for anything less than 25km but it is a little expensive to use for gate camps, though that does bring to mind a few of my corp members who would try it if they had the chance. support BattleClinic buy gtc's from BattleClinic
Altar Mei Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.10.17 03:06:00 - [55] Funny, perhaps ISS was that last bit of red in Risk for D2. Nap or die!
Azeroth Uluntil Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.17 03:48:00 - [56] Actually, it is quite possible to be neutral in this game. You have to live in empire though. 0.0 neutrality is and will always be a myth until everyone stops operating under NBSI policy, which I can say with absolute certainty, will never happen. Also note that this change of standings is due to member of ISS/ISSN working with entities hostile to D2 and IRON. The chat log that SorAlba posted makes him look like a moron while making the pilot in question look like he may be breaching protocol.
Azeroth Uluntil Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.17 03:49:00 - [57] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken Delicious Sweet Potato Pie Recipe To make a potato pie, you need: 4 large potatoes 2 cups sugar 1 stick butter 1 pinch cinnamon 1 pinch nutmeg 1 store-bought pie crust or your can just line a pan with vanilla wafers instead 1/2 cup milk Boil the potatoes until tender. When you stick a fork in them it should go in easy but you don't want them to fall apart. Let the potatoes cool and then peel them. Put the potatoes in a large mixing bowl and mash them thoroughly with a potatoe masher. Melt the butter and pour it and the other ingredients in the bowl of potatoes. Stir until well mixed. Whether you used a ready made pie crust or just cookies, pour the potatoes mixture into the crust. Put into an oven preheated to 375 degrees. Cook for about 35-40 minutes or until a toothpick inserted in the center comes out dry. Thanks FowlPlayChiken, I might actually try this later on tonight. :-) Looks like it might either turn out really well, or blow up in my face. :-) I hope for the latter tbh. :D
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.17 03:55:00 - [58] spreads hands BOOOOM Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Shaala Caldari Singularity Services	Posted - 2006.10.17 04:07:00 - [59] Edited by: Shaala on 17/10/2006 04:08:22 To me it seems clearly SoarAlba smacktalked the guy into podding him after being aggressed with words himself. Even though most of the chat was smacktalk from SoarAlba, it doesn¦t change the fact that the ISS guy was ready and willing to remove LV enemy presence from space and admitting a 'military support in exchange for space' deal between LV and ISS. The conflict will not end prior to all not neutral behaving corps being removed from ISS I guess. The only neutral corp in EVE is probably mine :P
JINX HSC Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 04:15:00 - [60] its about time soneone kicks ISS in the ASS... - KLADDKAKA - Trig read the rulez m8!!!



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