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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5298
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Posted - 2015.04.08 07:28:30 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Berrik Radhok wrote:My favorite grr goons player was tookar, because a) he had the balls to come do it personally and b) he only ever used T1 frigates (and still got kills). No doubt he was your favorite. He killed a few frigs, maybe an industrial now and then. A bit less than the trillions CFC lost to my wardecs and the increased activity of MoA and now -EH- coming from the SRP. You're my favourite. It's much nicer when someone else is paying your content to fly to you rather than you having to fly to it, and it all being done without losing anything important is always great. You always have to worry that someone will pay a competent group to attack you, but in this case we hit the jackpot and got MoA. That thing you do too, where you take stats, make up unrelated conclusions then pat yourself on the back, that's great for the comedic value as well. The only thing you're missing is the Harry Forever level of forum shiptoasting, so work on that buddy, k?
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Gericht
Delusions of Adequacy Get Off My Lawn
3
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Posted - 2015.04.08 16:07:17 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Berrik Radhok wrote:My favorite grr goons player was tookar, because a) he had the balls to come do it personally and b) he only ever used T1 frigates (and still got kills). No doubt he was your favorite. He killed a few frigs, maybe an industrial now and then. A bit less than the trillions CFC lost to my wardecs and the increased activity of MoA and now -EH- coming from the SRP.
Actually, once your wardecs stopped the cfc losses did not diminish in any way (its in your own graphs). That would suggest you might as well NOT have paid for those at all. In fact, your use of statistics and analysis should be used for anyone interested in how to NOT use statistics correctly/ |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
388
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Posted - 2015.04.09 04:49:56 -
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Who is winning, SMA or MoA? Posters say SMA. Numbers disagree.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5312
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Posted - 2015.04.09 10:00:50 -
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Really depends on how you define winning. We're being fed content with little to no risk of actually losing anything important and it's being paid for by someone who's so mad they spend every day of their real life posting up articles about how evil we are. And all while the vast majority of us continue to roll around in more than enough ISK to keep us occupied until the end of time.
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2344
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Posted - 2015.04.09 11:46:38 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:Berrik Radhok wrote:My favorite grr goons player was tookar, because a) he had the balls to come do it personally and b) he only ever used T1 frigates (and still got kills). No doubt he was your favorite. He killed a few frigs, maybe an industrial now and then. A bit less than the trillions CFC lost to my wardecs and the increased activity of MoA and now -EH- coming from the SRP.
Yeah, you caused so much damage that you forced the goons to pay out SRP+10%.
I bet that really hurt a few people.
You don't get this game. Go back to WOW where your gold cap is something people care about.
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Akballah Kassan
Zeura Brotherhood Mordus Angels
1
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Posted - 2015.04.09 11:57:15 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Really depends on how you define winning. We're being fed content . . . . . .
Well if content is being fed to you perhaps you should take it upon yourself to take advantage of it, because looking at your killboard you sure as hell haven't bothered so far.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5313
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Posted - 2015.04.09 13:01:22 -
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Akballah Kassan wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Really depends on how you define winning. We're being fed content . . . . . . Well if content is being fed to you perhaps you should take it upon yourself to take advantage of it, because looking at your killboard you sure as hell haven't bothered so far. Indeed, the only time this char (being primarily industrial/trading) takes to PvP is as logi, and that doesn't generate killmails. Luckily, some of us don't actually care where zkb ranks us.
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2691
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Posted - 2015.04.09 14:58:01 -
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Nyalnara wrote: Well, was wondering... Does rental money goes to line members wallet? Does moon goo? Well, no, it doesn't, as far as i know. Thus ratting is the only real ISK making activity they have. And as far as i remember, ratting losses are not replaced through SRP.
In a round about way yes. But only for the people who PVP. A fully fit sabre the way I fly them costs about ~75m. If I die in one I get 100M from alliance SRP which means I made 25m just for blowing up. I lost a 50m isk confessor the other day and made 50 mil off of it. Note to self: Buy another confessor.
This also assumes everything they killed was a ratter. It probably isn't the case. Any PVP ship losses incurred ******* about with MOA results in money being dumped directly onto the pilots head, generally this works out to at worst break even. |
Don Purple
Snuggle Society.
1165
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Posted - 2015.04.10 06:28:43 -
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will do spreadsheets for isk \o/ I warn you all my spreadsheets have purple graphs.. my boss gets confused.
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Antylus Tyrell
Uedama Artisan Jams
8
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Posted - 2015.04.10 06:42:44 -
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Don Purple wrote:will do spreadsheets for isk \o/ I warn you all my spreadsheets have purple graphs.. my boss gets confused.
Must need them to keep track of the alts you use to pad your KB |
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2803
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Posted - 2015.04.10 08:05:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Akballah Kassan wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Really depends on how you define winning. We're being fed content . . . . . . Well if content is being fed to you perhaps you should take it upon yourself to take advantage of it, because looking at your killboard you sure as hell haven't bothered so far. Indeed, the only time this char (being primarily industrial/trading) takes to PvP is as logi, and that doesn't generate killmails. Luckily, some of us don't actually care where zkb ranks us.
Depends , if your mostly talking about how awsome your Alliance is at pvp and how others suck bananas the point comes across better if you do it with a character who doesn't give the impression you yourself are nothing more then a leecher of said Alliance.A bit like saying your group is awsome and the others suck big time while in the same week your group lost a hell of a lot more versus that 'sucky group' while you also outnumbered them twice.
But then it's internet spaceships so even if your point is made or not , it's as relevant as to talk about what kind of turd you left at the toilet that morning.
Speaking of wich , i need to go to the toilet ...
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5315
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Posted - 2015.04.10 09:53:52 -
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flakeys wrote:Depends , if your mostly talking about how awsome your Alliance is at pvp and how others suck bananas the point comes across better if you do it with a character who doesn't give the impression you yourself are nothing more then a leecher of said Alliance.A bit like saying your group is awsome and the others suck big time while in the same week your group lost a hell of a lot more versus that 'sucky group' while you also outnumbered them twice. We're not though, are we? At no point have I stated how awesome my alliance is at PvP. What's being addressed here is this mysterious "winning at EVE" metric, which varies from player to player - as far as I'm concerned while I continue to roll around in a ludicrous amount of isk and am able to enjoy playing the game in any way I wish, I'm winning at EVE. This thread is here to insult and ridicule players who still continue to enjoy playing because they've lost some ships to PvP, and it's put up by a player who actively refuses to participate in PvP because he considers players who do that to be morons.
At the end of the day, we play the game for entertainment, and the creation and destruction of ships is a massive part of that. If someone else wants to pay for a group to generate more of that entertainment, great! Stretching graphs and bending stats to try to show it as anything more than raw content though is incredibly dumb. People know this, and rather than try to counter properly, or even just agreeing that this is all just content creation, the even weaker choice is made to attack an industrialists killboard stats, like that somehow renders the point moot.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2803
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Posted - 2015.04.10 10:18:48 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:flakeys wrote:Depends , if your mostly talking about how awsome your Alliance is at pvp and how others suck bananas the point comes across better if you do it with a character who doesn't give the impression you yourself are nothing more then a leecher of said Alliance.A bit like saying your group is awsome and the others suck big time while in the same week your group lost a hell of a lot more versus that 'sucky group' while you also outnumbered them twice. We're not though, are we? At no point have I stated how awesome my alliance is at PvP. What's being addressed here is this mysterious "winning at EVE" metric, which varies from player to player - as far as I'm concerned while I continue to roll around in a ludicrous amount of isk and am able to enjoy playing the game in any way I wish, I'm winning at EVE. This thread is here to insult and ridicule players who still continue to enjoy playing because they've lost some ships to PvP, and it's put up by a player who actively refuses to participate in PvP because he considers players who do that to be morons. At the end of the day, we play the game for entertainment, and the creation and destruction of ships is a massive part of that. If someone else wants to pay for a group to generate more of that entertainment, great! Stretching graphs and bending stats to try to show it as anything more than raw content though is incredibly dumb. People know this, and rather than try to counter properly, or even just agreeing that this is all just content creation, the even weaker choice is made to attack an industrialists killboard stats, like that somehow renders the point moot.
Yes you are :
d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe
That's your Alliance mate's words , yours are just how terrible MOA is.He btw also had the excuse of posting on a pve toon.
Would be fun to have someone from SMA who's kb actually shows some pvp ability would post.That is assuming you have anyone with that ....
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5315
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Posted - 2015.04.10 10:38:52 -
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flakeys wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:flakeys wrote:Depends , if your mostly talking about how awsome your Alliance is at pvp and how others suck bananas the point comes across better if you do it with a character who doesn't give the impression you yourself are nothing more then a leecher of said Alliance.A bit like saying your group is awsome and the others suck big time while in the same week your group lost a hell of a lot more versus that 'sucky group' while you also outnumbered them twice. We're not though, are we? At no point have I stated how awesome my alliance is at PvP. What's being addressed here is this mysterious "winning at EVE" metric, which varies from player to player - as far as I'm concerned while I continue to roll around in a ludicrous amount of isk and am able to enjoy playing the game in any way I wish, I'm winning at EVE. This thread is here to insult and ridicule players who still continue to enjoy playing because they've lost some ships to PvP, and it's put up by a player who actively refuses to participate in PvP because he considers players who do that to be morons. At the end of the day, we play the game for entertainment, and the creation and destruction of ships is a massive part of that. If someone else wants to pay for a group to generate more of that entertainment, great! Stretching graphs and bending stats to try to show it as anything more than raw content though is incredibly dumb. People know this, and rather than try to counter properly, or even just agreeing that this is all just content creation, the even weaker choice is made to attack an industrialists killboard stats, like that somehow renders the point moot. Yes you are : d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe That's your Alliance mate's words , yours are just how terrible MOA is.He btw also had the excuse of posting on a pve toon. How in any way is that me? Or do I have to be personally responsible for everything said by anyone in my alliance?
flakeys wrote:Would be fun to have someone from SMA who's kb actually shows some pvp ability would post.That is assuming you have anyone with that .... lol, so I take it from the tone you're quite biased in where you stand here. Quite honestly I don't care who posts, whether you feel they have PvP ability or not. MOA are constantly jumping up and down about how superior they are while they have to be propped up by donations, yet I should for some reason feel bad because nobody from my alliance with a kb that you like wants to post in a troll thread?
I stand by my original point. MOA provide entertaining content as I hope we do to them and that's as far as the interaction extends. If a third party wants to pay for that, great, but it doesn't mean anything beyond entertaining content.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2803
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Posted - 2015.04.10 10:52:19 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:flakeys wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:flakeys wrote:Depends , if your mostly talking about how awsome your Alliance is at pvp and how others suck bananas the point comes across better if you do it with a character who doesn't give the impression you yourself are nothing more then a leecher of said Alliance.A bit like saying your group is awsome and the others suck big time while in the same week your group lost a hell of a lot more versus that 'sucky group' while you also outnumbered them twice. We're not though, are we? At no point have I stated how awesome my alliance is at PvP. What's being addressed here is this mysterious "winning at EVE" metric, which varies from player to player - as far as I'm concerned while I continue to roll around in a ludicrous amount of isk and am able to enjoy playing the game in any way I wish, I'm winning at EVE. This thread is here to insult and ridicule players who still continue to enjoy playing because they've lost some ships to PvP, and it's put up by a player who actively refuses to participate in PvP because he considers players who do that to be morons. At the end of the day, we play the game for entertainment, and the creation and destruction of ships is a massive part of that. If someone else wants to pay for a group to generate more of that entertainment, great! Stretching graphs and bending stats to try to show it as anything more than raw content though is incredibly dumb. People know this, and rather than try to counter properly, or even just agreeing that this is all just content creation, the even weaker choice is made to attack an industrialists killboard stats, like that somehow renders the point moot. Yes you are : d0cTeR9 wrote:If you guys could read/hear the jokes about MOA LOL!
They are so bad at pvp, it's hilarious :) We like them, they provide easy kills (content) when we are bored lol
The best I have seen, is them hot dropping stealth bombers to try to kill a ratting battleship hehe That's your Alliance mate's words , yours are just how terrible MOA is.He btw also had the excuse of posting on a pve toon. How in any way is that me? Or do I have to be personally responsible for everything said by anyone in my alliance?
You said we
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2803
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Posted - 2015.04.10 10:58:02 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:flakeys wrote:Would be fun to have someone from SMA who's kb actually shows some pvp ability would post.That is assuming you have anyone with that .... lol, so I take it from the tone you're quite biased in where you stand here. Quite honestly I don't care who posts, whether you feel they have PvP ability or not. MOA are constantly jumping up and down about how superior they are while they have to be propped up by donations, yet I should for some reason feel bad because nobody from my alliance with a kb that you like wants to post in a troll thread? I stand by my original point. MOA provide entertaining content as I hope we do to them and that's as far as the interaction extends. If a third party wants to pay for that, great, but it doesn't mean anything beyond entertaining content.
I agree on the cfontent part and that in the end is the only thing that matters.Don't call me biased though , i have laughed and ridiculed gevlon enough times in this and other threads but why would i pass on ridiculing someone else who starts to show the same grandeure ?I gotta spend my time too eh , trolling is just one of many ways to do that.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5315
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Posted - 2015.04.10 11:00:03 -
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flakeys wrote:You said we Yes, "we". "We" as in those of us that were talking. You responded to a discussion between myself and Akballah Kassan about how he believe my opinion means nothing as my character has little activity on zkb and how I disagree and don't even remotely care about killboard stats. What "we" were talking about is that ever unattainable definition of winning at EVE.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5315
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Posted - 2015.04.10 11:04:35 -
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flakeys wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:flakeys wrote:Would be fun to have someone from SMA who's kb actually shows some pvp ability would post.That is assuming you have anyone with that .... lol, so I take it from the tone you're quite biased in where you stand here. Quite honestly I don't care who posts, whether you feel they have PvP ability or not. MOA are constantly jumping up and down about how superior they are while they have to be propped up by donations, yet I should for some reason feel bad because nobody from my alliance with a kb that you like wants to post in a troll thread? I stand by my original point. MOA provide entertaining content as I hope we do to them and that's as far as the interaction extends. If a third party wants to pay for that, great, but it doesn't mean anything beyond entertaining content. I agree on the cfontent part and that in the end is the only thing that matters.Don't call me biased though , i have laughed and ridiculed gevlon enough times in this and other threads but why would i pass on ridiculing someone else who starts to show the same grandeure ?I gotta spend my time too eh , trolling is just one of many ways to do that . Glad to hear it. If anything has come across as grandeur, I apologise, that was not intentional.
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Royally
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
9
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Posted - 2015.04.10 13:00:19 -
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To give them credit, if we are going the route of "efficiency" again, then SMA is the best opponent we're fighting, as our "efficiency" against them is only 70%.... GSF, FC and the likes are all worse. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
396
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Posted - 2015.04.11 14:48:17 -
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The Midget Ani (obviously a troll reference for The Mittani) donated 10B for the glorious cause! That's almost as much as my donation this month!
Follow this example people and the Evil will be cleansed from New Eden!
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Eyrun Mangeiri
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2015.04.11 16:27:06 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:The Midget Ani (obviously a troll reference for The Mittani) donated 10B for the glorious cause! That's almost as much as my donation this month! Follow this example people and the Evil will be cleansed from New Eden!
Wow, the first donation from someone else since September! The donation board is really a success. :)
I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song.
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Asmodia
SPECTRE Syndicate
13
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Posted - 2015.04.12 07:24:47 -
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Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:The Midget Ani (obviously a troll reference for The Mittani) donated 10B for the glorious cause! That's almost as much as my donation this month! Follow this example people and the Evil will be cleansed from New Eden! Wow, the first donation from someone else since September! The donation board is really a success. :) I donated also 50 Millions. All for your fun and entertainment. So be happen that people provide you with content and be more thankful.
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Eyrun Mangeiri
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2015.04.12 07:50:06 -
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I'm sure that MoA would try to kill me even if there were no donations at all. Also, I've yet to come in contact with them besides that one time some of them were crying in local about CFC blobbing.
I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
8486
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Posted - 2015.04.12 08:39:48 -
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Big Lynx wrote:What would gevlin do without Goons? Back to WoW?
Be institutionalized, I reckon?
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Sykaotic
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2015.04.12 17:00:08 -
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Alpheias wrote:Big Lynx wrote:What would gevlin do without Goons? Back to WoW? Be institutionalized, I reckon?
That would make him one of the cute lil bees that already play wow lmao
My guess to the question is he could rarely log in and be a d.j. lol.
In the meantime, the dude is atleast providing content to the line members (unless you count the 4 dudes in the wormhole).
GL and watch out for the pesticide trucks.
Enough with the petty games.... declare civil war already
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Catalytic morphisis
Freelance Asset Relocation Team
114
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Posted - 2015.04.13 14:34:41 -
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Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:Gevlon Goblin wrote:The Midget Ani (obviously a troll reference for The Mittani) donated 10B for the glorious cause! That's almost as much as my donation this month! Follow this example people and the Evil will be cleansed from New Eden! Wow, the first donation from someone else since September! The donation board is really a success. :)
and whats betting its the Mittani on an Alt just to give gevlon the sense of achievement
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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
396
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Posted - 2015.04.13 19:58:21 -
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The 1 day old character YuhuAlosMOA OverlodeaPri (obviously as a representative of its corp Yuhu al Medio - Overlodea Primo) donated 8B.
Many on the donation board are from MoA. They help their mates who hate PvE and spend all their time killing CFC. Would you donate the proceeds of a few days of ratting for the SRP fund of your own alliance? Or would you just line up for SRP? This is why MoA and similar "NPC trash" will win: their members are volunteers, donating their time and sometimes their ISK, while the CFC members are quasi-renters: they are in for the ratting rights and the risk-free killmails (they don't risk their ships, as it's SRP-ed).
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Catalytic morphisis
Freelance Asset Relocation Team
115
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Posted - 2015.04.14 07:32:39 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:The 1 day old character YuhuAlosMOA OverlodeaPri (obviously as a representative of its corp Yuhu al Medio - Overlodea Primo) donated 8B.
Many on the donation board are from MoA. They help their mates who hate PvE and spend all their time killing CFC. Would you donate the proceeds of a few days of ratting for the SRP fund of your own alliance? Or would you just line up for SRP? This is why MoA and similar "NPC trash" will win: their members are volunteers, donating their time and sometimes their ISK, while the CFC members are quasi-renters: they are in for the ratting rights and the risk-free killmails (they don't risk their ships, as it's SRP-ed). CFC Members don't need to fund their own SRP due to alliance tax and Passive Moon goo ISK thats made, And they have pretty much the best SRP going, which can be afforded indefinitely, so I doubt MoA win in terms of SRP
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2695
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Posted - 2015.04.14 22:08:30 -
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The problem ultimately is that this scheme is touted as a method to "Beat Goons", the problem is the stuff MOA does is pretty much inconsequential to the greater ID of your average Goonswarm/CFC pilot. It's not beating us, and the closest it comes to generating actual tears is those of us interested in the sociological aspects of eve making hurfy effortposts on the evo forums.
It basically boils down to the same problem that most of our space enemies run into when they face us, they are playing a spaceship simulator where each fight matters and goals are decided to the explosions of spaceships, and all other considerations either be damned or are completely inconsequential. Nothing could be further from the case. You can't really can't chalk up a win in eve online by blowing up a spaceship, because we exist in a realm of nearly infinite resource that spaceship can often be replaced, oftentimes within moments of it blowing up. You want to chalk up a win? You have to beat the player. Not his ship.
This takes a completely different mindset than that offered by most of what we call "Elite PVP" operations. I'll include MOA on that list, just for giggles. They are all about killboard efficiency and removing a ship from a grid, which puts a minor stress on an individual pilot, but that's all. It's short lived. It barely even has an effect on regional stats. What is more deadly to morale, the occasional dead ratting ship? Or the feeling that your fate is entirely out of your hands, and that your own space is inherently unsafe? General malaise wins every time when combating a player organization.
Wake me up when you've managed to cut the daily rats killed tally in deklein by 50%. That would have a far greater effect on linemember Morale than the occasional dead Ishtar. I know how to do this, and I could do it with about 12 motivated guys and some alts. The fact that no one else is clever enough to figure it out honestly worries me sometime. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
396
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Posted - 2015.04.15 15:39:43 -
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You make the mistake of generalizing your experience instead of gathering proper data. The CFC loses about 3T/month. If we assume 30K active accounts in the CFC that means 100M loss for each. Which is indeed irrelevant for anyone who are like you. From this you make the assumption that it's irrelevant for everyone. Hint: just because your kitchen locker has more cake than you can eat, it's not surely a good idea to reply "let them eat cake" to people who whine about being hungry.
There are 3 observable facts that hint that it's not the case: - Deklein has more ratting than any other region in nullsec. Which means line Goons rat. Do you rat? Because I sure don't and laugh on anyone who presses buttons for pitiful 50M/hour income. - The 100M/month/account losses include ratting and hauler losses, so PvP losses must be lower. Yet people don't laugh off those losses (as you or I would), but ask for SRP. I doubt if the CFC leadership bothers with the paperwork just for fun. They realized that these "irrelevant" payouts increase fleet participation. - Recently I see CFC fighting in Harpies. I guess this is my punishment from BoB for calling Drakes cheap.
My point is that - unlike you - the average CFC line pilot is poor as dirt. Therefore blowing his non-SRP ratting, mining or hauling ship will inflict significant loss to him, something he can only replace by endless hours of shooting red crosses. Inflict enough losses on him and he leaves CFC or the game.
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