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Devian 666
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Posted - 2006.10.17 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Aeaus
Originally by: Devian 666 ISS claim neutrality but I do not regard supplying enemies with ships, mods, ammunition and jump clones to be neutral.
You sell one alliance 15 dreads and give the intel to another alliance so that they buy 16. ISS are out to make money by profiting from the wars they help to create.
Economic imbalance creates war and ISS profit from war. Don't believe the ISS propaganda that it is actually possible to be neutral in this game.
In response to the claim that they're providing access to 0.0 for many players that might well be true, but if you actually go and talk to new pilots they don't enter low sec and 0.0 because of fear, not because of a lack of station access.
Troll =/
No, I'm afraid I'm not trolling. Every ISS hauler shot down has contained weapons, ammo, ships or mods, ummm except that one with pos fuel. They continue to make money at the expense of their "friends". I don't like D2D but I support any military action against ISS.
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Dragerest
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.17 04:28:00 -
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and going into deep D2 space in shuttles servers what? and when asked about it the ISS guy goes "just taking a road trip" i for one am glad ISS is -10. killed and podded a few d2 and than say "opps sorry" well now ISS is -10....opps sorry. and yes ISS member have scouted out D2 fleets. i was in local for such a wonderful act. some merc corps will get money now, as one ISS guy said "we don't fight we'll get someone to do that for us." nice... so lets have some nice fights than ISS please bring something other than t1 ________________________________________________________ For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com |
Dragerest
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.17 04:29:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Devian 666
Originally by: Aeaus
Originally by: Devian 666 ISS claim neutrality but I do not regard supplying enemies with ships, mods, ammunition and jump clones to be neutral.
You sell one alliance 15 dreads and give the intel to another alliance so that they buy 16. ISS are out to make money by profiting from the wars they help to create.
Economic imbalance creates war and ISS profit from war. Don't believe the ISS propaganda that it is actually possible to be neutral in this game.
In response to the claim that they're providing access to 0.0 for many players that might well be true, but if you actually go and talk to new pilots they don't enter low sec and 0.0 because of fear, not because of a lack of station access.
Troll =/
No, I'm afraid I'm not trolling. Every ISS hauler shot down has contained weapons, ammo, ships or mods, ummm except that one with pos fuel. They continue to make money at the expense of their "friends". I don't like D2D but I support any military action against ISS.
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BiONetworks
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.17 04:29:00 -
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Well see you on the battlefield ISS, hope you brought the tinfoil hats
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Azeroth Uluntil
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.17 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: FowlPlayChiken *spreads hands* BOOOOM
It happened the last time I tried to cook anything. Ended up all over the walls and my face. Really wish I would've taken pictures...
Originally by: Dragerest and going into deep D2 space in shuttles servers what? and when asked about it the ISS guy goes "just taking a road trip" i for one am glad ISS is -10. killed and podded a few d2 and than say "opps sorry" well now ISS is -10....opps sorry. and yes ISS member have scouted out D2 fleets. i was in local for such a wonderful act. some merc corps will get money now, as one ISS guy said "we don't fight we'll get someone to do that for us." nice... so lets have some nice fights than ISS please bring something other than t1
*Points to Mercenary Coalition* Cmon! Hire em! HIRE EM :D
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Lavintol
Immortalis Silens Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.10.17 05:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lavintol on 17/10/2006 05:03:27 Heh, millitary support is not the only thing ISS provides LV from C3-.
As a former resident, I can definitivly(sp?) state, ISS charges any ISS corp operating there 15m isk per member per week to live there. And that money they claim, goes to LV. Last I checked, the ore gained as refining tax goes to LV as well. Thats on top of the monthly membership fees.
Conidering when I was there, that translated into a few bil a week going to LV...no telling what it is now.
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Liet Traep
Minmatar Black Lance Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.17 05:29:00 -
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I'm just a grunt so my understanding is limited. But I understand that ISS pilots have been scouting and warning hostile pilots. Seems to me that's reason enough to no longer consider them a neutral party.
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Torshin
Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.17 05:33:00 -
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No offense if you can't bring any more evidence to the table about scouting and all this crap stop posting about it. The corps that did the scouting and or members have already been kicked from ISS. Taking off the tin foil hat, if yall only KOS for the duration of the Southern campagin and complain about us being poor pvp targets and using T1 then stop patrolling PB in your gank squads and camping gates left and right. I think these small incedents are being blown outta proportion just so D2 has someone to kill to make their killboards look pretty. Krin - forget the rest. |
Taralesk Inshani
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.17 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Torshin No offense if you can't bring any more evidence to the table about scouting and all this crap stop posting about it
Hold on, let me gather a bunch of logs for your amusement. Hell, we're under no requirement to even justify it. I think your green grass chicken pond feathers in the deli barked too loud, -10!
Like that reason better?
Beyond that, I'm sure your lead has requested and received all relevant information - ask them.
Usual I don't rep lalala..
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Originally by: Ashen Brarn Oh, yeah, what are you gonna do? Release the dogs? Or the bees? Or the dogs with bees in their mouth and when they bark, they shoot bees at you?
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Feterous Jolin
Transcendency
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Posted - 2006.10.17 05:52:00 -
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It's really only a matter of time before someone tries to take one of the ISS outposts. One way or the other, good luck and happy hunting.
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Mar Drakar
LDK Process of Elimination
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Posted - 2006.10.17 06:05:00 -
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gee...
seems that northern nappers club got really bored and now they gonna shoot those ebil piwates... er iss...
why dont you sign a nap for a change... oh thats what you do daily.. er... then go sign a nap ? ... omg again...
for some reason I start to want give ISS a hand on this northern nappers club matter. -- Make your life worth dying. CEO LDK |
Niranen Einar
Loot
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Posted - 2006.10.17 06:15:00 -
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Can't say I'm dissapointed. The ISS crossed the line enough times, it's about time someome took the time to put them in their place.
Good hunting
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Death Merchant
InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.10.17 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mar Drakar gee...
seems that northern nappers club got really bored and now they gonna shoot those ebil piwates... er iss...
why dont you sign a nap for a change... oh thats what you do daily.. er... then go sign a nap ? ... omg again...
for some reason I start to want give ISS a hand on this northern nappers club matter.
You should do that. Couldn't hurt.
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.17 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mar Drakar why dont you sign a nap for a change... oh thats what you do daily.. er... then go sign a nap ? ... omg again...
Yawn dude. We're on a roadtrip down south. And I see no friggin blues anywhere. Just because we managed to clear out space for ourselves and our allies in one swoop doesn't mean we have more naps than anyone else.
Tell me what significant nap is new around the north from D2/IRON/RAWR/RZR/CDC perspective... We've all been napped for pretty much the whole year. All I hear is corps like yours whining because you can't get into the club because we are not looking at accepting willy nilly. And that makes you bitter and coming here whining about a napclub on forums lol.
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.10.17 06:37:00 -
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Edited by: Graalum on 17/10/2006 06:38:31
Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Mar Drakar why dont you sign a nap for a change... oh thats what you do daily.. er... then go sign a nap ? ... omg again...
Yawn dude. We're on a roadtrip down south. And I see no friggin blues anywhere. Just because we managed to clear out space for ourselves and our allies in one swoop doesn't mean we have more naps than anyone else.
Tell me what significant nap is new around the north from D2/IRON/RAWR/RZR/CDC perspective... We've all been napped for pretty much the whole year. All I hear is corps like yours whining because you can't get into the club because we are not looking at accepting willy nilly. And that makes you bitter and coming here whining about a napclub on forums lol.
Didn't pure move in to vale? Last i checked they were napped with at least cdc and most likely e-u.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.17 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0
*snip*
All I hear is corps like yours whining because you can't get into the club because we are not looking at accepting willy nilly. And that makes you bitter and coming here whining about a napclub on forums lol.
The first rule of NapClub is - you do not talk about NapClub. The second rule of NapClub is - you DO NOT talk about NapClub. Third rule of NapClub, someone gets podded, the fight is over. Fourth rule, only enough pilots to crash a node, to a fight. Fifth rule, one gank at a time, fellas. Sixth rule, no stabs, no logoffski. Seventh rule, fights will go on as long as they have to. And the eighth and final rule, if this is your first night at NapClub, you have to fight.
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Sypher313
VentureCorp CORE.
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Posted - 2006.10.17 07:45:00 -
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lol DIE ISS.
see you out there in some form or "other"
sounds like maybe some fun!
and ISS using the "NAP" weapon to slander Northern enities is kinda "Ironic" innit, how many NAPS ISS have? yeah ok riiiight, stop whining already.
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.17 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: BiONetworks Well see you on the battlefield ISS, hope you brought the tinfoil hats
Note : Tinfoil hats are available for sale in all BoB owned stations. Buy yours today ! ....
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Esaam DeVries
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.17 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh Note : Tinfoil hats are available for sale in all BoB owned stations. Buy yours today !
It's a trap !!! --
TRUST Shop : from T2 to Captital ship(yard)s. Shop smart, shop T-shop. |
Scarlet Pimpernel
Clan Eshin
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Posted - 2006.10.17 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: Scarlet Pimpernel on 17/10/2006 08:37:32 Whats great about this thread is we have lots of D2 and their lapdogs screaming 'ISS control your members' yet, until D2 command post some kind of official statement, its just as likely that these posters are also 'out of control'
Whats even better is that its pretty obvious from these posts that the entities that previously had ISS set to positive [have members that] dislike ISS/what ISS stand for etc etc for some time already so it comes as no surprise that, what seems to have started out as a [justified] standings change by D2 for operations in ths south has turn into a D2 & lapdog bandwagon for ganking ISS in the North
Would appear that ISS controling its members is just one small factor in this whole mess.
Makes you respect the pirates much more because at least their behaviour is consistent , just goes to show who you friends are[n't]/were[n't]
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.17 08:43:00 -
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Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 17/10/2006 08:45:40 so where is the problem here, we are having a trip down south, iss pilots report our camps, fleets and whatnot to the local alliances, while flying through the fleets without any danger, but with a big smile on there face. This ends now, and i dont think we are realy thinking about taking any iss station, yet. So everyone calm down, and lets njoy ourself on the server.
Quote: Makes you respect the pirates much more because at least their behaviour is consistent Laughing, just goes to show who you friends are[n't]/were[n't]
ISS wasnt too much of intrest, it became intresting as iss pilots started down south to give intel to hostile alliance, while they could have easily just flew through and njoy their neutral standing towards anyone.
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Devian 666
Snakes in a Pod
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Posted - 2006.10.17 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dragerest die alt
Meh.
It seems quite clear that ISS have a significant foothold in both the north and the south. I don't see how they can continue to claim to be neutral when they provide infrastructure to your enemies to support their ops in 0.0
That's not being neutral.
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Hani EQ
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.10.17 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: SaorAlba Keep in mind these two things and then read the original lokal chat log below of the so called "forced incident. 1. ISS officially say they claim no space. 2. We had ISS deep blue at the time of the incident. ---------------------------------------------------------------
Channel ID: (('solarsystemid2', 30002586),) Channel Name: Local Listener: SaorAlba Session started: 2006.10.15 07:37:26 ---------------------------------------------------------------
[ 2006.10.15 07:44:38 ] EVE System > Channel changed to 4OIV-X Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:45:49 ] EVE System > Channel changed to TM-0P2 Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:46:55 ] EVE System > Channel changed to N-CREL Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:48:44 ] EVE System > Channel changed to 3-UCBF Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:49:50 ] EVE System > Channel changed to 1-7KWU Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:51:01 ] EVE System > Channel changed to H-HWQR Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:52:14 ] EVE System > Channel changed to D-9UEV Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:53:18 ] EVE System > Channel changed to RH0-EG Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:54:31 ] EVE System > Channel changed to 4-P4FE Local Channel [ 2006.10.15 07:54:55 ] Kithaca > you are entering restricted territory. [ 2006.10.15 07:55:04 ] SaorAlba > **** of fool [ 2006.10.15 07:55:39 ] SaorAlba > there is no iss teritory and don't make me mad [ 2006.10.15 07:56:11 ] Kithaca > you have been warned, and are marked KoS. [ 2006.10.15 07:56:18 ] SaorAlba > hahah [ 2006.10.15 07:56:23 ] Kithaca > this is not ISS territoriy, this is LV territory. [ 2006.10.15 07:56:38 ] SaorAlba > you are iss [ 2006.10.15 07:56:53 ] SaorAlba > are you a lapdancer of lv? [ 2006.10.15 07:57:16 ] SaorAlba > keep out of allaince policy or it drag you in to it [ 2006.10.15 07:57:29 ] Kithaca > i don't make the policy. [ 2006.10.15 07:57:32 ] Kithaca > i enforce it. [ 2006.10.15 07:57:37 ] SaorAlba > why don't you come to the gate and pod me? [ 2006.10.15 07:57:37 ] Kithaca > last chance. get out. [ 2006.10.15 07:58:05 ] SaorAlba > 3l3n gate m6 [ 2006.10.15 07:58:21 ] SaorAlba > come over and do me a favour [ 2006.10.15 07:58:27 ] SaorAlba > morron [ 2006.10.15 07:59:40 ] SaorAlba > come on [ 2006.10.15 07:59:50 ] SaorAlba > check scanner see pod [ 2006.10.15 07:59:55 ] Kithaca > i'm boarding my ship, dont' get your panties in a knot. [ 2006.10.15 07:59:56 ] SaorAlba > kill pod [ 2006.10.15 08:00:06 ] SaorAlba > and do us all a favour [ 2006.10.15 08:00:53 ] SaorAlba > what's keepin you? [ 2006.10.15 08:01:05 ] SaorAlba > I ma still in restricted space [ 2006.10.15 08:01:10 ] SaorAlba > I refuse to go [ 2006.10.15 08:01:18 ] SaorAlba > now kill me [ 2006.10.15 08:01:37 ] SaorAlba > 3lcn [ 2006.10.15 08:02:24 ] SaorAlba > Anotherfool with a wide mouth and no balls [ 2006.10.15 08:02:56 ] Elisa Day > Is it your wish to die horribly? [ 2006.10.15 08:03:17 ] SaorAlba > do it m8 [ 2006.10.15 08:03:28 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Agil Local Channel ---------------------------------------------------------------
Judge for your self my audience. Does D2 not have every right to set ISS at -10?
From a Third Party point of view. I don't see how this convo assists you. The ISS guy RoS'd you in a profressional manner under the policies/orders he's working under.. You then continued to provokatively antagonise him until he responded in kind. I think you come out looking like a smarktard and him more of a professional enforcing his orders. So how does this show d2- has every right to set ISS to -10?
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.17 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: Butter Dog
... I'm biased because I like ISS and what they stand for. Its unique.
Who are you kidding, bitter dog. Why would you be in an ISS thread when there's a perfectly good BoB thread going? Maybe because , em, you are an ISS alt? Kind of bad deal for your mains allince ticking off D2.
It's nice to be all neutral when you can flame people from behind an alt. Too bad for ISS. Too bad one idiot can ruin it for the rest.
lol @ you
Seriously, you just have to look at my corp history to see I used to be in ISS. I like the people there, ISS management is mature and focused.
Any of the hundreds of people who have spoken with me on vent/ts will vouch that I am not an alt. Though I do have other characters, but BD is the main character on this account.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.17 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Liet Traep I'm just a grunt so my understanding is limited. But I understand that ISS pilots have been scouting and warning hostile pilots. Seems to me that's reason enough to no longer consider them a neutral party.
Well, anyone who speaks with ISS management will understand how genuine they are in their desire to be neutral. There is no plot, no conspiracy.
HOWEVER, and its a big 'however', because of the open nature of ISS, its pretty easy to get alt spies into the alliance. It is the actions of these few individuals on which you are judging the alliance. You are entitled to do this, but it is not ISS you are judging, it is alt spies.
You could argue they should change membership criterea to make it tougher for corps to join, but that would go against what ISS is all about - opening up underused areas of 0.0 like Pure Blind and Providence to new corps who otherwise would not have 0.0 access.
I guess you either believe in what ISS is trying to achieve, and respect them for being unique in this game, or you don't. If you don't, you'll look for a reason to justify shooting them, and it won't be hard to find because of all the paranoid consipiracy theories out there.
ISS are a 90% industrial alliance who will be no match for d2 and friends militarily, but if you want some easy ganks, I guess you're about to get them.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.17 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Feterous Jolin It's really only a matter of time before someone tries to take one of the ISS outposts. One way or the other, good luck and happy hunting.
None of them have any worth other than a neutral trade hub.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.17 10:03:00 -
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Kill em all d2. Let the god sort bitter dog's alts out.
Sig is not eve related
Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
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Mar Drakar
LDK Process of Elimination
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Posted - 2006.10.17 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Mar Drakar why dont you sign a nap for a change... oh thats what you do daily.. er... then go sign a nap ? ... omg again...
Yawn dude. We're on a roadtrip down south. And I see no friggin blues anywhere. Just because we managed to clear out space for ourselves and our allies in one swoop doesn't mean we have more naps than anyone else.
Tell me what significant nap is new around the north from D2/IRON/RAWR/RZR/CDC perspective... We've all been napped for pretty much the whole year. All I hear is corps like yours whining because you can't get into the club because we are not looking at accepting willy nilly. And that makes you bitter and coming here whining about a napclub on forums lol.
well afaik there was an invitation to join the napclub but screw that we said and we didn't. And who is bitter? not me for sure. Corps like me? name at least one corp like me who would WANT to join...
and insignificant nap you say? ... can we sign one? we just shoot ya up insignificantly and we can all be in one club
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Ricarda M
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.17 10:13:00 -
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*smack,smack* Please ensure your signature is 24,000 bytes or less - Udat http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4706/rickopie1ol.jpg
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.17 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ricarda M *smack,smack*
*generic questioning of credentials and inference of blame*
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